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Posted: 2/20/2019 6:32:14 PM EDT
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We really haven't developed at all since the Magna Charta. The main motivation 800 years ago was excessive fines by the king and his stooges.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 6:33:25 PM EDT
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Well I agree with her on this. https://www.stripes.com/news/us/supreme-court-limits-power-of-states-and-localities-to-impose-fines-seize-property-1.569409 “WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Wednesday that the Constitution's prohibition on excessive fines applies to state and local governments, limiting their abilities to impose financial penalties and seize property. The decision delighted critics of civil asset forfeiture, who welcomed it as a new weapon in their war against what's been labeled "policing for profit" - the practice of seizing cash, cars and other property from those convicted, or even suspected, of committing a crime. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, on her second day back on the bench after undergoing cancer surgery in December, announced the court's decision, saying the Eighth Amendment's Excessive Fines Clause protects against government retribution at all levels. "For good reason, the protection against excessive fines has been a constant shield throughout Anglo-American history: Exorbitant tolls undermine other constitutional liberties," Ginsburg wrote. "Excessive fines can be used, for example, to retaliate against or chill the speech of political enemies. . . . Even absent a political motive, Repeal the NFA. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 6:36:40 PM EDT
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Did the notorious RGB just smoke the fuck outta the NYC permit system? Cause I think she did.
It's like she really did die and was possessed by her friend Antonin |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 6:53:58 PM EDT
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Did the notorious RGB just smoke the fuck outta the NYC permit system? Cause I think she did.
It's like she really did die and was possessed by her friend Antonin |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 6:58:09 PM EDT
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You mean her clerks and handlers got it right.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 6:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For real. Is she going to go all 87D chess on us and start ruling for the constitution? And we will be praying that SHE STAYS ON the SC?!!!! She's not stupid, she has always had her agenda. This case doesn't really offend her agenda, and in some ways helps it slightly. Remember, she's not a neo-lib. Ruling FOR civil asset forfeiture would go against her beliefs even if there wasn't a constitutional issue in play. Either way, I agree with her on this one. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:01:15 PM EDT
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For real. Is she going to go all 87D chess on us and start ruling for the constitution? And we will be praying that SHE STAYS ON the SC?!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did the notorious RGB just smoke the fuck outta the NYC permit system? Cause I think she did.
It's like she really did die and was possessed by her friend Antonin
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:01:56 PM EDT
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We really haven't developed at all since the Magna Charta. The main motivation 800 years ago was excessive fines by the king and his stooges. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:02:08 PM EDT
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Third thread on this.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:26:22 PM EDT
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And THAT is exactly why the Constitution is NOT a living document. The constitution is about governing people and people have not changed. Until the human brain evolves and somehow becomes incapable of greed, violence, and malice the consitution does not need to be, and should NOT be, a living document. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We really haven't developed at all since the Magna Charta. The main motivation 800 years ago was excessive fines by the king and his stooges. Unfortunately we have let our elected officials circumvent, twist, and redefine the Constitution using unconstitutional means for the last 100 years or so give or take a century. It is nobodies fault but our own. As we speak they continue to infringe on the constitution and we do nothing to stop them. Our founders faught a revolution for far less. We are, as a people, spineless and lack the intestinal fortitude to stand against it. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:27:28 PM EDT
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Impossible, the brainiacs here said she has been dead for months now.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:35:23 PM EDT
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I called it first in the Pet Semetary thread. She died, was buried in the Pet Semetary, she came back but is now a constitutional conservative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did the notorious RGB just smoke the fuck outta the NYC permit system? Cause I think she did.
It's like she really did die and was possessed by her friend Antonin |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:42:35 PM EDT
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TIL that 5-4 SCOTUS decisions are in the minority (19%) of cases, and 9-0 unanimous decisions are the majority (36%).
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:42:48 PM EDT
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hmm some veryyyy interesting lines in the ruling about rights being incorporated vs states.....
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I couldn't agree more. Repeal the NFA. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:46:51 PM EDT
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Huh, she was right.
Die already, cunt. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:47:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It IS a living document. See the article V process. Unfortunately we have let our elected officials circumvent, twist, and redefine the Constitution using unconstitutional means for the last 100 years or so give or take a century. It is nobodies fault but our own. As we speak they continue to infringe on the constitution and we do nothing to stop them. Our founders faught a revolution for far less. We are, as a people, spineless and lack the intestinal fortitude to stand against it. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:49:00 PM EDT
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You mean her clerks and handlers got it right. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:51:41 PM EDT
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The embarassing 2nd always gets their jimmies rustled no matter rights.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:05:32 PM EDT
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Her reasoning was flawed but the ruling was right. Thomas's and Gorsuch's concurrence should have made the majority opinion. Fyi, Gorsuch cited to Thomas's concurrence in McDonald.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 8:35:16 PM EDT
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I concur with the decision.
And since it was a 9-0 decision, its not just a good idea - its the law.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 9:39:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I couldn't agree more. Repeal the NFA. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 10:50:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. When the $200 tax Stamp was imposed in 1934, it was quite a large amount, equivalent to $3,746 in our day. I would expect the next Democrat |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 10:53:56 PM EDT
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 Police 3 pages and on page one
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Breaking-Supreme-court-throws-out-Indiana-s-excessive-civil-asset-seizure/5-2195989/ |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 10:56:47 PM EDT
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Impossible, the brainiacs here said she has been dead for months now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:23:20 AM EDT
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Impossible, the brainiacs here said she has been dead for months now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:27:34 AM EDT
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This ruling only applies to drug dealers.
Gun owners will NOT be extended the same courtesies. 5-4 with Roberts joining the communist caucus IF they ever bring up a case which I doubt. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:28:01 AM EDT
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How it was not considered confiscatory I’ll never know. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:31:47 AM EDT
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The purpose of the timing is to close off the avenue of siezures being used to fund a border wall
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:31:56 AM EDT
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Constitution is about limiting government Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It IS a living document. See the article V process. Unfortunately we have let our elected officials circumvent, twist, and redefine the Constitution using unconstitutional means for the last 100 years or so give or take a century. It is nobodies fault but our own. As we speak they continue to infringe on the constitution and we do nothing to stop them. Our founders faught a revolution for far less. We are, as a people, spineless and lack the intestinal fortitude to stand against it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:37:39 AM EDT
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Wow.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:45:48 AM EDT
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The purpose of the timing is to close off the avenue of siezures being used to fund a border wall |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:48:41 AM EDT
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You mean her clerks and handlers got it right. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:48:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hadn't thought of that angle. But it being a heroin dealer, yeah, that makes sense. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:50:36 AM EDT
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Nothing happens by accident with these people. The offered justification is never the real reason Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hadn't thought of that angle. But it being a heroin dealer, yeah, that makes sense. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:51:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hadn't thought of that angle. But it being a heroin dealer, yeah, that makes sense. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:52:30 AM EDT
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Nothing happens by accident with these people. The offered justification is never the real reason Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Hadn't thought of that angle. But it being a heroin dealer, yeah, that makes sense. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:53:43 AM EDT
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I think there is a legal difference between “ill gotten gains” and a government fine. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:55:45 AM EDT
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It's still the correct ruling, however. it's useful to understand the reason though. That way, you're not blindsided by inconsistency when they go a different direction for political convenience in the future |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:56:12 AM EDT
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She’s right ordered but not correct
See Thomas’ argument below the RBG authored opinion |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:56:22 AM EDT
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That's possible..but these opinions were likely written a while ago. Plus the citing of previous 2A related cases can't be a coincidence. I think this is pointed directly at the NYC case. If I was red Billy I wouldn't be feeling confident. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:56:26 AM EDT
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I'm not a purist. I'm fine with someone doing the right thing for the wrong reason. it's useful to understand the reason though. That way, you're not blindsided by inconsistency when they go a different direction for political convenience in the future |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:58:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: which is why gun owners getting excited over this is fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:02:27 AM EDT
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I wish people on our side understood that commies are gonna commie and the implications of same Quote HistoryQuoted:
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which is why gun owners getting excited over this is fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:05:21 AM EDT
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I wish people on our side understood that commies are gonna commie and the implications of same Lets pretend for a moment that there is an active group of people seeking to destroy the constitution and the american form of government in the pursuit of a one world government and globalist agenda. Lets pretend they have control of the courts, the federal bureaucracy, the media, the culture and the richest people in the world. Lets also pretend that you have a bunch of bad ass internet cowboys who have a III% patch on their helmet at home with PVS-15s. So do we maintain the facade and our comfortable way of life that this is simply a disagreement on interpretation? And trust to the courts and the FBI and the Media to do the right thing? Just ignorance on their part, right? Or do we maintain our self-image of guardians of the constitution and get arrested, or shot, or fired and ruin our lives (and, more to the point, our families' lives) in some quixote-esque blaze of short lived (and most likely mocked) resistance? RBG was lead council for the ACLU, an organization dedicated to the destruction of the US Constitution in support of global communism. She doesn't give a fuck about the 8th or any other amendment. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:06:56 AM EDT
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We are long past the time when I've trusted the federal or state government(s) to do anything right for the right reasons. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:08:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:12:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its important to maintain the fiction. Lets pretend for a moment that there is an active group of people seeking to destroy the constitution and the american form of government in the pursuit of a one world government and globalist agenda. Lets pretend they have control of the courts, the federal bureaucracy, the media, the culture and the richest people in the world. Lets also pretend that you have a bunch of bad ass internet cowboys who have a III% patch on their helmet at home with PVS-15s. So do we maintain the facade and our comfortable way of life that this is simply a disagreement on interpretation? And trust to the courts and the FBI and the Media to do the right thing? Just ignorance on their part, right? Or do we maintain our self-image of guardians of the constitution and get arrested, or shot, or fired and ruin our lives (and, more to the point, our families' lives) in some quixote-esque blaze of short lived (and most likely mocked) resistance? RBG was lead council for the ACLU, an organization dedicated to the destruction of the US Constitution in support of global communism. She doesn't give a fuck about the 8th or any other amendment. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:15:33 AM EDT
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TIL that 5-4 SCOTUS decisions are in the minority (19%) of cases, and 9-0 unanimous decisions are the majority (36%). |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 10:15:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: which is why gun owners getting excited over this is fucking retarded. I still think its significant that the conservative judges cited previous 2a cases...at the same time they granted cert to a 2a case. They've been pretending they never happened for a decade. |
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