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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:37:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:44:22 AM EDT
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I don’t live in NY = Don’t care.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:45:03 AM EDT
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As a former NYer who has benefitted from target sports' efforts, I'd have the opposite viewpoint. They did all they could for as long as they could, almost 10 years longer than midwayusa and cheaper than dirt who stopped shipping ammo to NY after the 2013 safe act that required ammo background checks, but couldn't happen because there was no system in place.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:46:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't live in NY = Don't care. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:48:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t live in NY = Don’t care. Yea I get it. How many of the ‘R’s in NY are actually fighting against this stuff… likely not much. The thing that sticks in my crawl is the retailers that won’t sell to residents but will sell to law enforcement. Fuck all that shit. I’ll not spend another dime with Target Sports. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:50:31 AM EDT
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Yeah it would be one thing if they were only shipping to FFLs in NY. But treating LEOs differently is nonsense.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:50:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a former NYer who has benefitted from target sports' efforts, I'd have the opposite viewpoint. They did all they could for as long as they could, almost 10 years longer than midwayusa and cheaper than dirt who stopped shipping ammo to NY after the 2013 safe act that required ammo background checks, but couldn't happen because there was no system in place. And I’m with you on that… right up until they continue to sell to LE in the state. Fuck TS. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:50:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t live in NY = Don’t care. Thanks for the words of support, brother. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:51:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:53:06 AM EDT
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I think they have to fill a form out in NY to buy ammo including occupation
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:53:40 AM EDT
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Good. Elections have consequences.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:54:18 AM EDT
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There is no exemption for LEOs in their private capacity under the NY law.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:57:56 AM EDT
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Is you demanding they sell to you at their risk and expense not the equivalent of “bake that cake?”
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:58:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt really is a liberal shit hole. I don’t blame companies for not selling guns and ammo to people in NY. Especially after the AG has sued several of them recently. It’s just not a good idea to do business there. But companies that cease civilian sales and continue sales to the kings men are the lowest of low. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 9:59:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no exemption for LEOs in their private capacity under the NY law. They shouldn’t sell to LEO’s In their public or private capacity. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:01:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coming to a cornfield near you soon.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't live in NY = Don't care. You better care, coming to your state soon. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:05:36 AM EDT
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Elections have consequences.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:06:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I'm with you on that right up until they continue to sell to LE in the state. Fuck TS. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:07:30 AM EDT
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TS was awesome throughout the entire SAFE ACT bullshit, Great company.
It pisses me off that NY put provisions in the laws that allow LE to obtain "Non-Compliant" AR15's and have ammo shipped directly to them. That's not TS fault. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:09:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elections have consequences. A lot more people outside of NYS are going to learn how true that is in the coming years. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:11:15 AM EDT
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Wait until they get the Sportsmens Guide logic and stop selling to states adjacent to NY.
  Sportsmen's Guide's legal department sucks ass at geography so badly I stopped doing business with them.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:12:38 AM EDT
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The Bill of Rights is not optional to be voted upon despite what the socialist democrats want you to think.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:17:02 AM EDT
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Target Sports was one of the few companies that kept selling to NY individuals after the Safe Act ammo restrictions went into effect in 2013 or 14 and kept it up until they got threatened after the latest new laws.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:18:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elections have consequences.  |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:18:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the year before I left, I was dumbfounded to see a LEO at the local uspsa competition sporting an SBR PCC with a suppressor on a personally owned gun. 2 things that are extremely alien to anyone living in NY. I'm an extremely calm and collected kind of guy in person and I literally started yelling WTF so everyone else could hear, just to try and bring attention to the police being a higher class of citizen in NY. I didn't see him at the competitions after that. Cops have a significantly higher rate of domestic violence than concealed carry license holders and now they were able to get NFA items while everyone else couldn't. Still grinds my gears to this day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And I'm with you on that right up until they continue to sell to LE in the state. Fuck TS. Incredible, but not surprising  We Americans are indoctrinated at an early age to hold LE up on a pedestal as heroes and great protectors. Never forget it’s in the governments best interested to make sure their law enforcers are viewed as such. It’s what keeps .gov relevant. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:20:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Elections have consequences. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TS was awesome throughout the entire SAFE ACT bullshit, Great company. It pisses me off that NY put provisions in the laws that allow LE to obtain "Non-Compliant" AR15's and have ammo shipped directly to them. That's not TS fault. Nope not their fault at all. But at some point you have to do what is morally correct. Continuing to sell to LE in NY state while they are unable to sell to residents is shitty. Fuck target sports. Barrett has their head on their shoulders for example. https://barrett.net/purchase/le-and-military-usa/ From the link “Barrett will not sell to or service any California, New York or New Jersey government agencies.” |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:23:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Target Sports was one of the few companies that kept selling to NY individuals after the Safe Act ammo restrictions went into effect in 2013 or 14 and kept it up until they got threatened after the latest new laws. Good for them…. And they continue to sell to LE in the state. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:24:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Bill of Rights is not optional to be voted upon despite what the socialist democrats want you to think. That's true, but that's not the problem. If democrats can stick up their middle finger at the Bill of Rights while wagging their peckers at the SCOTUS, all utterly without consequence, it doesn't matter what protections are in place to secure our rights. Without teeth, even the largest of the lions will die quickly. If the socialists can ignore Heller and Bruen that easily, neither ruling is worth the paper it's written on. The democrats know they have to take away the population's gun rights. By hook or by crook, it's gotta happen for The Agenda to be able to move on to the next phase. It may turn out to be easier than anyone thought possible. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:27:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for them . And they continue to sell to LE in the state. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Target Sports was one of the few companies that kept selling to NY individuals after the Safe Act ammo restrictions went into effect in 2013 or 14 and kept it up until they got threatened after the latest new laws. Good for them . And they continue to sell to LE in the state. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:31:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They took a risk when no one else did. I really can't get worked up over this. NY has gotten so bad I know police who are afraid of the police. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Target Sports was one of the few companies that kept selling to NY individuals after the Safe Act ammo restrictions went into effect in 2013 or 14 and kept it up until they got threatened after the latest new laws. Good for them . And they continue to sell to LE in the state. It would appear they were chasing profits and weren’t doing it based on principal or convictions. As long as they continue to sell to LE in NY, I’ll not be doing business with them. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:35:53 AM EDT
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The wife's side of the family is from the Rochester area. Mostly Spencerport. When we go to visit, I am invariably asked by neighbors and friends of the in laws how it is living in Tenn. I tell them it's fantastic. Lower propert taxes. Buy whatever firearms and accessories we want.
I will always get asked about how buying such and such firearm makes it so great. I tell them suppressors and mg's. They look at me like I transformed into a multi headed Hydra. I ask them who they voted for governor . This was back when Cuomo was King. 9 times out of 10, they say Cuomo. I tell them they got the government they voted for. Deal with it. The sister in law and her husband think Cuomo was the end all-be all of governors. He could do no wrong in their eyes. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:35:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope not their fault at all. But at some point you have to do what is morally correct. Continuing to sell to LE in NY state while they are unable to sell to residents is shitty. Fuck target sports. Barrett has their head on their shoulders for example. https://barrett.net/purchase/le-and-military-usa/ From the link “Barrett will not sell to or service any California, New York or New Jersey government agencies.” Jokes on you. Lots of Barrett’s in those states. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:36:59 AM EDT
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Politicians pass unconstitutional laws and the rubes are angry at the police who are gonna be armed anyways. Genius.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:39:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jokes on you. Lots of Barrett’s in those states. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope not their fault at all. But at some point you have to do what is morally correct. Continuing to sell to LE in NY state while they are unable to sell to residents is shitty. Fuck target sports. Barrett has their head on their shoulders for example. https://barrett.net/purchase/le-and-military-usa/ From the link “Barrett will not sell to or service any California, New York or New Jersey government agencies.” Jokes on you. Lots of Barrett’s in those states.  That were sold to them before Barrett ceased sales to those states. Barrett no longer sells their firearms to those states, nor will they service those firearms that were sold before they ceased sales to those states.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:40:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That were sold to them before Barrett ceased sales to those states. Barrett no longer sells their firearms to those states, nor will they service those firearms that were sold before they ceased sales to those states.Nope. You think the only way to obtain a gun is direct from manufacturer? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:41:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Politicians pass unconstitutional laws and the rubes are angry at the police who are gonna be armed anyways. Genius. Not angry at the kings men. Companies that won’t sell to civilians yet continue to sell to the kings men in the state are the issue. How is that so hard for you to understand? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:41:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You better care, coming to your state soon. Next year is probably gonna suck. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:41:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryFunny how so many think that they are safe until they are not |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:43:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. You think the only way to obtain a gun is direct from manufacturer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That were sold to them before Barrett ceased sales to those states. Barrett no longer sells their firearms to those states, nor will they service those firearms that were sold before they ceased sales to those states.Nope. You think the only way to obtain a gun is direct from manufacturer? Of course they can buy from distributors. Barrett isn’t selling them shit directly. Nor are they servicing their firearms. I’d love to see the kings men of NY or CA send a rifle back to Barrett directly for service or warranty work. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:45:34 AM EDT
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how does NYS have a say on how out of state retailers sell their legal products? the transaction isn't happening in NYS. it's no different that someone from NYS walking into a store in another state, buying ammo, then driving home to NYS with it
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the year before I left, I was dumbfounded to see a LEO at the local uspsa competition sporting an SBR PCC with a suppressor on a personally owned gun. 2 things that are extremely alien to anyone living in NY. I'm an extremely calm and collected kind of guy in person and I literally started yelling WTF so everyone else could hear, just to try and bring attention to the police being a higher class of citizen in NY. I didn't see him at the competitions after that. Cops have a significantly higher rate of domestic violence than concealed carry license holders and now they were able to get NFA items while everyone else couldn't. Still grinds my gears to this day. Animal Farm explains the phenomenon pretty clearly |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:47:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jokes on you. Lots of Barrett's in those states. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:48:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how does NYS have a say on how out of state retailers sell their legal products? the transaction isn't happening in NYS. it's no different that someone from NYS walking into a store in another state, buying ammo, then driving home to NYS with it Ask Rainier Arms or any number of other online retailers that the NY AG has sued for selling firearm related shit to NY residents. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:48:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t live in NY = Don’t care. You should care. Cancer spreads. No place is immune. You may think you live in a free state, but eventually that free state won't be part of a free country. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:49:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem pretty happy about that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jokes on you. Lots of Barrett's in those states. He’s obviously LE in one of those states. I don’t need another warning from top cop so I’ll stop there 
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:54:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not angry at the kings men. Companies that won’t sell to civilians yet continue to sell to the kings men in the state are the issue. How is that so hard for you to understand? "King's men". Eye roll. The police will always be armed and should be armed. To devote your energies to that is misdirection. It's literally a futile effort and does nothing towards expanding 2A civil rights. You see NOLO wasting a lot of time litigating with state governments to remove the ability of police to buy ammo, pistols or rifles? Any of those major landmark SCOTUS 2A cases have anything to do with police? Why aren't you spitting on soldiers and marines because they are allowed to shoot machine guns and you aren't? I totally get the anger and completely agree with the inequity of it. But the focus is wrong and doesn't help expand the rights of everyone by constricting the rights of a few. The police should have standard capacity magazines, be able to have ammo shipped to their door, own suppressors, own rifles. So should EVERYONE. So let's work together and do whatever we can to make that happen. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:54:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. You think the only way to obtain a gun is direct from manufacturer? There is always a get around. If LE wants it bad enough, they will get it from a distributor at LE pricing. We had an 82A1 sitting in the Barrett vault for a while that was confiscated by the LAPD. They sent it in as it was in rough condition. I made up and submitted the repair order to the purchasing department at the LAPD for the cost of updating and repairing the rifle. Then the ban on .50's started. Ronnie had me pack it up and ship it back. That is when the SOP started about not selling or servicing to restrictive states, local agencies. Sales went through the roof to civilians after that. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:56:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem pretty happy about that Indifferent. As I explain above. It's a fools errand to think you are going to stop the government from arming itself. Of course you can look at examples in western Europe and Canada where the police do not have special license to own weapons. The citizens have even less license. So if you want to live like that then I guess that is your prerogative. If everyone is sitting in shit except for a few then you can figure out how to get out of the shit or you can pull the few down into the shit with you and then everyone sits in the shit. I personally don't like sitting in shit. The good news is we have a BoRs which says we don't have to sit in shit, and after Bruen, I think there is a real chance. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 10:58:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "King's men". Eye roll. The police will always be armed and should be armed. To devote your energies to that is misdirection. It's literally a futile effort and does nothing towards expanding 2A civil rights. You see NOLO wasting a lot of time litigating with state governments to remove the ability of police to buy ammo, pistols or rifles? Any of those major landmark SCOTUS 2A cases have anything to do with police? Why aren't you spitting on soldiers and marines because they are allowed to shoot machine guns and you aren't? I totally get the anger and completely agree with the inequity of it. But the focus is wrong and doesn't help expand the rights of everyone by constricting the rights of a few. The police should have standard capacity magazines, be able to have ammo shipped to their door, own suppressors, own rifles. So should EVERYONE. So let's work together and do whatever we can to make that happen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not angry at the kings men. Companies that won’t sell to civilians yet continue to sell to the kings men in the state are the issue. How is that so hard for you to understand? "King's men". Eye roll. The police will always be armed and should be armed. To devote your energies to that is misdirection. It's literally a futile effort and does nothing towards expanding 2A civil rights. You see NOLO wasting a lot of time litigating with state governments to remove the ability of police to buy ammo, pistols or rifles? Any of those major landmark SCOTUS 2A cases have anything to do with police? Why aren't you spitting on soldiers and marines because they are allowed to shoot machine guns and you aren't? I totally get the anger and completely agree with the inequity of it. But the focus is wrong and doesn't help expand the rights of everyone by constricting the rights of a few. The police should have standard capacity magazines, be able to have ammo shipped to their door, own suppressors, own rifles. So should EVERYONE. So let's work together and do whatever we can to make that happen. This is really simple. If a company isn’t allowed to sell firearms or ammunition to residents in a state. I’m of the belief that companies should not sell to the kings men in said state. Some companies have adopted these policies (Barrett for example). If the civilians can’t have the shit, neither should the kings men. If you believe other wise you are nothing more than a statist in my eyes
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