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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:24:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:25:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Along with Rock River
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:26:04 PM EDT
[#2]
Hello fellow pandemic gun buyer.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:26:06 PM EDT
[#3]
yup, sucks too because their 2011 looks promising.. Oh well.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:28:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Then they defunded the group, claimed they didn't know everything they were up to, spent money campaigning against the bill the group supported, and the bill ultimately died.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then they defunded the group, claimed they didn't know everything they were up to, spent money campaigning against the bill the group supported, and the bill ultimately died. Yep. But that's not what the basement dwellers remember lol. Remember Bill Ruger? Remember S&W clinton locks? They love to hate some brand for something. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:34:54 PM EDT
[#6]
Is this copium from Staccato stans?
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:36:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then they defunded the group, claimed they didn't know everything they were up to, spent money campaigning against the bill the group supported, and the bill ultimately died. Having first attacked TheTruthAboutGus.com (no affiliation). as an "activist website" to other firearm media outlets. Vile. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:38:00 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having first attacked TheTruthAboutGus.com (no affiliation). as an "activist website" to other firearm media outlets. Vile. To be fair to Springfield, TTAG are pretty much sensationalist clickbait 50% of the time. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:38:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Why did they do that?
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:38:52 PM EDT
[#10]
And then the community gave them a big ol' pimp slap and put them in their place. I passed on them around the time and bought from a competitor instead. I'm not saying Springfield is in "good graces" now but I'm not boycotting them forever.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:38:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Remember when this site didn’t have any retread 22 accounts?
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:39:57 PM EDT
[#12]
IMO the ONLY reason they fired their lobbyist and spent money campaigning against the bill is because the truth came out. You mean to tell me they give this lobbyist tons of money to lobby on their behalf and they had NO idea what he/she was doing? Bullshit
IIRC SA and RRA had a carve out in the bill so they would not have been impacted but damn near every other seller would have. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:40:02 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having first attacked TheTruthAboutGus.com (no affiliation). as an "activist website" to other firearm media outlets. Vile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then they defunded the group, claimed they didn't know everything they were up to, spent money campaigning against the bill the group supported, and the bill ultimately died. Having first attacked TheTruthAboutGus.com (no affiliation). as an "activist website" to other firearm media outlets. Vile. Seems like a reasonable response to a smear campaign |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:40:06 PM EDT
[#14]
No one remembers anything of the sort. However, Springfield and Rock River failed to monitor a lobbyist. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:43:20 PM EDT
[#15]
Well they’re doing a great job keeping the SA-35 out of the hands of the public….
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:43:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO the ONLY reason they fired their lobbyist and spent money campaigning against the bill is because the truth came out. You mean to tell me they give this lobbyist tons of money to lobby on their behalf and they had NO idea what he/she was doing? Bullshit IIRC SA and RRA had a carve out in the bill so they would not have been impacted but damn near every other seller would have. This and this. They only backpedaled because they got caught. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:43:42 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair to Springfield, TTAG are pretty much sensationalist clickbait 50% of the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Having first attacked TheTruthAboutGus.com (no affiliation). as an "activist website" to other firearm media outlets. Vile. To be fair to Springfield, TTAG are pretty much sensationalist clickbait 50% of the time. Doesn't Farago have a shady reputation? |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:43:45 PM EDT
[#18]
I wish Robbie would walk away from them.
The money is corrupting his ideals. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:43:55 PM EDT
[#19]
nice troll post, but yes.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:45:12 PM EDT
[#20]
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:46:42 PM EDT
[#21]
If I lived my life based on what Arf hates, I’d be naked, hungry and homeless.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:47:34 PM EDT
[#22]
I also remember Colts small pin / large pin and sear blocks. Bill Ruger not selling standard capacity mags to us lowly civilians because we didn't " need" them, and S&W and the "Hillary Hole".
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:47:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then they defunded the group, claimed they didn't know everything they were up to, spent money campaigning against the bill the group supported, and the bill ultimately died. Getting caught sucks, cost them a bunch of penitence spending and they still did not get the monopoly they wanted 
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:48:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Also, never forget that your family's safety trumps a virtue signaling boycott for a company's past transgressions.
Not directed at anyone in particular, just something for all to keep in mind. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:48:42 PM EDT
[#25]
I remember, I will only buy used springfields if it's something I really like. Case in point, always wanted their lw champion operator, then it became discontinued and used market on them went retarded. Finally stumbled onto a lnib model in a hole in the wall shop....for 675.00, couldn't fill out 4473 fast enough, lol.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:49:40 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, never forget that your family's safety trumps a virtue signaling boycott for a company's past transgressions. Not directed at anyone in particular, just something for all to keep in mind.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:51:51 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I lived my life based on what Arf hates, I’d be naked, hungry and homeless. There is no way in hell you'd be hungry. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:53:01 PM EDT
[#28]
As far as I’m concerned, SAI was shitty before then.
They took the name of the government arsenal without any ties to it. No employees, no buildings, no machinery. Then they call themselves “the first name in American firearms.” Clearly trying to claim some history. Fuck you, you started up in the 70s. Then they make clones. Oh wait, they outsource a lot of their stuff to places like Brazil? Then they import the HS2000, jack up the price and sell as the XD. American firearms my ass. Then the aforementioned IFMA happens. “It wasn’t us, it was the organization!” That organization is made up of YOU. You didn’t know what you were doing? Now you’re trying to play me for a sucker even more. The company would have to change ownership, name, marketing, and business practices for me to spend a dime with them. Ruger has been forgiven. SAI will not likely be. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:53:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I lived my life based on what Arf hates, I’d be naked, hungry and homeless. A lot of people here are some of the biggest 2 faced hypocrites out there. It would make cancel culture libs blush with how selective their outrage can be. 
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Posted: 9/1/2022 2:54:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as I’m concerned, SAI was shitty before then. They took the name of the government arsenal without any ties to it. No employees, no buildings, no machinery. Then they call themselves “the first name in American firearms.” Clearly trying to claim some history. Fuck you, you started up in the 70s. Then they make clones. Oh wait, they outsource a lot of their stuff to places like Brazil? Then they import the HS2000, jack up the price and sell as the XD. American firearms my ass. Then the aforementioned IFMA happens. “It wasn’t us, it was the organization!” That organization is made up of YOU. You didn’t know what you were doing? Now you’re trying to play me for a sucker even more. The company would have to change ownership, name, marketing, and business practices for me to spend a dime with them. Ruger has been forgiven. SAI will not likely be.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:01:07 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, never forget that your family's safety trumps a virtue signaling boycott for a company's past transgressions. Not directed at anyone in particular, just something for all to keep in mind. Yeah, because there are no other options either priced at, above or below their offerings; that is unless you need to be reminded of where to grip the handgun . . . in that case, I think you're right . . . no other company has literally (and not figuratively) labeled where to put your hands on a firearm:  |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:08:16 PM EDT
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August 2022er, eh? Remember when it turned out there was more to the story? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory,_Inc. In 2017, the company faced controversy during consideration in the Illinois state legislature of a bill (SB-1657) that would restrict firearms transfers within the state. An organization that Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms—both based in Illinois—provided funding to the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), initially opposed the bill.[23] Following efforts by IFMA's lobbyist, the bill was amended to exempt Illinois-based manufacturers, apparently in exchange for IFMA dropping its opposition to the bill.[23] This action created "tremendous customer backlash" as the deal was made "at the expense of everyday gun owners".[24] This was followed by the IFMA being dissolved and the companies subsequently opposing SB-1657, which was eventually vetoed.[24] Springfield Armory quickly reacted once the actions of the IFMA were revealed to the company, with the company releasing the following statement from Reese: "I can tell you now, we at Springfield Armory are unequivocally 100 percent against this bill and will continue to work with the NRA and others to ensure that it is defeated. Springfield Armory ... was not aware of the actions taken by trade association, IFMA, until after the fact."[25] Rock River and Springfield both make/import good guns in my experience too. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:10:56 PM EDT
[#33]
Yep, I have a few SA guns and they do make good guns IMO. I have no problem buying on the secondary market, just not new.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:12:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Wasn't Ruger involved in that shitshow too?
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:14:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't Ruger involved in that shitshow too? No, Rock River Arms was the other (treasonous) company. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:14:44 PM EDT
[#36]
I wonder if SA will ever actually design their own gun?
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:19:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I also remember Colts small pin / large pin and sear blocks. Bill Ruger not selling standard capacity mags to us lowly civilians because we didn't " need" them, and S&W and the "Hillary Hole". Gaston seems fond of microprinting/microstamping as well, Daniel Defense and Troy, the list goes on and on...  ...and yet the same people will shit all over PSA despite legitimately being one of, if not the most, 2A supportive manufacturers out there. 
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:20:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people here are some of the biggest 2 faced hypocrites out there. It would make cancel culture libs blush with how selective their outrage can be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I lived my life based on what Arf hates, I’d be naked, hungry and homeless. A lot of people here are some of the biggest 2 faced hypocrites out there. It would make cancel culture libs blush with how selective their outrage can be. It's funny when a streaming service gets canceled, and everyone just switches back to the last one that got canceled |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:21:27 PM EDT
[#39]
The grip zone is now the no FFL zone. FSA
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:22:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This and this. They only backpedaled because they got caught. Agreed. There are plenty of amazing gun companies right now. What are they really bringing to the table anymore? Why bother supporting them when you can get the same thing elsewhere and not support gun grabbing communists? |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:22:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if SA will ever actually design their own gun? What, you don't like their iNnOvAtIoNs? It got such great reviews!   
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:24:04 PM EDT
[#42]
If you were to boycott every firearm manufacturer who ever sucked the Democrat donkey dick to get around bills/bans, you'd be left with very limited options. In SA's case, it was a lobbying firm who got on their knees, not SA.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:24:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:25:22 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO the ONLY reason they fired their lobbyist and spent money campaigning against the bill is because the truth came out. You mean to tell me they give this lobbyist tons of money to lobby on their behalf and they had NO idea what he/she was doing? Bullshit IIRC SA and RRA had a carve out in the bill so they would not have been impacted but damn near every other seller would have. Did you approve of the NRA supporting bumpstock bans? |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:25:41 PM EDT
[#45]
The enemy will raise every historical issue and misstep any politician, organization, or business has ever made in an attempt to divide us and get us fighting amongst ourselves while they collect all the marbles.
We have to be smarter than what I have been seeing. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:26:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well they’re doing a great job keeping the SA-35 out of the hands of the public…. I believe they're doing you a favor. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:29:58 PM EDT
[#47]
Where is the list of all the gun companies we are suppose to hate?
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:31:44 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is the list of all the gun companies we are suppose to hate? It is in the members only section. Coffee is easy. FBRCC. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:31:46 PM EDT
[#49]
Op why are you so worked up over an importer like SA? There are plenty of actual manufacturers that jumped on that wagon.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 3:31:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The enemy will raise every historical issue and misstep any politician, organization, or business has ever made in an attempt to divide us and get us fighting amongst ourselves while they collect all the marbles. We have to be smarter than what I have been seeing. When you say "enemy" do you mean people who would infringe on our rights? Like maybe people who would push gun control? And even worse . . . people who would push gun control for their own monetary benefit while leading their customers to believe that they are somehow "on their side"? Because, yeah, I agree. We need to be smarter. . . . a great way to being is by not rewarding them with any purchases. |
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