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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:29:19 PM EDT
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Use chito gauze instead.
Regular use of motion, aspirin, or nsaids will inhibit their effectiveness. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:31:14 PM EDT
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PSA for large wounds ..........
"Product is not absorbable and must be removed from wound prior to wound closure." In other words if you use it on a gaping wound you'll have a bigger gaping wound after the prep but will probably live. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:36:01 PM EDT
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What quik clot variant did you use?
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:38:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: I sliced my left hand thumb pad wide open last night while putting the dishes into the dish washer, not paying attention and reaching into the sink which had a larger knife sitting in it that I used earlier while making dinner. It cut almost to the bone, definitely into the fatty layer based on the Dr. visit this morning for a look at a tetanus shot. It was a good bleeder, certainly had to wash down the sink after. First time using Quik clot, pretty sure it was from a GD thread about a year and a half ago when people were talking about building IFAK's and med kits. It shut down and clotted the bleed surprisingly quickly, no mad dash to the ER at 10:30 PM. Anyway, a quick PSA to keep a package of Quik clot readily available. It worked well and did it's job, you'll never know when you need it (even while doing dishes), and it's not that expensive. I sliced off the very tip of my finger. It would not stop bleeding with Gauze/ Pressure. I remembered I had some quick clot and I was amazed at how well it worked. However it fucking stings, and oddly enough you feel heat. It's worth the money though for sure. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:39:12 PM EDT
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I'm not a doctor, but I believe Celox impregnated bandages are preferred over the QuickClot powder. From what I remember, the QuickClot stuff is medium nasty and needs to be scrubbed from the wound before closure. I think it is also exothermic and can cause burns. It will stop the bleeding though.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:40:35 PM EDT
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Glad it helped you out, OP. Thanks for the head-up, never heard of this.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Use chito gauze instead. Regular use of motion, aspirin, or nsaids will inhibit their effectiveness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Use chito gauze instead. Regular use of motion, aspirin, or nsaids will inhibit their effectiveness. Interesting info. I don't regularly take pain killers so I think i'll be OK. I didn't know NAR made a clotting gauze, i'll have to buy some since I need to replenish my supplies now. Quoted: What quik clot variant did you use?  This one. It came in a 2 pack, i think it was $20 on amazon last year when i bought it. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:41:04 PM EDT
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Maybe just use direct pressure next time? Does not sound like a life threatening injury at all. More of a simple boo boo. Waste of quick clot. IFAKs are for life threatening trauma, not for treating boo boos.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:47:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe just use direct pressure next time? Does not sound like a life threatening injury at all. More of a simple boo boo. Waste of quick clot. IFAKs are for life threatening trauma, not for treating boo boos. Hey when that thing is steady dripping even after 5-10 minutes of pressure, a $10 gauze packet looks like a solid option to contain things. Quik clot + pressure did it. Even when the Dr looked at it this morning (did not leave the quik clot on overnight, fresh bandages for sleeping) there still was a little residual bleeding occurring. So it was not a 100% stop the bleed. Still worth the minor cost I think. You can always buy more. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:49:26 PM EDT
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Extremity wounds get TQs.
Dibbs on ammo. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting info. I don't regularly take pain killers so I think i'll be OK. I didn't know NAR made a clotting gauze, i'll have to buy some since I need to replenish my supplies now. https://i.imgur.com/e6znqw3.jpg This one. It came in a 2 pack, i think it was $20 on amazon last year when i bought it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Use chito gauze instead. Regular use of motion, aspirin, or nsaids will inhibit their effectiveness. Interesting info. I don't regularly take pain killers so I think i'll be OK. I didn't know NAR made a clotting gauze, i'll have to buy some since I need to replenish my supplies now. Quoted: What quik clot variant did you use? https://i.imgur.com/e6znqw3.jpg This one. It came in a 2 pack, i think it was $20 on amazon last year when i bought it. I was picking those up for less than 5 bucks a pop from my wifes work.  Haven't used any.. But I have em. Now I need to get some TQ's for the kit. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:57:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting info. I don't regularly take pain killers so I think i'll be OK. I didn't know NAR made a clotting gauze, i'll have to buy some since I need to replenish my supplies now. https://i.imgur.com/e6znqw3.jpg This one. It came in a 2 pack, i think it was $20 on amazon last year when i bought it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Use chito gauze instead. Regular use of motion, aspirin, or nsaids will inhibit their effectiveness. Interesting info. I don't regularly take pain killers so I think i'll be OK. I didn't know NAR made a clotting gauze, i'll have to buy some since I need to replenish my supplies now. Quoted: What quik clot variant did you use? https://i.imgur.com/e6znqw3.jpg This one. It came in a 2 pack, i think it was $20 on amazon last year when i bought it. Nothing wrong with Quick clot if you don't. It works well. If you keep stuff around for helping strangers then look into the chito gauze because you may not know what they take. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:26:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a doctor, but I believe Celox impregnated bandages are preferred over the QuickClot powder. From what I remember, the QuickClot stuff is medium nasty and needs to be scrubbed from the wound before closure. I think it is also exothermic and can cause burns. It will stop the bleeding though. That's what the trainers in a Stop-the-Bleed training told us. Use it only as a last resort or if the wound is really big. They said that sometimes they get people in the ER who used it in (relatively) small wounds and cleaning things up makes the wound worse and more painful. I had a deep cut on my leg's shin when I hit a tool cabinet's open drawer in my garage. The bleeding wouldn't stop but I kept wrapping it tightly while doing my best to ignore the pain until it stopped. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:33:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey when that thing is steady dripping even after 5-10 minutes of pressure, a $10 gauze packet looks like a solid option to contain things. Quik clot + pressure did it. Even when the Dr looked at it this morning (did not leave the quik clot on overnight, fresh bandages for sleeping) there still was a little residual bleeding occurring. So it was not a 100% stop the bleed. Still worth the minor cost I think. You can always buy more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe just use direct pressure next time? Does not sound like a life threatening injury at all. More of a simple boo boo. Waste of quick clot. IFAKs are for life threatening trauma, not for treating boo boos. Hey when that thing is steady dripping even after 5-10 minutes of pressure, a $10 gauze packet looks like a solid option to contain things. Quik clot + pressure did it. Even when the Dr looked at it this morning (did not leave the quik clot on overnight, fresh bandages for sleeping) there still was a little residual bleeding occurring. So it was not a 100% stop the bleed. Still worth the minor cost I think. You can always buy more. If it was still dripping after 5-10 min it means there wasn't enough pressure. Tourniquets at the right pressure are painful, sometimes more than the wound itself. Tighten it until bleed stops. Relieve pressure after 30 minutes so you don't have necrosis. I usually have a tourniquet close by and one bag of quick clot. Used the tourniquet but luckily never needed the quick clot. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:44:30 AM EDT
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Just use a piece of white bread
The squishy stuff that lasts for forever Smush it around the wound, it probably works as well as quick clot and costs 7 cents Sterile Cheap Absorbant Now if your femoral artery is nicked, yeah sure use the quick clot and tourniquet |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 2:14:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a doctor, but I believe Celox impregnated bandages are preferred over the QuickClot powder. From what I remember, the QuickClot stuff is medium nasty and needs to be scrubbed from the wound before closure. I think it is also exothermic and can cause burns. It will stop the bleeding though. Only the really old version of QuickClot burns and causes issues. Stuff with in the past 10 years should be much better. That said, I much prefer Celox as it does not rely on the body's clotting factors at all. So people on blood thinners, hemophiliacs, etc will still clot on Celox gauze. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:34:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what the trainers in a Stop-the-Bleed training told us. Use it only as a last resort or if the wound is really big. They said that sometimes they get people in the ER who used it in (relatively) small wounds and cleaning things up makes the wound worse and more painful. I had a deep cut on my leg's shin when I hit a tool cabinet's open drawer in my garage. The bleeding wouldn't stop but I kept wrapping it tightly while doing my best to ignore the pain until it stopped. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not a doctor, but I believe Celox impregnated bandages are preferred over the QuickClot powder. From what I remember, the QuickClot stuff is medium nasty and needs to be scrubbed from the wound before closure. I think it is also exothermic and can cause burns. It will stop the bleeding though. That's what the trainers in a Stop-the-Bleed training told us. Use it only as a last resort or if the wound is really big. They said that sometimes they get people in the ER who used it in (relatively) small wounds and cleaning things up makes the wound worse and more painful. I had a deep cut on my leg's shin when I hit a tool cabinet's open drawer in my garage. The bleeding wouldn't stop but I kept wrapping it tightly while doing my best to ignore the pain until it stopped. That's only with the loose powder. The impregnated gauze is fine |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:35:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just use a piece of white bread The squishy stuff that lasts for forever Smush it around the wound, it probably works as well as quick clot and costs 7 cents Sterile Cheap Absorbant Now if your femoral artery is nicked, yeah sure use the quick clot and tourniquet Where do you buy sterile bread? |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:56:39 AM EDT
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I need to get some more. Unfortunately seems to be he’s to find a deal on it. Any leads?
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:58:21 AM EDT
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For the best clotting, I use the Pfizer experimental gene therapy.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:01:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where do you buy sterile bread? You have to boil it. Carry a dumpling just in case. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:03:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it was still dripping after 5-10 min it means there wasn't enough pressure. Tourniquets at the right pressure are painful, sometimes more than the wound itself. Tighten it until bleed stops. Relieve pressure after 30 minutes so you don't have necrosis. I usually have a tourniquet close by and one bag of quick clot. Used the tourniquet but luckily never needed the quick clot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe just use direct pressure next time? Does not sound like a life threatening injury at all. More of a simple boo boo. Waste of quick clot. IFAKs are for life threatening trauma, not for treating boo boos. Hey when that thing is steady dripping even after 5-10 minutes of pressure, a $10 gauze packet looks like a solid option to contain things. Quik clot + pressure did it. Even when the Dr looked at it this morning (did not leave the quik clot on overnight, fresh bandages for sleeping) there still was a little residual bleeding occurring. So it was not a 100% stop the bleed. Still worth the minor cost I think. You can always buy more. If it was still dripping after 5-10 min it means there wasn't enough pressure. Tourniquets at the right pressure are painful, sometimes more than the wound itself. Tighten it until bleed stops. Relieve pressure after 30 minutes so you don't have necrosis. I usually have a tourniquet close by and one bag of quick clot. Used the tourniquet but luckily never needed the quick clot. No, you don't relieve pressure. You get to the hospital. You have several hours before there's a problem. Otherwise a wound that can have a tourniquet removed after half an hour without a hospital probably didn't need a tourniquet. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:08:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Extremity wounds get TQs. Dibbs on ammo. TQ for a thumb?  |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:29:38 AM EDT
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Trying not to break your balls here, but who puts nice kitchen knives in a dishwasher?
Leave dishwashing and other dangerous chores to your wife. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:47:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just use a piece of white bread The squishy stuff that lasts for forever Smush it around the wound, it probably works as well as quick clot and costs 7 cents Sterile Cheap Absorbant Now if your femoral artery is nicked, yeah sure use the quick clot and tourniquet where tf you finna put a TQ if you’re femoral artery is nicked?  around your torso?! jeezum. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:09:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: where tf you finna put a TQ if you’re femoral artery is nicked? around your torso?! jeezum. That's when you need a junctional tourniquet |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:22:48 AM EDT
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Not long after the bleeding stops..clean that shit out of the wound. Preferably while it is still a bit damp and will wash out more easily.
Re bandage with a butterfly or get stitches if it’s big enough. I was on an island. Had an unfortunate accident and ended up with a large knife wound on my calf. Buddy stuffed that shit in it. It works great. Stopped the bleeding. Doctor was not on the island. I cleaned it a bit later but left too much in there for 2 days all wrapped up. Infected..doc comes back. I go to see him. Shakes his head.. Umm..scrubbing it out was ahh.. ugly. Doc tried to numb it but digging down into it to clean what he could get to was eye opening. Large scar for years. PSA..only use it if you can’t get the bleeding under control some other way or you know it’s potentially bad and need time to get medical help. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:32:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing wrong with Quick clot if you don't. It works well. If you keep stuff around for helping strangers then look into the chito gauze because you may not know what they take. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Use chito gauze instead. Regular use of motion, aspirin, or nsaids will inhibit their effectiveness. Interesting info. I don't regularly take pain killers so I think i'll be OK. I didn't know NAR made a clotting gauze, i'll have to buy some since I need to replenish my supplies now. Quoted: What quik clot variant did you use? https://i.imgur.com/e6znqw3.jpg This one. It came in a 2 pack, i think it was $20 on amazon last year when i bought it. Nothing wrong with Quick clot if you don't. It works well. If you keep stuff around for helping strangers then look into the chito gauze because you may not know what they take. When I researched hemostatics a few years ago I concluded that celox was my favorite, is it still GTG? |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:50:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tourniquets at the right pressure are painful, sometimes more than the wound itself. Tighten it until bleed stops. Relieve pressure after 30 minutes so you don't have necrosis. This is outdated. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:41:31 AM EDT
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I just checked my first aid roll, I found some celox packets, with an expiration date of 2010, I have doubts about the efficacy of it today.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:44:00 AM EDT
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Once upon a time I was in a pistol class
This bro launched one that hit himself in his ass and came out above his knee. All on the right side of the leg I was just about to pour so much quick clot in that guy until another guy was like nooooo dont do that I learned then and there that quick clot is only for extreme gushing wounds Never thought about how you had to pick all that shit out later on Gauzed the guy up and sent him to the ER |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:49:28 AM EDT
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Cool that the quik clot worked. the last time I cut a finger, the next day it started hurting really bad. Took me too long to figure out the bandage just needed to be loosened to allow it to swell.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:52:49 AM EDT
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I thought Quickclot had a newer version that did not burn/sting when applied?
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Posted: 9/6/2023 11:56:34 AM EDT
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Why are so many of you carrying the granuals? Use impregnated gauze and pack it after a tq.
Obviously not needed in the ops case though |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are so many of you carrying the granuals? Use impregnated gauze and pack it after a tq. Obviously not needed in the ops case though Because this is GD. Where they’ll spend $3K on an optic, but bitch about $50 for a Celox/QuikClot Z-fold. The Celox powder seems ok for small basic first aid on blood thinner patients. I assume the only reason it’s still relevant for people’s trauma kits is it’s cheap and what often comes in the already assembled kits. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:12:52 PM EDT
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Farnam Wonder Dust from your local farm supply store or amazon.
4 oz bottle for about $10. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:20:10 PM EDT
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There is some dated/erroneous info in this thread- folks need to get out there and update their medical plans and kits. If nothing else, take a simple Stop the Bleed course- the life you save could be your own.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just checked my first aid roll, I found some celox packets, with an expiration date of 2010, I have doubts about the efficacy of it today. I asked the same question last time I checked my celox gauze. Guys here said it's still gtg this is my go to.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing wrong with Quick clot if you don't. It works well. If you keep stuff around for helping strangers then look into the chito gauze because you may not know what they take. Posting for a knowledge check. I remember being taught to opt for quick clot because it was a better hemostatic than chito gauze and worked independent of the coagulation cascade as opposed to being a mucoadhesive. Am I misunderstanding that? |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 12:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sliced off the very tip of my finger. It would not stop bleeding with Gauze/ Pressure. I remembered I had some quick clot and I was amazed at how well it worked. However it fucking stings, and oddly enough you feel heat. It's worth the money though for sure. It does actually heat up. The big packs of powder dumped into a large wound can get excessively hot. Also, you don't want to try and use one when it's windy - you do NOT want it in your eyes. This is the why the impregnated sponges and bandages are now preferred to the packs of powder for most purposes. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 3:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey when that thing is steady dripping even after 5-10 minutes of pressure, a $10 gauze packet looks like a solid option to contain things. Quik clot + pressure did it. Even when the Dr looked at it this morning (did not leave the quik clot on overnight, fresh bandages for sleeping) there still was a little residual bleeding occurring. So it was not a 100% stop the bleed. Still worth the minor cost I think. You can always buy more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe just use direct pressure next time? Does not sound like a life threatening injury at all. More of a simple boo boo. Waste of quick clot. IFAKs are for life threatening trauma, not for treating boo boos. Hey when that thing is steady dripping even after 5-10 minutes of pressure, a $10 gauze packet looks like a solid option to contain things. Quik clot + pressure did it. Even when the Dr looked at it this morning (did not leave the quik clot on overnight, fresh bandages for sleeping) there still was a little residual bleeding occurring. So it was not a 100% stop the bleed. Still worth the minor cost I think. You can always buy more. Still overkill IMO and unnecessary. But, if you have an IFAK, your are likely to start looking for a reason to start using it to justify the expense. Glad your boo boo got taken care of. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 3:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where do you buy sterile bread? ok that part is made up, but the rest is accurate 
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Posted: 9/6/2023 3:58:59 PM EDT
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In 2021 I punched a knife through the webbing of my hand between my thumb and index finger while gutting a deer. Didn't split it but the tip came out through my palm. Blade edge was facing in.
Super quick in and out. Blood was squirting a couple feet. I was in the woods about 500 yards from anyone with spotty almost nonexistent cell service. Had compressed gauze, a 4" Israeli bandage and a pack of quikclot granules that expired in 2012. That stuff still worked. Burned like hell though. I made it to an ER and got patched up. They numbed it up pretty good so I didn't really feel them scrubbing the granules out |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 4:02:56 PM EDT
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What about "wound seal?" Is that any good?
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Posted: 9/6/2023 4:47:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just checked my first aid roll, I found some celox packets, with an expiration date of 2010, I have doubts about the efficacy of it today. ... your neighbor have a pig they don't pay attention to? This seems like a good addition to the suturing thread a few pages down... |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:32:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Use chito gauze instead. Regular use of motion, aspirin, or nsaids will inhibit their effectiveness. One of those rare cases of .... Thank you for spending my money and I learned soemthing useful in this thread.
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Posted: 9/7/2023 12:26:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Because this is GD. Where they’ll spend $3K on an optic, but bitch about $50 for a Celox/QuikClot Z-fold. The Celox powder seems ok for small basic first aid on blood thinner patients. I assume the only reason it’s still relevant for people’s trauma kits is it’s cheap and what often comes in the already assembled kits. In this case since I just looked on amazon again, it's 12.50/$24.99 on amazon per z fold gauze. Joeflation I guess from a year or two ago, still worth it to keep in the house or kitchen in my case, or on a boat, or when doing outdoor things. It's cheap insurance to buy time, in a worse case scenario is how I look at it. Clearly a thumb did not need a TQ as others mentioned but it did prevent an ER visit at 10:30pm and allowed me to go to my primary care doctor, since I have a HDHP with a HSA that I use as an investment account, for a lot less money. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 12:38:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, you don't relieve pressure. You get to the hospital. You have several hours before there's a problem. Otherwise a wound that can have a tourniquet removed after half an hour without a hospital probably didn't need a tourniquet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe just use direct pressure next time? Does not sound like a life threatening injury at all. More of a simple boo boo. Waste of quick clot. IFAKs are for life threatening trauma, not for treating boo boos. Hey when that thing is steady dripping even after 5-10 minutes of pressure, a $10 gauze packet looks like a solid option to contain things. Quik clot + pressure did it. Even when the Dr looked at it this morning (did not leave the quik clot on overnight, fresh bandages for sleeping) there still was a little residual bleeding occurring. So it was not a 100% stop the bleed. Still worth the minor cost I think. You can always buy more. If it was still dripping after 5-10 min it means there wasn't enough pressure. Tourniquets at the right pressure are painful, sometimes more than the wound itself. Tighten it until bleed stops. Relieve pressure after 30 minutes so you don't have necrosis. I usually have a tourniquet close by and one bag of quick clot. Used the tourniquet but luckily never needed the quick clot. No, you don't relieve pressure. You get to the hospital. You have several hours before there's a problem. Otherwise a wound that can have a tourniquet removed after half an hour without a hospital probably didn't need a tourniquet. The hole in my shin wouldn't stop bleeding until I wrapped it very tight. I did not use quick clot and after about half an hour I loosened it a bit and it had stopped. Still went to the hospital where they gave me an anti-tetanus boost, since mine was expired. It was a small but deep cut because of the metal sheet that acted like a blade. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 12:40:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is outdated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tourniquets at the right pressure are painful, sometimes more than the wound itself. Tighten it until bleed stops. Relieve pressure after 30 minutes so you don't have necrosis. This is outdated. What's the current procedure? |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 12:52:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing wrong with Quick clot if you don't. It works well. If you keep stuff around for helping strangers then look into the chito gauze because you may not know what they take. We were told to carry quickclot on my local sar team for the sole reason of possible allergic reactions to gauzes with chitosan which is derviced from shellfish. Quickclot has been shown to be effective with most prescription blood thinners and aspirin. |
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