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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:15:52 PM EDT
[#1]
So what is prop HH as I do not want to open your link.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:16:25 PM EDT
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No CLICKY strange unknown link.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:17:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:17:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what is prop HH as I do not want to open your link. i could be way off but i believe it somewhat regulates gov spending. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:17:58 PM EDT
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Let me help
Why it matters: The measure's failure is a major blow to Gov. Jared Polis and Democratic lawmakers who hoped to trade a property tax cut for looser spending restrictions under the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, known as TABOR. By the numbers: Proposition HH received just 39% support, per the 8pm ballot tally, with 61% in opposition. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:18:21 PM EDT
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Man who came up with the bright idea of naming a proposition "HH"
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:18:22 PM EDT
[#7]
GOOD!
Shocking but good |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:19:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GOOD! Shocking but good |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:19:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:19:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:20:45 PM EDT
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As I recall it was incomprehensible written on the ballot. Very hard to understand what the vote was for if you didn't already know.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I recall it was incomprehensible written on the ballot. Very hard to understand what the vote was for if you didn't already know. Without raising taxes, shall 87% of puppies and kittens be eligible for a reduction of their owners’ property tax by 1% every February 31st? |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:30:38 PM EDT
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This state will elect the most liberal politicians and policies in the country but when it comes to tax increases it always fails. It’s the oddest thing I’ve ever witnessed politically but it happens more often than not in Colorado.
They are persistent though so expect it to pass just through other means once the dust settles. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:33:32 PM EDT
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I was worried about this one. It was written in a very sleazy and misleading way.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:34:05 PM EDT
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And so no one is confused, this does not signal any sort of shift to the right or even away from the extreme left within the state. As I mentioned Colorado has a history of shooting down tax increases so this didn’t even surprise me. Their only chance was the confusing wording that was used.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This state will elect the most liberal politicians and policies in the country but when it comes to tax increases it always fails. It’s the oddest thing I’ve ever witnessed politically but it happens more often than not in Colorado. They are persistent though so expect it to pass just through other means once the dust settles. It will be renamed “fee” and judges will agree wholeheartedly 
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No CLICKY strange unknown link. From a paying 09 member? Ooooookay |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:38:13 PM EDT
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Fantastic! Proposition HH was a very clever trick by Polis, and I thought Coloradans might just be dumb enough to vote for it. Seriously the gall of the bastard dems to trick Colorado voters into allowing property taxes to balloon, and then to put a ballot measure that would offer some property tax relief, but gut our TABOR protections that the commies can't stand. Honestly it was a genius ploy on the part of the commies, I'm shocked Colorado voters actually saw through it.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:41:35 PM EDT
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Good.
It was worded so boomers would think they're getting lower taxes and more benefits. “SHALL THE STATE REDUCE PROPERTY TAXES FOR HOMES AND BUSINESSES, INCLUDING EXPANDING PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FOR SENIORS, AND BACKFILL COUNTIES, WATER DISTRICTS, FIRE DISTRICTS, AMBULANCE AND HOSPITAL DISTRICTS, AND OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND FUND SCHOOL DISTRICTS BY USING A PORTION OF THE STATE SURPLUS UP TO THE PROPOSITION HH CAP AS DEFINED IN THIS MEASURE?” |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:44:19 PM EDT
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Those cunts have been trying everything to jack our taxes.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:46:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. It was worded so boomers would think they're getting lower taxes and more benefits. Hey prick, I knew what it said and I’ll boomer ur ass to Raton. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 11:50:39 PM EDT
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Good, eye went nyet.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:01:16 AM EDT
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Why were the Dems and the Gov hoping for less restrictions on spending? They have some pet projects or business they want to incentivize?
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:14:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man who came up with the bright idea of naming a proposition "HH" 
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:14:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Link |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:20:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And so no one is confused, this does not signal any sort of shift to the right or even away from the extreme left within the state. As I mentioned Colorado has a history of shooting down tax increases so this didn’t even surprise me. Their only chance was the confusing wording that was used. When I was reading it that is what it sounded like but only read part of it....I am not in CO so had no clue what HH meant or heard of it before this thread. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:20:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why were the Dems and the Gov hoping for less restrictions on spending? They have some pet projects or business they want to incentivize? |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:23:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey prick, I knew what it said and I’ll boomer ur ass to Raton. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good. It was worded so boomers would think they're getting lower taxes and more benefits. Hey prick, I knew what it said and I’ll boomer ur ass to Raton. 
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:25:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why were the Dems and the Gov hoping for less restrictions on spending? They have some pet projects or business they want to incentivize? TABOR requires excess funds from taxes be returned. The democrats have been trying to reverse this since they took over the state 10 years ago and we keep voting their BS down. They can't fully californicate us until they kill TABOR. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:32:09 AM EDT
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The Republicans are trying for a special session to rein in huge property tax increases. I am trying to reach a state Senator to enact some changes:
1) Roll back assessments to circa 2019/2020 values. 2) Ensure that school mill levies on capital projects (loans) are reduced so that they only the original amount planned/approved and not a windfall. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:32:25 AM EDT
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So now that HH failed, will they just jack up property taxes as punishment? They already get around TABOR by calling everything "fees" instead of "taxes".
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:33:41 AM EDT
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Turns out CO voters don't like being told that they should vote for a shit sandwich despite Polis swearing it will be delicious.
Voters hate being misled. The proposition should have never made it to ballot as written. Politicians and the ballot language claims HH to be a tax cut, but it is a tax raise. Voters actually understood it was a bait and switch, then soundly rejected it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now that HH failed, will they just jack up property taxes as punishment? They already get around TABOR by calling everything "fees" instead of "taxes". My property assessment went up about 75% this year. Assuming the same mill levy across all taxing entities that is a 75% increase for them from me. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:36:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I recall it was incomprehensible written on the ballot. Very hard to understand what the vote was for if you didn't already know. Quote HistoryQuoted: As I recall it was incomprehensible written on the ballot. Very hard to understand what the vote was for if you didn't already know. Shall the South Carolina Department of Revenue be authorized to issue temporary permits in this county for a period not to exceed twenty-four hours to allow the possession, sale, and consumption of alcoholic liquors by the drink to bona fide nonprofit organizations and business establishments otherwise authorized to be licensed for consumption-on-premises sales? |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:36:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man who came up with the bright idea of naming a proposition "HH" Herbert Hoover? Hubert Humphrey? Horatio Hornblower? |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:36:47 AM EDT
[#36]
I’m pleasantly surprised.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fantastic! Proposition HH was a very clever trick by Polis, and I thought Coloradans might just be dumb enough to vote for it. Seriously the gall of the bastard dems to trick Colorado voters into allowing property taxes to balloon, and then to put a ballot measure that would offer some property tax relief, but gut our TABOR protections that the commies can't stand. Honestly it was a genius ploy on the part of the commies, I'm shocked Colorado voters actually saw through it. Loved the one add that stated, If HH lowered taxes, you wouldn't be voting on it. We only vote on tax increases. 2 years ago, the increases were voted for as the dems went full fraud on the election. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:54:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Turns out CO voters don't like being told that they should vote for a shit sandwich despite Polis swearing it will be delicious. Voters hate being misled. The proposition should have never made it to ballot as written. Politicians and the ballot language claims HH to be a tax cut, but it is a tax raise. Voters actually understood it was a bait and switch, then soundly rejected it. Of course Denver & Boulder are showing yes on HH with vote counts as of midnight   
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:08:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course Denver & Boulder are showing yes on HH with vote counts as of midnight https://distortion.io/i/nd3lJn.png https://distortion.io/i/0tHdpc.png Thar's a lower yes percentage than I expected for BoCo. Hmmm. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:09:23 AM EDT
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Wow so much detail.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:10:48 AM EDT
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I guess they thought with everyone smoking dope they would vote yes?
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:19:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TABOR requires excess funds from taxes be returned. The democrats have been trying to reverse this since they took over the state 10 years ago and we keep voting their BS down. They can't fully californicate us until they kill TABOR. Yup |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:35:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TABOR requires excess funds from taxes be returned. The democrats have been trying to reverse this since they took over the state 10 years ago and we keep voting their BS down. They can't fully californicate us until they kill TABOR. Yup That is there top priority for Taxes, to repeal the TABOR. Reading through the Colorado Dem platform is sickening. Full Retard They make 1995 Bill Clinton look like Grover Norquist. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:40:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be renamed “fee” and judges will agree wholeheartedly Thats the Colorado way! |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:40:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man who came up with the bright idea of naming a proposition "HH" They're named in order. 2019 had CC and DD 2020 had EE 2022 had FF and GG 2023 HH and II They use combinations of numbers, letters, double letters, depending on the particular item and the source that proposed it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:43:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This state will elect the most liberal politicians and policies in the country but when it comes to tax increases it always fails. It’s the oddest thing I’ve ever witnessed politically but it happens more often than not in Colorado. They are persistent though so expect it to pass just through other means once the dust settles. You’re lucky, the idiots here vote overwhelmingly for every new expenditure and then bitch that their taxes went up….they’re that stupid. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:51:51 AM EDT
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Colorado is doomed. It's crying shame. I moved here in 2016 and it's the nicest climate I've ever been in. You can go skiing and play golf in January. Summers are amazing where I open up every window in the house at night. We have great schools and plenty to do. I'm a bit insulated in Colorado Springs but even this city has changed immensely in eight years and not for the better. Doomed, I say.
I'm very glad HH failed. However, the wife and I are leaving this state as soon as our youngest graduates from HS. Why? 'Cause fuck 'em, that's why. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 10:55:01 AM EDT
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I didn't even bother trying to understand the deliberately confusing wording. I just looked at the list of people supporting it and that told me everything I needed to know.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From a paying 09 member? Ooooookay Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No CLICKY strange unknown link. From a paying 09 member? Ooooookay |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I recall it was incomprehensible written on the ballot. Very hard to understand what the vote was for if you didn't already know. In Colorado, if the .gov collects more than a certain amount of taxes, then the overage has to be returned. The ballot write up focused on the property tax reduction part of it, but completely ignored the fact that it came at the cost of reducing the amount of tax overage the .gov would have to return. The property tax reduction was minimal and wouldn't make up for the amount of money you would lose by not getting the tax overage back. |
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