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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:26:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:26:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. If I'm not committing a crime and I tell you to eff off, then eff off. You can talk to me all you'd like. I don't have to answer. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:28:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat isn't a difficult choice at all. It's always easier to explain why you did nothing, than it is to explain why you did something that went terribly wrong. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:28:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Initiated a terry stop because a guy is walking in the street after a snowfall when the sidewalks aren't cleared in a t shirt.  Were these cops in suspended animation somewhere for the past decade? "Excuse me black man, i'd like to get your name and destination to understand what business you have in the white part of town? We've gotten calls..."  Childish Gambino - This Is America (Official Video) |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:28:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm not committing a crime and I tell you to eff off, then eff off. You can talk to me all you'd like. I don't have to answer. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:30:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid cops. Guy looked like the typical ''walking in snow'' person. Did the cops cite all the house owners who didn't have their sidewalks shoveled? [if there were sidewalks] If they didn't, and there were sidewalks then I'd consider the cops were under the influence of ''RMA.'' They HAD to know why the guy was walking in the tire tracks and if he wasn't actually impeding traffic, what was the big deal? I don't think any Plano resident is going to shovel their walk unless it is to get out their Range Rover Sport or Porsche Cayenne. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:32:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm not committing a crime and I tell you to eff off, then eff off. You can talk to me all you'd like. I don't have to answer.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm not committing a crime and I tell you to eff off, then eff off. You can talk to me all you'd like. I don't have to answer. If you are walking in the middle of the street and impeding traffic flow, you may be committing a crime. I don't know if that was what happened. Seemed they were more going with the welfare check approach, which most states have laws which allow police to detain or arrest you if they have PC to believe you are a harm to yourself or others, even absent a crime. Of course the kid could always have stopped for 30 sec and say "yeah, I am all set, I don't want any help, I am walking home which is about 5 min from here, I don't want to talk to you anymore than that, thanks". But that would have been too easy. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:34:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. Unreal. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:34:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You aright you don't have to talk. I don't see why telling people to eff off is a polite thing to do. Much of the time if you are polite to people things will go much better. He was polite. He said he had no interest in talking to them and didn't need their help. They continued to harass him, then assaulted and kidnapped him. They should all be fired and sending him money. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:36:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unreal. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:36:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You aright you don't have to talk. I don't see why telling people to eff off is a polite thing to do. Much of the time if you are polite to people things will go much better. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:37:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are walking in the middle of the street and impeding traffic flow, you may be committing a crime. I don't know if that was what happened. Seemed they were more going with the welfare check approach, which most states have laws which allow police to detain or arrest you if they have PC to believe you are a harm to yourself or others, even absent a crime. Of course the kid could always have stopped for 30 sec and say "yeah, I am all set, I don't want any help, I am walking home which is about 5 min from here, I don't want to talk to you anymore than that, thanks". But that would have been too easy. So not watching the video you don't know if he was the only person there and the police were the only car(s). Did he give any indication that he was going to harm himself or others? This isn't that hard when you don't have to contort yourself to justify police interaction when none is wanted or needed or required. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:37:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So being a dick is the correct way to talk to people? How was he being a dick? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:37:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. I get what you're saying, and attitude rarely helps, but you could replace wearing a T-shirt with any Karen type complaint that you like to justify an interaction. Wearing a T-shirt is a pretty weak reason to justify stopping someone. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:37:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was polite. He said he had no interest in talking to them and didn't need their help. They continued to harass him, then assaulted and kidnapped him. They should all be fired and sending him money. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:37:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid cops. Guy looked like the typical ''walking in snow'' person. Did the cops cite all the house owners who didn't have their sidewalks shoveled? [if there were sidewalks] If they didn't, and there were sidewalks then I'd consider the cops were under the influence of ''RMA.'' They HAD to know why the guy was walking in the tire tracks and if he wasn't actually impeding traffic, what was the big deal? The T-shirt in cold weather can be a factor in citing someone for public intoxication. You see “not dressed appropriate for the cold weather” all the time in those citations, at least locally, this time of year. My guess without looking at the video is that LE sees or gets a call about a guy in a T-shirt out on the street in the cold and they wonder if it’s a render aid or PI situation. So they make contact and the situation then escalates because one or both sides of the equation get chippy and make poor decisions. But what I can almost certainly guarantee you is that the guy wasn’t arrested for wearing a T-shirt in the snow. He was arrested because of what went down during the citizen/LEO exchange. I hate misleading thread titles. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:38:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are walking in the middle of the street and impeding traffic flow, you may be committing a crime. I don't know if that was what happened. Seemed they were more going with the welfare check approach, which most states have laws which allow police to detain or arrest you if they have PC to believe you are a harm to yourself or others, even absent a crime. Of course the kid could always have stopped for 30 sec and say "yeah, I am all set, I don't want any help, I am walking home which is about 5 min from here, I don't want to talk to you anymore than that, thanks". But that would have been too easy. They didn't even mention the street until well into the harassment and after he had already gotten out of it. He then apologized. He did say he was all set, he was walking home, and he didn't want to talk to them anymore. Did you even watch the video? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:39:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you often talk to people by keeping your back to them? People that I don't want to talk to and are continuing to harass me? Yes. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:40:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How was he being a dick? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:40:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So being a dick is the correct way to talk to people? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unreal. Nope. Being polite will get you a long way in this world. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I let them walk around in the cold. Wait long enough and one way or another it won’t be anyone’s problem anymore. Don’t want to ID? Cool Ill be back when you get hit by a car or freeze to death. We can get prints off a frozen corpse pretty easy or the hospital tag will have his info. If he makes it home, awesome. You “let” people walk around in the cold? Well no fucking shit you do, this is a free country and you’re not their mom. “Let”. Pfft. GTFO. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:42:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop, turn around and address the person. It wasn't like the kid was on his way to say the planet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How was he being a dick? It seems your hangup is how he addressed the police. So that justifies harrassing him, tackling him and arresting him on BS charges that the chief has to walk back later? He didn't respect their authority so he got what was coming to him? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:43:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get what you're saying, and attitude rarely helps, but you could replace wearing a T-shirt with any Karen type complaint that you like to justify an interaction. Wearing a T-shirt is a pretty weak reason to justify stopping someone. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems your hangup is how he addressed the police. So that justifies harrassing him, tackling him and arresting him on BS charges that the chief has to walk back later? He didn't respect their authority so he got what was coming to him? Worship mah badge! |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cliff notes: Dude was walking down the middle of the street. This was covered in the video, and as a Northerner I can confirm. After a snowstorm, when the streets are plowed and the sidewalks haven't been shoveled, you walk in the street. Because there's really no other option. Not sure why anyone would think this was a big deal unless they were looking for any excuse to defend cops. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. ^^^^ This.................. 
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:45:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^^^^ This.................. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. ^^^^ This.................. I know, it's his fault all this happened, right? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:45:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^^^^ This.................. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. ^^^^ This.................. You guys would be better suited living over in the UK. You give freedom loving Americans a bad name. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:46:12 AM EDT
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"We just trying to figure our where you going."
How about fuck you, leave me alone. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems your hangup is how he addressed the police. So that justifies harrassing him, tackling him and arresting him on BS charges that the chief has to walk back later? He didn't respect their authority so he got what was coming to him? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:48:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So being a dick is the correct way to talk to people? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unreal. You are correct, the cops should have been much less confrontational. They are the dicks in this story. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:48:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGood, fire them next. I work for a big company and if I bring negative publicity to my employer, even if it's not work related or I didn't violate a policy, I get fired. Police officers need to possess good judgement, these two had terrible. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:48:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm saying he did not help himself out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It seems your hangup is how he addressed the police. So that justifies harrassing him, tackling him and arresting him on BS charges that the chief has to walk back later? He didn't respect their authority so he got what was coming to him? Why does he need to help himself out? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:49:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:50:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "We just trying to figure our where you going." How about fuck you, leave me alone. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:50:56 AM EDT
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"Hey man it's pretty cold out to be walking in just a t-shirt, are you ok? Would you like a ride?"
"No, ok well if you need anything give us a holler. Be safe." |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:51:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know, it's his fault all this happened, right? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:51:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was in no danger, there was no justification for a stop. The cops violated his rights Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:51:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You “let” people walk around in the cold? Well no fucking shit you do, this is a free country and you’re not their mom. “Let”. Pfft. GTFO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I let them walk around in the cold. Wait long enough and one way or another it won’t be anyone’s problem anymore. Don’t want to ID? Cool Ill be back when you get hit by a car or freeze to death. We can get prints off a frozen corpse pretty easy or the hospital tag will have his info. If he makes it home, awesome. You “let” people walk around in the cold? Well no fucking shit you do, this is a free country and you’re not their mom. “Let”. Pfft. GTFO. Maybe switch to decaf. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But, but but... he had an attitude. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:52:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps he should have whipped his dick out and started pissing on them to establish dominance? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know, it's his fault all this happened, right? That would be a crime. He committed no crime. What crime was being investigated by the police? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:53:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They didn't even mention the street until well into the harassment and after he had already gotten out of it. He then apologized. He did say he was all set, he was walking home, and he didn't want to talk to them anymore. Did you even watch the video? I did. Apologizing for doing something does not erase that something from happening. You said he wasn't breaking any laws. It appears he may have. In which case they (the police) can detain and ID him. I am NOT saying that would be the best course of action, but I am saying it is legal to do so and refusing to stop when ordered to do so. I wonder if those particular cops will ever check on someone walking in the street in the snow wearing a T shirt in 10 degree Texas again. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:53:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Uppity" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But, but but... he had an attitude. 
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:53:26 AM EDT
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Apparently in the Navy they used to have a punishment called Bread and Water. Basically you were locked in a cell and only given bread and water, as much as you could eat for three days. No permanent harm done, just a few unpleasant shits and boredom.
That should be the punishment for officers who violate citizens' rights like this. I don't want million dollar lawsuits paid out by the taxpayers. Just smack the officers on the nose, and shit like this will stop quick. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:53:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: "Hey man it's pretty cold out to be walking in just a t-shirt, are you ok? Would you like a ride?" |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps he should have whipped his dick out and started pissing on them to establish dominance? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know, it's his fault all this happened, right? Perhaps they should have left him alone. I hope the kid’s lawsuit judgement includes the firing & shaming of the officers, as well. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:53:45 AM EDT
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Never talk to the police. I thought was the rule.
I’m find can I go? I’m fine can I go? Stand there for 5 minutes in silence. I’m fine can I go? Myself I’d probably have just stopped an talked to them but I understand why people wouldn’t want to and for the most part they do t have to talk. Cops aren’t you friends. It would be annoying. They like to try to be but assume they are always investing. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:54:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys would be better suited living over in the UK. You give freedom loving Americans a bad name. Cry me a river, yankee girl...................
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:54:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop, turn around and address the person. It wasn't like the kid was on his way to say the planet. |
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