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Posted: 8/19/2019 4:07:06 PM EDT

I wonder why Putin would have Trump do such a thing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-test-fires-missile-previously-banned-under-lapsed-treaty

The Pentagon announced Monday that the military conducted a test over the weekend of a type of missile that previously had been banned for the last 30 years under a treaty between the United States and Russia.

The test, which took place off the coast of California, marks the resumption of an arms competition that some analysts worry could increase U.S.-Russia tensions after the two world powers abandoned a long-standing treaty earlier this month.

The Trump administration says it remains interested in useful arms control but questions Moscow's willingness to adhere to its treaty commitments.

The Pentagon on Monday said it tested a modified ground-launched version of a Navy Tomahawk cruise missile. The department said the missile was launched from San Nicolas Island and accurately struck its target after flying more than 500 kilometers (310 miles). The missile was armed with a conventional, not nuclear, warhead.

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:14:09 PM EDT

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Good

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:16:50 PM EDT

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Bring back the Pershing 2's!!

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:18:27 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/19/2019 4:18:42 PM EDT

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Pershing 2 was the most advanced weapons system the US every fielded.

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:20:00 PM EDT

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nice

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:26:20 PM EDT

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Im just waiting till they start testing " rods from god".......

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:32:22 PM EDT

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If you're over 40, are you too old for this MOS?

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:40:22 PM EDT

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Can someone explain why the cheap
Russian B-1 Knockoff is still "Nuclear Capable" and our B-1 is NOT??

I was hoping with us getting out of that stupid treaty with those Rooskers, we could
"Make Our B-1 Nuclear Again".... Please chime in and school me on this... I'm a layman that doesn't want to see the BONE get tossed aside... And I am a BUFF fan btw...

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:44:37 PM EDT

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This was a FU message to China.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/US-pulls-out-of-intermediate-range-missile-treaty-with-Russia-to-deploy-missiles-that-stop-China/5-2243024/

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:47:06 PM EDT

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Sure would be nice if they were testing something with newer than 70s era tech

Posted: 8/19/2019 4:52:51 PM EDT

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Pershing 2 was the most advanced weapons system the US every fielded.

And it scared the ever-loving jeebies out of the Soviet command structure because we could first-strike decapitate them and there wasn't enough time for them to get to their bunkers outside of Moskva.

Posted: 8/19/2019 5:01:31 PM EDT

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The missile was armed with a conventional, not nuclear, warhead.

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Pretty sure we all assumed that.

Posted: 8/19/2019 5:02:14 PM EDT

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is this a GLCM thread?

As a child of the 80's I desired to live in my own GAMA complex.

Posted: 8/19/2019 5:05:27 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/19/2019 5:11:52 PM EDT

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Can someone explain why the cheap
Russian B-1 Knockoff is still "Nuclear Capable" and our B-1 is NOT??

I was hoping with us getting out of that stupid treaty with those Rooskers, we could
"Make Our B-1 Nuclear Again".... Please chime in and school me on this... I'm a layman that doesn't want to see the BONE get tossed aside... And I am a BUFF fan btw...

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If I remember, that was the deal we agreed to, we always gave up more than the Soviet because our stuff worked.
They might have two of the copy’s than will still work, but they would be like clubbing baby seals for a f22

Posted: 8/19/2019 5:15:08 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/19/2019 5:16:08 PM EDT

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China is pretty pissed. Russian a is making threats

Posted: 8/19/2019 5:36:14 PM EDT

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Good.

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:20:14 PM EDT

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New US IRBMs would set up our own fortified chain of islands if they were deployed from the Philipines , Senakakus, Ryukyus, and Korea. A real kick in China`s strategic nuts would be placing them in Taiwan and/or Viet Nam.

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:28:25 PM EDT

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Anymore W23's in storage?

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:31:09 PM EDT

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oh well...………...

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:32:22 PM EDT

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Ground launched Tomahawk? Wasn’t aware we did those. I guess I know why, now.

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:39:27 PM EDT

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Oh they were a thing then the idiots in DC made it not a thing.

And since their bringing them Back it seems it will contemplate the MLRS and HIMARS systems very well.

Google images

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:45:32 PM EDT

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There are only a few on display. Pima County has one of the only full set ups remaining, IIRC.

GLCM bunkers still exist at RAF Molesworth, UK.

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:51:15 PM EDT

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They might have two of the copy’s than will still work, but they would be like clubbing baby seals for a f22

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Thank you for the clarity... I like to believe if we wanted to, we can Nuke em up on short notice if we had to... I would rather have ALL 3 of our Bombers Nuke Capable if possible...

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:54:37 PM EDT

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When were we able to put a man on the moon? We can't even put one in orbit now.

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:55:34 PM EDT

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We could man-rate the Delta with the stroke of pen. I'd ride a SpaceX bird into orbit. Won't != Can't.

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:59:08 PM EDT

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Seriously?

Posted: 8/19/2019 6:59:17 PM EDT

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Too bad it (GLCM’s) was killed by the totally organic, spontaneous demonstrations by the peace-loving citizens of Greenham Common...

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Posted: 8/19/2019 7:00:23 PM EDT

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Compared to what, MMIII or Trident? Both a generation behind P2.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:01:07 PM EDT

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Whoop whoop!!!

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Cherokees By God (C 2-4IN, 56th FA CMD 1986-88)

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Posted: 8/19/2019 7:01:59 PM EDT

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INF was a good trade. But the deal was dead.

I argued this course of action (withdrawal from INF, deployment of IRBMs to the Pacific) in my Masters' thesis in 2012. Honestly, I also argued for a European carve out to allow both us and the Russians to deploy to the Pacific.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:02:54 PM EDT

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Compared to what, MMIII or Trident? Both a generation behind P2.

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I wasn't taking the piss out of you, its just shocking that a mobile medium range missile

would qualify as the most advanced weapon we ever fielded. I know the P2/GLCM

scared the crap out of the Soviets, but I figured that was because of the decapitation

ability. P2s in South Korea, Japan, the Phillipines, Taiwan and everywhere else

seems like fun.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:04:04 PM EDT

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No shit!

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Posted: 8/19/2019 7:07:45 PM EDT

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Yes, that Great Conservative Statesman, Dick Lugar helped sell us out.

Rot in Hell, Dick!

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Posted: 8/19/2019 7:08:22 PM EDT

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No.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:10:41 PM EDT

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Yes, that Great Conservative Statesman, Dick Lugar helped sell us out.

Rot in Hell, Dick!

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Thing was that our INF covered weapons DID potentially allow the Russians to go an exchange and keep the US and the USSR off the "cities burnt" box score. This dynamic, in turn, always could put into question our willingness to use nukes to defend our NATO allies.

Once weapons were either/or strategic, and exchange would have US strategic equities baked into the calculus, and this paradoxically strengthened the Alliance nuclear card's deterrent.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:11:25 PM EDT

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Pershing 2 was the most advanced weapons system the US every fielded.

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Not really. GLCM and Pershing 2 were planned from the start as bargaining chips to get rid of the SS20 threat. Reagan favored nuclear disarmament, but his way of achieving it was to field the most advanced nuclear weapons possible.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:12:14 PM EDT

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Not really. GLCM and Pershing 2 were planned from the start as bargaining chips to get rid of the SS20 threat. Reagan favored nuclear disarmament, but his way of achieving it was to field the most advanced nuclear weapons possible.

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Source?

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:13:14 PM EDT

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TC

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:14:03 PM EDT

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Not really. GLCM and Pershing 2 were planned from the start as bargaining chips to get rid of the SS20 threat. Reagan favored nuclear disarmament, but his way of achieving it was to field the most advanced nuclear weapons possible.

Source?

I'll have to do some digging. It's been a while.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:14:11 PM EDT

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Pershing 2 was the most advanced weapons system the US every fielded.

Can't wait to see the Pershing III.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:14:47 PM EDT

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Good.

The commies weren’t abiding by that bullshit treaty and neither should we.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:16:00 PM EDT

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Fuck 'em both.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:16:34 PM EDT

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My understanding was that we pursued GLCM/P2 as part of the Third Offset and the ability to hold Soviet targets at risk without using a strategic weapon, but that it morphed into bargaining as Gorbachev was willing to negotiate after Chernenko/Andropov went aggressive into strategic posturing and arms programs.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:19:01 PM EDT

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Thing was that our INF covered weapons DID potentially allow the Russians to go an exchange and keep the US and the USSR off the "cities burnt" box score. This dynamic, in turn, always could put into question our willingness to use nukes to defend our NATO allies.

Once weapons were either/or strategic, and exchange would have US strategic equities baked into the calculus, and this paradoxically strengthened the Alliance nuclear card's deterrent.

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Screech, I love ya like a brother but I’ve had a few beers and can’t, for the life of me, understand what you said.

That’s like math or something...

TC

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:19:48 PM EDT

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Not really. GLCM and Pershing 2 were planned from the start as bargaining chips to get rid of the SS20 threat. Reagan favored nuclear disarmament, but his way of achieving it was to field the most advanced nuclear weapons possible.

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So the Army spent money on a program for over 30 years (P1, P1a, P2) as a bargaining chip?

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Posted: 8/19/2019 7:20:10 PM EDT

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Cherokees By God (C 2-4IN, 56th FA CMD 1986-88)

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Bring back the Pershing 2's!!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/56th_Field_Artillery_Command_SSI.svg/96px-56th_Field_Artillery_Command_SSI.svg.png

Whoop whoop!!!
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326076/475246_4805032398986_905640387_o_jpg-1060306.JPG

Cherokees By God (C 2-4IN, 56th FA CMD 1986-88)

ETA NOT on static display.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326076/pershing_ii_02_jpg-1060315.JPG

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:21:21 PM EDT

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Screech, I love ya like a brother but I’ve had a few beers and can’t, for the life of me, understand what you said.

That’s like math or something...

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I'm drinking and cooking at the same time so I'm having to be brief.

I should be getting ready for my Systems, EPs, Flows and call-outs tests that are coming sooner than later.

And working on my French.

Posted: 8/19/2019 7:23:28 PM EDT

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after the two world powers abandoned a long-standing treaty earlier this month.

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Fake news strikes again. Russia abandoned it years ago, we just pretended it was still a valid treaty.

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