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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:27:59 PM EDT
[#1]
More about signal? How do groups work? Best to use real name or fake names?
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More about signal? How do groups work? Best to use real name or fake names? It also does encrypted audio and video chat. The audio chat is great, the video chat is not up to the same quality as facetime, but it works. I don't use a fake name but it might not be the worst idea. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:32:32 PM EDT
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Is your phone/tablet/ computer back doored? If yes then..
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is your phone/tablet/ computer back doored? If yes then.. In English? |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:34:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is your phone/tablet/ computer back doored? If yes then.. of course nothing is secure 100% But signal makes it at least sporty for them. Plain txt capture is boring. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:35:21 PM EDT
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Do both parties need to use it? I imagine so.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In English? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is your phone/tablet/ computer back doored? If yes then.. In English? He's trying to scare people into not using secure coms because it might not be secure if your device is compromised. Which is true. But it's fucking better than nothing |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:35:48 PM EDT
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It has replaced WhatsApp for communicating with deployed folks. WhatsApp is sooooooo 2019.
Got a buddy on his way to Iraq and Signal is how we chat as well as how his battalion staff chat. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:35:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do both parties need to use it? I imagine so. Yes |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:35:55 PM EDT
[#10]
We are now considered Domestic Terrorists.
The .gov will be cracking down very shortly on ANYTHING that is online and encrypted, that is not directly related to your specific business needs, such as financials or health records. I guarantee there will be nothing by the end of the year that is a secure way to communicate personal messaging. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:36:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do both parties need to use it? I imagine so. Yes Fuck it, I'm reaching out to a few buddies to see if they want to swap from hangouts to Signal. Has to be more secure than Hangouts. Thanks for the heads up, OP and HondaCiv! |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:38:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:39:02 PM EDT
[#14]
I’ve heard more than once about that. Downloading
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:39:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Signal is a good solution. You can verify the other person when you're in physical contact by scanning their code.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:39:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are now considered Domestic Terrorists. The .gov will be cracking down very shortly on ANYTHING that is online and encrypted, that is not directly related to your specific business needs, such as financials or health records. I guarantee there will be nothing by the end of the year that is a secure way to communicate personal messaging. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:41:22 PM EDT
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 How Signal Instant Messaging Protocol Works (& WhatsApp etc) - Computerphile Best to learn how something works before trusting it. Just because you're encrypted does not mean you know who's on the other end. Signal is good to go if you verify your safety numbers.(which it will inform you if they change) |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are now considered Domestic Terrorists. The .gov will be cracking down very shortly on ANYTHING that is online and encrypted, that is not directly related to your specific business needs, such as financials or health records. I guarantee there will be nothing by the end of the year that is a secure way to communicate personal messaging. Lol, no. RSA is 100ish lines of code. I could write it from memory. Can't stop the signal. The weak point is your device. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:44:08 PM EDT
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Need to start a thread called the Lost Art of Carrier Pigeons or maybe Lost Art of Smoke Signals.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:44:53 PM EDT
[#20]
Meh.
Just don't say secure shit on lines or networks that don't 100% belong to you. OPSEC/COMSEC/PERSEC. It's like rule 1 of the Four Rules... assume every gun is loaded, assume every outside comm channel is compromised. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More about signal? How do groups work? Best to use real name or fake names? Quote HistoryQuoted: More about signal? How do groups work? Best to use real name or fake names? Groups work like any other group text. Use whatever name blows your skirt up Quoted: Do both parties need to use it? I imagine so. For end-to-end encryption and supported features, yes. For basic SMS/MMS, no. I've been using Signal as default messaging app for years. Encrypted with other Signal users and plan SMS/MMS with everyone else. Signal also does voice & video chat as well and I've used it a bit as well |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:45:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In English? Androids and windows, mac, ios etc all should be assumed to allow gvt backdoor access to your device so anything you can see is monitored and logged. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:46:12 PM EDT
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The first rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS.
The second rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has replaced WhatsApp for communicating with deployed folks. WhatsApp is sooooooo 2019. Got a buddy on his way to Iraq and Signal is how we chat as well as how his battalion staff chat. Good, especially since WhatsApp just went full Facebook (much like Oculus did) WhatsApp and Facebook |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:46:45 PM EDT
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Signal is great. illumy.com is also great (includes e2e messaging and support for email, calling, video, etc..)
ETA: illumy supports p2p and group chat |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:46:57 PM EDT
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we should make a keybase.io channel/group/whatever its called
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS. The second rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS. Great. Now, for the other 99.99% of your life, computers might be involved, and it might be nice to have a modern end-to-end app on it. If you don't use Signal to call your grandpops to argue about the will, now's a good time to show him how. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:49:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Do we have a signal or telegram group that we can use as an unofficial communication backup?
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:49:51 PM EDT
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I use Wickr Me and used it to send a possible boogaloo alert to a fellow member yesterday as soon as the session was recessed and arfcom went down.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:53:56 PM EDT
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Signal will secure your.....errr....signal. The data will be unimpeachable end-to-end.
Which is why they (the THEY they) don't try to decrypt it in real-time. They go after the other end. If you aren't 100% on the person you are talking to....don't add them to a Signal convo. If the other person's phone is unsecured (whether that's the wife unit monitoring it or the Sheriff's department looking over his shoulder), Signal doesn't matter. If your phone has a nosy app that's either logging your comms or sending them to Agent Smith....Signal doesn't matter. Tradecraft counts as much as technology. Don't do sensitive comms with someone you aren't 100% on. Don't do sensitive comms on the same phone you do your Instacart orders on (or browse Pornhub, Google, or Arfcom on). Go get a burner phone and cash prepay data/minutes, at a Wally-World two counties over, while wearing your COVID mask. That's the phone you wanna use (and it should be OFF most of the time). |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:59:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. Just don't say secure shit on lines or networks that don't 100% belong to you. OPSEC/COMSEC/PERSEC. It's like rule 1 of the Four Rules... assume every gun is loaded, assume every outside comm channel is compromised. If Google is on your phone it's listening to you. I was watching season 1 of shark tank and decided to look up some of the company's to see if they exist today. One of the company's name was washed up Hollywood. I only typed washed in the search bar and the first search suggestion was washed up Hollywood. I never said their name out loud but it was said maybe a couple of times on the TV. I always knew apple was listening because of siri. But that shit freaked me out. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:02:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have been having that wet dream for 30 years. The cat is out of the bag and not going back in. Strong encryption is basically so ubiquitous at this point that scanning the wire for it to find "violators" would be impossible. Everything required to do it is open source and fairly easy to get working. For example, if Signal were banned from the app store tomorrow, I could take the source code I have downloaded, compile it on a Mac and sideload it onto my phone without much issue. The genie isn't going back in the bottle. It is the codemaker/codebreaker battle that has always gone on. This time, though, with the Left in charge of basically everything, they will take other avenues to make it as hard as possible, to almost impossible to use for anything remotely worthwhile. Yes, from an absolutely technical standpoint you are correct. But. Watch privacy laws begin vanishing. (can't have sneaky domestic terrorists in our midst, if you aren't one, why are you worried...that's all we are looking for) Watch regulations change with what you can load on your phone (see how vehicle manufacturers and government are working together to make modifying your car or ECU difficult or illegal) Watch carriers work hand in hand with government to do everything they can to prevent it (MDM forced onto all phones for some reason or another, probably medical records/vax data that you will be required to have on your phone at all times) Watch manufacturers attempt to find ways to enforce what can be loaded on phones (only approved apps that have the proper markers in the code that match hardcoded info in the chipset so they will function...we are only trying to keep you safe) The technology and ability to be secure are there. The problem is the entirety of the links around it are not under your control, but you are under theirs. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:02:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Signal will secure your.....errr....signal. The data will be unimpeachable end-to-end. Which is why they (the THEY they) don't try to decrypt it in real-time. They go after the other end. If you aren't 100% on the person you are talking to....don't add them to a Signal convo. If the other person's phone is unsecured (whether that's the wife unit monitoring it or the Sheriff's department looking over his shoulder), Signal doesn't matter. If your phone has a nosy app that's either logging your comms or sending them to Agent Smith....Signal doesn't matter. Tradecraft counts as much as technology. Don't do sensitive comms with someone you aren't 100% on. Don't do sensitive comms on the same phone you do your Instacart orders on (or browse Pornhub, Google, or Arfcom on). Go get a burner phone and cash prepay data/minutes, at a Wally-World two counties over, while wearing your COVID mask. That's the phone you wanna use (and it should be OFF most of the time). There is of course the enormous area in-between 1)asking your wife what size "big" tomato sauce is; 2) exchanging state secrets. For me it was when we had kids and were constantly having to send each other information like SSN, insurance passwords, etc |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:05:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS. The second rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS. Yes, especially the one you carry around in your pocket. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:05:42 PM EDT
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Maybe ARFCOM buy the rights to BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) for use on all platforms?
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:13:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Nah bro just get some $19.99 BOW FANGS and send it on all the channels . Do you even prep ? You need BOW FANGS who cares if the CCP is recording all of your conversations they are only 19.99
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great. Now, for the other 99.99% of your life, computers might be involved, and it might be nice to have a modern end-to-end app on it. If you don't use Signal to call your grandpops to argue about the will, now's a good time to show him how. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The first rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS. The second rule of fight club is NO FUCKING COMPUTERS. Great. Now, for the other 99.99% of your life, computers might be involved, and it might be nice to have a modern end-to-end app on it. If you don't use Signal to call your grandpops to argue about the will, now's a good time to show him how. The subject of this thread isn't 99.99% of your life, it is "It is time we all start thinking about ways to secure our communications with our compatriots." Y'all do what you want, but fuck around while carrying a cell phone and find out. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:29:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah bro just get some $19.99 BOW FANGS and send it on all the channels . Do you even prep ? You need BOW FANGS who cares if the CCP is recording all of your conversations they are only 19.99 You sound like all the other bitter HAMS |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:33:15 PM EDT
[#39]
Wicker Me
Protonmail Tutanota Retroshare |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:38:45 PM EDT
[#40]
This and a HAM radio.
 Or run a pi computer and linux running off a SD card that's encrypted and end to end encrypted comms. I'm sure there are better solutions as well. Secure comms are hard. Not necessarily in equipment but in dedication and practice. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:39:08 PM EDT
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"It is open source and the source code has been audited for chicanery"
How do you know the code that is running on your device is the same code that was "audited for chicanery" ? |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:41:57 PM EDT
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I've been doing it for years... (Ham freq just to drive certain people up the wall
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:43:30 PM EDT
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This is an awesome matrix that was created to compare secure applications.
https://inteltechniques.com/messaging.html It compares apps for messaging, e-mail, voice, and video. It was created by the guy that runs the Privacy, Security, and OSINT podcast. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:45:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "It is open source and the source code has been audited for chicanery" How do you know the code that is running on your device is the same code that was "audited for chicanery" ? The answer you seek is cryptographic signature. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:47:07 PM EDT
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I don't think there's a single platform or system I would trust to be truly secure.
Certainly none I would trust to be anonymous. And most things it doesn't matter what you're saying, but how much you're saying it and to whom. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:47:08 PM EDT
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I’m sure a few people don’t want to hear this, like most of what I have to say, but encryption isn’t effective against certain organizations with the tools, and knowledge of how they work.
Thinking they are is a recipe for disaster. I’ll leave now. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:48:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The answer you seek is cryptographic signature. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "It is open source and the source code has been audited for chicanery" How do you know the code that is running on your device is the same code that was "audited for chicanery" ? The answer you seek is cryptographic signature. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:48:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure a few people don’t want to hear this, like most of what I have to say, but encryption isn’t effective against certain organizations with the tools, and knowledge of how they work. Thinking they are is a recipe for disaster. I’ll leave now. Still a thousand times better than nothing. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe ARFCOM buy the rights to BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) for use on all platforms? You mean the messaging app that the feds have the ABSOLUTE BEST TECHNICAL UNDERSTANDING of? Hell, when I was a juror on a murder trial, I had a specific binder FILLED with nothing but BBM messages between the drug dealer/gangster defendant and everyone he spoke to. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:49:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are now considered Domestic Terrorists. The .gov will be cracking down very shortly on ANYTHING that is online and encrypted, that is not directly related to your specific business needs, such as financials or health records. I guarantee there will be nothing by the end of the year that is a secure way to communicate personal messaging. Yep, talk with your friends face to face and leave the electronics home. |
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