The goal is redistribution of wealth

If everyone burns down, the insurance companies will go broke.

Covid19 failed
Can't nuke people (yet)
So large forest fires to destroy cities is the easiest way.


Once the insurance money runs out everyone is equal, cant rebuild weathly homes. More people to live modest and smaller homes.


Easiest way to start a war without using guns.
Just burn everyone down and move out.

Common to the list of mental problems these antifa types have is a fascination with fire. Add animal torture to the list as well.

They seem to recruit the criminal type. So it may not be an organizational mission but just criminals acting on the experience that Antifa gives them political cover to do criminal stuff. Politicians encouraging and protecting Antifa violence have a lot to blame too.

Daughter's family lives across the street from the level 3 area in Molalla. She's got the kids and dog with family elsewhere and she's heading back to get more stuff to haul out. She said that Colton is being abandoned and that's got her worked up. I offered to help but I'm 6 hours away and she'll be done getting stuff long before I get there.

Based just on the 3 Kyle shot, pedophilia is on the list as well.

These people don't see in terms of Redstate Bluestate, Democrat and Republican the way most do. There's only them and those who join them in violent socialist revolution.  

The rest of us...

I live on the east side of Stayton.  It's been an interesting three days.  Outside my window right now looks like fucking Bladrunner 2049, without the holographic sex bots.  

I know multiple people who lost their homes.  I live on a dead end street, and I was the only one who didn't clear out on Tuesday.  About half the homeowners are back now.  We're still at Level 2 (prepare for evacuation) and all the shit I don't care to lose is staged right by the door and I can be out of here in less than 10.  

As far as I know they still haven't started any sort of official or coordinated S&R operations in the Santiam Canyon, but the Marion County Sheriff's Office reported last night that they have been "inundated" with calls for missing persons and calls from relatives who cannot make contact with loved ones in the area.  On top of that, cell service in the area has been shitty for the last two days.  

Now we've got looters, too.  

A friend of my son lives out on Fern Ridge Rd.  They're about halfway between Stayton and what used to be Gene's Meat Market (yeah, that's just a fucking metal roof in the middle of the lot now), just past that first set of big curves.  Her family beat feet in the wee hours of Tuesday morning.  Yesterday her stepdad went back to grab a few other things.  Their front door was kicked in.  They'd been robbed, and on top of that the fucks vandalized and busted up the house pretty good, too.  

As I said, Gene's is gone.  Hopefully not too many people lost their year's worth of beef, pork, or game that was in the cooler waiting for processing or pick up.  Contrary to previous reports, last I saw, the Gingerbread House was still there.  Swiss Village, or what used to be Swiss Village before they shut down years ago is what burned.  

The portion of Lyons along Jennie Rd got hit hard.  

Mill City got it pretty bad.  

Gates, I'm told, is just fucking gone.  

I'd agree with previous posters who said Detroit is 80% destroyed.  I don't think a single business survived.  Most of the houses are just ash and a foundation, maybe a chimney.  A local realtor who knows everyone in that area posted videos to her FB account and made them public, about 20 of them between 1 and 5 minutes each.  It's her driving around Detroit calling out the names of each property owner with a shot of the lots and what's left so people can see if they lost everything.  PM me and I can give you her name to search on FB.  

That fire has been burning since 08/16.  Nothing has been done by our governor.  Anyone with half a brain could see that it had the potential to burn right down the canyon, even without the unusual winds.  She did nothing.  Who cares, I suppose, since it's just a couple of podunky towns full of conservative voters and vacation homes for right-wing Trump supporters.  The NG has FINALLY been activated, but it's too little too late if you live in any of the towns in the canyon since they probably won't show up until Monday.

I grew up in Scio.  I know that area really well.   It's terrible to see it all burning down.

The part that "our side" seems to be having a difficult time grasping.

Makes my blood boil.  

I watched Sandi's videos yesterday, she is a friend, I wish I could figure out how to post Facebook video here.  I know Detroit for the most part is indeed gone, cops have shut down the access now from what I am hearing. Buddy of mine has a son with the Sheriff and they are saying there could be 50-100 people dead up the canyon. I was heading up to help look for that missing Boy yesterday when we got the word that his body had been found. I fear there will be many more once they start going house by house up there.

If you want to learn about that war, spend some time in this thread. We are blessed that our freedoms make their playbook less effective but we can’t continue to assume everything will be ok. Know your enemy.

It breaks my heart.  On Sunday the wife and I took the kids up to Clear Lake to hike around it and do some paddleboarding/kayaking.  We drove through those little towns just two days before they were gone.  The Santiam Canyon is one of the most beautiful drives in any time of year.  Winter you get the snow on the evergreens, in the spring everything is coming to life, in the summer it's green and the river is low enough that the whitewater is really striking, and in the fall when the deciduous trees are turning they contrast amazingly with the evergreens.  

Weyerhauser and the Forest Service have been shutting down massive amounts of the public lands up there, but it's still a beautiful place to visit with so much to do if you love the outdoors.  Now, it's just a fucking smoky wreck.  And regardless of the rebuilding of private property, the government at both the state and federal level won't clear out the burned stuff.  It'll sit there looking like the mother nature version of fucking Stalingrad.

I'm 46.  I've lived on the east side of Salem in Marion County my entire life.  Nothing like this has happened in living memory.  Luckily for us we have a strong, powerful woman at the helm of this state who has done sweet fuckall to stop or even slow this.  

And this story is unfolding not just in the Santiam Canyon.  It's all up and down the I-5 Corridor, from Silver Falls State Park north to fucking Estacada, and out between Grand Ronde and Lincoln City.  People who have never been here have no idea what's being destroyed.  And that's just nature.  We also have hundreds of families who lost not vacation homes, but their only home.  That kid who burned to death?  Roger Tofte's grandson?  From what I was told they didn't get any notification and the fire was on them  The family just got outside and everyone got split up.  The kid and dog chose the wrong direction, probably blinded by smoke and darkness and certainly scared shitless.  I know I would have been.  I'm afraid of how many stories there are like that that we just haven't heard yet because this is still unfolding.

Those videos are hard to watch.  I've got friends who own second homes or property in Detroit.  Some lost it, others didn't.  I recognized more names that Sandi called out in front of ash heaps than I care to.

This makes me so sad. I was probably never going to move back, but I have a major soft spot for Oregon and always will. I traveled all those areas regularly for sports growing up, and to goof on in Detroit.
My parents house is near Molalla like the poster above. Fire is too close for comfort. Stay safe guys.

I'm probably 5 minutes away from you. We stayed during this whole thing: staged what we're taking and have been trying to get any info we can. Blade Runner is a pretty good description of how it looks here. Just think of your favorite post apocalyptic hellscape and that's our skyline for the past few days.
Your 100% right about our worthless Gov. Her and her idiotic forestry policies caused this and I don't expect her to do a damn thing to help.
Stay safe, man.

I don't know but I'll ask. I don't know him well yet. He's friend of friend and in need plus my wife is a sucker for kids. He was understandably pretty spun up yesterday. I gave him a huge omelette and my best tall fire boots and sent him off to see what is up.

Friend in the OREGON Guard is frustrated. 375 Guardsmen trained in firefighting. Governor hates military so refuses to activate them!

Try to be aware of your surroundings everyone.  Watch out for the little details. What ever you think caused this there is just no substitute for situational awareness. You might find out your right. You might find out your wrong. Either way sure beats not surviving whatever is next in 2020.

And the Cunt said she wasn't sending the Guard to Portland because she was holding them in reserve for fires. Lying bitch.

Yeah, people who've never spent time there have no idea what's being lost. I've always wanted to move to central OR and just never got the right job opportunity to make it happen. I spent most of my life in rural areas of W.WA., most recently Key peninsula.

I would drive from there to the McKenzie valley a couple times a year to camp and fish and soak in the springs back before so many people knew about them, just loved that area.

We live in Salem pretty close to Hwy 22 where the fire is at. I took some pictures of the smoke Tuesday and it was orange and in the later afternoon a dark dark red. Like something out of a post apocalyptic movie. I even took my little 3 year old boy up to silver falls less then a week ago to hike around. Its pretty crazy.

I talked to some of our customers this morning that we support that live down Hwy 22 and a number of them have had their houses burned to the ground. Nothing is left.

My wife grew up down in that area and their old house is burnt to the ground. Her family owned Poppa Al's Famous Hamburgers for a long time - I think its still sanding. None of them live down there now but its crazy to see it all get burnt up.

I made three trips to that part of Oregon when I was a kid, from '76 to about 1980. I fell in love with the beauty of the area and planned to move there after I graduated. I never went back although I still have two sisters there. It's heartbreaking to watch it being destroyed.

I have a friend high up in the guard and they told me they activated 500 troops on Tuesday to help with the fire. They probably have them sweeping ash off capital or something though.

They gave the 72 hour WARNO yesterday and are pulling everyone they can Red Card or not to assist. At the same time this is the governments fault for the shit contracts they negotiated this year. Compare the list for the last 3 year contract to this one and you won't even see half the assets avaible for region 6. The company Im with finally had 3 pickups activated, but probably won't be activating the dozers.

Probably not him then.  He only has one kid.  He's done some FB live this morning, went in to check his property, and his wife drove the quad out.  Another shooting friend is near the golf course in Molalla, more friends east of Scio on Rodger's Mountain, friends in SweetHome, and near Sandy.

I was in Bend last weekend for a USPSA match, and took 22 through Mill City/Detroit and back, and we could see Lion's Head from Millican all the way back until just outside of Sisters.  We usually take 22 to Central Oregon, as its less twisty than 20, with more places to pass slow people, or we take 126 along the McKenzie.

Ag, look up Cloward-Piven and the overloading of resources...many reasons communist agitators would do this.

Damn.

They are using the felon/tweaker class to do their dirty work.

Just got word that Lincoln City is under level 3 evacuation orders!

Scanner chattrer in Stayton is saying they just caught a couple antifa types on golf club road and Hwy 22 setting a fire. Trying to confirm as that's 1 mile from my place

yes they caught them. one had 5 warrants out for him. the k9 bite one of them.

I've got a friend who's parents live just outside of Aumsville.  They're on a little dead end roadway that runs parallel to 22.  Yesterday morning apparently there was a fire out of nowhere at the end of their road in the grass.  It got put out within minutes, but there were no other fires anywhere nearby that this could have sprung off of.  The nearest uncontrolled fire a that time was a good 15 miles away.  However, to get to this road you'd just have to take the Aumsville exit and drive like 1/4 mile.  About the same distance you'd have to drive if you took the golf club exit to start a fire near the golf club.

So it is antifa that is starting these fires?

That f'n sucks.  When I was in the Redmond Cav' unit years ago I used to stop at those places on my way in on Friday nights and again on Sunday while driving home.  What a shame.

I'm here in Fallscity and the smoke is thick as hell today.  I've got a line of evergreens about 500FT across the road I live on and right now they're just a slightly darker blur than the hill they sit on top of.

Backroads supposedly are open just because there's not the manpower to close them all.  22 has downed trees all over it, but most have been chainsawed open with room for one vehicle.  From what I've been told trees are continuing to fall.

The Biscuit Fire in 2002 burned over half a million acres, and is the largest wildfire in Oregon history.  Beachie Creek, Lion's Head, and Riverside fires will merge and are already around 420,000 acres.  Holiday Farm fire is just under 145,000 acres.

Red is Level 3 leave now evacuation.  Yellow is Level 2, prepare to leave.  Green is Level 1. Nearly all of Clackamas County is under some level of Wildfire threat warning.  Marion County below, then Linn and Lane down to Hwy 58.

I've lived here 23 years, and it has never been this bad, or so close to populated areas.

Still after one



Marion County

I'd love to know more details of the warrants.  If it's petty shit from the past two or three years, that's one thing.  If it's shit from Portland over the last three months, that's another.

$1000 bond is all for that pos that was setting fires

Local man to King/Pierce County arrested while starting a fire in the median of Hwy 167 in Puyallup, Bond set at $1000. Jeff Acord, a 36 year old male, and a local man to the Pierce County area, was arrested this afternoon in the median of Highway 167 (Hwy 167), while attempting to start another fire. WSP, Puyallup PD and Fife PD joined together as a joint effort to take the man into custody. He is being held at the City Jail on a $1000 bond. It is speculated at this time that he is a suspect in multiple other fires in the area but are still investigating further.

https://bellinghammetronews.com/news/puyallup-man-arrested-while-starting-fire-bond-set-at-1000/

Plenty of those around here

Being an Oregon native from Klamath falls, Watching the smoke blow over my house Monday Tuesday, listening to clackamas county Fire crews on the scanner. Watching the news last night and seeing the footage from around the state I got a bit Choked up. Seeing my Beautiful State burn because of the liberal bitch Governor and her fucking mental illness about let it burn.   Fuck me im pissed

I hope all the arsonists are rounded up and they get down to whether it was organized or not. All involved should be hung slow. Governor needs to be recalled.

I have an acquaintance in the guard.  He's been going nuts.  He's had guys calling him since Monday night wanting to know when they can come and get going on this fire.  He told me he could have 75 guys in vehicles on the road up the canyon to man fire lines in less than 8 hours if the bureaucracy would permit it.  However, he said as of now it'll be late Monday before they get anyone on site to do anything becuase of all the paperwork and hassle.  

Kate Brown hates the Guard.  This is no secret.  She also hates spending money on them.  Why would she want to spend the better part of a million bucks to save tens of millions of dollars worth of homes that belong to people who won't vote for her?

If caught "red handed" a summary execution on the roadside would be justified by most folks.

Medford - fake news - NO arrests have been made. I have confirmed this now 2x with MPD detectives and each has commented that both Antifa and Proudboys were fake news stories floating around.

If anyone had any doubts, this should erase them.
It is war.

I hear some scanner chatter from local law enforcement that they are “ patrolling areas “  fucking looting scum ??