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Posted: 2/24/2020 2:36:37 PM EDT

Published in Salon magazine, an article by the managing editor of Jacobin, a publication founded by Bhaskar Sunkara, AOC’s campaign manager.

Long read, but we must know our enemy’s thinking in detail.

Eric Blanc offers a similar formulation. Eventually, after the Left has won significant gains at the ballot box and in civil society, the capitalist class will take the gloves off against socialists and do whatever it takes to destroy our movement. We'll need to fight back. The democratic road to socialism seeks not to elide this confrontation, but to make it possible. To replace capitalism with socialism, writes Blanc, "(a) socialists should fight to win a socialist universal suffrage electoral majority in government/parliament and (b) socialists must expect that serious anti-capitalist change will necessarily require extra-parliamentary mass action like a general strike and a revolution to defeat the inevitable sabotage and resistance of the ruling class."

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Bernie is just the beginning

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:37:24 PM EDT

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Boogie bois, ASSEMBLE....

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:38:31 PM EDT

[#2]

In before "I'm your huckleberry"...

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:39:10 PM EDT

[#3]

It's their wet dream. Socialist rag of reporting.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:39:40 PM EDT

[#4]

I will die before I have a red flag raised above me.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:42:14 PM EDT

[#5]

Live on your knees or die on your feet?

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:42:48 PM EDT

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You can vote your way into communism but you have to shoot your way out of it.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:44:04 PM EDT

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Mao has written about this and it worked for the commies in China. They are talking about the "final phase" or the "crisis phase" where things go kinetic. They are not frightened by this idea and on the contrary understand that it is necessary.

But they will not be reacting to capitalist aggression or "counter revolutionary violence"...the left will be the ones initiating the violence. They will start the fight.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:44:21 PM EDT

[#8]

Give them free fentanyl, they will solve the problem themselves.
It will just go away.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:44:36 PM EDT

[#9]

Vanguard commies make the best good commies.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:44:43 PM EDT

[#10]

Guess the leftists were not paying attention to Virginia's Lobby Day rally on January 20th. They have no clue of what they're asking for...

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:44:44 PM EDT

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The comments section is entertaining, socialism is getting its ass kicked. I don't think this is going the way Salon expected it to go...

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:44:58 PM EDT

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Yes, and it will be very nasty

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:48:55 PM EDT

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The first time antifa jackasses get shot at, they will run crying for mommy.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:48:56 PM EDT

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I’m not saying a certain someone needs to be made an example of, but......Shit, I left the toaster on

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:49:29 PM EDT

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".... an article by the managing editor of Jacobin, a publication founded by Bhaskar Sunkara, AOC’s campaign manager."

In other words, just a bunch of BS spewed by the Useful Idiot Alexandria Occasional-Cortex, who represents maybe 5% of the democrat/communists in the entire country. So, one pipsqueak chants "Viva La Revoluccion! Por La Burra!!" And the entire country is supposed to cower in fear? Yeah right.

Uh, no. Not impressed. Nor the least bit concerned about a Revolution or insurrection led by that.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:50:19 PM EDT

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Do it already faggots, I want this sorted out in my time so my kids can grow up in a country that is free from commie PC SJW horseshit.

It will be my sacred duty to kill every commie and commie-lite that I find.

And I’d enjoy it.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:50:39 PM EDT

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I think those middle of the road democrat voters are starting figure out they are going to have a legit communist leading with delegates.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:51:31 PM EDT

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I'm curious how many self-styled "Socialists" or "Democratic Socialists" accurately understand the definitions of Socialism and Capitalism.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:53:12 PM EDT

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The comments section is entertaining, socialism is getting its ass kicked. I don't think this is going the way Salon expected it to go...

I think those middle of the road democrat voters are starting figure out they are going to have a legit communist leading with delegates.

which is gonna be interesting if Trump takes advantage of that to portray the 2020 election as "The American Way Of Life versus Communism/Socialism."

There are a lot of disaffected non-socialist moderate Democrats (yes they exist) who could be enticed to stay home or (dare I say) vote for Trump to keep a collectivist out of the White House

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:53:58 PM EDT

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Not while I'm alive!

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:55:26 PM EDT

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That's some real old school Marxist class-warfare language.

I would love to see a list of countries that the authors considers to currently be socialist.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:57:37 PM EDT

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You expect anything else from the managing editor of a magazine entitled “Jacobin”?

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:57:50 PM EDT

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It would seem that the berntards intend to shoot their way into communism too.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:00:39 PM EDT

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That's some real old school Marxist class-warfare language.

I would love to see a list of countries that the authors considers to currently be socialist.

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You’re right, this is unadulterated orthodox Marxism.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:02:39 PM EDT

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I'm curious how many self-styled "Socialists" or "Democratic Socialists" accurately understand the definitions of Socialism and Capitalism.

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Probably only a few.

That said the article's author is quite aware.

He believes there is no going back to allowing the people to have any control because of the money in politics. The solution is to punish capitalists for taking advantage of the system.

Similar anger at the ruling and elite class but a completely different solution and away from individual liberty to ultimate government control.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:08:46 PM EDT

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which is gonna be interesting if Trump takes advantage of that to portray the 2020 election as "The American Way Of Life versus Communism/Socialism."

There are a lot of disaffected non-socialist moderate Democrats (yes they exist) who could be enticed to stay home or (dare I say) vote for Trump to keep a collectivist out of the White House

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The comments section is entertaining, socialism is getting its ass kicked. I don't think this is going the way Salon expected it to go...

I think those middle of the road democrat voters are starting figure out they are going to have a legit communist leading with delegates.

which is gonna be interesting if Trump takes advantage of that to portray the 2020 election as "The American Way Of Life versus Communism/Socialism."

There are a lot of disaffected non-socialist moderate Democrats (yes they exist) who could be enticed to stay home or (dare I say) vote for Trump to keep a collectivist out of the White House

If the numbers from Trump rallies that Brad Parscale (SP) boasts about are accurate that means 17-25% of democrats are ready to vote for Trump.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:11:45 PM EDT

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That's some real old school Marxist class-warfare language.

I would love to see a list of countries that the authors considers to currently be socialist.

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Exactly.

I thought it was the same text of the mildewed newspapers the socialists would had out in the student center back when I was in college in the 80s.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:18:41 PM EDT

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Comrade Sanders definitely does, it probably works better than Viagra for him, just the thought of it.

Most of his fans, probably don't realize how bad it would be.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:20:19 PM EDT

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I see the former happening in America but sadly not the latter.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:23:21 PM EDT

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"elide?"

Their script seems...familiar.

I move we drop the ban hammer on them, hard.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:23:42 PM EDT

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which is gonna be interesting if Trump takes advantage of that to portray the 2020 election as "The American Way Of Life versus Communism/Socialism."

There are a lot of disaffected non-socialist moderate Democrats (yes they exist) who could be enticed to stay home or (dare I say) vote for Trump to keep a collectivist out of the White House

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The comments section is entertaining, socialism is getting its ass kicked. I don't think this is going the way Salon expected it to go...

I think those middle of the road democrat voters are starting figure out they are going to have a legit communist leading with delegates.

which is gonna be interesting if Trump takes advantage of that to portray the 2020 election as "The American Way Of Life versus Communism/Socialism."

There are a lot of disaffected non-socialist moderate Democrats (yes they exist) who could be enticed to stay home or (dare I say) vote for Trump to keep a collectivist out of the White House

Did you notice how the crowd reacted when Bloomberg called Sanders a communist during the debate? They did not like that term. Never mind the fact that he is one.

Trump will beat him over the head with the communist label.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:24:10 PM EDT

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If that ain't a sig line, I don't know what is.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:25:58 PM EDT

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I see the former happening in America but sadly not the latter.

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You can vote your way into communism but you have to shoot your way out of it.

I see the former happening in America but sadly not the latter.

I don't think some folks realize that we had the largest peaceable assembly of armed American citizens in our history a few weeks back.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:26:05 PM EDT

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Mao has written about this and it worked for the commies in China. They are talking about the "final phase" or the "crisis phase" where things go kinetic. They are not frightened by this idea and on the contrary understand that it is necessary.

But they will not be reacting to capitalist aggression or "counter revolutionary violence"...the left will be the ones initiating the violence. They will start the fight.

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And Men and Women that love this Country will do what is necessary to end it.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:26:13 PM EDT

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I'm all for making the guy trying to raise the red flag die instead.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:26:23 PM EDT

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Why do you assume the teeming millions of communists throughout the past century weren't fully aware of what they were pursuing? Because it led directly to the deaths of themselves & their families? These people are true believers, they likely met their end knowing they had to die for Stalin to ring in the socialist utopia, and were happy for it.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:28:25 PM EDT

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Only the Right can be "anti-Government". If the left want to tear everything down in a revolutionary rage, then it's because they are concerned about the working class- whom would die in droves from starvation, violence, loss of income, medical problems not being addressed, etc...

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:30:27 PM EDT

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Why do you assume the teeming millions of communists throughout the past century weren't fully aware of what they were pursuing? Because it led directly to the deaths of themselves & their families? These people are true believers, they likely met their end knowing they had to die for Stalin to ring in the socialist utopia, and were happy for it.

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I'm curious how many self-styled "Socialists" or "Democratic Socialists" accurately understand the definitions of Socialism and Capitalism.

Why do you assume the teeming millions of communists throughout the past century weren't fully aware of what they were pursuing? Because it led directly to the deaths of themselves & their families? These people are true believers, they likely met their end knowing they had to die for Stalin to ring in the socialist utopia, and were happy for it.

There is a difference, they had no history to tell them where things would go which is no longer true.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:31:29 PM EDT

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".... an article by the managing editor of Jacobin, a publication founded by Bhaskar Sunkara, AOC’s campaign manager."

In other words, just a bunch of BS spewed by the Useful Idiot Alexandria Occasional-Cortex, who represents maybe 5% of the democrat/communists in the entire country. So, one pipsqueak chants "Viva La Revoluccion! Por La Burra!!" And the entire country is supposed to cower in fear? Yeah right.

Uh, no. Not impressed. Nor the least bit concerned about a Revolution or insurrection led by that.

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Do you get out much? Are you seeing the traction Sanders is getting? This movement is bigger than just a lunatic fringe.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:33:26 PM EDT

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for this to work, you must first destroy the middle class. the middle class is the bedrock of this country. if you can destroy it, push them all down into the lower classes where you have a few very wealthy folks and the rest are all at the bottom.. THEN what the 'jacobins' wish for will be possible.

btw, what is the largest single yearly cost for a lot of the 'middle class'? health care. load up the middle class with costs like this, push them down and what do you think they will ask for? relief, as in medicare for all (to start). at some point the middle class might just find common cause with the far left in order to deal with the increasing burden the medical industrial complex places on a lot of folks. the MIC should start paying attention, as should the right leaning inhabitants of the 'swamp'.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:34:01 PM EDT

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Used to happen a lot in the Viet Nam war. Soon as the reds were really getting their asses hammered, they'd "call for talks as the negotiation table". It's old hat for them.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:36:42 PM EDT

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Now, where did I out that Hawaiian shirt...

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:37:03 PM EDT

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Attached File

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:37:11 PM EDT

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The scenario makes no sense.

When you've voted in welfare and affirmative action for everyone nobody is taking a bullet for the cause.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:37:46 PM EDT

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They're afraid we will use the same tactics they used in the 60s and 70s.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:43:16 PM EDT

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I'm thinking about giving out my address. If they would all come on the same day it would be a bit better for me.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:43:29 PM EDT

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In before "I'm your huckleberry"...

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I drink your milkshake.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:45:05 PM EDT

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which is gonna be interesting if Trump takes advantage of that to portray the 2020 election as "The American Way Of Life versus Communism/Socialism."

There are a lot of disaffected non-socialist moderate Democrats (yes they exist) who could be enticed to stay home or (dare I say) vote for Trump to keep a collectivist out of the White House

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The comments section is entertaining, socialism is getting its ass kicked. I don't think this is going the way Salon expected it to go...

I think those middle of the road democrat voters are starting figure out they are going to have a legit communist leading with delegates.

which is gonna be interesting if Trump takes advantage of that to portray the 2020 election as "The American Way Of Life versus Communism/Socialism."

There are a lot of disaffected non-socialist moderate Democrats (yes they exist) who could be enticed to stay home or (dare I say) vote for Trump to keep a collectivist out of the White House

I thought that's basically what 2016 was, with so many blue collar union fucks pulling for Trump (or at least abandoning Hillary)? Still, this would be a broader spread of the phenomenon to the down-ballot races.

Posted: 2/24/2020 3:46:03 PM EDT

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Exactly.

I thought it was the same text of the mildewed newspapers the socialists would had out in the student center back when I was in college in the 80s.

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That's some real old school Marxist class-warfare language.

I would love to see a list of countries that the authors considers to currently be socialist.

Exactly.

I thought it was the same text of the mildewed newspapers the socialists would had out in the student center back when I was in college in the 80s.

Dude, they were mildewed by the 1930s