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Posted: 2/20/2018 11:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jestertoo:
I made the cauliflower pizzacrust tonight. I failed at making pizza, but it was till tasty. I think I need to bake the crust a lot longer before putting toppings on it. Drain. Really mash up the chicken. Add an egg, salt, pepper and Parmesan cheese. Flatten out and bake till desired consistency. Then put toppings on. If it is is too salty for you try rinsing the chicken breast. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:25:06 AM EDT
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 Attached FileHere is February so far for me. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:14:32 AM EDT
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had a disappointing meeting with some folks I hadnt seen since last May. Instead of telling me I looked great or congrats on the 80lbs lost or simply saying nothing I got a dozen questions of if I was OK, sick, starving, etc. I was told I looked much older because I had some wrinkles that previously didnt exist (because my face and neck was so fat, thank you very much). Not exactly what I was expecting. I feel better than I have in 30 years but now am concerned I have gone too far. I am not vain but at the same time do care, to a small degree, what others think. I work in a "people" field and image and appearance matter. Anyone else run into this sort of thing when losing a lot of weight? Can you go too far? FTR, I am 50, 6'0", 182 lbs.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:52:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: grady]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
had a disappointing meeting with some folks I hadnt seen since last May. Instead of telling me I looked great or congrats on the 80lbs lost or simply saying nothing I got a dozen questions of if I was OK, sick, starving, etc. I was told I looked much older because I had some wrinkles that previously didnt exist (because my face and neck was so fat, thank you very much). Not exactly what I was expecting. I feel better than I have in 30 years but now am concerned I have gone too far. I am not vain but at the same time do care, to a small degree, what others think. I work in a "people" field and image and appearance matter. Anyone else run into this sort of thing when losing a lot of weight? Can you go too far? FTR, I am 50, 6'0", 182 lbs. I dropped 50 lbs. and I had people telling me I shouldn’t lose any more weight because I didn’t look good and it’s not healthy. But I still had plenty of fat to lose. My response is “so you’re telling me that I need to get fat again to get healthy?” I’ll concede that as a former big guy (used to be lean at 6’2” at over 200) I’d rather be bigger. But that gets fixed under the bar. What’s funny is now that I’ve been in the low-mid 180s for 7 months, I get compliments from the same people. As to your question, it would be really, really hard to go too far absent a real eating disorder. I’m close to your age. Now 185. I’m still at 20% body fat. I’d like to get to below 15% which means I need to drop another 10-12 in fat. I don’t like that weight because it’s not “big” but I will increase it by lifting. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 10:12:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
had a disappointing meeting with some folks I hadnt seen since last May. Instead of telling me I looked great or congrats on the 80lbs lost or simply saying nothing I got a dozen questions of if I was OK, sick, starving, etc. I was told I looked much older because I had some wrinkles that previously didnt exist (because my face and neck was so fat, thank you very much). Not exactly what I was expecting. I feel better than I have in 30 years but now am concerned I have gone too far. I am not vain but at the same time do care, to a small degree, what others think. I work in a "people" field and image and appearance matter. Anyone else run into this sort of thing when losing a lot of weight? Can you go too far? FTR, I am 50, 6'0", 182 lbs. In some of these diet threads people will post their goal/ideal weight. Frequently these weights are still in the chubby range. "Normal" is the new emaciated. If you look at pics from the 40's and 50's you would see mostly very slender people. Even strong strapping working men were slender. People didn't turn into pot bellies when they aged either. WTF is it with all the pot bellies. Even thin people have pot bellies. If I were you I would be the opposite of dissapointed. Those reactions mean you are becoming what you are supposed to be, which is not considered normal in this day and age. Congratulations and keep up the good work. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 10:39:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jestertoo:
I made the cauliflower pizzacrust tonight. I failed at making pizza, but it was till tasty. I think I need to bake the crust a lot longer before putting toppings on it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 11:42:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2018 11:44:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
had a disappointing meeting with some folks I hadnt seen since last May. Instead of telling me I looked great or congrats on the 80lbs lost or simply saying nothing I got a dozen questions of if I was OK, sick, starving, etc. I was told I looked much older because I had some wrinkles that previously didnt exist (because my face and neck was so fat, thank you very much). Not exactly what I was expecting. I feel better than I have in 30 years but now am concerned I have gone too far. I am not vain but at the same time do care, to a small degree, what others think. I work in a "people" field and image and appearance matter. Anyone else run into this sort of thing when losing a lot of weight? Can you go too far? FTR, I am 50, 6'0", 182 lbs. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 11:46:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BCV:
did you try squeezing the water out of the cauliflower first and letting it sit to room temp for about 30 minutes? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BCV:
Originally Posted By jestertoo:
I made the cauliflower pizzacrust tonight. I failed at making pizza, but it was till tasty. I think I need to bake the crust a lot longer before putting toppings on it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:57:14 PM EDT
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What's time limit on fasting? I'm approaching 92 hours of only water and still don't feel hungry.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:00:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rezneck:
What's time limit on fasting? I'm approaching 92 hours of only water and still don't feel hungry. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
had a disappointing meeting with some folks I hadnt seen since last May. Instead of telling me I looked great or congrats on the 80lbs lost or simply saying nothing I got a dozen questions of if I was OK, sick, starving, etc. I was told I looked much older because I had some wrinkles that previously didnt exist (because my face and neck was so fat, thank you very much). Not exactly what I was expecting. I feel better than I have in 30 years but now am concerned I have gone too far. I am not vain but at the same time do care, to a small degree, what others think. I work in a "people" field and image and appearance matter. Anyone else run into this sort of thing when losing a lot of weight? Can you go too far? FTR, I am 50, 6'0", 182 lbs. Even I get comments from people who haven't seen me in a long time. They ask the same questions. I'm still fat by the way at 6'2" 237 lbs @ 36. People were just used to seeing me at or above 300. Even my mom who I see monthly at least voices her concern that I'm losing too much weight. My dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. At the beginning, they were the same people raising concern about my cholesterol or blood pressure. Saying I'm gonna have a heart attack and such. It's like they are trying to find something wrong with what I'm doing in order to make themselves feel better about living in the status quo and not trying to improve their own life. The more I prove them wrong the deeper they dig. It's crazy, but often times its the people close to you who voice the most concern. It's an interesting psychological game they play (and they don't even know their doing it). They can get fucked. I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dupemaster:
It's funny how that happens. People perception of normal these days it so skewed that they think a healthy body weight is a problem. Even I get comments from people who haven't seen me in a long time. They ask the same questions. I'm still fat by the way at 6'2" 237 lbs @ 36. People were just used to seeing me at or above 300. Even my mom who I see monthly at least voices her concern that I'm losing too much weight. My dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. At the beginning, they were the same people raising concern about my cholesterol or blood pressure. Saying I'm gonna have a heart attack and such. It's like they are trying to find something wrong with what I'm doing in order to make themselves feel better about living in the status quo and not trying to improve their own life. The more I prove them wrong the deeper they dig. It's crazy, but often times its the people close to you who voice the most concern. It's an interesting psychological game they play (and they don't even know their doing it). They can get fucked. I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dupemaster:
Originally Posted By 03PSD:
had a disappointing meeting with some folks I hadnt seen since last May. Instead of telling me I looked great or congrats on the 80lbs lost or simply saying nothing I got a dozen questions of if I was OK, sick, starving, etc. I was told I looked much older because I had some wrinkles that previously didnt exist (because my face and neck was so fat, thank you very much). Not exactly what I was expecting. I feel better than I have in 30 years but now am concerned I have gone too far. I am not vain but at the same time do care, to a small degree, what others think. I work in a "people" field and image and appearance matter. Anyone else run into this sort of thing when losing a lot of weight? Can you go too far? FTR, I am 50, 6'0", 182 lbs. Even I get comments from people who haven't seen me in a long time. They ask the same questions. I'm still fat by the way at 6'2" 237 lbs @ 36. People were just used to seeing me at or above 300. Even my mom who I see monthly at least voices her concern that I'm losing too much weight. My dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. At the beginning, they were the same people raising concern about my cholesterol or blood pressure. Saying I'm gonna have a heart attack and such. It's like they are trying to find something wrong with what I'm doing in order to make themselves feel better about living in the status quo and not trying to improve their own life. The more I prove them wrong the deeper they dig. It's crazy, but often times its the people close to you who voice the most concern. It's an interesting psychological game they play (and they don't even know their doing it). They can get fucked. I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 3:36:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dupemaster: It's funny how that happens. People perception of normal these days it so skewed that they think a healthy body weight is a problem. Even I get comments from people who haven't seen me in a long time. They ask the same questions. I'm still fat by the way at 6'2" 237 lbs @ 36. People were just used to seeing me at or above 300. Even my mom who I see monthly at least voices her concern that I'm losing too much weight. My dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. At the beginning, they were the same people raising concern about my cholesterol or blood pressure. Saying I'm gonna have a heart attack and such. It's like they are trying to find something wrong with what I'm doing in order to make themselves feel better about living in the status quo and not trying to improve their own life. The more I prove them wrong the deeper they dig. It's crazy, but often times its the people close to you who voice the most concern. It's an interesting psychological game they play (and they don't even know their doing it). They can get fucked. I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:49:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
@dupemaster when you begin publishing your newsletter please let me know so I can promptly subscribe. I dont want to miss a single issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
Originally Posted By dupemaster: It's funny how that happens. People perception of normal these days it so skewed that they think a healthy body weight is a problem. Even I get comments from people who haven't seen me in a long time. They ask the same questions. I'm still fat by the way at 6'2" 237 lbs @ 36. People were just used to seeing me at or above 300. Even my mom who I see monthly at least voices her concern that I'm losing too much weight. My dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. At the beginning, they were the same people raising concern about my cholesterol or blood pressure. Saying I'm gonna have a heart attack and such. It's like they are trying to find something wrong with what I'm doing in order to make themselves feel better about living in the status quo and not trying to improve their own life. The more I prove them wrong the deeper they dig. It's crazy, but often times its the people close to you who voice the most concern. It's an interesting psychological game they play (and they don't even know their doing it). They can get fucked. I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. I'm not sure I'll ever do a news letter, but I did do a vlog (that I keep saying I'll start again...) I actually have one where I talk about this a bit. I'll see if I can dig it up. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:53:18 PM EDT
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Well I'm on day 3 of finally eating low carb again after months of struggling with various issues. Dropped down the levels over the past week after Bassgasm's suggestion.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:22:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady:
Nailed it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady:
Originally Posted By dupemaster:
Originally Posted By 03PSD:
had a disappointing meeting with some folks I hadnt seen since last May. Instead of telling me I looked great or congrats on the 80lbs lost or simply saying nothing I got a dozen questions of if I was OK, sick, starving, etc. I was told I looked much older because I had some wrinkles that previously didnt exist (because my face and neck was so fat, thank you very much). Not exactly what I was expecting. I feel better than I have in 30 years but now am concerned I have gone too far. I am not vain but at the same time do care, to a small degree, what others think. I work in a "people" field and image and appearance matter. Anyone else run into this sort of thing when losing a lot of weight? Can you go too far? FTR, I am 50, 6'0", 182 lbs. Even I get comments from people who haven't seen me in a long time. They ask the same questions. I'm still fat by the way at 6'2" 237 lbs @ 36. People were just used to seeing me at or above 300. Even my mom who I see monthly at least voices her concern that I'm losing too much weight. My dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. At the beginning, they were the same people raising concern about my cholesterol or blood pressure. Saying I'm gonna have a heart attack and such. It's like they are trying to find something wrong with what I'm doing in order to make themselves feel better about living in the status quo and not trying to improve their own life. The more I prove them wrong the deeper they dig. It's crazy, but often times its the people close to you who voice the most concern. It's an interesting psychological game they play (and they don't even know their doing it). They can get fucked. I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. That being said, if they are doing it out of jealousy, ignore them. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:30:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dupemaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dupemaster:
Lol, thanks. I'm not sure I'll ever do a news letter, but I did do a vlog (that I keep saying I'll start again...) I actually have one where I talk about this a bit. I'll see if I can dig it up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dupemaster:
Originally Posted By 03PSD:
Originally Posted By dupemaster: It's funny how that happens. People perception of normal these days it so skewed that they think a healthy body weight is a problem. Even I get comments from people who haven't seen me in a long time. They ask the same questions. I'm still fat by the way at 6'2" 237 lbs @ 36. People were just used to seeing me at or above 300. Even my mom who I see monthly at least voices her concern that I'm losing too much weight. My dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. At the beginning, they were the same people raising concern about my cholesterol or blood pressure. Saying I'm gonna have a heart attack and such. It's like they are trying to find something wrong with what I'm doing in order to make themselves feel better about living in the status quo and not trying to improve their own life. The more I prove them wrong the deeper they dig. It's crazy, but often times its the people close to you who voice the most concern. It's an interesting psychological game they play (and they don't even know their doing it). They can get fucked. I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. I'm not sure I'll ever do a news letter, but I did do a vlog (that I keep saying I'll start again...) I actually have one where I talk about this a bit. I'll see if I can dig it up. [youtube]9guSy0yx6NA?t=4m30s[/youtube] |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:40:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dupemaster:
*Snip* IMy dad asks "But, aren't you afraid you'll have loose skin?" They worry that I'm getting an "unhealthy obsession" with my weight and being skinny. Or, that I'll develop an eating disorder. *Snip* I'm getting skinny, then I'm getting ripped. I'll see them on the other side. I read a thing on Facebook that had some people's weight loss phases. The loose skin was a real bummer but luckily is easily fixed. Some people had 30 and 40 lbs of skin removed. The one guy is a fitness competitor. It's amazing what they can do now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gitarmac:
Lol! They would rather you fit your loose skin! Lol! I read a thing on Facebook that had some people's weight loss phases. The loose skin was a real bummer but luckily is easily fixed. Some people had 30 and 40 lbs of skin removed. The one guy is a fitness competitor. It's amazing what they can do now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 6:44:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeroworksxp:
Some people seem to forget that if your trying to lose weight, you need to eat limited fat. Every bit of fat your eating is that much fat not coming off the body. Your fat body has TONS of stored fat ready to be plucked. But your body will gladly take from dietary fat before it chews into the body reserves. That is the entire point of keto for weight loss. Your not going to lose weight eating a keto MAINTENANCE diet. I HIGHLY recommend you track your carbs,cals,fat for at least 2 weeks so you train yourself on what to eat within the parameters of the macros numbers for your diet. Do you even Keto, brah? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:32:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jestertoo]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diggerwolf:
LOLWUT? Do you even Keto, brah? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diggerwolf:
Originally Posted By aeroworksxp:
Some people seem to forget that if your trying to lose weight, you need to eat limited fat. Every bit of fat your eating is that much fat not coming off the body. Your fat body has TONS of stored fat ready to be plucked. But your body will gladly take from dietary fat before it chews into the body reserves. That is the entire point of keto for weight loss. Your not going to lose weight eating a keto MAINTENANCE diet. I HIGHLY recommend you track your carbs,cals,fat for at least 2 weeks so you train yourself on what to eat within the parameters of the macros numbers for your diet. Do you even Keto, brah? Protein is a target based on your muscle mass. carbs are a hard limit Fat up to your calorie goal. Don't eat if you aren't hungry, your body will pull it from stores. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 9:18:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Miles_Urbanus]
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Down 24.9 lbs in 64 days with 100% strict adherence to Keto and roughly half the time on a 16:8 Intermittent Fasting plan (lunch/dinner) and half on one meal a day (23:1) evening meal.
Any advantages to a planned cheat meal? I have no desire or cravings. Only interested in weight loss advantage to a cheat meal carb increase. The primary case I’ve heard for cheat meals is a psychological break which I don’t want or need. But I have read about resetting or boosting leptin and Insulin levels with a planned cheat. Have 16 more lbs to go roughly 2 months to go of cutting. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 9:47:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Down 24.9 lbs in 64 days with 100% strict adherence to Keto and roughly half the time on a 16:8 Intermittent Fasting plan (lunch/dinner) and half on one meal a day (23:1) evening meal. Any advantages to a planned cheat meal? I have no desire or cravings. Only interested in weight loss advantage to a cheat meal carb increase. The primary case I’ve heard for cheat meals is a psychological break which I don’t want or need. But I have read about resetting or boosting leptin and Insulin levels with a planned cheat. Have 16 more lbs to go roughly 2 months to go of cutting. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 9:49:01 AM EDT
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The wife and kids will be away next week, which gives me a great chance to fast. .
I’ve done 72 hours easily with nothing but coffee and water, but I might try for 120 hours. I’m also thinking about keeping up with my semi-daily shot of MCT oil, but that’s still got a few calories. That probably takes away any bragging rights I’d have for doing a clean 120. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 10:56:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady:
The wife and kids will be away next week, which gives me a great chance to fast. . I’ve done 72 hours easily with nothing but coffee and water, but I might try for 120 hours. I’m also thinking about keeping up with my semi-daily shot of MCT oil, but that’s still got a few calories. That probably takes away any bragging rights I’d have for doing a clean 120. Fasting is different for everyone. There are people who do strict water fasting. Some who do "fat fasting" where they only consume fat. Others do dry fasting, where they don't eat or drink, for the duration of the fast. Still others maintain that as long as you keep your kcals below 500, you're fasting. So, there are a great many ways to fast. There are also a great many reasons people fast. Some do it for "spiritual" or emotional strength. Some people do iit for the challenge of it. Others do it to promote autophagy and healing, and to reduce inflammation in the body. ...as far as weight loss goes. If you're doing it for fat loss, you probably want to use the water fast. But that's just my opinion. There are lots of people who say fat fasting is just as effective for weightloss. Everyone is different. Do what works for you. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 11:12:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweevox:
Why are you thinking about the shot of MCT oil? Is it because of energy problems? What's a shot to you? MCT oil is a fat, so it's very energy dense. There are 9 kcals per gram, or roughly 125 kcals in a tablespoon. But unless you're the size of flee, who likes diarrhea, you're probably not going to be able to drink enough MCT to fuel your day. In other words I personally don't think MCT oil is going to matter one way or the other. Fasting is different for everyone. There are people who do strict water fasting. Some who do "fat fasting" where they only consume fat. Others do dry fasting, where they don't eat or drink, for the duration of the fast. Still others maintain that as long as you keep your kcals below 500, you're fasting. So, there are a great many ways to fast. There are also a great many reasons people fast. Some do it for "spiritual" or emotional strength. Some people do iit for the challenge of it. Others do it to promote autophagy and healing, and to reduce inflammation in the body. ...as far as weight loss goes. If you're doing it for fat loss, you probably want to use the water fast. But that's just my opinion. There are lots of people who say fat fasting is just as effective for weightloss. Everyone is different. Do what works for you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweevox:
Originally Posted By grady:
The wife and kids will be away next week, which gives me a great chance to fast. . I’ve done 72 hours easily with nothing but coffee and water, but I might try for 120 hours. I’m also thinking about keeping up with my semi-daily shot of MCT oil, but that’s still got a few calories. That probably takes away any bragging rights I’d have for doing a clean 120. Fasting is different for everyone. There are people who do strict water fasting. Some who do "fat fasting" where they only consume fat. Others do dry fasting, where they don't eat or drink, for the duration of the fast. Still others maintain that as long as you keep your kcals below 500, you're fasting. So, there are a great many ways to fast. There are also a great many reasons people fast. Some do it for "spiritual" or emotional strength. Some people do iit for the challenge of it. Others do it to promote autophagy and healing, and to reduce inflammation in the body. ...as far as weight loss goes. If you're doing it for fat loss, you probably want to use the water fast. But that's just my opinion. There are lots of people who say fat fasting is just as effective for weightloss. Everyone is different. Do what works for you. Autophagy makes me feel great and clears up every stupid blemish, rash, and skin tag I get from time to time. I guess there’s no need for the MCT other than I enjoy the energy burst I get with that and my morning coffee. I see your point. Why burn MCT when I can burn on-board fat and damaged proteins? |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 11:14:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
yeah but i seriously doubt any insurance would cover the typical kinds of weight loss we are talking about here and short of TLC My 600lb Life picking up the tab I dont even want to know what the cost of skin removal surgery would run. People, even people in GD expect health care to be free. I remember a thread on dental care and some posters claimed they couldn't get regular dental check-ups because they didn't have insurance. I go 4 times a year without insurance. It's a little over a hundred bucks. Plastic surgeons offer payment plans. I know these things because I have coworkers that have had some work done. Again it depends on how intensive the surgery is. Dupe is small compared to some of the ones I read about. A simple lift would probably be easy. Again it depends on where you live. One thing is for certain, if insurance covered it your part would be whatever it costs now. Insurance drives costs up. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 11:41:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gitarmac:
You can have things done without insurance. A typical tuck and life costs from 3 to 10K dollars and that includes sometimes altering the abdominal wall. People, even people in GD expect health care to be free. I remember a thread on dental care and some posters claimed they couldn't get regular dental check-ups because they didn't have insurance. I go 4 times a year without insurance. It's a little over a hundred bucks. Plastic surgeons offer payment plans. I know these things because I have coworkers that have had some work done. Again it depends on how intensive the surgery is. Dupe is small compared to some of the ones I read about. A simple lift would probably be easy. Again it depends on where you live. One thing is for certain, if insurance covered it your part would be whatever it costs now. Insurance drives costs up. Any time a consumer is shielded from the total up front cost of a commodity, product, or service, the costs tends to rise. Education and healthcare are good examples of this effect. But to a lesser degree even things which can be financed experience the same effect. Good examples being real estate, and automobiles. Any time you remove natural economic stimuli, you cause this pricing problem. |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 2:42:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: munsen]
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I had my last appointment
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Posted: 2/23/2018 6:56:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: grady]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By munsen:
I had my last appointment Doc: “Take these pills.” Patient: “I think I’ll just stop hitting my hand with a hammer.” Doc: “That sounds unhealthy.” (Several months later) Patient: “My hand feels great. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not bleeding, and the scars and bruises are almost gone!” Doc: “That concerns me. You’re not still not hitting your hand with a hammer are you? I like the progress you’ve made but I think your hand looks good enough. You should go back to beating on it with a hammer.” |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 7:27:45 AM EDT
[#32]
Down 100 lbs in a year, 14 inches off my waist. Next week I start physical therapy to try to get my back into some kind of shape that doesn't so closely resemble a pretzel. I'm itching to rebuild muscle lost to an awful lifestyle. This is the first time I've weighed less than 200 lbs since 1992.
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Posted: 2/23/2018 8:00:52 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady:
Patient: “Doc, every day I pound on my hand with a hammer. My hand is mangled, bloody, and hurts like hell.” Doc: “Take these pills.” Patient: “I think I’ll just stop hitting my hand with a hammer.” Doc: “That sounds unhealthy.” (Several months later) Patient: “My hand feels great. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not bleeding, and the scars and bruises are almost gone!” Doc: “That concerns me. You’re not still not hitting your hand with a hammer are you? I like the progress you’ve made but I think your hand looks good enough. You should go back to beating on it with a hammer.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady:
Originally Posted By munsen:
I had my last appointment Doc: “Take these pills.” Patient: “I think I’ll just stop hitting my hand with a hammer.” Doc: “That sounds unhealthy.” (Several months later) Patient: “My hand feels great. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not bleeding, and the scars and bruises are almost gone!” Doc: “That concerns me. You’re not still not hitting your hand with a hammer are you? I like the progress you’ve made but I think your hand looks good enough. You should go back to beating on it with a hammer.”  Not inaccurate
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Posted: 2/23/2018 9:49:46 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Khonsu:
Down 100 lbs in a year, 14 inches off my waist. Next week I start physical therapy to try to get my back into some kind of shape that doesn't so closely resemble a pretzel. I'm itching to rebuild muscle lost to an awful lifestyle. This is the first time I've weighed less than 200 lbs since 1992. Feels good doesn't it |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 10:03:48 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweevox: Congratulations! Feels good doesn't it |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 10:29:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Qweevox]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady: Patient: “Doc, every day I pound on my hand with a hammer. My hand is mangled, bloody, and hurts like hell.” Doc: “Take these pills.” Patient: “I think I’ll just stop hitting my hand with a hammer.” Doc: “That sounds unhealthy.” (Several months later) Patient: “My hand feels great. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not bleeding, and the scars and bruises are almost gone!” Doc: “That concerns me. You’re not still not hitting your hand with a hammer are you? I like the progress you’ve made but I think your hand looks good enough. You should go back to beating on it with a hammer.” No. There is absolutely no money to be made on it. |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 10:41:38 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Khonsu: I was hoping it would make difference with my back, but after looking at recent xrays I know why it didn't. Surprise! You have 2 more fractured vertebrae that were either missed 26 years ago when I was injured, or that I somehow aquired since then. You'd think I would have noticed that. My knees really appreciate it though. Sad part is, it wasn't really health issues that got me started. It was vanity. I saw a picture of myself at a friend's wedding in summer of 2016. She gave me a framed photo of us and some friends as a late Christmas present in February. I looked like Wilford Brimely ate William Conrad. It must have been very difficult for you to carry an extra 100 lbs with bad knees and a broken back. A lot of people might have used that as an excuse NOT to lose weight. But you didn't, congratulations. |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 10:52:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Geohans]
[#38]
Dietary fat consumption is a way of speeding adaption. Think "priming the pump."
It's also easier than jumping straight into fasting. It leads to satiety. It fulfills the psychological habit of putting stuff in your mouth at certain times of day. And remember, it takes MONTHS for all your cells and organs to be retrained to be efficient users of ketone bodies. But of course, if your goal is extreme fat loss, you will have to restrict total calories at some point. However, early in the process of adaption it's quite possible to lose weight without cutting calories, simply by switching macros away from carbs. And the real kicker: once you're keto adapted, you will eat fewer calories because there are no carbs interfering with your natural hunger, or lack thereof. An avocado with olives, feta and olive oil will leave you sated for hours, whereas the same number of calories of pizza will leave you craving food again in a couple hours. The biggest difference in getting the carbs out of the picture is the fact that if you restrict calories but keep cars in, your metabolism slows, you feel tired, you keep your cravings alive, and you retain water, and stimulate insulin which causes your body to resist burning its own fat. |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 3:09:10 PM EDT
[#39]
5 days down and the piss strip still says 0 ketons.
Haven't had a day over 30 total grams of carbs. Most of those from celery, avocado, and green peppers; I'm assuming my net carbs are closer to 15-20. Proteins have been about 30% of total calories. Down 2 pounds so far. I'm going to continue to stick with it for the 90 days minimum I intended to but hoping to "get into ketosis" sooner than later. My wife is continually getting darker on the strips but I'm just sitting at 0. |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 3:28:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Qweevox]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShockTroopT:
5 days down and the piss strip still says 0 ketons. Haven't had a day over 30 total grams of carbs. Most of those from celery, avocado, and green peppers; I'm assuming my net carbs are closer to 15-20. Proteins have been about 30% of total calories. Down 2 pounds so far. I'm going to continue to stick with it for the 90 days minimum I intended to but hoping to "get into ketosis" sooner than later. My wife is continually getting darker on the strips but I'm just sitting at 0. Your liver can only store 400-600 kcals of glycogen, and your muscles don't share. So, 30 grams of carbs a day = 120 kcals. IF your BMR is around 2000 kcals, your body is having to produce 1880 kcals from somewhere. ....fats, and possibly protein, through gluconeogenesis, which is a last resort sort of metabolic process. (but I won't get into that here) The piss strips are an unreliable novelty, we all use when we first go down this path. They could be a bad batch of ketone strips, maybe they're too old, who knows. At the end of the day it's just math. If you're not eating carbs (sugars), you're burning one of the other two macros for fuel. Burning fat for fuel is much easier then burning protein. Most people have gone into ketosis every single day of their life, when they fast overnight. It's not a magical metabolic state. It's one that prevents you from dying between feedings. If we couldn't do it, we'd be dropping dead after we burned our liver glycogen. |
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Posted: 2/23/2018 3:30:16 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady:
Patient: “Doc, every day I pound on my hand with a hammer. My hand is mangled, bloody, and hurts like hell.” Doc: “Take these pills.” Patient: “I think I’ll just stop hitting my hand with a hammer.” Doc: “That sounds unhealthy.” (Several months later) Patient: “My hand feels great. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not bleeding, and the scars and bruises are almost gone!” Doc: “That concerns me. You’re not still not hitting your hand with a hammer are you? I like the progress you’ve made but I think your hand looks good enough. You should go back to beating on it with a hammer.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grady:
Originally Posted By munsen:
I had my last appointment Doc: “Take these pills.” Patient: “I think I’ll just stop hitting my hand with a hammer.” Doc: “That sounds unhealthy.” (Several months later) Patient: “My hand feels great. It doesn’t hurt, it’s not bleeding, and the scars and bruises are almost gone!” Doc: “That concerns me. You’re not still not hitting your hand with a hammer are you? I like the progress you’ve made but I think your hand looks good enough. You should go back to beating on it with a hammer.” 
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Posted: 2/23/2018 8:48:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Was at the VA today for a podiatrist appointment. Head of Podiatry comes in, says my sugars are still too high and I need to talk to my Primary Care Doc about it. Tell him I've already got an appointment next week, and I'm going to be starting the Keto diet as well. He wasn't real happy about that, especially when one of the residents also in the room piped up with "Oh yeah, been on that for awhile now. Really works good". Bossman says he's making an appointment for me with a nutritionist. I think a certain resident had a little chat after. LOL.
Started tonight, a nice chuck steak cooked in olive oil, a bowl of spinach with butter, and some sharp cheddar with it. Day 1. Boxed up all the prepared food, also bought spinach, broccoli, bell peppers, and ground beef. Butter and olive oil as well. |
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Posted: 2/24/2018 4:14:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: munsen]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snuffy19608:
Was at the VA today for a podiatrist appointment. Head of Podiatry comes in, says my sugars are still too high and I need to talk to my Primary Care Doc about it. Tell him I've already got an appointment next week, and I'm going to be starting the Keto diet as well. He wasn't real happy about that, especially when one of the residents also in the room piped up with "Oh yeah, been on that for awhile now. Really works good". Bossman says he's making an appointment for me with a nutritionist. I think a certain resident had a little chat after. LOL. Started tonight, a nice chuck steak cooked in olive oil, a bowl of spinach with butter, and some sharp cheddar with it. Day 1. Boxed up all the prepared food, also bought spinach, broccoli, bell peppers, and ground beef. Butter and olive oil as well. Disregard advice. Unless of course they recommend you limit your carbs to <30g per day. Then they might be one of the good ones. |
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Posted: 2/24/2018 6:43:22 AM EDT
[#44]
Weighed in at 217lbs this morning down 2lbs from last week.
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Posted: 2/24/2018 6:51:55 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShockTroopT:
5 days down and the piss strip still says 0 ketons. Haven't had a day over 30 total grams of carbs. Most of those from celery, avocado, and green peppers; I'm assuming my net carbs are closer to 15-20. Proteins have been about 30% of total calories. Down 2 pounds so far. I'm going to continue to stick with it for the 90 days minimum I intended to but hoping to "get into ketosis" sooner than later. My wife is continually getting darker on the strips but I'm just sitting at 0. It's worth it if you want to do this right and can spare the change. Make it a hobby. |
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Posted: 2/24/2018 6:53:58 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snuffy19608:
Was at the VA today for a podiatrist appointment. Head of Podiatry comes in, says my sugars are still too high and I need to talk to my Primary Care Doc about it. Tell him I've already got an appointment next week, and I'm going to be starting the Keto diet as well. He wasn't real happy about that, especially when one of the residents also in the room piped up with "Oh yeah, been on that for awhile now. Really works good". Bossman says he's making an appointment for me with a nutritionist. I think a certain resident had a little chat after. LOL. Started tonight, a nice chuck steak cooked in olive oil, a bowl of spinach with butter, and some sharp cheddar with it. Day 1. Boxed up all the prepared food, also bought spinach, broccoli, bell peppers, and ground beef. Butter and olive oil as well. |
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Posted: 2/24/2018 8:14:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Qweevox]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geohans: Get a Precision Xtra glucose/ketone monitor. Then get glucose and ketone strips. Meter is about $30; ketone strips are 1-2 bucks each on Ebay. Glucose strips like fifty cents. It's worth it if you want to do this right and can spare the change. Make it a hobby. I recently bought one on Amazon, but if you go to their website you can get a few bucks off. 50 strips are less than $50. So about a $1 a strip. Their glucose strip are cheap as well. I tested it with keto control solution, so it's accurate. The urine strips are almost worthless for our purposes. They were originally used to help diabetics test for signs of ketoacidosis. They don't even measure BHB, just excess acetoacetate in the urine which in my experience decreases to nothing after you've adapted. I could be about 2 mmol/L BHB, and piss nothing on a strip. And after all Beta hydroxybutyrate is what we seek. These testers are also valuable for life hackers to calculate their Glucose Ketone ratio. 1.5ish-3 mmol/L seems optimal for fat loss 3-6 mmol/L for therapeutic ketosis (e.g. autophagy and longevity, fighting cancer) By my 36th hour water fasting, mine will shoot up to 4 and 5's but seems to level out. My blood glucose will drop through the floor. I've seen it as low as 48 with no symptoms of hypoglycemia. But usually it's in the 50-70 range while fasting. Of course I'm not diabetic, and my normal range is fairly low, as is my A1C. As I said before the urine ketone strips are almost worthless. They're more of an unreliable binary indicator, not a measurement. If you piss any color you're probably in ketosis, if you have no color you still might be in ketosis. If you piss dark you might be in heavy ketosis, if it's faint, you still might be in heavy ketosis. |
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Posted: 2/24/2018 11:28:52 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweevox: Sorry to hear that. It must have been very difficult for you to carry an extra 100 lbs with bad knees and a broken back. A lot of people might have used that as an excuse NOT to lose weight. But you didn't, congratulations. Anyone have any suggestions on a decent looking belt for casual wear? I've been through 2 so far and have a few pant sizes to go. |
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Posted: 2/25/2018 9:49:46 PM EDT
[#49]
17 Pounds after 3 weeks today. Unfortunately a pork steak with beans and rice dressing broke me. Guess a week set back wont be bad . Should I fast tomorrow to get back in again?
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Posted: 2/25/2018 10:05:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lafmedic1:
17 Pounds after 3 weeks today. Unfortunately a pork steak with beans and rice dressing broke me. Guess a week set back wont be bad . Should I fast tomorrow to get back in again? |
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