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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Franchise QB or OTR trucker? You decide: https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/bigben1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1 
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Franchise QB or OTR trucker? You decide: https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/bigben1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1 He looks five years older than Tom Brady, not five years younger. 
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus...that's a lot of good RB's they have now. Elway is going with the Bill O'Brien strategy I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Jesus...that's a lot of good RB's they have now. Elway is going with the Bill O'Brien strategy I guess. i heard gordon also turned down a bigger offer so he could 'stick it to' the chargers twice a year. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:31:34 PM EDT
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yikes, and in what's arguable becoming one of the toughest divisions in football. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:33:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He looks five years older than Tom Brady, not five years younger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Franchise QB or OTR trucker? You decide: https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/bigben1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1 He looks five years older than Tom Brady, not five years younger. One of those two has a cultish attitude towards diet and exercise. The other seems to have done their physical therapy at Denny's. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:35:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yikes, and in what's arguable becoming one of the toughest divisions in football. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
yikes, and in what's arguable becoming one of the toughest divisions in football. The NFC West has been the toughest for years. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:51:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NFC West has been the toughest for years. eh.. rams just got relevant last couple years, niners just hit stride this year, seattle has been the main constant. but it looks like the niners and hawks are there to stay for a bit, and arizona is trending upwards, rams blew their load to try to win it all a couple years ago so it seems like they'll have a tough climb up the next couple seasons at least. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 1:31:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: eh.. rams just got relevant last couple years, niners just hit stride this year, seattle has been the main constant. but it looks like the niners and hawks are there to stay for a bit, and arizona is trending upwards, rams blew their load to try to win it all a couple years ago so it seems like they'll have a tough climb up the next couple seasons at least. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The NFC West has been the toughest for years. eh.. rams just got relevant last couple years, niners just hit stride this year, seattle has been the main constant. but it looks like the niners and hawks are there to stay for a bit, and arizona is trending upwards, rams blew their load to try to win it all a couple years ago so it seems like they'll have a tough climb up the next couple seasons at least. 2019 was the first time the 49ers have had a winning season since 2013. They were .500 in '14, and straight up bad in '15-18. 2017 was the Rams first winning season since 2003. They bet their future on a Super Bowl run for '18-19, and they didn't make it. Their outlook is pretty dark right about now. That Jalen Ramsey trade was probably the nail in the coffin for their window. The Cards made some bad decisions, but they might be coming through as a viable team. I agree the Seahawks have mostly led that division. They've had winning records every year since 2012, and 2017 is the only year in that span in which they missed the playoffs. But I think their coaching and management strategy is straight up wasting Russel Wilson's career. They aren't supporting him with roster construction, and they are stupidly obsessed with rushing. I think the reality is that divisions have points where two or more teams pass each other in their competitive windows. The AFC West was there in 2013-2016. The NFC West is probably there. The NFC North might be there. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 1:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Franchise QB or OTR trucker? You decide: https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/bigben1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1 Big Ben needs to lose weight and do some yoga. He looked slow when he played a few games last season. 
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Posted: 3/21/2020 2:23:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NFC North might be there. How so? GB has obviously been the better team since the early 90's but the division churns quite frequently. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 5:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 was the first time the 49ers have had a winning season since 2013. They were .500 in '14, and straight up bad in '15-18. 2017 was the Rams first winning season since 2003. They bet their future on a Super Bowl run for '18-19, and they didn't make it. Their outlook is pretty dark right about now. That Jalen Ramsey trade was probably the nail in the coffin for their window. The Cards made some bad decisions, but they might be coming through as a viable team. I agree the Seahawks have mostly led that division. They've had winning records every year since 2012, and 2017 is the only year in that span in which they missed the playoffs. But I think their coaching and management strategy is straight up wasting Russel Wilson's career. They aren't supporting him with roster construction, and they are stupidly obsessed with rushing. I think the reality is that divisions have points where two or more teams pass each other in their competitive windows. The AFC West was there in 2013-2016. The NFC West is probably there. The NFC North might be there. The AFC North was quite competitive other than the Browns in the earlier part of the last decade. |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 12:10:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2020 9:28:15 PM EDT
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XFL is done for the season. they'll continue to pay the guys, and i'm pretty sure they had a two year contract, so hopefully for the teams they'll be back next year. talk about some shit luck.
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Posted: 3/22/2020 10:33:26 PM EDT
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Still trying to wrap my mind around Tom Brady playing football for a team other than the Patriots.
 I truly hope he lights the league on fire this fall. Heck, I hope he wins the Super Bowl (fat chance, but I still would love to see it). |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 11:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still trying to wrap my mind around Tom Brady playing football for a team other than the Patriots. I truly hope he lights the league on fire this fall. Heck, I hope he wins the Super Bowl (fat chance, but I still would love to see it). |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 5:13:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm really excited. BB is a douche bag and I want to see how he does without TB. He just signed Hoyer the Destroyer. It’s business as usual for BB. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 10:22:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm really excited. BB is a douche bag and I want to see how he does without TB. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Still trying to wrap my mind around Tom Brady playing football for a team other than the Patriots. I truly hope he lights the league on fire this fall. Heck, I hope he wins the Super Bowl (fat chance, but I still would love to see it). What’s interesting is it seems about just as many people are saying “TB is a douche bag and I want to see how he does without BB.” |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 10:30:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s interesting is it seems about just as many people are saying “TB is a douche bad and I want to see how he does without BB.” That seems to be the million dollar question. How each does without the other. This is certainly going to be an interesting season coming up. I'm excited. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:29:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's interesting is it seems about just as many people are saying "TB is a douche bag and I want to see how he does without BB." |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:30:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which people? I haven't heard that at all. I haven't stated it but must admit I thought it. 
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:57:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:05:19 PM EDT
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The Chiefs are going to repeat...that is all...LOL
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That seems to be the million dollar question. How each does without the other. This is certainly going to be an interesting season coming up. I'm excited. Exactly. The debate between TB or BB being the more important reason for NE's success has been going on for awhile. I never thought we'd get a chance to see them have a shot at ending that debate. I mean, BB is in a really bad spot to succeed even if he still had TB, but if he does that is even more impressive. TB12 has improved the roster around him, but the organization doesn't have the best history of success so if he brings them some more that is even more impressive than winning in a place like SF or NE. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:29:56 PM EDT
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Every time I think I understand NFL salary structures, I learn something new about how little I know. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:42:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:11:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf they were trying to make it look like a Chargers logo, they couldn't do a better job. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:13:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:26:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Franchise QB or OTR trucker? You decide: https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/bigben1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1 Is that not Joe Thornton? 
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:29:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe one full of dust and cobwebs belongs to Dallas. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:34:35 PM EDT
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Another one:
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another one:
I wonder if he never healed properly. Given last year, it seems a stupid move if it is for cap space. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:37:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another one:
$$$ move, I'm sure. Still shocking. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which people? I haven't heard that at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's interesting is it seems about just as many people are saying "TB is a douche bag and I want to see how he does without BB." You haven’t heard people say they want to see how Belichick does without Brady? Well I guess as much as you seem focused on the Cowboys it’s somewhat understandable.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:48:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The one full of dust and cobwebs belongs to Dallas. Quote HistoryQuoted: The one full of dust and cobwebs belongs to Dallas. You are obsessed and I love it. 
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Panthers are signing XFL QB PJ Walker https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/280940/PSX_20200323_114522_jpg-1329440.JPG That 104.4 QBR is very impressive considering a perfect QBR is 100.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:50:41 PM EDT
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It says a lot when Rivera reportedly has zero interest in Cam Newton and instead the Skins trade for his backup.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:50:42 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The one full of dust and cobwebs belongs to Dallas. to be fair, dust and cobwebs and 5 Super Bowl Trophies. More than anyone but SF, Pitt, and NE |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:54:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It says a lot when Rivera reportedly has zero interest in Cam Newton and instead the Skins trade for his backup. That's not exactly apples to apples. Newton, if traded, would have a $19.1M cap hit. Kyle Allen's is $675k. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That 104.4 QBR is very impressive considering a perfect QBR is 100. That's elite! I think they just brain farted and labeled passer rating as QBR |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:56:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: to be fair, dust and cobwebs and 5 Super Bowl Trophies. More than anyone but SF, Pitt, and NE Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The one full of dust and cobwebs belongs to Dallas. to be fair, dust and cobwebs and 5 Super Bowl Trophies. More than anyone but SF, Pitt, and NE Dagger talking about the Cowboys is like a libtard talking about Trump. A seething obsessive hatred and not much logic. 
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:57:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not exactly apples to apples. Newton, if traded, would have a $19.1M cap hit. Kyle Allen's is $675k. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It says a lot when Rivera reportedly has zero interest in Cam Newton and instead the Skins trade for his backup. That's not exactly apples to apples. Newton, if traded, would have a $19.1M cap hit. Kyle Allen's is $675k. Its not that the Skins signed Allen. It’s that Newton’s former coach has reportedly zero interest in him. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:59:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dagger talking about the Cowboys is like a libtard talking about Trump. A seething obsessive hatred and not much logic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The one full of dust and cobwebs belongs to Dallas. to be fair, dust and cobwebs and 5 Super Bowl Trophies. More than anyone but SF, Pitt, and NE Dagger talking about the Cowboys is like a libtard talking about Trump. A seething obsessive hatred and not much logic. I thought it was his first post of this thread, but he posted about Winston on page 1. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 4:13:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not that the Skins signed Allen. It’s that Newton’s former coach has reportedly zero interest in him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It says a lot when Rivera reportedly has zero interest in Cam Newton and instead the Skins trade for his backup. That's not exactly apples to apples. Newton, if traded, would have a $19.1M cap hit. Kyle Allen's is $675k. Its not that the Skins signed Allen. It’s that Newton’s former coach has reportedly zero interest in him. It's more complicated than that. Consider the following questions: What does Newton offer a new team? What does it cost for a team to acquire Newton? What is the situation of the team that is considering Newton? How does the receiving team conduct physicals with all the COVID lockdowns? The math doesn't look good. Newton is a pretty risky candidate, and there are options on the market that are more appealing, more affordable, or both. The other major piece is the fact that, as of now, a receiving team would have to give Carolina assets and take on Newton's existing contract. The receiving team would also be doing so with the knowledge that Newton is almost guaranteed to be cut. There's only one Bill O'Brien in this league, and I don't think he's shopping for QBs right now, so I'm going to guess no other team is happy about the idea of making that move. Wait for the cut, then sign him for the sort of $5-10M prove-it deal that allows the team the option to cut bait after one year if he's bad or have exclusive rights to him if he's good enough. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 5:14:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2020 5:18:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
IIRC in relation to how those incentives work versus LV's cap space, is that those incentives are judged by some kind of "probable" vs "improbable" criteria. Assuming that the majority of those incentives fall into the "improbable" category and wouldn't limit LV's cap, then that is an awesome way to structure a deal for a high level backup/potential starter. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 5:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's more complicated than that. Consider the following questions: What does Newton offer a new team? What does it cost for a team to acquire Newton? What is the situation of the team that is considering Newton? How does the receiving team conduct physicals with all the COVID lockdowns? The math doesn't look good. Newton is a pretty risky candidate, and there are options on the market that are more appealing, more affordable, or both. The other major piece is the fact that, as of now, a receiving team would have to give Carolina assets and take on Newton's existing contract. The receiving team would also be doing so with the knowledge that Newton is almost guaranteed to be cut. There's only one Bill O'Brien in this league, and I don't think he's shopping for QBs right now, so I'm going to guess no other team is happy about the idea of making that move. Wait for the cut, then sign him for the sort of $5-10M prove-it deal that allows the team the option to cut bait after one year if he's bad or have exclusive rights to him if he's good enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It says a lot when Rivera reportedly has zero interest in Cam Newton and instead the Skins trade for his backup. That's not exactly apples to apples. Newton, if traded, would have a $19.1M cap hit. Kyle Allen's is $675k. Its not that the Skins signed Allen. It’s that Newton’s former coach has reportedly zero interest in him. It's more complicated than that. Consider the following questions: What does Newton offer a new team? What does it cost for a team to acquire Newton? What is the situation of the team that is considering Newton? How does the receiving team conduct physicals with all the COVID lockdowns? The math doesn't look good. Newton is a pretty risky candidate, and there are options on the market that are more appealing, more affordable, or both. The other major piece is the fact that, as of now, a receiving team would have to give Carolina assets and take on Newton's existing contract. The receiving team would also be doing so with the knowledge that Newton is almost guaranteed to be cut. There's only one Bill O'Brien in this league, and I don't think he's shopping for QBs right now, so I'm going to guess no other team is happy about the idea of making that move. Wait for the cut, then sign him for the sort of $5-10M prove-it deal that allows the team the option to cut bait after one year if he's bad or have exclusive rights to him if he's good enough. You’re talking about “not giving serious consideration to.” I’m talking about “zero interest.” Like not even throwing out a low ball offer where the Panthers pick up the majority of his remaining salary. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 6:05:31 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re talking about “not giving serious consideration to.” I’m talking about “zero interest.” Like not even throwing out a low ball offer where the Panthers pick up the majority of his remaining salary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It says a lot when Rivera reportedly has zero interest in Cam Newton and instead the Skins trade for his backup. That's not exactly apples to apples. Newton, if traded, would have a $19.1M cap hit. Kyle Allen's is $675k. Its not that the Skins signed Allen. It’s that Newton’s former coach has reportedly zero interest in him. It's more complicated than that. Consider the following questions: What does Newton offer a new team? What does it cost for a team to acquire Newton? What is the situation of the team that is considering Newton? How does the receiving team conduct physicals with all the COVID lockdowns? The math doesn't look good. Newton is a pretty risky candidate, and there are options on the market that are more appealing, more affordable, or both. The other major piece is the fact that, as of now, a receiving team would have to give Carolina assets and take on Newton's existing contract. The receiving team would also be doing so with the knowledge that Newton is almost guaranteed to be cut. There's only one Bill O'Brien in this league, and I don't think he's shopping for QBs right now, so I'm going to guess no other team is happy about the idea of making that move. Wait for the cut, then sign him for the sort of $5-10M prove-it deal that allows the team the option to cut bait after one year if he's bad or have exclusive rights to him if he's good enough. You’re talking about “not giving serious consideration to.” I’m talking about “zero interest.” Like not even throwing out a low ball offer where the Panthers pick up the majority of his remaining salary. Why would the Panthers do that? They're on the hook for $2M in dead money regardless of the terms of Newton's departure. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 6:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the Panthers do that? They're on the hook for $2M in dead money regardless of the terms of Newton's departure. Exactly. The only reason the Panthers have to take on Cam's contract is if they get enough compensation in trade to do so. Just like with Todd Gurley, nobody is going to trade for a guy that is clearly going to be cut. Also, Cam's cap hit isn't crazy high but the guy does have question marks about him so it's possible his contract may still be higher than many teams faith in him, so letting the Panthers cut him and allowing teams to negotiate their own deal is a bonus. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 6:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the Panthers do that? They're on the hook for $2M in dead money regardless of the terms of Newton's departure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It says a lot when Rivera reportedly has zero interest in Cam Newton and instead the Skins trade for his backup. That's not exactly apples to apples. Newton, if traded, would have a $19.1M cap hit. Kyle Allen's is $675k. Its not that the Skins signed Allen. It’s that Newton’s former coach has reportedly zero interest in him. It's more complicated than that. Consider the following questions: What does Newton offer a new team? What does it cost for a team to acquire Newton? What is the situation of the team that is considering Newton? How does the receiving team conduct physicals with all the COVID lockdowns? The math doesn't look good. Newton is a pretty risky candidate, and there are options on the market that are more appealing, more affordable, or both. The other major piece is the fact that, as of now, a receiving team would have to give Carolina assets and take on Newton's existing contract. The receiving team would also be doing so with the knowledge that Newton is almost guaranteed to be cut. There's only one Bill O'Brien in this league, and I don't think he's shopping for QBs right now, so I'm going to guess no other team is happy about the idea of making that move. Wait for the cut, then sign him for the sort of $5-10M prove-it deal that allows the team the option to cut bait after one year if he's bad or have exclusive rights to him if he's good enough. You’re talking about “not giving serious consideration to.” I’m talking about “zero interest.” Like not even throwing out a low ball offer where the Panthers pick up the majority of his remaining salary. Why would the Panthers do that? They're on the hook for $2M in dead money regardless of the terms of Newton's departure. They wouldn’t. Then again with what the Texans have been doing those longshot low ball offers don’t seem quite so far fetched. |
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