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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:10:21 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They went from BOB to this Easterby character having at least a heavy amount of influence. The only answer is the owner has zero clue WTF they're doing. Imagine being an owner, and seeing a top 3 WR being traded away for peanuts, and not immediately firing people. How does that even go down without the owner being involved? So many things have to go wrong to get where the org is at right now that its almost unfathomable. How is this guy high up on the totem pole of any NFL front office?  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/381696/IMG_0287_JPG-1783695.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Its a crying shame that the Texans have come to this but they did it to themselves. Incompetent administration/coaching doesn't even begin to describe it. And Texans fans love to blame it ALL on Bill O'Brien, but it's not even really his fault. Let's say a father let's his 16 year old son borrowing a $25,000 car. The son drives like shit and totals the car. The father then says "son, I am so impressed with your responsible driving that I'm going to let you borrow my $50,000 car." The son drives like shit and totals the $50,000 car. Now, who's more at fault for the $50k car getting totaled? The father or the son?  They went from BOB to this Easterby character having at least a heavy amount of influence. The only answer is the owner has zero clue WTF they're doing. Imagine being an owner, and seeing a top 3 WR being traded away for peanuts, and not immediately firing people. How does that even go down without the owner being involved? So many things have to go wrong to get where the org is at right now that its almost unfathomable. How is this guy high up on the totem pole of any NFL front office? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/381696/IMG_0287_JPG-1783695.JPG The Texans are that guy that finds out their fiance got gang banged by strippers at her bachelorette party, he goes through with the wedding anyway, and then he acts shocked when he comes home early to find her getting double teamed by the pool boy and the UPS man.  |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:14:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:18:40 PM EDT
[#3]
Those goalposts are getting narrower or something
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:22:08 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course early first round picks hold more value than mid or late first picks. However, a single first round pick, regardless of where, is way too little. The only exception might be if it was the first overall and the Texans could draft Lawrence. Also if the Texans dump Watson they are almost certainly going to suck for the next half decade. So let's say the Texans use that 3rd overall pick on a DE or a O-lineman. Even IF they worked out great by the time the Texans were finally good his rookie deal would be up and the Texans would either have to make him the highest paid (or close to it) at their position or lose him. Not to mention if you're going to suck for an extended period of time it's better to really suck and get a top 3 pick every year than just kinda suck and get a 6-10 pick. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Getting hotter. Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. Watson is mostly likely driving down is own trade value, and I think there's a trade clause in his contract that gives him even more control over the situation. If I'm the Houston GM, I would most likely accept Miami's #3 overall pick and Tua. I'd ask for more, but I'd settle for that. So a single first round pick and an injury prone unproven QB for a proven top 10 (maybe top 5) franchise QB? https://media1.tenor.com/images/d6334a57f035787c4f72a7b96fc95900/tenor.gif?itemid=7363102 So, three things: 1) Not all 1st round picks carry the same value. The picks towards the front of the draft (ie #3) carry exponentially more value than those even in the middle of the round. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0R20_D0V0Ci3c6WkrdWX5qdWELU=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/12319645/Screen_Shot_2018_08_17_at_1.21.39_PM.png 2) Draft picks for the current year are worth more than future draft picks. Depending upon who is doing the trading and how desperate they are, a 1st round pick for 2022 or 2023 might only be worth a 2nd or even 3rd round pick for 2021. 3) I think most people would agree that Tua still carries 1st round trade value if traded before the 2021 draft. The #3 overall pick + Tua would be HUGE trade value. And that Watson is an expensive guy that has some control over the situation and is going to make your life difficult if you're the Texans GM who will likely be short on options. Of course early first round picks hold more value than mid or late first picks. However, a single first round pick, regardless of where, is way too little. The only exception might be if it was the first overall and the Texans could draft Lawrence. Also if the Texans dump Watson they are almost certainly going to suck for the next half decade. So let's say the Texans use that 3rd overall pick on a DE or a O-lineman. Even IF they worked out great by the time the Texans were finally good his rookie deal would be up and the Texans would either have to make him the highest paid (or close to it) at their position or lose him. Not to mention if you're going to suck for an extended period of time it's better to really suck and get a top 3 pick every year than just kinda suck and get a 6-10 pick. Allow me to express this differently: The #3 overall draft pick may be a single pick, but it’s worth multiple first round picks. And Tua is worth an additional first. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:23:08 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Watson decides to sit out if not traded they don't have a lot of leverage. I do not want to Dolphins to trade for him. Too much draft capital and a huge cap hit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. As I said earlier: sure, Watson can make things difficult for the Texans, but the Texans can also make things difficult for Watson. If they were smart about it (or at least not retarded) BOTH parties could get what they wanted. However, I hope they don't. The train wreck is amusing. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:26:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Allow me to express this differently: The #3 overall draft pick may be a single pick, but it’s worth multiple first round picks. And Tua is worth an additional first. I get what you're saying. However there is also that old saying, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If I'm the Texans GM I'd need to feel confident about what I can turn that #3 pick into before making that trade. I think your assumption is that someone will be willing to give up a decent haul of picks for it, and you're probably right, but the Texans would need to be sure of it. They need more than a single pick, if they can't turn that #3 into something worthwhile then they might as well just stick with Watson and call his bluff. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:28:22 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Allow me to express this differently: The #3 overall draft pick may be a single pick, but it’s worth multiple first round picks. And Tua is worth an additional first. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Getting hotter. Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. Watson is mostly likely driving down is own trade value, and I think there's a trade clause in his contract that gives him even more control over the situation. If I'm the Houston GM, I would most likely accept Miami's #3 overall pick and Tua. I'd ask for more, but I'd settle for that. So a single first round pick and an injury prone unproven QB for a proven top 10 (maybe top 5) franchise QB? https://media1.tenor.com/images/d6334a57f035787c4f72a7b96fc95900/tenor.gif?itemid=7363102 So, three things: 1) Not all 1st round picks carry the same value. The picks towards the front of the draft (ie #3) carry exponentially more value than those even in the middle of the round. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0R20_D0V0Ci3c6WkrdWX5qdWELU=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/12319645/Screen_Shot_2018_08_17_at_1.21.39_PM.png 2) Draft picks for the current year are worth more than future draft picks. Depending upon who is doing the trading and how desperate they are, a 1st round pick for 2022 or 2023 might only be worth a 2nd or even 3rd round pick for 2021. 3) I think most people would agree that Tua still carries 1st round trade value if traded before the 2021 draft. The #3 overall pick + Tua would be HUGE trade value. And that Watson is an expensive guy that has some control over the situation and is going to make your life difficult if you're the Texans GM who will likely be short on options. Of course early first round picks hold more value than mid or late first picks. However, a single first round pick, regardless of where, is way too little. The only exception might be if it was the first overall and the Texans could draft Lawrence. Also if the Texans dump Watson they are almost certainly going to suck for the next half decade. So let's say the Texans use that 3rd overall pick on a DE or a O-lineman. Even IF they worked out great by the time the Texans were finally good his rookie deal would be up and the Texans would either have to make him the highest paid (or close to it) at their position or lose him. Not to mention if you're going to suck for an extended period of time it's better to really suck and get a top 3 pick every year than just kinda suck and get a 6-10 pick. Allow me to express this differently: The #3 overall draft pick may be a single pick, but it’s worth multiple first round picks. And Tua is worth an additional first. The #3 overall draft pick MIGHT be worth multiple first round picks. Based on his track record though I wouldn't expect their GM to pull off any savvy high-end draft trades. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:29:45 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Watson decides to sit out if not traded they don't have a lot of leverage. I do not want to Dolphins to trade for him. Too much draft capital and a huge cap hit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. They could renegotiate the contract to obviate the cap problem. I'd take him if it's for the third overall and maybe a couple second rounders. He's worth that. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:30:16 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that were true every game would open as pick 'em. They don't. I'm not a gambler so take this as a novice looking for more info. My understanding is that the odds are related the wagers being placed, are you saying that isn't the case? Can you explain how that works? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:35:56 PM EDT
[#10]
Garrett caught Hardman?
 That dude is a freak. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:44:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Garrett caught Hardman? That dude is a freak. Yeah, that guy is fast for his size
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:50:37 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a gambler so take this as a novice looking for more info. My understanding is that the odds are related the wagers being placed, are you saying that isn't the case? Can you explain how that works? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If that were true every game would open as pick 'em. They don't. I'm not a gambler so take this as a novice looking for more info. My understanding is that the odds are related the wagers being placed, are you saying that isn't the case? Can you explain how that works? Generally the oddsmakers put out a line they think will, more or less, get equal money on both sides. But there are also moneyline bets (taking a team to win SU) to consider. Then based on how the betting is going or certain players (usually just QBs) being announced out the line will change. I remember one time news broke about Rodgers not playing. Less than a minute later the line was taken down and then when it came back up there was a 10 point swing. Side note: Rodgers is the only QB I can recall ever causing a swing that high. Usually it's around a 7 point swing for good-great franchise QBs. If what that other poster said was true that would mean this game right now opened as a pick 'em (no team is favored) and only jumped to Chiefs -10 AFTER the betting started. That makes zero sense. There is not a chance in hell any legit sportsbook would offer the Chiefs at even money to simply beat the Browns. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:57:53 PM EDT
[#13]
1st and 10 from your opponent's 25 and you end up punting from your own 38.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:03:42 PM EDT
[#14]
They are still hyping the Pro Bowl? WTF is the Pro Bowl even supposed to be this year?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:04:53 PM EDT
[#15]
What happened to Mahommes foot?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:06:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Multiple medical masks blowing around on the field of a playoff game.
Any other year that might seem strange. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:08:31 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Watson is mostly likely driving down is own trade value, and I think there's a trade clause in his contract that gives him even more control over the situation. If I'm the Houston GM, I would most likely accept Miami's #3 overall pick and Tua. I'd ask for more, but I'd settle for that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Getting hotter. Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. Watson is mostly likely driving down is own trade value, and I think there's a trade clause in his contract that gives him even more control over the situation. If I'm the Houston GM, I would most likely accept Miami's #3 overall pick and Tua. I'd ask for more, but I'd settle for that. If he is smart he is driving down his trade value. He doesn’t want to cost his new team good players. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:13:04 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened to Mahommes foot? He went into the medical tent after a throw. I didn't hear anything definitive. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:14:15 PM EDT
[#19]
Terrible PI call.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:15:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He went into the medical tent after a throw. I didn't hear anything definitive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happened to Mahommes foot? He went into the medical tent after a throw. I didn't hear anything definitive. Left big toe. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:15:18 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Allow me to express this differently: The #3 overall draft pick may be a single pick, but it’s worth multiple first round picks. And Tua is worth an additional first. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Getting hotter. Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. Watson is mostly likely driving down is own trade value, and I think there's a trade clause in his contract that gives him even more control over the situation. If I'm the Houston GM, I would most likely accept Miami's #3 overall pick and Tua. I'd ask for more, but I'd settle for that. So a single first round pick and an injury prone unproven QB for a proven top 10 (maybe top 5) franchise QB? https://media1.tenor.com/images/d6334a57f035787c4f72a7b96fc95900/tenor.gif?itemid=7363102 So, three things: 1) Not all 1st round picks carry the same value. The picks towards the front of the draft (ie #3) carry exponentially more value than those even in the middle of the round. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0R20_D0V0Ci3c6WkrdWX5qdWELU=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/12319645/Screen_Shot_2018_08_17_at_1.21.39_PM.png 2) Draft picks for the current year are worth more than future draft picks. Depending upon who is doing the trading and how desperate they are, a 1st round pick for 2022 or 2023 might only be worth a 2nd or even 3rd round pick for 2021. 3) I think most people would agree that Tua still carries 1st round trade value if traded before the 2021 draft. The #3 overall pick + Tua would be HUGE trade value. And that Watson is an expensive guy that has some control over the situation and is going to make your life difficult if you're the Texans GM who will likely be short on options. Of course early first round picks hold more value than mid or late first picks. However, a single first round pick, regardless of where, is way too little. The only exception might be if it was the first overall and the Texans could draft Lawrence. Also if the Texans dump Watson they are almost certainly going to suck for the next half decade. So let's say the Texans use that 3rd overall pick on a DE or a O-lineman. Even IF they worked out great by the time the Texans were finally good his rookie deal would be up and the Texans would either have to make him the highest paid (or close to it) at their position or lose him. Not to mention if you're going to suck for an extended period of time it's better to really suck and get a top 3 pick every year than just kinda suck and get a 6-10 pick. Allow me to express this differently: The #3 overall draft pick may be a single pick, but it’s worth multiple first round picks. And Tua is worth an additional first. A lot of people would disagree on Tua being worth a first. Houston may be dumb enough to believe it though. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:19:48 PM EDT
[#22]
The Browns.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:20:22 PM EDT
[#23]
LOL. The Browns is the Browns.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:20:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Unbelievable. I hate when players try to reach out like that
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:20:34 PM EDT
[#25]
Damn.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:21:01 PM EDT
[#26]
Nice hit, nice fumble and nice touch back KC
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:21:48 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unbelievable. I hate when players try to reach out like that Yeah very risky for sure |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:22:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unbelievable. I hate when players try to reach out like that In a situation like that it's pure selfishness. Secure the ball and your team has it 1st and goal at the one, but nope, THEY want to be the one to score. A similar thing happened with Dez's non-catch. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:24:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Chiefs player definitely got away with leading with the helmet
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:24:32 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chiefs player definitely got away with leading with the helmet Yeah I missed that in real time. What a shame. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:24:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice hit, nice fumble and nice touch back KC Mighty nice targeting hit. I disagree with plays not being reviewable. Every play should be reviewable. That's a huge dagger into the Browns. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:28:32 PM EDT
[#32]
Yeah Sorenson has been called in the past for leading with the helmet. Sad he's not learned from past penalties
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:32:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people would disagree on Tua being worth a first. Houston may be dumb enough to believe it though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Getting hotter. Trade the Texans back their picks from the Tunsil trade so basically the Texans traded a top 10 franchise QB for a left tackle with one year left on his contract at the time. But seriously, if the Texans accept anything less than 3 firsts for Watson they are beyond incompetent. Even by Bill O'Brien standards. Watson is mostly likely driving down is own trade value, and I think there's a trade clause in his contract that gives him even more control over the situation. If I'm the Houston GM, I would most likely accept Miami's #3 overall pick and Tua. I'd ask for more, but I'd settle for that. So a single first round pick and an injury prone unproven QB for a proven top 10 (maybe top 5) franchise QB? https://media1.tenor.com/images/d6334a57f035787c4f72a7b96fc95900/tenor.gif?itemid=7363102 So, three things: 1) Not all 1st round picks carry the same value. The picks towards the front of the draft (ie #3) carry exponentially more value than those even in the middle of the round. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0R20_D0V0Ci3c6WkrdWX5qdWELU=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/12319645/Screen_Shot_2018_08_17_at_1.21.39_PM.png 2) Draft picks for the current year are worth more than future draft picks. Depending upon who is doing the trading and how desperate they are, a 1st round pick for 2022 or 2023 might only be worth a 2nd or even 3rd round pick for 2021. 3) I think most people would agree that Tua still carries 1st round trade value if traded before the 2021 draft. The #3 overall pick + Tua would be HUGE trade value. And that Watson is an expensive guy that has some control over the situation and is going to make your life difficult if you're the Texans GM who will likely be short on options. Of course early first round picks hold more value than mid or late first picks. However, a single first round pick, regardless of where, is way too little. The only exception might be if it was the first overall and the Texans could draft Lawrence. Also if the Texans dump Watson they are almost certainly going to suck for the next half decade. So let's say the Texans use that 3rd overall pick on a DE or a O-lineman. Even IF they worked out great by the time the Texans were finally good his rookie deal would be up and the Texans would either have to make him the highest paid (or close to it) at their position or lose him. Not to mention if you're going to suck for an extended period of time it's better to really suck and get a top 3 pick every year than just kinda suck and get a 6-10 pick. Allow me to express this differently: The #3 overall draft pick may be a single pick, but it’s worth multiple first round picks. And Tua is worth an additional first. A lot of people would disagree on Tua being worth a first. Houston may be dumb enough to believe it though. There are 10+ teams that would be well served by trading their first rounder for Tua. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:34:35 PM EDT
[#34]
Very frustrating that you can stop the game for 5 minutes to adjudicate a first down gain, but can't even look at a player leading with his head to make a tackle, especially with all the head injury bullshit.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:34:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice hit, nice fumble and nice touch back KC I mean, it was an illegal hit, but sure. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:36:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a situation like that it's pure selfishness. Secure the ball and your team has it 1st and goal at the one, but nope, THEY want to be the one to score. A similar thing happened with Dez's non-catch. Agreed. 4th and goal? Sure, go ahead and reach. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:46:19 PM EDT
[#37]
Hopefully they were able to do something for Mahomes’s foot. He’s going to need that mobility to keep the game going with the imbalance at the LoS.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:47:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Horrible decision to throw the ball to a stationary WR with 2 defenders feet away
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:47:46 PM EDT
[#39]
That's ball game.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:53:28 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's ball game. Nah. It’s a 16 point game with almost half the game left, and the Chiefs offense is sputtering the same they they have for much of the season. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:58:45 PM EDT
[#41]
3rd and inches, you should roll out and take a shot for the endzone. QB sneak on 4th down if you don't make it.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:59:01 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah. It’s a 16 point game with almost half the game left, and the Chiefs offense is sputtering the same they they have for much of the season. Don't give me hope.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:59:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Nicely done. Browns are not going gentle into that good night.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:59:51 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's ball game. A 9 point game 5 1/2 mins into the 3rd quarter with the winning team's QB apparently playing injured. FAR from a done deal. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:00:14 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah. It’s a 16 point game with almost half the game left, and the Chiefs offense is sputtering the same they they have for much of the season. I wouldn't call it sputtering, but yeah they aren't playing at a level that confidently seals this. Especially after that hot drive the Browns just had. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:05:16 PM EDT
[#46]
Not a catch.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:05:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Mahomes looked fucked up.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:06:17 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are 10+ teams that would be well served by trading their first rounder for Tua. The bloom is off the rose with Tua. He really didn’t play well and his mechanics are a disaster. Many of the Dolphins wins were due to takeaways and return scores. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:06:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Mahomes hurt
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:06:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Run roh
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