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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:37:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: There is a really good logistics video out there about the amount of trucks needed to support a BTG in relation to distance outside of Russia/Belarus proper. Key is rail. Good news for Poland. Bad news for Ukraine. That said it used a Soviet based plan for numbers crunching. It was +/- 60km a day iirc for spearhead forces. Poland recently projected Russia would take Warsaw on day five. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:37:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: So if they won’t fight for their own land, why is there a big push for us to do if for them? Sounds like they just rolled over and took it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: Originally Posted By JBobM: Ukrainian has still not mobilized. Not sure if they will resist if a full-scale invasion happens. https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-22-22/index.html So if they won’t fight for their own land, why is there a big push for us to do if for them? Sounds like they just rolled over and took it. There is a big push for us to fight for them? Really? By whom? |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:39:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikefromTX: In case no one has mentioned it, this is exactly how WW II started. Hitler told everyone he was just taking back the Sudetenland, German territory taken away at the end of WW I. Everyone looked the other way. Then he took Poland, and Yugoslavia, and eventually France, and dared anyone to say anything. Europe finally pitched in, but were behind the game by then. Now Putin is saying he's just taking back the parts of Ukraine that are actually Russian territory. Sound familiar? I just hope we're running our bomb and ammo factories full speed, 24 hours a day, because we're going to need them. I know this is anecdotal, but my mom works at a navy defense plant for Northrop Grumman. I talked to her a little while ago after she got off work, she said its been dead. She was on 3rd shift, she is now on 1st because there was absolutely nothing for 3rd shift to do. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:39:38 PM EDT
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You'd think a genocide against their people to the tune of ten million give or take a few million would make Ukrainians hate the shit out of Russia but I guess not?
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:39:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: There is a big push for us to fight for them? Really? By whom? All the people bitching about sanctions. Other than sanctions, what else can you do? |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:39:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Poland recently projected Russia would take Warsaw on day five. 1:1 or with nato backing? |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:42:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: You'd think a genocide against their people to the tune of ten million give or take a few million would make Ukrainians hate the shit out of Russia but I guess not? What makes you think they don't? |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:42:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motown_steve: AND eight F-35! We need to send a bunch F-15EXs to use as missile trucks for them |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:43:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: All the people bitching about sanctions. Other than sanctions, what else can you do? Reinforce our eastern NATO allies, provide weapons, intelligence and training to Ukraine forces. We could start cranking out petroleum, building nuke plants, to drive down the price of energy. That will financially hurt Russia, and Putin and his oligarch pals, worse than sanctions. But, we won't do most of that. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:43:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: US moving Apaches to Baltics
800 huh, times are tough. Oil ain't cheap. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: We could start cranking out petroleum, building nuke plants, to drive down the price of energy. Not a bad idea... |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:44:22 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: You'd think a genocide against their people to the tune of ten million give or take a few million would make Ukrainians hate the shit out of Russia but I guess not? They don’t because it was a bit more complex than that. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:46:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
[#14]
At this point one has to wonder what Ukraine is waiting for and just drop the hammer on them and draw first blood. Get them off balance. Suck them in your killing fields and get to work before you get a zerg train run on your ass and become a smoking pile of ruble.
There’s no more pretense. You’ve arrived at your destination: full-scale war across your country. Dick so hard. Time to fuck. Kill commies for mommy already. Lessss go! |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:46:29 PM EDT
[#15]
All the US knows how to do these days is sanctions sanctions sanctions. Just like they do on their own citizens by cutting them off on everything while prices continue to rise.
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: No actually they haven’t. Most Russians are enjoying the highest rise in standard of living under him. Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:47:40 PM EDT
[#17]
 Secretary Blinken holds a joint press availability with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba - 4:15 PM |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Reinforce our eastern NATO allies, provide weapons, intelligence and training to Ukraine forces. We could start cranking out petroleum, building nuke plants, to drive down the price of energy. That will financially hurt Russia, and Putin and his oligarch pals, worse than sanctions. But, we won't do most of that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Originally Posted By runfrumu: All the people bitching about sanctions. Other than sanctions, what else can you do? Reinforce our eastern NATO allies, provide weapons, intelligence and training to Ukraine forces. We could start cranking out petroleum, building nuke plants, to drive down the price of energy. That will financially hurt Russia, and Putin and his oligarch pals, worse than sanctions. But, we won't do most of that. Ukraines will be getting On The Job training in the coming days. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:49:39 PM EDT
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Why aren't NATO countries next to Ukraine giving statements? Why is always us?
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:50:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHe looks like a moldy bowl of week-old oatmeal. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:52:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Ok let me put some poker chips down. Here is what I think will happen. This is based on best outcome for everyone involved on the easter european leader/oligarch stage. Eastern Ukraine becomes an independent entity. They will be poor and proud, the coal they mine will continue to pour into China. Rinat Akhmetov will keep making money, and he will never worry about green energy or global warming standards of the EU ever again. Zelensky will be happy to get rid of Russian speaking provinces. Ukraine will join NATO, after they concede territory. They will never have to share oxygen with the hated moskali ever again. Zelensky will go and live happily ever after in the US. His successors will continue on the ultra nationalists pass for the country. Belarusian refineries will be under Russian military control. Lukashenkos will become irrelevant and will no longer have leverage on Putin. Color revolution in Belarus will no longer be a mortal threat to Putins regime. Putin will look great to the vatniks sitting in their hrushevkas. Russia will continue its demographic decline. Putin and his buddies will continue selling gas and making money. Its a thug life. The spice must flow. The end. This seems to coincide with that should rationally happen Putin does not seem to be stupid or crazy But all depends on how much the world reacts to his probing and posturing He's going to extend as far as he can without sustaining too much damage At this point, he's way ahead of the curve having essentially taken control without having real responsibility nor real losses or real expense* (*this has been covered) |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:52:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NBCMarine]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: No actually they haven’t. Most Russians are enjoying the highest rise in standard of living under him. Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. Which goes a long way over there atm. Historically saying Russians under Putin live the best life in the whole history of Russia is not a very high bar to jump but it’s disingenuous to say they are suffering under him. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:52:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TylerF]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: 1:1 or with nato backing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Poland recently projected Russia would take Warsaw on day five. 1:1 or with nato backing? That answer I'm not sure of, but I know it caused a huge scandal in Poland when it got to the Polish public last year. Like, so embarrassing they deemed most of it classified, and is the major reason they are doubling their defense spending over the next decade. It showed the Polish military is quite out of date, and undermanned for their own defensive needs. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:53:00 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: 1:1 or with nato backing? With backing. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:53:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tstorms: My money's on the Poles Yeah they remember everything and it put steel in their soul's. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: No actually they haven’t. Most Russians are enjoying the highest rise in standard of living under him. Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. Regardless, he's not wrong though. Standard of living is way up from what it was, and is really not bad for those in the cities and for some in the countryside. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:53:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OBird: Half-listening…did Biden just say he’s sending troops to the Baltics now? No, that's what the marionettest is saying. Biden is just doing what the marionette strings make him do with approximately the equivalent level of self-awareness as one of Gipetto's wooden marionette puppets that isn't Pinocchio. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:53:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. I read that Putin was giving an increase to pensions for those living in Russia controlled Ukraine. They are going to get somewhere close to $200/month. Ukraine provide less than $80/month for those on pensions |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:54:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Which goes a long way over there atm. Historically saying Russians under Putin live the best life in the whole history of Russia is not a very high bar to jump but it’s disingenuous to say they are suffering under him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: No actually they haven’t. Most Russians are enjoying the highest rise in standard of living under him. Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. Which goes a long way over there atm. Historically saying Russians under Putin live the best life in the whole history of Russia is not a very high bar to jump but it’s disingenuous to say they are suffering under him. While you're not wrong, the shitty part is it could be a LOT better if Putin didn't run the country like the crooked oligarch he is. Yeah, it's better since they aren't a communist nation anymore...but it could be way better if they had a leader that gave a shit about them. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TylerF: I know what Ryan is talking about. It was wargames run by the Polish military High Command. That answer I'm not sure of, but I know it caused a huge scandal in Poland when it got to the Polish public last year. Like, so embarrassing they deemed most of it classified, and is the major reason they are doubling their defense spending over the next decade. It showed the Polish military was quite out of date, and undermanned for their own defensive needs. This. They immediately went and started a program to double their military in size and bought 250 M1A2 SEP V3s. You can tell they wanted them fast because they and all their systems will come from Lima Ohio instead of turning this into a ten year “technology transfer” boondoggle. They’ll be delivered in 2022 and 2023. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:57:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: While you're not wrong, the shitty part is it could be a LOT better if Putin didn't run the country like the crooked oligarch he is. Yeah, it's better since they aren't a communist nation anymore...but it could be way better if they had a leader that gave a shit about them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: No actually they haven't. Most Russians are enjoying the highest rise in standard of living under him. Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. Which goes a long way over there atm. Historically saying Russians under Putin live the best life in the whole history of Russia is not a very high bar to jump but it's disingenuous to say they are suffering under him. While you're not wrong, the shitty part is it could be a LOT better if Putin didn't run the country like the crooked oligarch he is. Yeah, it's better since they aren't a communist nation anymore...but it could be way better if they had a leader that gave a shit about them.  The Origins of Russian Authoritarianism |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 5:59:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: 1:1 or with nato backing? |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:00:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Blinken says he wont meet with Lavrov. That will show them!
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:02:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JBobM]
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Trump's response.
"I went in yesterday, and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius,'" he said. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful." "I said, 'How smart is that?' He's going to go in and be a peacekeeper, "That's the strongest peace force. We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. There were more army tanks than I've ever seen. They're going to keep peace, all right." https://thehill.com/policy/international/595373-trump-on-putin-plan-to-recognize-breakaway-ukraine-regions-this-is |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:02:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Blinken says he wont meet with Lavrov. That will show them! Damn. I was really hoping Lavrov would bring that reset button and they could push it together in a moment of international peaceful solidarity. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:02:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Poland withstood attacks from Germany and the Soviet Union for a month before it fell at the start of WWII... And that was not being well equipped. Neither were the Germans |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:02:42 PM EDT
[#38]
 Trump praises Putin's 'genius' plan to invade Ukraine This probably isn't helping things... |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:03:08 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: I would get the hell out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Intense video of shelling from inside someone's home.
I would get the hell out. No kidding. But I guess some people are just stuck with no way out. That video is the first one in these past few days that genuinely disturbed me. That has got to be absolutely freaking horrifying. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:03:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: While you're not wrong, the shitty part is it could be a LOT better if Putin didn't run the country like the crooked oligarch he is. Yeah, it's better since they aren't a communist nation anymore...but it could be way better if they had a leader that gave a shit about them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: No actually they haven’t. Most Russians are enjoying the highest rise in standard of living under him. Maybe for them. But 90% of Russians earn less than a fulltime McDonalds worker. Which goes a long way over there atm. Historically saying Russians under Putin live the best life in the whole history of Russia is not a very high bar to jump but it’s disingenuous to say they are suffering under him. While you're not wrong, the shitty part is it could be a LOT better if Putin didn't run the country like the crooked oligarch he is. Yeah, it's better since they aren't a communist nation anymore...but it could be way better if they had a leader that gave a shit about them. It would be great to wave a magic wand there and fix everything but it doesn’t exist to my knowledge. Russia had to take quite a few steps to get to where it is today. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. The population that started the Russian federation had been literally brain washed by communist for generations. Explaining things to them like simple customer service was like trying to find a program that didn’t exist on a hard drive. I honestly don’t think anyone short of Putin’s ruthless cunning could of held it together. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:04:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Poland withstood attacks from Germany and the Soviet Union for a month before it fell at the start of WWII... And that was not being well equipped. Poland's military in 1939 was 10x bigger than it is now. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:05:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
 But they probably blew up the house. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:06:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Reinforce our eastern NATO allies, provide weapons, intelligence and training to Ukraine forces. We could start cranking out petroleum, building nuke plants, to drive down the price of energy. That will financially hurt Russia, and Putin and his oligarch pals, worse than sanctions. But, we won't do most of that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Originally Posted By runfrumu: All the people bitching about sanctions. Other than sanctions, what else can you do? Reinforce our eastern NATO allies, provide weapons, intelligence and training to Ukraine forces. We could start cranking out petroleum, building nuke plants, to drive down the price of energy. That will financially hurt Russia, and Putin and his oligarch pals, worse than sanctions. But, we won't do most of that. We should've been going whole hog on nuclear for a while. Facts. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:06:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: walkinginadangerzone]
[#44]
Two people died in the LPR as a result of a direct hit by an anti-tank missile on a civilian vehicle.
Massive explosion in Donetsk
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:06:23 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: I read that Putin was giving an increase to pensions for those living in Russia controlled Ukraine. They are going to get somewhere close to $200/month. Ukraine provide less than $80/month for those on pensions My wife was talking to her mother about this today. Every one of her family thats a pensioner would welcome becoming part of Russia with open arm |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:07:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Why aren't NATO countries next to Ukraine giving statements? Why is always us? I mean, the Dutch PM called Putin totally paranoid. Which isn't wrong, but that amused me 
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:08:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBobM: Trump's response. https://thehill.com/policy/international/595373-trump-on-putin-plan-to-recognize-breakaway-ukraine-regions-this-is Good to see that he hasn't lost his penchant for stepping in shit. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:10:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: All the people bitching about sanctions. Other than sanctions, what else can you do? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: There is a big push for us to fight for them? Really? By whom? All the people bitching about sanctions. Other than sanctions, what else can you do? The sanctions are weak sanctions. They should be economy crushing. They are not. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Poland's military in 1939 was 10x bigger than it is now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Poland withstood attacks from Germany and the Soviet Union for a month before it fell at the start of WWII... And that was not being well equipped. Poland's military in 1939 was 10x bigger than it is now. So was Russias. At the start of ww2 Russia had over 2.5 million. Considering they have the majority of their military on Ukraines doorstep at about 150k give or take I'm sure Poland can hold out for quite a bit with their 160k. Battles favor the defender and Poland has a lot of defenders. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 6:12:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBobM: Trump's response. https://thehill.com/policy/international/595373-trump-on-putin-plan-to-recognize-breakaway-ukraine-regions-this-is 
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