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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:17:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Well there you have it. Pack it up boys! It's over |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Article is from 2015, includes other US military services and exports with all sides exchanging info for upkeep of systems. I would imagine older systems can be included, since replacing batteries checking electronics etc. can be done. I refurbished systems for Raytheon in the past. I get that. Does that actually apply? Like, have they done that, upgraded the old ones or rotated them out or anything? Obviously it's totally doable. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:17:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: O2 deprivation from extended mask wear. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By Zam18th:  Looks like someone has had one too many drinks.  |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: what does his sign say?
So, have American police in liberal cites been taking lessons from them or vice-versa? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTAC: Is the ignore list only for paying accounts? I only see report hser Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTAC: Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By Brok3n: Russian trolls will often pretend they are from other Western nations in order to sow distrust. Getting Americans mad at Aussies is his secondary goal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65378/Capture9-2286215.png Is the ignore list only for paying accounts? I only see report hser Yes. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:27:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Very convincing...yup, it's over. Time to go home & change the subject! Back to The View... |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: I get that. Does that actually apply? Like, have they done that, upgraded the old ones or rotated them out or anything? Obviously it's totally doable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Article is from 2015, includes other US military services and exports with all sides exchanging info for upkeep of systems. I would imagine older systems can be included, since replacing batteries checking electronics etc. can be done. I refurbished systems for Raytheon in the past. I get that. Does that actually apply? Like, have they done that, upgraded the old ones or rotated them out or anything? Obviously it's totally doable. From my experience yes, if customer paid for a system to be refurbished we did it. Cannot say which systems, and some were for export customers. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Yes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Originally Posted By CTAC: Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By Brok3n: Russian trolls will often pretend they are from other Western nations in order to sow distrust. Getting Americans mad at Aussies is his secondary goal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65378/Capture9-2286215.png Is the ignore list only for paying accounts? I only see report hser Yes. Report the hoser, eh?
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: lol, nice reference. He was the quintessential Yes-man for MacArthur. Jawohl, mein general. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:31:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nickmemphis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: From my experience yes, if customer paid for a system to be refurbished we did it. Cannot say which systems, and some were for export customers. Yeah obviously if they paid to have it done, but did they do so, is my point. Because the army does things like scrap all the Mark 2 because the new Mark 3 claymore has the "Front Towards Enemy" frieze in a different less racist font. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:35:55 PM EDT
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Wonder if Ukrainian armor folks might put fake Zs on as needed to hide from Russian attacks?
How much of the Russian military is tied up in this? It seems like they pulled units from the Russian Far East. That would seem to make them vulnerable to a billion screaming Chinamen, unless say, they have an agreement, or just relying on nukes for a deterrent? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:38:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Yeah obviously if they paid to have it done, but did they do so, is my point. Because the army does things like scrap all the Mark 2 because the new Mark 3 claymore has the "Front Towards Enemy" frieze in a different less racist font. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: From my experience yes, if customer paid for a system to be refurbished we did it. Cannot say which systems, and some were for export customers. Yeah obviously if they paid to have it done, but did they do so, is my point. Because the army does things like scrap all the Mark 2 because the new Mark 3 claymore has the "Front Towards Enemy" frieze in a different less racist font. Depends on the terms of the specific contract, the various subcontractors involved etc. Not saying derpy stuff doesn't happen in the defense industry lol, but we sent stuff back out into the field after refurbishing it for years. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc: Wonder if Ukrainian armor folks might put fake Zs on as needed to hide from Russian attacks? How much of the Russian military is tied up in this? It seems like they pulled units from the Russian Far East. That would seem to make them vulnerable to a billion screaming Chinamen, unless say, they have an agreement, or just relying on nukes for a deterrent? That's a dangerous game, First day of deer season I'm going to put antlers on my head and wear my deer colored coat while I try to sneak into the herd without getting noticed. What could go wrong. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:39:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc: Wonder if Ukrainian armor folks might put fake Zs on as needed to hide from Russian attacks? How much of the Russian military is tied up in this? It seems like they pulled units from the Russian Far East. That would seem to make them vulnerable to a billion screaming Chinamen, unless say, they have an agreement, or just relying on nukes for a deterrent? China has all but officially annexed the Russian Far East. It’s the largest wave of illegal immigration in the world, and I’m sure Xi absolutely loves the justifications of looking after ethnic interests. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:42:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc: Wonder if Ukrainian armor folks might put fake Zs on as needed to hide from Russian attacks? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc: Wonder if Ukrainian armor folks might put fake Zs on as needed to hide from Russian attacks?  Attached File That would seem to make them vulnerable to a billion screaming Chinamen, unless say, they have an agreement... China joins Russia in opposing Nato expansion |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:48:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:49:08 PM EDT
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Blinken On Why Putin Didn’t Escalate During Trump Admin: “Ask Him”
 Blinken On Why Putin Didn’t Escalate During Trump Admin: “Ask Him” Biden Pentagon Spox Can’t Say Biden Has Learned Any Lessons From His Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal  Biden Pentagon Spox Can’t Say Biden Has Learned Any Lessons From His Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/Z4zombie_jpg-2286517.JPG China joins Russia in opposing Nato expansion Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By Ronnoc: Wonder if Ukrainian armor folks might put fake Zs on as needed to hide from Russian attacks? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/Z4zombie_jpg-2286517.JPG That would seem to make them vulnerable to a billion screaming Chinamen, unless say, they have an agreement... China joins Russia in opposing Nato expansion Russian OPSec seems off, why so many telegraphed moves? Leverage? Maximum Drama? Seems the more show you put on, the more you can demand ? Why mass more than 75% of your forces in ONE LOCATION? AND tell the world... |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:08:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: The Israelis and the Brits are telling your government the same thing--------------there is no war in the offing BAM BAM public domain British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says Russia is planning "the biggest war in Europe since 1945" - BBC |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:10:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cincinnatus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe: Russian OPSec seems off, why so many telegraphed moves? Leverage? Maximum Drama? Seems the more show you put on, the more you can demand ? Why mass more than 75% of your forces in ONE LOCATION? AND tell the world... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By Ronnoc: Wonder if Ukrainian armor folks might put fake Zs on as needed to hide from Russian attacks? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/Z4zombie_jpg-2286517.JPG That would seem to make them vulnerable to a billion screaming Chinamen, unless say, they have an agreement... China joins Russia in opposing Nato expansion Russian OPSec seems off, why so many telegraphed moves? Leverage? Maximum Drama? Seems the more show you put on, the more you can demand ? Why mass more than 75% of your forces in ONE LOCATION? AND tell the world... It is impossible to mass enough forces to effectively invade a large country without everyone noticing. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:10:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OBird]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe: Russian OPSec seems off, why so many telegraphed moves? Leverage? Maximum Drama? Seems the more show you put on, the more you can demand ? Why mass more than 75% of your forces in ONE LOCATION? AND tell the world... You can’t really hide something that big. We couldn’t “hide” our build-up to Iraq in 2003 either; it wasn’t exactly a secret. You also can’t compare this to, say, the secrecy of the Normandy landings. The troops were already staged in the UK, the Germans knew we were coming, the only secrecy was when and exactly where. Which remains a secret to us now…none of us know when Russia might invade or how much they would take. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:11:18 PM EDT
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My wife just got off Skype with her parents in Ukraine, north east of Odessa. No one seems super concerned, and they said everything was normal. It's my FIL's birthday today, so I'm sure the party will be rolling for a while. It would suck to be hungover when it kicks off, hoping it's not happening tonight.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:13:09 PM EDT
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"I said the war was coming, here it is."
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:16:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:16:49 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Biden: "I want my damn war, send in those, you know those guys to get it kicked off..." |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Sure sounds like war but it's only an amuse bouche to an actual invasion. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:21:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: @mods can we throw this dude out of the thread? It helps if you report this kind of behavior. He is banned from the thread. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:21:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: It helps if you report this kind of behavior. He is banned from the thread. 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Originally Posted By guns762: It helps if you report this kind of behavior. He is banned from the thread. Thank goodness. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:28:14 PM EDT
[#30]
 Germany prepares to send arms, troops to Lithuania |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:33:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: walkinginadangerzone]
[#31]
Alleged Belgorod region. Lots of military equipment in a field.
 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:40:22 PM EDT
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Recap:
 Attached FileHere ya go, boys.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:41:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Recap: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/AdoptUkrainian01_jpg-2281255.JPG Here ya go, boys.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/UkraineFemRes_800_jpg-2286586.JPG What shotgun is that? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: It is impossible to mass enough forces to effectively invade a large country without everyone noticing. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:44:40 PM EDT
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Unknown location.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:46:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: "I said the war was coming, here it is."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrQGMLi7U4That dude is a total commie |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:48:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FrankyRay]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: What shotgun is that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Recap: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/AdoptUkrainian01_jpg-2281255.JPG Here ya go, boys.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/UkraineFemRes_800_jpg-2286586.JPG What shotgun is that? Can't say, but in looking closer, your questions made me realize she has excellent trigger finger discipline.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:49:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brundoggie: British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says Russia is planning "the biggest war in Europe since 1945" - BBC Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brundoggie: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: The Israelis and the Brits are telling your government the same thing--------------there is no war in the offing BAM BAM public domain British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says Russia is planning "the biggest war in Europe since 1945" - BBC And Israel asked for time to get their people out. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GhostMog312: That dude is a total commie Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GhostMog312: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: "I said the war was coming, here it is." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrQGMLi7U4That dude is a total commie Oh? I didn't, you know, do a background check on the guy. Just looking at it for a perspective from someone who is there. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:55:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Oh? I didn't, you know, do a background check on the guy. Just looking at it for a perspective from someone who is there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By GhostMog312: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: "I said the war was coming, here it is." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrQGMLi7U4That dude is a total commie Oh? I didn't, you know, do a background check on the guy. Just looking at it for a perspective from someone who is there. I was just making an observation, geez |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:55:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: walkinginadangerzone]
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:56:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CharlieR]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Arguing that what the Russian army has assembled is somewhere between austistic and idiotic because it’s most of their combat power and the situation is Rumsfeldian: you go to war with the army you have. Not only do you go to war with the army you have but in this case it is significantly more powerful than Ukraine’s armed forces in every meaningful way: their EW is stronger,air defense far more powerful,air forces many times stronger,armor force larger,artillery far more numerous and it has forced the Ukrainians to spread what they do have thinly against 3 fronts,4 if you count Transnistria. It is just outright idiotic to in any way claim that the Russian forces assembled are not a very valid risk to Ukraine’s integrity and sovereignty.... Putin quite simply cannot lose. Even if nothing at all happens he shows that he “protected” Russians from Ukrainian genocide and the sad simpletons that are the average Russians will believe it. "Rumsfeldian" is ironic. We were significantly more powerful then the Iraqi army in every meaningful way, Insanely more powerful then the Afghans in every meaningful way. If after 31 years as an independent nation, the Ukrainians don't want to be Russian, they could have external sanctuaries, multiple sources of supply, and a ready made playbook how to defeat a world power using insurgency tactics. Putin most simply can lose. Ask Dubya. Shock 'n Awe. Mission Accomplished. Not saying he will but he might, in fact he PROBABLY will lose...the answer lies not in his firepower but the willingness of the Ukrainians to fight. 3% is a million man insurgency. How many counterinsurgents does that take? How much does it cost? What is the Russian GDP? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:58:20 PM EDT
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Another angle from the tweet above.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:58:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: And here we see Oz really stepping on himself. There are a lot of well known professionals here. You don't look smart arguing with them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Did the Russians recognize that you were a Russian Military Expert from a Western nation, and have the FSB follow and harass you all the time you were there? They must have even suspected that you were a spook, right? They suspect everyone. Did they eventually PNG you, rather than allow you to further hone your amazing expertise, fearing that one day you would bring it to bear against them? No? How about that… Click. LOL no, I'm really old and not very interesting. However, I am accurate. And here we see Oz really stepping on himself. There are a lot of well known professionals here. You don't look smart arguing with them. The dude is a janitor at one of their Covid Camps |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 3:59:27 PM EDT
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I watched the latest S2underground video talking about the pontoon bridge. My guess is that they are using it for mainly as traning with a small amount of deception (placement - would not want to train where they intend to actually use). They will need bridges in the north for follow-on logistics. I would not be surprised if they are practicing and timing how quickly to put up given current conditions (hence up, then down and now back).
There are a lot Tick-Tok videos of Russia but I'm surprised what little is coming out of Ukraine. The little coverage I see where they are trying to show off quality equipment in Ukraine it just seems sparse. One could say they are trying to practice good opsec but the satellite coverage and humint that Russia has is likely telling them what they need to know. I have a bad feeling about Ukraine getting in artillery duels with Russia but I hope I'm wrong (some of the Russian EW systems look like they might be counterfire radar but I don't know - I wonder if Ukraine has any). My guess is Russia might to take out cables, internet and other modes of communication to prevent or at least make it difficult for the west in assisting with tactical intelligence. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 4:00:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: What shotgun is that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Recap: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/AdoptUkrainian01_jpg-2281255.JPG Here ya go, boys.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/UkraineFemRes_800_jpg-2286586.JPG What shotgun is that? What shotgun? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 4:03:11 PM EDT
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Interesting OSINT ‘sources’:
Twitter - put an @ symbol in front of the name to get their handle on the platform. COUPSURE CovertShores CSBiggers KyleJGlen MarQs__ RALee85 IntelDoge IntelCrab Osinttechnical cossackgundi CITeam_en nolanwpeterson GirkinGirkin vcdgf555 ZaesADSB The_Lookout_N Will add more later |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 4:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: "Rumsfeldian" is ironic. We were significantly more powerful then the Iraqi army in every meaningful way, Insanely more powerful then the Afghans in every meaningful way. If after 31 years as an independent nation, the Ukrainians don't want to be Russian, they could have external sanctuaries, multiple sources of supply, and a ready made playbook how to defeat a world power using insurgency tactics. Putin most simply can lose. Ask Dubya. Shock 'n Awe. Mission Accomplished. Not saying he will but he might, in fact he PROBABLY will lose...the answer lies not in his firepower but the willingness of the Ukrainians to fight. 3% is a million man insurgency. How many counterinsurgents does that take? How much does it cost? What is the Russian GDP? Nobody is going to supply a Ukrainian insurgency. There is no nuclear power that will fund and supply it,unlike America’s defeat by Pakistan’s proxies. |
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