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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:45:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike. That might have been the case in the 70s and 80s when both sides had 30,000 nukes, but it simply isn't feasible today. But yeah allegedly the US had some funny targeting calculus like individually targeting the KGB's 1st, 2nd, and 5th directorates with separate warheads even though they were housed in the same building. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:46:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Agreed. Something's rotten in Denmark, and there's a story behind the invasion that we don't know about. The sheer ineptitude of Russia doesn't add up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Originally Posted By PFran42: Re: Baofengs and unencrypted comms. Think about how cheap and easy it would have been for Russia to have gone to China for cheap encrypted "Baofengs". They could have had a couple hundred thousand special order HTs manufactured and delivered well within the timeframe of the build up. Once again, Russia's current actions don't make any sense and I'm not prepared to write it off as "broke stupid 3rd world B team vodka drinking". Something else is in play. Agreed. Something's rotten in Denmark, and there's a story behind the invasion that we don't know about. The sheer ineptitude of Russia doesn't add up. I think its a Gilligan's Island situation. A '3 hour tour' becomes a years long disaster and struggle for survival. My take is: -Russias 'invasion force' was primarily intended as a bluff to compel either the US / NATO / Ukraine to agree that Ukraine would never ever join NATO, which is Russias primary near-term geopolitical concern. -Invasion was the Plan B, and was based largely on faulty intel / buying their own propaganda that it would be a '3 day war' ala Georgia, with Ukraines gov fleeing like Afghanistans prez, and Russia achieving its objectives before the West can unify against it, and without Russia having to be too rough on Ukraine. But their 3 Day War cruise ended up dashed on the rocks of Ukranian resistance, and now they're stranded on a desert island economically and politically.  Gilligan's Island Theme Song |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:46:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike. Is it the 1980s again? Because I have some stock purchases to make if it is. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:46:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FatSteve: Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FatSteve: Originally Posted By Zhukov: The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike. Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8? Multiple vectors of attack. Buildings would get hit with heat, pressure and gamma rays from all sides, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of hours. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:46:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Actually, from talking with my friends, a lot of Russians are pro war. It is also not guaranteed at this point yet that they will turn against Putin vs the West. Hence why Putin is ramping up the propaganda. Putin has to lose his support in order for a coup to be successful. My money is still on him being assassinated within 2 weeks. This is why sanctions and stuff have to be ramped up as fast as possible to make russians watch the quality of life go down the shitter for them and their kids, as a result of this invasion. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:47:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: Probably a surprising lot though most modern gov mil and infrastructure would be wiped and chaos would ensue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: Originally Posted By doc540: So, if a MAD event does occur, what level of life, if any, will the earth's environment support? Probably a surprising lot though most modern gov mil and infrastructure would be wiped and chaos would ensue. There will be plenty of people left to fight the next war with sticks and stones. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:47:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:47:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Troll_toes: Any update on the Romanian Mig 21 and helicopter that went down? |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:48:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp:
From the comments The same Tyumen that is in Siberia? Almost 3,000kms from Kyiv? |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:48:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Since there's no breaking war news, ill post this. It's old (12 hours ago). THIS is the face the Ukrainians want the world to see. The kind, compassionate people. Poor guy is chugging that tea like he hasn't ate in 2 weeks. War sucks.
Yet GD think the ukranians should execute him instead of doing this....inviting more to surrender..giving them good reason to stop fighting...and getting the world on their side. Oh well, simple minds, simple solutions. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:49:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Multiple vectors of attack. Buildings would get hit with heat, pressure and gamma rays from all sides, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of hours. Well, and you have sea, air and land missiles, each targeting the same thing. You have to duplicate critical targets in case, for instance, your bombers all get shot down, or your subs got sank. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:50:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macro: I recall back around 9/11 the terrorists were talking about how there are no civilians and that every american is guilty and that every american is a target. Always assumed that was simply a cultural idiosyncrasy with extremist muslims in the middle east. Apparently, between the conscripted russian citizens and the countless attacks on Ukrainian civilians, Putin holds the same posture as the 9/11 terrorists. I never expected that from a supposed orthodox christian. He is a deranged animal with no soul, and I look forward to his eternal suffering in hellfire. Putin's Christianity and our Christianity aren't the same thing. Russian Christianity is delved from the split after Constantinople, and Moscow is considered the 3rd Rome. However, they are not Western in values like you or I, or Eastern Asian. It's Russian Christianity with a superiority complex. Dirty fucking bullies, and Patton should have been allowed to regroup the German Wehrmacht to be done with them, once and for all. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:51:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: ... The best and most logical thing to do now is to negotiate some kind of peace accord, but no one is doing that, and we have to asky why? easy answer we already know - this is the opening gambit of a game played by pooh and vlad is the sacrificial knight/bishop/pawns running out front. pooh hasn't moved yet. might not - vlad probably promised him it would be over in 3 days. pooh might just push back and wait another 2-6 Presidential election cycles for another useless idiot at 1600 Pennsylvania with control of the house/senate. I was slightly calmer after pooh went on tv a day or two back and made "bad for business" noises instead of "leave internal political issues to each country" or "fellow patriotic brothers are fighting nazis trying to take over their country" noises. something stinks about all of this. |
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JPN
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:51:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Actually, from talking with my friends, a lot of Russians are pro war. It is also not guaranteed at this point yet that they will turn against Putin vs the West. Hence why Putin is ramping up the propaganda. Putin has to lose his support in order for a coup to be successful. My money is still on him being assassinated within 2 weeks. I fully expect a false flag attack, an apartment blown up, or a school attack like Beslan if he starts losing the PR and domestic press battles. He's done it before, and it worked, and he will do it again. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:52:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoSharpshooter: https://defbrief.com/2022/03/02/romanian-mig-21-iar-330-puma-helicopter-crash-near-countrys-black-sea-coast/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoSharpshooter: Originally Posted By Troll_toes: Any update on the Romanian Mig 21 and helicopter that went down? Thanks |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:52:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By kncook: A) Not all of Russias 2100 warheads are serviceable or work or are even on launch vehicles/platforms. B) They can’t launch them all against the US. They have to take out NATO and Europe targets as well. Plenty of people will survive. and targeting people is a waste. there's a lot fewer targets with substantial food and grain stores. Nuking major grain elevators, the major livestock processing plants, feedlots and fuel and tire supplies, and Mississippi barge network would kill a significant amount of the world's population with starvation at the right time of year... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG Even smarter would have half a dozen detonate at high altitude and have EMP destroy everything. Without electronics, any modern country will suffer greatly. Only benefit would be little immediate death and less fallout. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:53:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: Even smarter would have half a dozen detonate at high altitude and have EMP destroy everything. Without electronics, any modern country will suffer greatly. Only benefit would be little immediate death and less fallout. One Second After was a work of fiction that took liberties with science. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:53:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darktides: Not sure if this was posted, this is a strange timeline
Iran wants to cash in on supplying some oil??? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:54:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: So, if a MAD event does occur, what level of life, if any, will the earth's environment support? Being a microbiologist, I'm betting COVID should survive. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:54:30 AM EDT
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I'm still most worried about that giant convoy heading to Kiev.
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:54:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By kncook: A) Not all of Russias 2100 warheads are serviceable or work or are even on launch vehicles/platforms. B) They can’t launch them all against the US. They have to take out NATO and Europe targets as well. Plenty of people will survive. and targeting people is a waste. there's a lot fewer targets with substantial food and grain stores. Nuking major grain elevators, the major livestock processing plants, feedlots and fuel and tire supplies, and Mississippi barge network would kill a significant amount of the world's population with starvation at the right time of year... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG Relax and breathe Russia ain’t gonna nuke nobody Fear porn to throw out “muh nukes” in the first couple days Even if pooty wanted to. And didn’t care if he dies from the retaliatory volley. He ain’t the only billionaire on the planet. Those are the ones who call the shots when it comes down to it, we all know that Christ his own spy chief isn’t on board with invading Ukraine. And pooty don’t turn the multiple sets of keys and push the multiple buttons himself. Neither does the potato |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:55:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cav-Gunner: Iran wants to cash in on supplying some oil??? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cav-Gunner: Originally Posted By Darktides: Not sure if this was posted, this is a strange timeline
Iran wants to cash in on supplying some oil??? Maybe they can give UKR their Tomcats. 
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:55:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: A lot of life would survive but a TON of humans would die as they desperately tried to learn to farm their own food. Most people no longer know how to do that anymore and there would no longer be food. Many farmers would also be lost without modern equipment and fertilizers. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:55:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racer765: Agree with everything except that last. NATO forces are under NATO control. sniff and his minions and puppetmasters will not fuck with NATO org chart. pretty confident about that. no experience just a gut feel. Ukraine seems to be doing a pretty good job in this street fight. it's ugly. but if 10% of the population of Ukraine is able bodied, available, motivated, and supplied, there are 4 MILLION pissed off wasps trying to sting what, 150,000 Russians? with ~10 year old NATO technology weapons and the exact same small arms the Russians have? my money's on Ukraine. Russians better fix their leadership, soon. because every day their supposed top of the line military equipment is beat up, useless, stuck in the mud, captured, abandoned, burned up by molotov cocktails, etc the value of anything Russian or Russian derived (you paying attention pooh?) heads asymptotically to "live bombing range target". no country anywhere in the world is going to fear Russian military hardware or anything based on it after this public fiasco. doesn't matter if it's just incompetent users or planning. marketing is going to be a bitch. Yeah if putin steps over the nato line usa will respond but putin aint doing that anytime soon unless he's that off his rocker. Every other country in the area that isn't nato has just been given the go ahead by biden. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:55:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FatSteve: Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8? By comparison, here are some historical examples of citywide devastation. 1. Mongol Destruction of Baghdad. 25 DMT 2. Sack of Rome. 20 DMT 3. 4th Crusade Sack of Constantinople. 15 DMT 4. Fall of Troy. 10 DMT 5. Great Fire of London. 5 DMT 6. Hiroshima. 1 DMT |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:55:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: Probably a surprising lot though most modern gov mil and infrastructure would be wiped and chaos would ensue. no pornhubsky. dammit back to german scat magazines. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:57:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: A lot of life would survive but a TON of humans would die as they desperately tried to learn to farm their own food. Most people no longer know how to do that anymore and there would no longer be food. Want to know the secret of subsistence farming? Throughout history a large percentage of subsistence farmers died of starvation. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:57:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diesel24: Man I saw that earlier and it stopped me in my tracks. Not only was I floored by the compassion of the Ukrainians, but I actually felt bad for the Russian soldier. Like you I noticed him chugging that tea like he's famished as hell, and you can tell he's absolutely shell shocked. Hearing his mom's voice probably helped his mental state so much, I'm glad they did that for him. You said it best, war sucks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diesel24: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Since there's no breaking war news, ill post this. It's old (12 hours ago). THIS is the face the Ukrainians want the world to see. The kind, compassionate people. Poor guy is chugging that tea like he hasn't ate in 2 weeks. War sucks.
Man I saw that earlier and it stopped me in my tracks. Not only was I floored by the compassion of the Ukrainians, but I actually felt bad for the Russian soldier. Like you I noticed him chugging that tea like he's famished as hell, and you can tell he's absolutely shell shocked. Hearing his mom's voice probably helped his mental state so much, I'm glad they did that for him. You said it best, war sucks. I’m no analyst and don’t even know if it’s coordinated, but their messaging seems on point. If information and public opinion is a battlefield, they are dominating. -Letting Russians know what’s really happening, and that it wasn’t a training, peacekeeping, or liberation mission. -Humanizing themselves. Images of of torture and death would galvanize opponents. This is the image of parents and spouses appealing to parents and spouses. “We didn’t ask for this. Your sons and husbands didn’t ask for this. You didn’t ask for this. They invaded and are being destroyed. Please make it stop.” It’s brilliant and compelling. That plays well for them in domestic Russia and worldwide. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:57:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 01ZULU: From the comments The same Tyumen that is in Siberia? Almost 3,000kms from Kyiv? Rob Lee is posting all sorts of troops and equipment moving through Russia, he posted a huge train convoy of tanks that he said was being transferred to Ukraine. I have no idea if it's true or not. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:58:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Multiple vectors of attack. Buildings would get hit with heat, pressure and gamma rays from all sides, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of hours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By FatSteve: Originally Posted By Zhukov: The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike. Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8? Multiple vectors of attack. Buildings would get hit with heat, pressure and gamma rays from all sides, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of hours. I get the vectors thing. What I'm asking is what city can withstand a nuke? I bumped up the scenario to 7 or 8 in response to Z's position of 75. My position is that >0 is probably untenable so >75 is a ridiculous waste of nukes. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 12:58:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Basically what we should have done post 1991 after the Soviet Union collapsed. The way you permanently defeat an enemy is make them a friend; Germany and Japans post-ww2 alliance with the US shows this. Our post cold war kicking sand in the face of the defeated Russians - despite their repeated attempts to form some reproachment with the West - resulted in us re-creating an enemy we had just spent decades defeating. The flipside is China - we befriended an enemy without defeating them, and now turned a snake into a Dragon. In a parallel universe where a 1991 Marshal Plan was employed, Russia would be in NATO/EU today, having previously been a key partner in the Global War on Terror, and would now be with the US in helping crush the Chicoms. These two failures of the post Cold War era are the US's two greatest geopolitical mistakes, far eclipsing the War in Iraq. I agree. I think where we went wrong is to continue to perceive the world political “endgame” as tripolar - that is, that the main contenders for world hegemony would be 1)the US/UK 2)the EU and 3)China. Russia was frozen out and caught between those blocks. The US/UK’s single most important policy goal for 100 years has been to prevent an alliance between Germany and Russia at any cost. This colored the post-1991 peace and ultimately led to Russia’s re-emergence as an enemy. A more farsighted examination of US/UK national interests should’ve foreseen the US/UK/Europe/Russia as the most viable “endgame” block to rule the world. Those nations are culturally similar and would have absolutely crushed the Chinese permanently. Though everything is doom and gloom right now, I think that notion is back on the table. Russia needs to be chastened but thereafter needs to be forgiven and rebuilt. Ultimately Europe has to get through several hundred years of Russian psychosis, but maybe a national tragedy like the invasion of Ukraine is the sort of thing that can bring that about. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:00:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Actually, from talking with my friends, a lot of Russians are pro war. It is also not guaranteed at this point yet that they will turn against Putin vs the West. Hence why Putin is ramping up the propaganda. Putin has to lose his support in order for a coup to be successful. My money is still on him being assassinated within 2 weeks. sane well educated single actor in his close circle with the full realization it's a suicide mission acting to prevent billions of deaths? doesn't need popular support. I'm still thinking days. booth almost got away. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:01:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Rob Lee is posting all sorts of troops and equipment moving through Russia, he posted a huge train convoy of tanks that he said was being transferred to Ukraine. I have no idea if it's true or not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By 01ZULU: From the comments The same Tyumen that is in Siberia? Almost 3,000kms from Kyiv? Rob Lee is posting all sorts of troops and equipment moving through Russia, he posted a huge train convoy of tanks that he said was being transferred to Ukraine. I have no idea if it's true or not. You mean Sweden and Finland now. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:01:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: Even smarter would have half a dozen detonate at high altitude and have EMP destroy everything. Without electronics, any modern country will suffer greatly. Only benefit would be little immediate death and less fallout. Most small electronics and vehicles would probably survive. There has been a lot of advancement in the last 3 generations. Things like integral ground planes in circuit boards mitigate a lot of static damage. Electronics hooked up to antennas and the electric grid may be fried though. The grid will be in trouble too. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:01:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Rob Lee is posting all sorts of troops and equipment moving through Russia, he posted a huge train convoy of tanks that he said was being transferred to Ukraine. I have no idea if it's true or not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By 01ZULU: From the comments The same Tyumen that is in Siberia? Almost 3,000kms from Kyiv? Rob Lee is posting all sorts of troops and equipment moving through Russia, he posted a huge train convoy of tanks that he said was being transferred to Ukraine. I have no idea if it's true or not. I've been following Rob for a while, his stuff is credible. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:02:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: I know. That was my point. Russia has more than 2100 warheads- the 2100 is the estimated number that are on strategic delivery vehicles (ICBM, SLBM, bomber). In reality - as you point out - not all warheads would arrive on target, not all of them would be used against population targets, some would be used on targets outside the US, and some would be held in reserve to keep countries like China from invading or to extort undamaged countries. So, what’s a percentage that work or are targeted at us that’s acceptable? If only 20% of their nuclear arsenal works, half of those targeted at other NATO nations, that’s still 210 hits. Not saying you’re wrong, but the incredible loss of life, loss of infrastructure, and ensuing firestorms that would decimate our way of life. You think breathing in smoke from California fires sucked for states 500 miles away, just wait till the whole pacific region is on fire from nuke strikes. And who would put those fires out? They’d burn for months to years spreading radioactive ash fallout over most of the Southwest and further North depending on wind variables. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:02:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darktides: Not sure if this was posted, this is a strange timeline
Well, that's......awkward. 
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:02:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FatSteve: Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FatSteve: Originally Posted By Zhukov: The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike. Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8? Not poking at you. I see you are in CT. It’s a wee small area so I see the 7 or 8 vs 75 Those things only have a few mile radius Out here in the valley. PHX metro area is a hour and a half drive in the highway from the south east corner where folks live to the north west corner where folks live. That whole drive is past neighborhoods and store etc no barren areas. It’s take a few to zap the valley But it ain’t gonna happen so it’s all good. Here’s a visual and link https://remm.hhs.gov/zones_nucleardetonation.htm  
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:02:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: He is very far from being in a position where his only choice is to use nukes, or not. The Russians are advancing, we are on our 7th day. They are taking losses that would be unacceptable to western forces, but, it seems that they are using the old soviet strategies of winning at all costs. The amount of death and destruction we are seeing is being amplified by social media, but it's war. The same amount of death and destruction happened in Iraq, but we were on the winning team. How much does he want to sacrifice to win and claim the territory of Ukraine, and how much can he afford to lose? His troops are expendable extensions of the Russian state, and he firmly believes it's in the state's interest to remove all western influence and involvement in Ukrainian security and political influence. The problem the west has is the threat of nuclear retaliation is real, and should there be a coup attempt, and it fails, what will his reactions be? We know that most Russians don't have the full picture of what is happening, of the destruction and death, but they are certainly against this war. That is leverage the west can use, and it's also why we are seeing the BBC set up radio relays, the BBC will be available on am radio in Russia. The biggest threat we face is Russia losing, because of western intelligence, planning, and weapons transfers. If Putin thinks he is losing, and it's going to cost him politically and be an embarrassing moment in his history, then the threat of nukes flying is very real. If Putin were to be assassinated, it would be more dangerous than the situation we are in now, becuase we know who we are dealing with. A coup would be extremely risky. The best and most logical thing to do now is to negotiate some kind of peace accord, but no one is doing that, and we have to asky why? Why? Because he is insane, and is giving up nothing. Fuck him, and fuck his nukes. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:03:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By caduckgunner: Every time I see this map I wonder why someone would want to nuke Laughlin, Nv. It's a fucking dumpster fire. At least Reno is a cowboy town. The only thing Laughlin has going for it is that at least it's not Bullhead City. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By caduckgunner: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:04:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:04:43 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darktides: Not sure if this was posted, this is a strange timeline
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:07:22 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Put yourself in that situation... You're looking at the missile track straight for your ass. People are telling you you've got maybe three minutes left to live. Do you cry, or do you blot out the bastard that doomed you? That old fuck is meaner than you think he is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By CS223: That brain dead stupid fuck wouldn't launch a counter attack if Russian nukes were on the way. Putin knows that. Put yourself in that situation... You're looking at the missile track straight for your ass. People are telling you you've got maybe three minutes left to live. Do you cry, or do you blot out the bastard that doomed you? That old fuck is meaner than you think he is. Maybe, but he's also not lucid very frequently. 
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:08:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 01ZULU]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Rob Lee is posting all sorts of troops and equipment moving through Russia, he posted a huge train convoy of tanks that he said was being transferred to Ukraine. I have no idea if it's true or not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By 01ZULU: From the comments The same Tyumen that is in Siberia? Almost 3,000kms from Kyiv? Rob Lee is posting all sorts of troops and equipment moving through Russia, he posted a huge train convoy of tanks that he said was being transferred to Ukraine. I have no idea if it's true or not. Quite possible that it true But there’s a catch to that If pooty is just now getting shit coming via railcar then they are getting desperate And started this whole clusterfuck very very unprepared Who the fuck invades anywhere without having enough support prepositioned to ensure victory without having to wait for days for more equip to arrive (ETA unless pooty and his boys are actually fukin ignorant enough to think sending kids in with shit soviet era equipment would be enough to do the job.) |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:10:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: EasTexan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3n1gm4: Why would anyone target the bistone area of Tx... there is like A walmart... 1 between the two counties Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3n1gm4: Originally Posted By caduckgunner: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG That map appears to show secondary targets over dams and reservoirs among other infrastructure. The black dot over East Texas by Lufkin is the Sam Rayburn reservoir and Dam. Edit: looks like bistone is on lake Mexia. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:10:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darktides: Not sure if this was posted, this is a strange timeline
Honestly, this is one of the craziest things ever. How close are we to a literal global condemnation of this shit? |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:11:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunslinger808]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3n1gm4: Why would anyone target the bistone area of Tx... there is like A walmart... 1 between the two counties First strike aimed at decapitation only and you’ll survive. If it’s an all out attack, you’re screwed. Anything worth keeping will be targeted, from National Guard bases, major road intersections, food processing, industry like car assembly plants, rail road junctions, distribution centers, nuke plants, hydroelectric, refineries, ports, county seats, and so on. Heck, Minot from old nuke maps I’ve seen gets 30 to 50 nukes just for the grins. |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:11:30 AM EDT
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Why didn't the Russians follow the American Playbook for Invading a Country:
Step 1 - Bomb the shit out of their airbases and communications centers. Gain total air superiority and disrupt the enemy's ability to coordinate. Step 2 - Conquer your way to the capital. Take cities along the way, fight the enemy there until he is destroyed, move on, keep bombing. Step 3 - If you meet stiff resistance, fall back a little bit and bomb the shit out of those fuckers. After they've been softened up, move in again and mop up. Step 4 - Invade the capital and declare victory I mean, that's pretty much how we do it, right? But they tried this Everywhere, All the Time approach and fell on their ass. Our way seems to work pretty good, no? |
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:12:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/3/2022 1:13:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoSharpshooter: Since there's so many of these maps, I assume it's all speculation. Here's another https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/90884/9964A2BE-C25F-4F01-99E7-20439AD2520E_jpe-2299512.JPG SWEET! I am well out of anything's blah radius. |
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