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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:10:20 PM EDT
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Ok, Ill put my offensive onslaught as my birthday July 24th, because reasons. Remember the old warning" Beware the guns of August".
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:10:26 PM EDT
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 Argh, missed the top o’ the page! |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Wasn't the Xiden State Dept. heavily agitating against Bolsonaro the former POTUS and "Trump of Brazil"...? They assume all fellow travelers will politely work towards global communism with them and not against them. commies love commies. . . . no surprises there |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: I think one of the most effective options for causing mass defections would be having the option of surrendering RU forces interred in luxurious 3rd party countries. "Surrender and ride out the rest of the war in sunny Cyprus!" postcards dropped on the trenches would be a hell of a morale killer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By p3590: Exchanging prisoners during an active war used to be pretty common. We did it, until the whole "anyone black counts as an escaped slave" issue came up during our civil war . Theoretically, it should be a zero sum game humanitarian thing. The Ukrainians get back an equal number of able bodied people as the Russians. The optics are good for Russia to do exchanges, if you look at RT "news", they run stories all the time about, essentially, what inhumane dickheads we are for Guantanamo Bay and keeping people indefinitely. Practically speaking, I doubt either side had planned on having a bunch of POWs, and it makes logistics easier. I was surprised to read they give Russian POWs the option to ride out the war. That’s expensive, wonder how many take them up on it. I think one of the most effective options for causing mass defections would be having the option of surrendering RU forces interred in luxurious 3rd party countries. "Surrender and ride out the rest of the war in sunny Cyprus!" postcards dropped on the trenches would be a hell of a morale killer. Among a lot of other problems with this idea, it'd probably be tough to convince Cyprus or whoever to host a bunch of violent Wagner ex-cons (murderers, rapists, etc). |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:13:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: We did exchanges with the Germans during WW2. Not of non-disabled combatants. Mostly of civilians with a smattering of diplomatic personnel and permanently disabled soldiers. |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:13:27 PM EDT
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@Capta, That is freaking amazing, Great Job Brother. Those will serve well. Very well done Sir!
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Just a rant on the general state of AR15.com Every thread outside this one has genuine Ukraine hate. Example: Soar 160 bird hit by Ukrainian diverted manpad. Literally takes seconds and many appear to be Russian trolls but just as many legitimate tards. Isolationists, etc etc. can’t brownells at least police the genuine agiprops? They’re good for traffic I guess? I almost feel like I’m catching aids by talking to these dudes or visiting the general population. Are gun owners really thus stupid? I’d love to see a breakdown on who what where on here. I ghosted ar15.com going back to 2006 or earlier. It’s really turned into an American hate fest of jacked up conspiracy theories and retardation. If this represents the firearms community at large, we’re toast. Back to Ukraine, offensive has started you just can’t see it yet. It’s not 1940. Honest assessment…you might be wound a little tight on this one. |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:17:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It's disturbing and depressing to see how many people, including in GD, are totally okay with the "might makes right" order. That's the underlying question of the conflict: is there any other justice in the world beyond the strong dictating to everyone else? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
It's disturbing and depressing to see how many people, including in GD, are totally okay with the "might makes right" order. That's the underlying question of the conflict: is there any other justice in the world beyond the strong dictating to everyone else? Thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of years of history prove that "might makes right." It's been the way of the world since the beginning of time. Only in the last few hundred years has another paradigm taken shape. "Fuck you, what you're doing is wrong, and we're going to make sure our allies/neighbors/friends have all the help they require to push your shit in and send you squealing back to mama. Borders mean something." Treaties, alliances, and cooperation that's actually meaningful. The war in Ukraine is the latest iteration of that. Now, if only we'd actually give them WHAT THEY FUCKING NEED to give Russia a curb job, take the moral high ground and stop fucking around, the "might makes right" countries just might start to get the message. Slava Ukraini. Heroyam Slava. |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:24:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Lula is one of the biggest "self-owns" in the Western Hemisphere committed by the State Department since at least Noriega, if not Fidel Castro. The "borgie Bolsheviks" and Socialist-curios types are always advocating for people who despise American liberals, yet these same Liberals always act stunned when their third-world pet-du-hour ends up tearing up the furniture and crapping on the carpet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By lorazepam:
Lula is one of the biggest "self-owns" in the Western Hemisphere committed by the State Department since at least Noriega, if not Fidel Castro. The "borgie Bolsheviks" and Socialist-curios types are always advocating for people who despise American liberals, yet these same Liberals always act stunned when their third-world pet-du-hour ends up tearing up the furniture and crapping on the carpet. LOL! I think the WaPo had an article that basically said that, but with more words, fluff, and Serious Concern. And this post boils the entire article down to the most succinct nutshell. State is shocked, shocked that Lula turned hard against the US, LOL. They didn't know he was a hard-core anti-US commie POS? Really? I knew that. So am I smarter than most of the State Dept? LOL again! |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:26:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Right now its best to ignore those post. Its not good to turn many threads into shitfest every time someone says something stupid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Just a rant on the general state of AR15.com Every thread outside this one has genuine Ukraine hate. Example: Soar 160 bird hit by Ukrainian diverted manpad. Literally takes seconds and many appear to be Russian trolls but just as many legitimate tards. Isolationists, etc etc. can't brownells at least police the genuine agiprops? They're good for traffic I guess? I almost feel like I'm catching aids by talking to these dudes or visiting the general population. Are gun owners really thus stupid? I'd love to see a breakdown on who what where on here. I ghosted ar15.com going back to 2006 or earlier. It's really turned into an American hate fest of jacked up conspiracy theories and retardation. If this represents the firearms community at large, we're toast. Back to Ukraine, offensive has started you just can't see it yet. It's not 1940. I think this is why 87% of DKProf's posts consist of nothing more than "LOL."  I see DKProf post that, and in my mind I read "LOL, that guy's a flaming idiot."
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Wasn't the Xiden State Dept. heavily agitating against Bolsonaro the former POTUS and "Trump of Brazil"...? They assume all fellow travelers will politely work towards global communism with them and not against them. Yep. pretty much. |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 11:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Just a rant on the general state of AR15.com Every thread outside this one has genuine Ukraine hate. Example: Soar 160 bird hit by Ukrainian diverted manpad. Literally takes seconds and many appear to be Russian trolls but just as many legitimate tards. Isolationists, etc etc. can’t brownells at least police the genuine agiprops? They’re good for traffic I guess? I almost feel like I’m catching aids by talking to these dudes or visiting the general population. Are gun owners really thus stupid? I’d love to see a breakdown on who what where on here. I ghosted ar15.com going back to 2006 or earlier. It’s really turned into an American hate fest of jacked up conspiracy theories and retardation. If this represents the firearms community at large, we’re toast. Back to Ukraine, offensive has started you just can’t see it yet. It’s not 1940. I don’t stray out of this thread, the place has changed and many of the anti UA are old members. I’ve lost a lot of respect for many here. I hung my UA flag in my classroom with prayers for the people. Also, gives me a chance when the kids ask which country it is and I can explain the evil of Russia |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:02:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Measured to see if a coupled 40-rounder would fit, but nope. https://i.imgur.com/VLSr0P9.jpg As a bit of an aside, while 40rd mags are usually too long to go monopod with normally, they work great for it if you're wearing plates. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:08:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Communism is the ideal theory used to fool the people into giving up their rights. When people realize what communism really is, they want to go back and must be kept in check via authoritarianism then totalitarianism. Then to keep from going totally bankrupt (after looting all the money from that "haves") they allow some crony owned businesses that are tightly controlled (fascism) and since the folks rising to the top are the worst criminals who live to steal, you get the kleptocracy...Russia in 2023... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Words mean things. Fascism, Communism, Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism, Kleptocracy. These are all distinct terms / realities with specific components. While there is lots of day to day reality overlap between them, they are all different systems. It's counterproductive to try and label them all together if you want to combat them. Sunni and Shiites are both unfriendly sand people, but theres very distinct approaches they make to conflict and terrorism that pose wildly different threats to the west, as an example of why specification is important. Communism is the ideal theory used to fool the people into giving up their rights. When people realize what communism really is, they want to go back and must be kept in check via authoritarianism then totalitarianism. Then to keep from going totally bankrupt (after looting all the money from that "haves") they allow some crony owned businesses that are tightly controlled (fascism) and since the folks rising to the top are the worst criminals who live to steal, you get the kleptocracy...Russia in 2023... Communism starts as a Totalitarian state. Thats what Lenin and then Stalin and then Mao implemented. You can't launch communism / planned economy without it total control over all aspects of society down to the granular level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism Those countries mellowed into an authoritarian system in the 70's-80's as there was no need to maintain total control as the economic system had been forged and could run with less crushing oppression. .... Fascism, in both Italy then Germany, jumped directly from capitalist democracyish into an authoritarian and totalitarian state. It's not some 'evolution of communism' in these cases. It is a distinct, 3rd way economic system striving to achieve a goldilocks zone between Communism and Capitalism, employed by a totalitarian state seeking to make the nation great again. Core economic design of fascism is capitalism for regular business (bakers, candlestick makers, inventors, clothing, etc consumer goods) while certain "strategic industries" (military, scientific, aerospace) are directed to pursue goals outlined by the state as part of a 'grand plan,' but are allowed to profit privately. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:10:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Been busy this weekend. Installed front sight posts today and organized the accessory packs: https://i.imgur.com/jhfrLrd.jpg Looks awesome, great work man. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:14:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CleverNickname: Among a lot of other problems with this idea, it'd probably be tough to convince Cyprus or whoever to host a bunch of violent Wagner ex-cons (murderers, rapists, etc). Have you been to Cyprus or Turkey. Their banks and resorts are filled with FSB and Wagnerites. Some Turkish and Egyptian hotels limit Russians to 12 families or less so that they don’t turn into drunk belligerent FMW fests. But you can buy anything in Russia, including soldiers. It’s just getting the message out |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:17:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Just a rant on the general state of AR15.com Every thread outside this one has genuine Ukraine hate. Example: Soar 160 bird hit by Ukrainian diverted manpad. Literally takes seconds and many appear to be Russian trolls but just as many legitimate tards. Isolationists, etc etc. can’t brownells at least police the genuine agiprops? They’re good for traffic I guess? I almost feel like I’m catching aids by talking to these dudes or visiting the general population. Are gun owners really thus stupid? I’d love to see a breakdown on who what where on here. I ghosted ar15.com going back to 2006 or earlier. It’s really turned into an American hate fest of jacked up conspiracy theories and retardation. If this represents the firearms community at large, we’re toast. Back to Ukraine, offensive has started you just can’t see it yet. It’s not 1940. Idk what's really happening. Covid fucked alot people up.. it's sad seeing some long timers like myself fall for such BS.. they used to be die hard conservatives with true patriotism and love for freedom no matter who its for. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:25:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Honest assessment…you might be wound a little tight on this one. Have you visited the Bhakmut has fallen thread? I don’t remember seeing your name in this one so my apologies if you’re just dropping in, welcome, but I’m not off the wall on this. The 2A ALT right whatever is a major target of Russian propaganda and I’ve known that for 10 years. They were prepping the battle space and it worked. Any thread in general arfcom will have f Ukraine and 3-4 supporters. In fact the guys who start many of the threads are either agiprops or openly aligning themselves with a country that casually discusses nuking us like it’s just another day of beach weather. You’re far more likely to run into a uniformed person parroting Russian propaganda here than anywhere else I go/visit. When I get into arguments with anti-gunners they inevitably go to the all the gun owners are wacko conspiracy nut jobbers and shouldn’t have guns….. I look back on my vehement defense with a little bit of self criticism. Doesn’t matter guns for all but still we’ve got a problem. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:33:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: I don’t stray out of this thread, the place has changed and many of the anti UA are old members. I’ve lost a lot of respect for many here. I hung my UA flag in my classroom with prayers for the people. Also, gives me a chance when the kids ask which country it is and I can explain the evil of Russia Thanks, I guess my main takeaway is that freedom of speech is just that a pillar of our country but the founders hoped Americans would be “enlightened” ie they’d be literate and well rounded in mind and soul. We’ve got a big problem when 1/4 of your peer group openly side with your nations enemy. Anyway. It just seems crazy to me. Supposedly red blooded Americans seeing the world through Russia psyops. I know it’s not reflective of America, but it is of my peer group, cohort whatever. The waters are muddied for sure. Appreciate the flag, Quick story when SSO officer stayed here last month, he made me pull off to a farm down the road because it had an Ukraine flag up. We pulled up to the old antabellum mansion and rang the door. A single 70-80 year old widowed veteran came out and friend just said I want to shake your hand for supporting my country. The old vet saluted him with tears and said “I don’t know much about your country really, all I know is your small and the damn commies tried to kill you and you fought like a cornered coons, fought for your families, I respect that and I hope you kill every last one of those bastards” some chit chat but that was your average American farmer around here. I also know said farmer owned guns so we’re not all lost but damn the conspiracy stuff. In a world with 1000 possibilities of how a SOF helo might go down in Syria, the answer: Ukraine did it or sold the missile. All speculation, I can think of 100 ways a U.S. sof bird might go down in an isis raid and manpad from Ukraine is probably #30 on the list of possibles, Russia or Khadyrovites/Wagners being culprit 4 or 5. It’s just weird. Confirmation Bias and all that. Got to sleep to work. Thanks guys. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:36:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Have you visited the Bhakmut has fallen thread? I don’t remember seeing your name in this one so my apologies if you’re just dropping in, welcome, but I’m not off the wall on this. The 2A ALT right whatever is a major target of Russian propaganda and I’ve known that for 10 years. They were prepping the battle space and it worked. Any thread in general arfcom will have f Ukraine and 3-4 supporters. In fact the guys who start many of the threads are either agiprops or openly aligning themselves with a country that casually discusses nuking us like it’s just another day of beach weather. You’re far more likely to run into a uniformed person parroting Russian propaganda here than anywhere else I go/visit. When I get into arguments with anti-gunners they inevitably go to the all the gun owners are wacko conspiracy nut jobbers and shouldn’t have guns….. I look back on my vehement defense with a little bit of self criticism. Doesn’t matter guns for all but still we’ve got a problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By fike: Honest assessment…you might be wound a little tight on this one. Have you visited the Bhakmut has fallen thread? I don’t remember seeing your name in this one so my apologies if you’re just dropping in, welcome, but I’m not off the wall on this. The 2A ALT right whatever is a major target of Russian propaganda and I’ve known that for 10 years. They were prepping the battle space and it worked. Any thread in general arfcom will have f Ukraine and 3-4 supporters. In fact the guys who start many of the threads are either agiprops or openly aligning themselves with a country that casually discusses nuking us like it’s just another day of beach weather. You’re far more likely to run into a uniformed person parroting Russian propaganda here than anywhere else I go/visit. When I get into arguments with anti-gunners they inevitably go to the all the gun owners are wacko conspiracy nut jobbers and shouldn’t have guns….. I look back on my vehement defense with a little bit of self criticism. Doesn’t matter guns for all but still we’ve got a problem. “This one” equals the 160th thread, specifically. It was one poster mentioning a possible UKR connection when you posted your response. All in all, pretty tame and not a great example of the larger issue on this site. I have been active in this thread from day one. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:48:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Capta: Been busy this weekend. Installed front sight posts today and organized the accessory packs: https://i.imgur.com/jhfrLrd.jpg Originally Posted By Capta: Each rifle gets: 10) magazines - 6 OK Surefeed, 2 PSA, and 2 30-round Magpul G2 with coupler. 4) NOS (Eagle?) khaki double mag pouches + 1)AK Alice pouch 1) Damage Industries small parts pack 1) Otis cleaning/maintenance kit 1) spare LPK with KE-Arms specific parts 1) Aimsurplus spare bolt 1) Damage Industries bolt rebuild kit 2) ranger bands Each rifle has an A2 buttplate and all the spares will go in the trap, so will be on the rifle. There’s at least one of everything on the rifle and more than one of some things. I figure they can use the extra parts to keep other rifles going. I ordered front sight tools but they suck and don’t fit. I figure they can make due with a bullet tip. https://i.imgur.com/ZSPi1sK.jpg Originally Posted By Capta: I included the PSAs and the Magpuls to try to leave myself some OK Surefeeds. Bought the PSAs a long time ago, bought the G2s when I owned a Beretta ARX. Then I looked around to see what else I could do with them and found a few Maglinks I got a while back on clearance, and thought, why not? Maybe it’ll be useful to have 60 rounds on the gun. Then I had to figure out how to carry them, and remembered I had four Alice AK triple-mag pouches hanging around. Fits pretty well, little loose. Malice clips on the back and done. https://i.imgur.com/nNaS2LK.jpg Originally Posted By Capta: Measured to see if a coupled 40-rounder would fit, but nope. https://i.imgur.com/VLSr0P9.jpg Somebody has to start the slow clap...  
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:49:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: I don’t stray out of this thread, the place has changed and many of the anti UA are old members. I’ve lost a lot of respect for many here. I hung my UA flag in my classroom with prayers for the people. Also, gives me a chance when the kids ask which country it is and I can explain the evil of Russia Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Just a rant on the general state of AR15.com Every thread outside this one has genuine Ukraine hate. Example: Soar 160 bird hit by Ukrainian diverted manpad. Literally takes seconds and many appear to be Russian trolls but just as many legitimate tards. Isolationists, etc etc. can’t brownells at least police the genuine agiprops? They’re good for traffic I guess? I almost feel like I’m catching aids by talking to these dudes or visiting the general population. Are gun owners really thus stupid? I’d love to see a breakdown on who what where on here. I ghosted ar15.com going back to 2006 or earlier. It’s really turned into an American hate fest of jacked up conspiracy theories and retardation. If this represents the firearms community at large, we’re toast. Back to Ukraine, offensive has started you just can’t see it yet. It’s not 1940. I don’t stray out of this thread, the place has changed and many of the anti UA are old members. I’ve lost a lot of respect for many here. I hung my UA flag in my classroom with prayers for the people. Also, gives me a chance when the kids ask which country it is and I can explain the evil of Russia Thanks for being a good teacher. Wish there were more like you. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:56:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: “This one” equals the 160th thread, specifically. It was one poster mentioning a possible UKR connection when you posted your response. All in all, pretty tame and not a great example of the larger issue on this site. I have been active in this thread from day one. I just picked one example of thousands man. Sorry it’s just my opinion but I think it’s pretty solid if you look into other threads. The term UkiBros, search it. Search that and see how many hits or Zelensky 10%. It’s a symptom of a bigger problem in our community in my opinion. So is it a problem on this site or not, that’s the? My example was literally just the first thread I opened other than this one. It’s everywhere. Start a Ukraines kicking ass thread or Ukraines lost thread and watch the flys swarm in to either destroy or amplify it. We are ground zero for the less kinetic side of multi domain warfare. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:08:46 AM EDT
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I just read the 160th thread. Several people complaining that we are going after ISIS.
 This place is becoming pants on head retarded. At this rate we'll be seeing "RIP UBL" in siglines soon. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:09:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Thanks, I guess my main takeaway is that freedom of speech is just that a pillar of our country but the founders hoped Americans would be “enlightened” ie they’d be literate and well rounded in mind and soul. We’ve got a big problem when 1/4 of your peer group openly side with your nations enemy. Anyway. It just seems crazy to me. Supposedly red blooded Americans seeing the world through Russia psyops. I know it’s not reflective of America, but it is of my peer group, cohort whatever. The waters are muddied for sure. Appreciate the flag, Quick story when SSO officer stayed here last month, he made me pull off to a farm down the road because it had an Ukraine flag up. We pulled up to the old antabellum mansion and rang the door. A single 70-80 year old widowed veteran came out and friend just said I want to shake your hand for supporting my country. The old vet saluted him with tears and said “I don’t know much about your country really, all I know is your small and the damn commies tried to kill you and you fought like a cornered coons, fought for your families, I respect that and I hope you kill every last one of those bastards” some chit chat but that was your average American farmer around here. I also know said farmer owned guns so we’re not all lost but damn the conspiracy stuff. In a world with 1000 possibilities of how a SOF helo might go down in Syria, the answer: Ukraine did it or sold the missile. All speculation, I can think of 100 ways a U.S. sof bird might go down in an isis raid and manpad from Ukraine is probably #30 on the list of possibles, Russia or Khadyrovites/Wagners being culprit 4 or 5. It’s just weird. Confirmation Bias and all that. Got to sleep to work. Thanks guys. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By j_hooker: I don’t stray out of this thread, the place has changed and many of the anti UA are old members. I’ve lost a lot of respect for many here. I hung my UA flag in my classroom with prayers for the people. Also, gives me a chance when the kids ask which country it is and I can explain the evil of Russia Thanks, I guess my main takeaway is that freedom of speech is just that a pillar of our country but the founders hoped Americans would be “enlightened” ie they’d be literate and well rounded in mind and soul. We’ve got a big problem when 1/4 of your peer group openly side with your nations enemy. Anyway. It just seems crazy to me. Supposedly red blooded Americans seeing the world through Russia psyops. I know it’s not reflective of America, but it is of my peer group, cohort whatever. The waters are muddied for sure. Appreciate the flag, Quick story when SSO officer stayed here last month, he made me pull off to a farm down the road because it had an Ukraine flag up. We pulled up to the old antabellum mansion and rang the door. A single 70-80 year old widowed veteran came out and friend just said I want to shake your hand for supporting my country. The old vet saluted him with tears and said “I don’t know much about your country really, all I know is your small and the damn commies tried to kill you and you fought like a cornered coons, fought for your families, I respect that and I hope you kill every last one of those bastards” some chit chat but that was your average American farmer around here. I also know said farmer owned guns so we’re not all lost but damn the conspiracy stuff. In a world with 1000 possibilities of how a SOF helo might go down in Syria, the answer: Ukraine did it or sold the missile. All speculation, I can think of 100 ways a U.S. sof bird might go down in an isis raid and manpad from Ukraine is probably #30 on the list of possibles, Russia or Khadyrovites/Wagners being culprit 4 or 5. It’s just weird. Confirmation Bias and all that. Got to sleep to work. Thanks guys. That’s a fantastic anecdote. Man, we need could really use some of those these days. Some founding father type said our system of government functions on the assumption of a moral and decent society. I wish I could remember who said that, but it’s quite true. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:35:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Not actually accurate, but amusing. https://i.redd.it/ba1sy4k8ocua1.jpg Hungary: dinna see nuffin France: let me know when they get to the Rhine. Germany: We might have some tanks in the basement but first let me check with my attorney, banker, the Club, and my masseuse. US: whatever is laying around in the kids room you can have at a killer price. Finland: Here’s everything I can give you, call me when you want St Petersburg to disappear. Poland: Irene! Irene! Fucking Irene! The neighbors called and we gonna barbecue and get some Pacific beachfront property Ma. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:38:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: I just read the 160th thread. Several people complaining that we are going after ISIS. This place is becoming pants on head retarded. At this rate we'll be seeing "RIP UBL" in siglines soon. Sadly, this. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:41:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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We should do a celebratory zoom drink when Ukraine reaches the coast, Kerch bridge is down, and Crimea is under fire control. (Ben, sorry but you must attend from your BTR)
Of course Crimea is the location of the NAFO beach party, and we fully expect the venue to be available 
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
So now we know just what to think about Lula (as if we needed further evidence). "Let's all work for peace!" is easy to say when a country has invaded ~30% of your territory. It's like trying to say "let's uphold and protect the value of chastity!" when somebody has raped your daughter. Be reasonable? Advocate for peace? GO FYCK YOURSELF! 
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:08:01 AM EDT
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 For anti Christians they sure to seem happy about the resurrection 
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:14:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:26:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GySgt_D: Sadly, this. I haven’t posted much in this thread, but I keep up and read it everyday. This site has become more and more difficult for me to come to, between liberal infiltration to the first post in every thread being “another billion to Ukraine though amirite”. Seeing the Ukrainians stand up and fight against overwhelming odds is something that amazes me everyday. I always wonder how we would do as a country in the same places as the Ukes. Honestly, I think probably not as well but maybe I’m wrong. I watched some of my best friends die fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan for a populace that mostly didn’t give 2 shits about American values and freedom. Iraq in particular, where our official reasons for going in were fucking dubious at best, yet we still fought. Strip all the politics away, and we still had people approach us and thank us for freeing them from Saddam or beating the shit out of a militia or whatever. That made it worth it to us. (At least to me and the people I knew of course) To see the Ukes sometimes fight to the last man in a trench, or shout Slava Ukraine before being executed, makes me wish my war could have been to help a people so fucking fiercely loyal to their people and land, but such is life. I could give 2 fucks if we give another 100 billion to Ukraine, of all the bullshit countries and causes this retarded administration gives money to, this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. This place can be extremely frustrating, but every single time I get fed up I have an interaction here with some random member makes me stay. There are some truly generous, good people here, they just aren’t as loud and obnoxious as about the same 100 people who have to be obnoxious fucks for attention. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Not actually accurate, but amusing. https://i.redd.it/ba1sy4k8ocua1.jpg Maybe more like this?  Costco visit scene Idiocracy Although obviously the John Wick armorer guy is way cooler. 
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:39:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: I haven’t posted much in this thread, but I keep up and read it everyday. This site has become more and more difficult for me to come to, between liberal infiltration to the first post in every thread being “another billion to Ukraine though amirite”. Seeing the Ukrainians stand up and fight against overwhelming odds is something that amazes me everyday. I always wonder how we would do as a country in the same places as the Ukes. Honestly, I think probably not as well but maybe I’m wrong. I watched some of my best friends die fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan for a populace that mostly didn’t give 2 shits about American values and freedom. Iraq in particular, where our official reasons for going in were fucking dubious at best, yet we still fought. Strip all the politics away, and we still had people approach us and thank us for freeing them from Saddam or beating the shit out of a militia or whatever. That made it worth it to us. (At least to me and the people I knew of course) To see the Ukes sometimes fight to the last man in a trench, or shout Slava Ukraine before being executed, makes me wish my war could have been to help a people so fucking fiercely loyal to their people and land, but such is life. I could give 2 fucks if we give another 100 billion to Ukraine, of all the bullshit countries and causes this retarded administration gives money to, this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. This place can be extremely frustrating, but every single time I get fed up I have an interaction here with some random member makes me stay. There are some truly generous, good people here, they just aren’t as loud and obnoxious as about the same 100 people who have to be obnoxious fucks for attention. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: Originally Posted By GySgt_D: Sadly, this. I haven’t posted much in this thread, but I keep up and read it everyday. This site has become more and more difficult for me to come to, between liberal infiltration to the first post in every thread being “another billion to Ukraine though amirite”. Seeing the Ukrainians stand up and fight against overwhelming odds is something that amazes me everyday. I always wonder how we would do as a country in the same places as the Ukes. Honestly, I think probably not as well but maybe I’m wrong. I watched some of my best friends die fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan for a populace that mostly didn’t give 2 shits about American values and freedom. Iraq in particular, where our official reasons for going in were fucking dubious at best, yet we still fought. Strip all the politics away, and we still had people approach us and thank us for freeing them from Saddam or beating the shit out of a militia or whatever. That made it worth it to us. (At least to me and the people I knew of course) To see the Ukes sometimes fight to the last man in a trench, or shout Slava Ukraine before being executed, makes me wish my war could have been to help a people so fucking fiercely loyal to their people and land, but such is life. I could give 2 fucks if we give another 100 billion to Ukraine, of all the bullshit countries and causes this retarded administration gives money to, this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. This place can be extremely frustrating, but every single time I get fed up I have an interaction here with some random member makes me stay. There are some truly generous, good people here, they just aren’t as loud and obnoxious as about the same 100 people who have to be obnoxious fucks for attention. Great post. I’m just a 21er and it’s good to hear old hands say everything you said. And it makes sense the better quality people are not as vocal, on many levels. We just want to be left alone, after all. Fadedsun does great work fighting the good fight outside the boat. Someone has to… might as well be a marine!. The fantastic people I’ve met here have made membership worth every Penny and then some. Wish we could have Jack67 back… |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:42:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:17:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:24:36 AM EDT
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What leaked docs show about U.S.-Russia fight for Middle East
U.S. partners Egypt and the UAE are cozying up to Moscow, documents allege, as they question America’s commitment. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/14/leaked-docs-u-s-russia-middle-east-00092182 Egypt considered sending tens of thousands of rockets to Russia. Kremlin spies claim the Emiratis are their new best friends. And Israel simply isn’t willing to give serious help to Ukraine as it battles a Russian invasion. Such assertions, contained in a series of leaked U.S. documents that have rattled Washington, underscore the challenge the United States faces in convincing Middle Eastern countries to fully back Ukraine against Russia. That’s especially true as the region’s leaders express increasing concern that the U.S. isn’t committed to them. U.S. officials deny that they are abandoning the Middle East, pointing to America’s large military presence and strong security ties there. But the documents suggest multiple countries in the region are embracing Russia amid worries of an emerging, U.S.-shaped vacuum. “All the countries in the Middle East now are wondering what it means to be aligned with the United States, what it costs to be aligned with the United States, and whether there are ways to supplement the relationship with the United States,” “You have an electoral cycle of two years, and the electoral cycle of the principalities and the kingdoms in the Gulf is basically a lifetime,” the diplomat pointed out. The leaked documents indicate that even Middle Eastern countries that get billions of dollars in U.S. security aid aren’t willing to unflinchingly follow America’s lead. One document reported by the Washington Post says Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi ordered subordinates to covertly produce as many as 40,000 rockets as well as other weapons for shipment to Russia. Another document described Russian intelligence officers bragging that they had convinced the United Arab Emirates “to work together against U.S. and UK intelligence agencies,” according to an AP report. In a statement to the AP, the UAE called the claims involving Russian operatives “categorically false.” Another document mentioning the UAE, viewed by POLITICO, describes how the tiny but wealthy country has been negotiating with a Russian firm to build a regional maintenance center for UAE weapons systems. The UAE ambassador in Washington did not respond to a request for comment. The Biden administration recently called out the UAE as a hot spot for Russian sanctions evasion. One document lays out ways Israel could be convinced to provide weapons to Ukraine. One scenario argued Israel could be swayed to do more for Ukraine if Russia were to send certain key weapons systems to Iran, whose Islamist regime Israel considers a mortal threat. But it also notes that Israel is trying to balance its ties between the U.S. and Russia because it needs Russia to look away when Israel bombs Syrian sites linked to Iran. While many Middle Eastern countries have voted for United Nations resolutions condemning Russia’s invasion, they have for the most part avoided imposing sanctions on the Kremlin or seriously curtailing relations with Moscow. If staying in power requires finding more friends in Beijing and Moscow, then Middle Eastern leaders are likely to do just that. “Many of these leaders do share some ideological affinities with Russia and China — they probably see the world more like those rulers do than how any U.S. leader does,” said Amy Hawthorne, an analyst with the Project on Middle East Democracy. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:25:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Not of non-disabled combatants. Mostly of civilians with a smattering of diplomatic personnel and permanently disabled soldiers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Originally Posted By Abakan: We did exchanges with the Germans during WW2. Not of non-disabled combatants. Mostly of civilians with a smattering of diplomatic personnel and permanently disabled soldiers. Quite a few of them actually returned to duty. Not all were disabled. Some were just sick from what I did read (malaria) |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:21:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: I haven't posted much in this thread, but I keep up and read it everyday. This site has become more and more difficult for me to come to, between liberal infiltration to the first post in every thread being "another billion to Ukraine though amirite". Seeing the Ukrainians stand up and fight against overwhelming odds is something that amazes me everyday. I always wonder how we would do as a country in the same places as the Ukes. Honestly, I think probably not as well but maybe I'm wrong. I watched some of my best friends die fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan for a populace that mostly didn't give 2 shits about American values and freedom. Iraq in particular, where our official reasons for going in were fucking dubious at best, yet we still fought. Strip all the politics away, and we still had people approach us and thank us for freeing them from Saddam or beating the shit out of a militia or whatever. That made it worth it to us. (At least to me and the people I knew of course) To see the Ukes sometimes fight to the last man in a trench, or shout Slava Ukraine before being executed, makes me wish my war could have been to help a people so fucking fiercely loyal to their people and land, but such is life. I could give 2 fucks if we give another 100 billion to Ukraine, of all the bullshit countries and causes this retarded administration gives money to, this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. This place can be extremely frustrating, but every single time I get fed up I have an interaction here with some random member makes me stay. There are some truly generous, good people here, they just aren't as loud and obnoxious as about the same 100 people who have to be obnoxious fucks for attention. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: Originally Posted By GySgt_D: Sadly, this. I haven't posted much in this thread, but I keep up and read it everyday. This site has become more and more difficult for me to come to, between liberal infiltration to the first post in every thread being "another billion to Ukraine though amirite". Seeing the Ukrainians stand up and fight against overwhelming odds is something that amazes me everyday. I always wonder how we would do as a country in the same places as the Ukes. Honestly, I think probably not as well but maybe I'm wrong. I watched some of my best friends die fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan for a populace that mostly didn't give 2 shits about American values and freedom. Iraq in particular, where our official reasons for going in were fucking dubious at best, yet we still fought. Strip all the politics away, and we still had people approach us and thank us for freeing them from Saddam or beating the shit out of a militia or whatever. That made it worth it to us. (At least to me and the people I knew of course) To see the Ukes sometimes fight to the last man in a trench, or shout Slava Ukraine before being executed, makes me wish my war could have been to help a people so fucking fiercely loyal to their people and land, but such is life. I could give 2 fucks if we give another 100 billion to Ukraine, of all the bullshit countries and causes this retarded administration gives money to, this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. This place can be extremely frustrating, but every single time I get fed up I have an interaction here with some random member makes me stay. There are some truly generous, good people here, they just aren't as loud and obnoxious as about the same 100 people who have to be obnoxious fucks for attention. Good post. Just want to reiterate, there are still a lot of good people here and probably a ton out there that rarely post. I appreciate you all. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:24:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:45:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: I haven’t posted much in this thread, but I keep up and read it everyday. This site has become more and more difficult for me to come to, between liberal infiltration to the first post in every thread being “another billion to Ukraine though amirite”. Seeing the Ukrainians stand up and fight against overwhelming odds is something that amazes me everyday. I always wonder how we would do as a country in the same places as the Ukes. Honestly, I think probably not as well but maybe I’m wrong. I watched some of my best friends die fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan for a populace that mostly didn’t give 2 shits about American values and freedom. Iraq in particular, where our official reasons for going in were fucking dubious at best, yet we still fought. Strip all the politics away, and we still had people approach us and thank us for freeing them from Saddam or beating the shit out of a militia or whatever. That made it worth it to us. (At least to me and the people I knew of course) To see the Ukes sometimes fight to the last man in a trench, or shout Slava Ukraine before being executed, makes me wish my war could have been to help a people so fucking fiercely loyal to their people and land, but such is life. I could give 2 fucks if we give another 100 billion to Ukraine, of all the bullshit countries and causes this retarded administration gives money to, this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. This place can be extremely frustrating, but every single time I get fed up I have an interaction here with some random member makes me stay. There are some truly generous, good people here, they just aren’t as loud and obnoxious as about the same 100 people who have to be obnoxious fucks for attention. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: Originally Posted By GySgt_D: Sadly, this. I haven’t posted much in this thread, but I keep up and read it everyday. This site has become more and more difficult for me to come to, between liberal infiltration to the first post in every thread being “another billion to Ukraine though amirite”. Seeing the Ukrainians stand up and fight against overwhelming odds is something that amazes me everyday. I always wonder how we would do as a country in the same places as the Ukes. Honestly, I think probably not as well but maybe I’m wrong. I watched some of my best friends die fight and die in Iraq and Afghanistan for a populace that mostly didn’t give 2 shits about American values and freedom. Iraq in particular, where our official reasons for going in were fucking dubious at best, yet we still fought. Strip all the politics away, and we still had people approach us and thank us for freeing them from Saddam or beating the shit out of a militia or whatever. That made it worth it to us. (At least to me and the people I knew of course) To see the Ukes sometimes fight to the last man in a trench, or shout Slava Ukraine before being executed, makes me wish my war could have been to help a people so fucking fiercely loyal to their people and land, but such is life. I could give 2 fucks if we give another 100 billion to Ukraine, of all the bullshit countries and causes this retarded administration gives money to, this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. This place can be extremely frustrating, but every single time I get fed up I have an interaction here with some random member makes me stay. There are some truly generous, good people here, they just aren’t as loud and obnoxious as about the same 100 people who have to be obnoxious fucks for attention. Golden post. Quite fucking true. Every. Word. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 5:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: What leaked docs show about U.S.-Russia fight for Middle East U.S. partners Egypt and the UAE are cozying up to Moscow, documents allege, as they question America’s commitment. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/14/leaked-docs-u-s-russia-middle-east-00092182 Egypt considered sending tens of thousands of rockets to Russia. Kremlin spies claim the Emiratis are their new best friends. And Israel simply isn’t willing to give serious help to Ukraine as it battles a Russian invasion. Such assertions, contained in a series of leaked U.S. documents that have rattled Washington, underscore the challenge the United States faces in convincing Middle Eastern countries to fully back Ukraine against Russia. That’s especially true as the region’s leaders express increasing concern that the U.S. isn’t committed to them. U.S. officials deny that they are abandoning the Middle East, pointing to America’s large military presence and strong security ties there. But the documents suggest multiple countries in the region are embracing Russia amid worries of an emerging, U.S.-shaped vacuum. “All the countries in the Middle East now are wondering what it means to be aligned with the United States, what it costs to be aligned with the United States, and whether there are ways to supplement the relationship with the United States,” “You have an electoral cycle of two years, and the electoral cycle of the principalities and the kingdoms in the Gulf is basically a lifetime,” the diplomat pointed out. The leaked documents indicate that even Middle Eastern countries that get billions of dollars in U.S. security aid aren’t willing to unflinchingly follow America’s lead. One document reported by the Washington Post says Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi ordered subordinates to covertly produce as many as 40,000 rockets as well as other weapons for shipment to Russia. Another document described Russian intelligence officers bragging that they had convinced the United Arab Emirates “to work together against U.S. and UK intelligence agencies,” according to an AP report. In a statement to the AP, the UAE called the claims involving Russian operatives “categorically false.” Another document mentioning the UAE, viewed by POLITICO, describes how the tiny but wealthy country has been negotiating with a Russian firm to build a regional maintenance center for UAE weapons systems. The UAE ambassador in Washington did not respond to a request for comment. The Biden administration recently called out the UAE as a hot spot for Russian sanctions evasion. One document lays out ways Israel could be convinced to provide weapons to Ukraine. One scenario argued Israel could be swayed to do more for Ukraine if Russia were to send certain key weapons systems to Iran, whose Islamist regime Israel considers a mortal threat. But it also notes that Israel is trying to balance its ties between the U.S. and Russia because it needs Russia to look away when Israel bombs Syrian sites linked to Iran. While many Middle Eastern countries have voted for United Nations resolutions condemning Russia’s invasion, they have for the most part avoided imposing sanctions on the Kremlin or seriously curtailing relations with Moscow. If staying in power requires finding more friends in Beijing and Moscow, then Middle Eastern leaders are likely to do just that. “Many of these leaders do share some ideological affinities with Russia and China — they probably see the world more like those rulers do than how any U.S. leader does,” said Amy Hawthorne, an analyst with the Project on Middle East Democracy. Egypt should learn the old admonition, "You don't bite the hand that feeds you". Without the massive US aid and military assistance, their country might collapse. I would rather send 100% of what we give them to Ukraine instead, especially if we catch them sending weapons to Russia. America's democracy does produce instability with our allies. Very few politicians of either party are what I would call well read or historically interested. Many run for office for self-aggrandizement more than altruistic motives or to steer the ship of state. Virtually everyone in the USA gets a free public education from K-12, apparently its only worth what they paid for it. The best teacher I ever had taught history. Every class was like a play. He got into character and assumed the rolls of various leaders in historical conflicts. He inspired me to learn more on the subject, to try to put myself in their shoes, to understand political forces that try to shape a better world, or tear it asunder. We might want to consider Amending the Constitution to include longer terms for House members. Four or five years seems reasonable, eight years for the Senate. Everyone interested in running should have to pass an American history test focusing on the Founding, the men who wrote the documents and the reasons they did so. Another problem is outside money entering local races. IMO no person or organization should be allowed to give money to any candidate that they can't personally vote for. That means we should be limited to contributing to our local representative in the House, our state's Senator and the Presidential race. Political adds should be confined to no more than six months prior to the election date. Our nation's political stability and our assurances to our allies could use a shoring up. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 5:53:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Lula said, two can't fight if one chooses not to. Does Lula value peace and lives so greatly that he would be okay with, let's say, somebody else taking over Brazil? If the US actually acted the way Russia does, Cuba would already be a US State. Lula apparently would think that's fine? Or is he just a toady for any side that opposes the US? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By lorazepam:
Lula said, two can't fight if one chooses not to. Does Lula value peace and lives so greatly that he would be okay with, let's say, somebody else taking over Brazil? If the US actually acted the way Russia does, Cuba would already be a US State. Lula apparently would think that's fine? Or is he just a toady for any side that opposes the US? Lula always has been a POS. Our MSM love him tho as he is a commie POS. Fhim, FVP and FBHO/FJB |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:03:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: LOL! I think the WaPo had an article that basically said that, but with more words, fluff, and Serious Concern. And this post boils the entire article down to the most succinct nutshell. State is shocked, shocked that Lula turned hard against the US, LOL. They didn't know he was a hard-core anti-US commie POS? Really? I knew that. So am I smarter than most of the State Dept? LOL again! In all fairness, the State Department is hard core anti-USA commie. They probably just assumed Lula would commie in the same way I guess. Like some dumb chick marrying a dirtbag "knowing" they could change him... |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:31:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Just a rant on the general state of AR15.com Every thread outside this one has genuine Ukraine hate. Example: Soar 160 bird hit by Ukrainian diverted manpad. Literally takes seconds and many appear to be Russian trolls but just as many legitimate tards. Isolationists, etc etc. can’t brownells at least police the genuine agiprops? They’re good for traffic I guess? I almost feel like I’m catching aids by talking to these dudes or visiting the general population. Are gun owners really thus stupid? I’d love to see a breakdown on who what where on here. I ghosted ar15.com going back to 2006 or earlier. It’s really turned into an American hate fest of jacked up conspiracy theories and retardation. If this represents the firearms community at large, we’re toast. Back to Ukraine, offensive has started you just can’t see it yet. It’s not 1940. This is intentional and have seen it on other forums. Take over as many threads and discussions as possible with BS narratives and left/anti-Ukraine and/or pro-Russian BS. If an outsider came to this forum it would be unlikely they would find this particular thread--so their general impression would be Russia good/Ukraine bad. There is a concerted effort to bait and/or red-flag pro-Ukrainian posters to try to get them kicked off the discussion board and/or simply frustrate the conversation with so much off-topic BS so that meaningful discussion is difficult. (I've seen this many times even in this thread.) "Don't get out of the boat" approach restricts most valid discourse to this one thread--one of hundreds on this site. Pay attention to posts, and certain posters, that show up around 7:30-10:00 pm that post Russia strong/NATO week/Ukraine is hopeless comments oftentimes accompanied by another poster claiming "truth" or "this is correct" comments. (They work in pairs and/or it's the same troll with multiple accounts.) These are typically not countered until the next morning so that they are left to linger and promote whatever BS they claim for anyone just scrolling though. Again, this is intentional and systematic work by groups/organizations and even nation-states with agendas. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:36:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Communism starts as a Totalitarian state. Thats what Lenin and then Stalin and then Mao implemented. You can't launch communism / planned economy without it total control over all aspects of society down to the granular level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism Those countries mellowed into an authoritarian system in the 70's-80's as there was no need to maintain total control as the economic system had been forged and could run with less crushing oppression. .... Fascism, in both Italy then Germany, jumped directly from capitalist democracyish into an authoritarian and totalitarian state. It's not some 'evolution of communism' in these cases. It is a distinct, 3rd way economic system striving to achieve a goldilocks zone between Communism and Capitalism, employed by a totalitarian state seeking to make the nation great again. Core economic design of fascism is capitalism for regular business (bakers, candlestick makers, inventors, clothing, etc consumer goods) while certain "strategic industries" (military, scientific, aerospace) are directed to pursue goals outlined by the state as part of a 'grand plan,' but are allowed to profit privately. I think we agree. I certainly agree with your post in general. I just used totalitarianism and authoritarianism synonymously due to ignorance. In my personal and family experience (Hungary and Romania) communism was "slid in" after WWII with the typical false promises and with the help of fraudulent elections. My grandparents, being simple working people, were on board in the beginning. "So we will now own the factory? Great" Most people assumed the "new" assholes were the same as the "old" assholes. Then came totalitarianism/authoritarianism when the factory workers tried to take shoes home thinking "we own the factory dont we...". Authoritarianism is essential when people "pretend to work since we get paid the same anyway" and the food starts to run out and people try to leave. The people that always end up in power are those brutal enough to dominate others, cheat, and steal....kleptocracy... I know in many other places, communism was shoved in hard (Russia, China, S. Vietnam...). So there can be a hard or soft transition. I think in the USA it has been soft but once people wake up and try to resist "they" will make that hard move. We probably agree that there is no real communism, with the exception of a large family or maybe a Kibbutz (as long as they can get outside support) since it goes against human nature. Meanwhile authoritarianism/totalitarianism is TOTALLY within human nature. Fascism/socialism "may" work among certain societies that have a strong homogeneous culture of working together (Japan? Sweden?). It can be a "goldilocks" medium for them but it takes really special people to make it work long term. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:39:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Idk what's really happening. Covid fucked alot people up.. it's sad seeing some long timers like myself fall for such BS.. they used to be die hard conservatives with true patriotism and love for freedom no matter who its for. Probably the real "long covid" is the paranoia and sinicism brought on by the authoritarianism... |
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