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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Drone video.
View Quote Fucking BLAMMO. Big and accurate, I wonder what those were. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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I'm behind - is it news that Ukraine has hit a third airbase in Russia?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-warns-emergency-blackouts-after-more-missile-hits-2022-12-05/ Ukraine appears to expose Russian air defence gaps with long-range strikes Three killed at Russian base just hours from Moscow One of bases hit was home to Russian bomber fleet Ukraine minister jokes that careless Russian smokers to blame KYIV/NOVOSOFIIVKA, Ukraine, Dec 6 (Reuters) - A third Russian airfield was ablaze on Tuesday from a drone strike, a day after Ukraine demonstrated an apparent new ability to penetrate hundreds of kilometers deep into Russian air space with attacks on two Russian air bases. Officials in the Russian city of Kursk, located close to Ukraine, released pictures of black smoke above an airfield in the early morning hours of Tuesday after the latest strike. The governor said an oil storage tank there had been set ablaze but there were no casualties. It came a day after Russia confirmed it had been hit hundreds of kilometers from Ukraine by what it said were Soviet-era drones - at Engels air base, home to Russia's strategic bomber fleet, and in Ryazan, a few hours' drive from Moscow. Kyiv did not directly claim responsibility for the strikes but celebrated them. "If Russia assesses the incidents were deliberate attacks, it will probably consider them as some of the most strategically significant failures of force protection since its invasion of Ukraine," Britain's ministry of defence said on Tuesday. "The Russian chain of command will probably seek to identify and impose severe sanctions on Russian officers deemed responsible for allowing the incident." Russia's defence ministry said three service members were killed in the attack at Ryazan. Although the attacks struck military targets it characterised them as terrorism and said the aim was to disable its long-range aircraft. The New York Times, citing a senior Ukrainian official, said the drones involved in Monday's attacks were launched from Ukrainian territory, and at least one of the strikes was made with the help of special forces close to the base. Ukraine never acknowledges responsibility for attacks inside Russia. Asked about the strikes, Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleskiy Reznikov repeated a longstanding joke blaming carelessness with cigarettes. "Very often Russians smoke in places where it's forbidden to smoke," he said. Ukrainian presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych went further, noting that Engels is Russia's only base fully equipped for the fleet of huge bombers Moscow has used to attack Ukraine. "They will try to disperse (strategic aircraft) to airfields, but all this complicates the operation against Ukraine. Yesterday, thanks to their 'unsuccessful smoking', we achieved a very big result," he said. Russian commentators on social media said that if Ukraine could strike that far inside Russia, it might also be able to hit Moscow. NEW BARRAGE The huge Tupolev long-range bombers that Russia stations at Engels are a major part of its strategic nuclear arsenal, similar to the B-52s deployed by the United States during the Cold War. Russia has used them in its campaign since October to destroy Ukraine's energy grid with near weekly waves of missile strikes. The Engels base, near the city of Saratov, is at least 600 km (372 miles) from the nearest Ukrainian territory. Russia responded to Monday's attacks with what it called a "massive strike on Ukraine's military control system", though it did not identify any specific military targets for what Ukraine called Moscow's latest strikes on civilian infrastructure. Missiles across Ukraine destroyed homes and knocked out power, but the impact seemed to be less severe than barrages last month that plunged millions of Ukrainians into darkness and cold. Ukraine's air force said it had shot down more than 60 of around 70 missiles. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said at least four people were killed. A missile tore a huge crater out of the earth in the village of Novosofiivka, about 25 km (16 miles) east of Zaporizhzhia city in southern Ukraine, and completely shredded a nearby house. Ambulance workers collected two bodies lying by a destroyed car. Olha Troshyna, 62, said the dead were her neighbours who were standing by the car seeing off their son and daughter-in-law when the missile struck. With houses now destroyed and winter setting in, she had no idea where she would go. "We have no place to go back to," she said. "It would be fine if it were spring or summer. We could have done something if it were a warm season. But what am I going to do now?” On Tuesday, Zelenskiy visited troops in the Donbas region in the east of the country that has seen the war's heaviest fighting. He praised soldiers in a selfie video filmed in front of a sign on the road outside Sloviansk, near the city of Bakhmut that Russian forces have been trying to encircle for weeks in one of the war's bloodiest campaigns. In other videos, he presented medals and shook hands with troops in a hangar. Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine's Defence Intelligence agency, said Moscow had enough missiles left for just a few more giant barrages before they were depleted. RESISTANCE Russia claims a military justification for attacks on Ukraine's civil infrastructure. Kyiv says the strikes are intended to hurt civilians, a war crime. "They do not understand one thing - such missile strikes only increase our resistance," Ukraine's defence minister Reznikov said. No political talks are underway to end the war. Moscow insists it will not negotiate unless Kyiv and the West accept its sovereignty over Ukrainian lands it claims, while Kyiv says Russia must quit all its territory. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Tuesday talks would only be possible when Russia achieves the goals of its "special military operation", which he did not define. "Russia must and will achieve the goals it has set," he said "As for the prospects for some kind of negotiations, we don't see them at the moment, we have repeatedly said so." However, the sides have discussed issues such as prisoner swaps. A Russian-installed official said the latest such exchange would see each side free 60 prisoners later on Tuesday. |
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This falls in line with Capta's thinking on the drone attacks.
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This falls in line with Capta's thinking on the drone attacks.
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"the science" /duh si-ens/ noun: progressive postmodern religious dogma not based in tested hypothesis or facts used to advance an authoritative political ideology
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I read somewhere the UA had deeply inserted SOF to guide the drones in. Skeptical of that if they are GPS guided it doesn't seem needed, but what would SOF do to "guide" them in outside out laser designating them? View Quote I think the drone was GPS guided. |
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“Clearly Iran is just helping Russia fight the globohomo and uphold Christian values.” - Ryan_ruck
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I am just blown away by the 86% success rate of shooting down the cruise missiles. 61 of 70 shot down is amazing.
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"THAT'S ALL FOLKS! Ukrainians CROSS DNIPRO River. Russians RISK BEING STRANDED in the South" View Quote THAT'S ALL FOLKS! Ukrainians CROSS DNIPRO River. Russians RISK BEING SURROUNDED in the South |
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"I'd rather wear heavy equipment than wear the light ring of a slave around my neck."
quote: Cossack soldier of the Ukrainian Armed Forces - 2022 "Energy and persistence conquer all things." quote: Benjamin Franklin |
Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKKuQf9TqkU ETA: I had it backwards! Sorry I thought those were Ukrainians talking about Russians in the welded tank my bad everyone. They also plan on drafting women now apparently View Quote Reversed, RU is making up stupid shit |
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"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
"Mitch the democrat bitch" "democrat voter fraud works and it makes Republicans look stupid" |
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Originally Posted By 7empest: That POS needs a personalized HIMARS. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: More info on Igor girken..sounds like he went to Ukraine on his own amd was not actually called up like he said, and when upper command found out about it they brought him back to russia..lol From telegram. https://t.me/bazabazon/14823 "An attempt to take part in hostilities against the armed forces of respected Kyiv partners did not end in success." Igor Strelkov's personal special operation failed completely. He returned to Russia from the NVO zone - and blamed the command for this. According to the former security official, back in October, he "by agreement" arrived in the DPR and was enlisted as a private in the motorized rifle brigade of the People's Militia with the position of a grenade launcher. The "higher command" allegedly did not like this, but they promised to resolve the issue. Soon, Strelkov headed for Svatovo, and then went to the training ground to prepare the battalion for "the upcoming combat use." At the end of November, the military found out that he was officially enlisted in the regiment for only one day, and then expelled from it without issuing orders. According to Strelkov, the command knew about this, but received "solid help" thanks to him and did not say anything. And he, thus, illegally owned weapons and ammunition. As a result, on the evening of December 5, Strelkov, according to his own story, returned to Moscow. What the military will do next is unclear, but it is now dangerous for him to leave Russia - a couple of weeks ago, the Hague court sentenced him to life in prison in the case of the MH17 flight crash and the murder of 298 people. That POS needs a personalized HIMARS. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: With B21 set to begin flying next year, it's an interesting question of whether our buildup is deterring China, or creating a sort of "it's now or never" panic for them to accelerate their timeline to go before we're fully tooled up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: In terms of whether Ukraine is impinging on the US Ability to fuck the Chicoms over Taiwan, the answer appears to be the opposite - its leading to an across the board increase in munitions purchases. US now looking to purchase over 1,100 JASSM/LRASM air launched stealth cruise missiles per year:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjM0Jh-UoAEg4Ea?format=jpg&name=large Likely other long range precision fires weapons will be bumped up as well:
I posted same in my arty thread. Short term yes, it’s having an effect but looks like 2024 or 2025 production for most stuff is back in business. Taiwanese orders are still delayed for 2022. While Taiwan invasion in 2023 is theoretically possible per PACOM it’s not highly likely. China still has the finish its 4th carrier, make more amphib, etc. but Xi appears to be putting out feelers to countries about how they’d respond to US sanctions. Russia new pipeline to China isn’t set to complete until 2025. Congress continues CRs into FY 24 will probably create probs but that’s not a Ukraine issue. Duration of the war and timing could be issue or not, time will tell I guess. With B21 set to begin flying next year, it's an interesting question of whether our buildup is deterring China, or creating a sort of "it's now or never" panic for them to accelerate their timeline to go before we're fully tooled up. Sort of like how the combination of the 1940 "Two Ocean Navy Act" and economic sanctions led the Japanese Government to approve the Pearl Harbor attack? Interesting... |
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: World Arms Dealer != World Police Try to keep up. Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. The thread moves fast. Go read some to catch up. Unfortunately Ukraine is the best real life advertisement there is at the moment. One example: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/poland-is-negotiating-the-purchase-of-200-himars/ "Poland is negotiating the purchase of 200 HIMARS" https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/us-weapons-sales-in-europe-are-booming-as-russias-war-in-ukraine-continues-to-rage-215801466.html "Since late February, when Russian forces invaded Ukraine, countries in the European Union have pledged to beef up their arsenals by some $230 billion, with Germany alone planning to modernize its military to the tune of $100 billion this year. And the United States arms industry, which produces and exports more weapons than any other country — selling over 39% of the estimated $210 billion annual global arms sales from 2017 to 2021 — has been the biggest beneficiary." ETA: https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/12/05/estonia-buys-himars-as-eastern-allies-boost-artillery-arsenals/ "Estonia has signed a contract with the United States to purchase six M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS launchers, joining a rapidly expanding group of Eastern European allies who eye the weapons in the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine." Think of Geissele giving triggers away over the 10+ years of Cola Warrior. Sure many of us got a free trigger, but we also bought much more than the value of that initial gift. Real world experiences with products drives sales. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: With B21 set to begin flying next year, it's an interesting question of whether our buildup is deterring China, or creating a sort of "it's now or never" panic for them to accelerate their timeline to go before we're fully tooled up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: In terms of whether Ukraine is impinging on the US Ability to fuck the Chicoms over Taiwan, the answer appears to be the opposite - its leading to an across the board increase in munitions purchases. US now looking to purchase over 1,100 JASSM/LRASM air launched stealth cruise missiles per year:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjM0Jh-UoAEg4Ea?format=jpg&name=large Likely other long range precision fires weapons will be bumped up as well:
I posted same in my arty thread. Short term yes, it's having an effect but looks like 2024 or 2025 production for most stuff is back in business. Taiwanese orders are still delayed for 2022. While Taiwan invasion in 2023 is theoretically possible per PACOM it's not highly likely. China still has the finish its 4th carrier, make more amphib, etc. but Xi appears to be putting out feelers to countries about how they'd respond to US sanctions. Russia new pipeline to China isn't set to complete until 2025. Congress continues CRs into FY 24 will probably create probs but that's not a Ukraine issue. Duration of the war and timing could be issue or not, time will tell I guess. With B21 set to begin flying next year, it's an interesting question of whether our buildup is deterring China, or creating a sort of "it's now or never" panic for them to accelerate their timeline to go before we're fully tooled up. |
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: Fuck yes. Ukranians have more balls than you do. What do you know about the Maidan square protests? Do you know what happened there, and shortly after? At least bring something if you are going to shit in this thread. They deserve our help, we fucked them over talking them into getting rid of the means to defend themselves, and jugears pretty much gave russia permission to invade the first time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By cash50: So let's play World Police again? Fuck yes. Ukranians have more balls than you do. What do you know about the Maidan square protests? Do you know what happened there, and shortly after? At least bring something if you are going to shit in this thread. They deserve our help, we fucked them over talking them into getting rid of the means to defend themselves, and jugears pretty much gave russia permission to invade the first time. Actually, I think we encouraged Ukraine to give up their nukes just to have one less thing to worry about. Not knowing the future, we erred on the side of caution, but erred we did. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Drone video.
View Quote Wooooowzzaaa |
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: World Arms Dealer != World Police Try to keep up. Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. Worth giving them away to demonstrate real world battlefield effectiveness to potential buyers. To say nothing of the lessons being gained for our own use. |
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Originally Posted By Easterner: Haha thanks. Despite thinking we are counting the days, life goes by fast. I guess when your life is on hold to some extents, time isn't waiting for you. Enjoy it while you can! I decided to get out the cold on my day of walking the streets. Time for a Cappuccino and Chocolate Macaroon in a new cafe that opened... Little Mariupol. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20221206_143854_jpg-2625644.JPG View Quote I’ve never wanted to visit a foreign country in my life as much as I’d like to see a post victory Ukraine. |
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I've been battling some internal demons this week, so far I'm 0 for 6.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Drone video.
View Quote OOF. The wage of sin paid. Those PGM hits make me wonder if Bayraktar is working the area. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: A'ight. Your freakin buddy was able to build them in his garage, noted. Perhaps your buddy is a rocket scientist, perhaps not. Ridiculously loud. Again, noted. Cheap, easy, and loud as fuck. What would it sound like with them buzzing moscow? Is that something the wealthy of moscow would find frightening? Maybe half a dozen of them crashing in public places with NO EXPLOSIVES would send a message? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By planemaker: Pulse jets are notorious for both noise and poor fuel economy. Buddy of mine designed and built a bunch of valve-less pulsejets (V1 had flapper valves). Neat but ridiculously loud. A'ight. Your freakin buddy was able to build them in his garage, noted. Perhaps your buddy is a rocket scientist, perhaps not. Ridiculously loud. Again, noted. Cheap, easy, and loud as fuck. What would it sound like with them buzzing moscow? Is that something the wealthy of moscow would find frightening? Maybe half a dozen of them crashing in public places with NO EXPLOSIVES would send a message? My buddy is a University Professor that had 30 years of industry experience. One of the smartest guys I know. There is something to be said for the value of psyops with a very low-cost vehicle that *everybody* knows is there but nobody can do anything about. |
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Remorse is for the dead
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World ain't what it seems, is it Gunny?
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Originally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Drone video.
Wooooowzzaaa Dying tired. AMF! |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Poland is not messing around on ramping up their armed forces. South Korea is looking pretty effective at supplying products fast too. The US manufacturers better lift their game or Korea is gonna eat their lunch. View Quote Korea agreed to send some units intended for their own armed forces, and delay their own domestic acquisitions to meet Poland's timeline and secure the sale. According to Perun, the deal also involves tech transfer to have Poland build more K2-PL domestically, and service and maintain their fleets themselves. |
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Slava Ukraini! "The only real difference between the men and the boys, is the number and size, and cost of their toys."
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjSmVR-WYAA3Xq2?format=png&name=small View Quote Fucked around, finding out |
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Originally Posted By Easterner: That building looks new and unoccupied. There isn't a single piece of clothing hanging outside. Windows are empty. Yes it's winter, but i can assure you that i can look outside and see a neighborhood full of clothes hanging on clothes lines right now. Many projects stall out as well and sit unfinished. Maybe "new" but never completed. It looks like there aren't any windows in the bigger openings (probably stair well/elevator area). View Quote Agree, also note the lack of furnishings in the collapsed area. |
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SYSTEM: Let's not rehash a locked&nuked thread
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World ain't what it seems, is it Gunny?
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"the science" /duh si-ens/ noun: progressive postmodern religious dogma not based in tested hypothesis or facts used to advance an authoritative political ideology
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I read somewhere the UA had deeply inserted SOF to guide the drones in. Skeptical of that if they are GPS guided it doesn't seem needed, but what would SOF do to "guide" them in outside out laser designating them? View Quote Drone flies hundreds of km on GPS, and within radio range of the target, a ground receiver re-establishes a direct control link, allowing it to be manually piloted the rest of the way in to its target. |
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Slava Ukraini! "The only real difference between the men and the boys, is the number and size, and cost of their toys."
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What are the chances that these attacks on the airfields are the results of the new Kamikaze drones, as opposed to something else? I'm almost certain that it has to be something domestically produced, as FJB et al are very hesitant to deliver anything that can hit targets within Russia. Whatever they're using, I hope they have the capability to produce more of them.
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Originally Posted By Circuits: Korea agreed to send some units intended for their own armed forces, and delay their own domestic acquisitions to meet Poland's timeline and secure the sale. According to Perun, the deal also involves tech transfer to have Poland build more K2-PL domestically, and service and maintain their fleets themselves. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Poland is not messing around on ramping up their armed forces. South Korea is looking pretty effective at supplying products fast too. The US manufacturers better lift their game or Korea is gonna eat their lunch. Korea agreed to send some units intended for their own armed forces, and delay their own domestic acquisitions to meet Poland's timeline and secure the sale. According to Perun, the deal also involves tech transfer to have Poland build more K2-PL domestically, and service and maintain their fleets themselves. How did the us lose our on supplying Abraham's to Poland? I know the krab is a.joint venture between sk and Poland but do they have any more sharing? Wonder if they will send them to Ukraine. |
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Originally Posted By stgdz: How did the us lose our on supplying Abraham's to Poland? I know the krab is a.joint venture between sk and Poland but do they have any more sharing? Wonder if they will send them to Ukraine. View Quote The US is *also* supplying Abrams to Poland. Poland's not playing around. ETA: The Abrams deal doesn't include tech transfer, just selling them A2 SEP.V3 in considerable numbers and updating their existing hulls. |
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Slava Ukraini! "The only real difference between the men and the boys, is the number and size, and cost of their toys."
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Germany, ooff Germany backtracks on defense spending promises made after Ukraine invasion Days after Russia invaded Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz pledged to meet long ignored military spending targets of 2 percent of GDP. https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-backtracks-on-defense-spending-promise-warns-about-delays-ukraine-war/ BERLIN — Germany on Monday walked back its promise to swiftly raise defense spending to at least 2 percent of its economic output — breaching the key commitment made days after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to become a more serious military force. Berlin also sought to play down internal warnings about delays to a flagship procurement of new fighter jets. During a government press conference, Chief Spokesperson Steffen Hebestreit scaled down expectations for Germany’s defense spending, telling journalists that the 2 percent target would be missed not only this year, but also likely next year: “It’s still open whether that [goal] will be achieved” in 2023, Hebestreit said, adding that his “cautious expectation” was that Germany would still meet the target within this legislative period, which ends in 2025. Last month, it had already emerged that Germany will likely miss its 2 percent target in 2023 as the regular defense budget of about €50 billion will slightly shrink by about €300 million. Only a comparably small first tranche of a massive €100 billion special military upgrading fund is expected to be paid out. View Quote With the possibility of plant closures to save on energy, the entire budget will be screwed. |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Poland is not messing around on ramping up their armed forces. South Korea is looking pretty effective at supplying products fast too. The US manufacturers better lift their game or Korea is gonna eat their lunch. View Quote So did the Poles change to the Korean tank and decide not to get any M1 Abrams? |
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Originally Posted By 2A373: Rapid Dragon is the system for launching JASSM/JASSM-ERs from C-130s and C-17s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Pj-0xYFzg The C-17 can also launch ICBMs.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdOVZpTmeOA View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 2A373: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Circuits: *sigh* You don't have to fire them from within the confines of the airframe. Fly towards target, release box of rockets with aero features to keep it pointed forward, give it the REMOTE command to fire once it's a few hundred or thousand feet away and below. Virgin Galactic and Northrop Grumman can both manage this commercially, so it's not black magic. Yeah. A few hundred pages ago someone posted and interesting link to a video of the US testing cruise missiles by pushing them out the back of a C17. It was a pack of missiles pulled out by a drough parachute then launched. Seems to be a well tested, developed concept. Rapid Dragon is the system for launching JASSM/JASSM-ERs from C-130s and C-17s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Pj-0xYFzg The C-17 can also launch ICBMs.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdOVZpTmeOA They need to come up with their own aircraft or helo platform to extend their GLMRS missiles from 50 miles to 150 miles |
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Originally Posted By JQ66: So did the Poles change to the Korean tank and decide not to get any M1 Abrams? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JQ66: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Poland is not messing around on ramping up their armed forces. South Korea is looking pretty effective at supplying products fast too. The US manufacturers better lift their game or Korea is gonna eat their lunch. So did the Poles change to the Korean tank and decide not to get any M1 Abrams? They decided to get both actually. |
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Originally Posted By Circuits: The US is *also* supplying Abrams to Poland. Poland's not playing around. ETA: The Abrams deal doesn't include tech transfer, just selling them A2 SEP.V3 in considerable numbers and updating their existing hulls. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By stgdz: How did the us lose our on supplying Abraham's to Poland? I know the krab is a.joint venture between sk and Poland but do they have any more sharing? Wonder if they will send them to Ukraine. The US is *also* supplying Abrams to Poland. Poland's not playing around. ETA: The Abrams deal doesn't include tech transfer, just selling them A2 SEP.V3 in considerable numbers and updating their existing hulls. |
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Originally Posted By JQ66: So did the Poles change to the Korean tank and decide not to get any M1 Abrams? View Quote They are buying the K2 and the Abrams. I think they are planning to purchase something on the order of 250 M1A2 SepV3 and 800-1000 K2's. I was reading something a while back that leads me to believe Poland is planning to use the K2 in the areas of the country best suited to its design, such as swampy or coastal areas, and alongside its amphibious IFV (Borsuk). The Abrams will likely be used alongside a heavier IFV (possibly based on the AS-21 Redback) in areas where there is a greater likelihood of direct armor slugfests on the open plains. So essentially, Poland appears to be gearing up to have lots of heavy divisions, along with a really heavy division. All of their T-72/PT-91s will probably end up being donated to Ukraine. And I suspect their Leopards will eventually be sold off to another eastern European NATO nation such as Romania. |
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I stand with Ukraine. Fuck Putin! And fuck Russia!
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This fire looks bigger than the Russians claimed.
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: The Poles want a lot of tanks RFN and the ability to build modern tanks of their own ASAP. The tech transfer thing has some interesting long term benefits for Korea, in addition to Polish money and good press the Koreans get a toe in the door of the European arms market, which was pretty closed off to outsiders except the US. If Korea still has difficulty selling directly to Europe they can at least license designs to the Poles who can build tanks for export alongside tanks for themselves, in brand new high tech factories with low labor costs. I have to assume that the harm Germany keeps doing to their reputation will injure their arms sales, and all the Soviet shit is getting flushed out now, so it seems like the market has lots of room for them. And of course increasing production volume will reduce unit cost enormously. Tons of potential here for South Korea. View Quote Apparently the Poles want ALL of the tanks. And ALL of the war helicopters. ALL of the long range artillery. ALL of the....well, like everything, pretty much. |
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Originally Posted By Fltot: This Russian missile landed near Odesa today - can it’s engine be reused? I’m sure there are a bunch of other missiles that were recovered pretty much intact - is it possible to reuse them, instead of building them from scratch? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjPgORRXoAETnFd?format=jpg&name=medium View Quote They dissect them to learn how they work and see where the components are coming from. Doubt they have enough to justify repairing and reusing them. |
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They know western europe won't be coming to their rescue.
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If Ukraine hits what are technically strategic nuclear targets deep within Russia and Putin doesn't do anything about it except more cannon fodder infantry attacks and continuing previously planned conventional missile barrages against infrastructure that get 85% intercepted - no nukes - does Ukraine "prove" that they can use ATACMS etc on any military target without things going apocalyptic? Does that cause Biden to unclench and supply ATACMS? Were these strikes in part planned as a proof of concept for Ukrainian use of ATACMS and other NATO long range weapons?
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