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Link Posted: 6/5/2022 4:19:16 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/5/2022 4:29:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Another angle of the Russian aircraft shootdown.



I wonder if they caught it doing the “rocket toss” maneuver?
There was a video a couple of days ago purporting to show a helicopter shoot-down, where it appears the copter had just shot rockets and was heading back down to the deck.
The tactic is basically: Fly a profile at a certain altitude, pitch up to a specified angle and launch.  The launch point would be based on the launch angle and the distance to the likely target.  Knowing what the standard angle of release was, and what the target was (probably a city) you should be able to draw a circle on the map representing the pitch-up point.  Then figure out the Russian aircraft’s likely direction of approach, and bingo, you have a nice place to put a MANPAD ambush along a relatively limited arc of territory.
The fact we’re seeing two possible such shoot-downs in two or three days makes me wonder if the UA has made some countermoves.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 4:35:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Kadyrov claims to have destroyed M777s and presents as evidence an artillery strike filmed from a drone a mile away with mud on the lens.

https://vk.com/wall279938622_1378739

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Originally Posted By Prime:
Kadyrov claims to have destroyed M777s and presents as evidence an artillery strike filmed from a drone a mile away with mud on the lens.

https://vk.com/wall279938622_1378739


I already told you about the American M777 guns we destroyed in Lisichansk. Attached is video evidence. The Nazis naively believed that if the howitzers were driven away after the shelling into the storage facilities, then they could be avoided by our drones. Next time, Nazis, you don’t have to work in vain - their location is calculated by calculating the ballistic trajectory, which was done by the fighters of the Akhmat special forces unit together with the second army corps of the LPR People’s Militia. A few pinpoint strikes, and five 155mm howitzers, along with ammunition, are now a useless pile of metal. You can hand them over, Nazis, like scrap back to the Americans.


WE’LL.    SEND.     MORE.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 4:44:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
Russian Federation has a sure way to win and that is to  declare total mobilization and declare it a "war".

Right now RF is fighting with a limited force against a totally mobilized country.
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@capta has given a detailed answer about the political and logistical constraints of mobilization.

Let me add one more point wrt the original post - that Russia did not engage with "limited force."  They threw their very best units into it from day one, and they are gone - just destroyed.  "Zerg rush" is a fair analogy - at this point they mostly only have zerglings for ground forces and that's all they can generate for the future.  While Stalin's adage that "quantity has a quality of its own" is not pointless, it has its limits.

If you look at the Russian order of battle, it is NOT good.  A comparison from WWII would be this - it you were a US Armored division, would you rather take on the 3rd SS Panzer Division, or FIVE Volksgrenadier divisions?  You'd take the five - hands down.  And you'd win handily.  You would prevail against the SS, but it would be costly.  At this point, Russia is putting together zerg junk and it's all they can really put together going forward.  The elite units are gone and they aren't coming back in this fight.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 4:49:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Capta:


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RE: Kadyrov and 777s.

I think his subtext is that Kadyrov is almost undoubtedly lying.

This is the guy who posted a video of himself praying at a gas station in Ukraine - which turned out to be in Rostov Oblast 100 miles or so from the border.  Point being, he just makes stuff up and lives in cloud-cuckoo land.

Kadyrov fakes presence in Ukraine
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:08:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40:
Since the Russians control the Black Sea, I don't see Odessa as a viable port for Ukraine now.  If the fighting stopped today, Odessa doesn't do Ukraine any good. That may change over time, but for now, Ukraine is essentially landlocked. I see no need for the Russians to take Odessa as long as they can control the Black Sea.
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Odessa is a long-term goal for Putin, nearly a must-have. It's a historic Russian city (in Russian view); if there were any peace it would be a significant export facility for much of Ukraine's export trade; losing Odessa would diminish Ukraine significantly. A rump Ukraine would be easier to tolerate, easier to manipulate & control, less worth the attention of the rest of Europe. Odessa is still a strategic key.

Cutting off Ukraine's export capacity accomplishes several strategic goals. It destroys Ukraine's economy; taking Ukrainian grain exports off the global market creates pressure on the nations supporting Ukraine; it grants Russia significantly more resources in mineral wealth.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:10:27 PM EDT
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Russia doesn’t have it in them to seize Odessa.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:13:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

They want the grain route to Romania closed.
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Reflag the ships under Poland and provide armed escorts.

Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:18:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Odessa is a long-term goal for Putin, nearly a must-have. It's a historic Russian city (in Russian view); if there were any peace it would be a significant export facility for much of Ukraine's export trade; losing Odessa would diminish Ukraine significantly. A rump Ukraine would be easier to tolerate, easier to manipulate & control, less worth the attention of the rest of Europe. Odessa is still a strategic key.

Cutting off Ukraine's export capacity accomplishes several strategic goals. It destroys Ukraine's economy; taking Ukrainian grain exports off the global market creates pressure on the nations supporting Ukraine; it grants Russia significantly more resources in mineral wealth.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By Piratepast40:
Since the Russians control the Black Sea, I don't see Odessa as a viable port for Ukraine now.  If the fighting stopped today, Odessa doesn't do Ukraine any good. That may change over time, but for now, Ukraine is essentially landlocked. I see no need for the Russians to take Odessa as long as they can control the Black Sea.

Odessa is a long-term goal for Putin, nearly a must-have. It's a historic Russian city (in Russian view); if there were any peace it would be a significant export facility for much of Ukraine's export trade; losing Odessa would diminish Ukraine significantly. A rump Ukraine would be easier to tolerate, easier to manipulate & control, less worth the attention of the rest of Europe. Odessa is still a strategic key.

Cutting off Ukraine's export capacity accomplishes several strategic goals. It destroys Ukraine's economy; taking Ukrainian grain exports off the global market creates pressure on the nations supporting Ukraine; it grants Russia significantly more resources in mineral wealth.


I think for this to be a possibility you’re looking at a +year long engagement with hundreds of thousands of KIA, WIA, MIA etc on both sides. I don’t think Putins Russia has that in their economy and I’m not sure that Russia could rally the necessary troops and convince them to die for that goal all as international pariahs.

I’m not totally sure but I think the attempted Zerg rush the Russians tried is all but over. I’m just not sure how they can fund and assemble the elements necessary to achieve a major offensive in the near future.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:26:24 PM EDT
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Don’t need a rack to loot Abandoned homes

Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:26:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tiberius:


The M-14 is heavy AF, totally uncontrollable in full auto, and expensive and difficult to manufacture. Wonderful rifle if you don’t have to hump it and a load of ammo miles and miles though, quite accurate in semi. My Boat still had them in the late ‘80s, loved to shoot them in quals.

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Everyone here, including me, lust over a Russian Dragonov DM rifle. Yet the M14 is every bit as capable in the DM role as a Dragonov (M14 is probably a good bit more accurate with match ammo).

Ukraine is not buying or manufacturing the M14 and it would be stupid to do so. Also the M14 is not designed for door kickers but for owning the 300-600M space.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:28:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Odessa is a long-term goal for Putin, nearly a must-have. It's a historic Russian city (in Russian view); if there were any peace it would be a significant export facility for much of Ukraine's export trade; losing Odessa would diminish Ukraine significantly. A rump Ukraine would be easier to tolerate, easier to manipulate & control, less worth the attention of the rest of Europe. Odessa is still a strategic key.

Cutting off Ukraine's export capacity accomplishes several strategic goals. It destroys Ukraine's economy; taking Ukrainian grain exports off the global market creates pressure on the nations supporting Ukraine; it grants Russia significantly more resources in mineral wealth.
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If you think russia is going to take Odessa, I want what you are smoking. In 3 months, they have not advanced much beyond what they took in 2014, with catastrophic losses.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 5:56:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By YaNi05:
This is from mid April, but Russia had about 6000 tanks in storage and probably half or less could ever be operational again.

A significant percentage don't have turrets, for example. That's about as in depth as one can get via satellite imagery. But you can imagine some don't have powertrains, some don't have wiring harnesses, some don't have optics, etc. Then you have the issue of sitting outside in the sun, rain, snow for 30 years, and I can imagine that a huge percentage of them will never move again under their own power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHhgVrKJJoA
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Thanks, time well spent
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:02:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:06:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-1975:


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It's great seeing good ol' maneuver warfare again, instead of that "pinning jello to the wall" counter-insurgency shit we've been doing for the past 20 years.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:08:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:10:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By iggy1337:


Hopefully gobbeled up like a huge Pac-Man
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Originally Posted By M-1975:


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Hopefully gobbeled up like a huge Pac-Man


Yea, that's a surprising turn of events, good opportunity to crush them and break the Russian advance in the East.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:16:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jack67:


RE: Kadyrov and 777s.

I think his subtext is that Kadyrov is almost undoubtedly lying.

This is the guy who posted a video of himself praying at a gas station in Ukraine - which turned out to be in Rostov Oblast 100 miles or so from the border.  Point being, he just makes stuff up and lives in cloud-cuckoo land.

Kadyrov fakes presence in Ukraine
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Originally Posted By Capta:


WE’LL.    SEND.     MORE.


RE: Kadyrov and 777s.

I think his subtext is that Kadyrov is almost undoubtedly lying.

This is the guy who posted a video of himself praying at a gas station in Ukraine - which turned out to be in Rostov Oblast 100 miles or so from the border.  Point being, he just makes stuff up and lives in cloud-cuckoo land.

Kadyrov fakes presence in Ukraine

Sure, I don’t disagree that there is a very strong chance Kadyrov is just bullshitting.  But even if he isn’t - this is war and losses happen.  Those 777s and crews (if they were actually there) were doing their jobs and shit happens in war.  This was never going to be a flawless speedrun, and the people who “support” Ukraine but turn yellow every time Russia scores points need to harden up.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:19:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Another angle of the Russian aircraft shootdown.

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Please be an SU-57....
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:26:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Yea, that's a surprising turn of events, good opportunity to crush them and break the Russian advance in the East.
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And also a good opportunity to shut up the "Russia is winning!" trolls that have been all over YT, social media and even here in small numbers for the past week because of Severodonetsk.

Russia is currently stalled or being pushed back along the entire front, to include Severodonetsk. They aren't advancing ANYWHERE. Russia is most definitely not winning. They have now mostly even lost Severodonetsk, which they partially managed to occupy last week after weeks of fighting and a maximum effort, at frightful costs.

As more western weapons roll in and potentially hundreds of thousands of mobilized Ukrainian troops complete training and take to the field, Russia will be lucky if they can hold on to the land they occupied prior to February 24th.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 6:37:40 PM EDT
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Today's ISW report.  Ukrainian  advances everywhere.

June 6, 5:15 pm ET

Click here to see ISW's interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

Ukrainian forces continued to conduct limited and localized but successful counterattacks against Russian positions throughout Ukraine on June 5, including retaking large areas of Severodonetsk—the city in Luhansk Oblast the Kremlin has concentrated the majority of its forces on capturing. A Russian Telegram channel claimed that Ukrainian troops launched a counterattack north of Kharkiv City, indicating that Ukrainian forces continue to pressure Russian defensive lines near the Russian border.[1] Ukrainian forces are likely seeking to leverage the continued Russian focus on Severodonetsk to conduct counterattacks on other axes of advance. Even as Russian forces continue to pour equipment and troops into the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area, Ukrainian forces have conducted a successful counterattack in Severodonetsk in the last 48 hours and pushed Russian troops back to the eastern outskirts of the city and out of southern settlements.[2] Ukrainian counteroffensive pressure will likely continue to draw the attention of Russian forces to Luhansk Oblast and therefore leave vulnerabilities in Russian defensive efforts in Kharkiv Oblast and along the Southern Axis. The ability of Ukrainian forces to successfully counterattack in Severodonetsk, the Kremlin’s current priority area of operations, further indicates the declining combat power of Russian forces in Ukraine.

Ukrainian forces reportedly killed Russian Major General Roman Kutuzov on June 5. Russian Telegram channels reported that Kutuzov was killed near Mykolaivka, Luhansk Oblast (near Popasna) on June 5.[3] Kutuzov likely commanded the Donetsk People’s Republic’s 1st Army Corps at the time of his death, though ISW cannot confirm his exact position.[4] Some sources reported that Kutuzov commanded the 5th Combined Arms Army (CAA) at the time of his death, but we assess this is likely incorrect—Kutuzov served as acting commander of the 5th CAA from 2017 to 2019, and Major General Alexei Vladimirovich Podilov currently commands the 5th CAA.[5] High-level Russian commanders have taken remarkably high losses during combat in Ukraine, and will likely continue to do so as the Russian command continues to deploy military leadership directly to the frontline. Kutuzov’s death has not yet been confirmed but would be at least the seventh death of a general in Ukraine since the beginning of the war.[6]

Russian forces conducted their first missile strike against Kyiv in over a month on June 5. Advisor to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Vadym Denysenko stated that Russian forces fired five X-22 cruise missiles from a Tu-95 aircraft at Kyiv from the direction of the Caspian Sea that hit the Darnytsia Rail Car Repair Plant on the outskirts of Kyiv.[7] The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that this strike targeted T-72 tanks supplied to Ukraine by other Eastern European countries, but images of the target area confirm that the missiles hit the Darnytsia plant. It is unclear if Russian forces intended to strike foreign-provided Ukrainian tanks and missed, or if the Kremlin is attempting to obfuscate its intended target. This attack on Kyiv likely indicates that Russian forces are continuing to target Ukrainian infrastructure in non-critical areas of Ukraine in order to disrupt Ukrainian logistics as Russian forces take considerable losses in Donbas.

Russian military bloggers continued to reckon with overarching struggles in Russian force generation on June 5. Russian milblogger Alexander Khodakovsky accused “screamers in the guise of patriots” of hypocritically calling for general mobilization while at the same time discrediting the Russian military leadership and driving away those who would voluntarily take up arms for Russia.[9] Khodakovsky blamed the pervasive public discourse on general mobilization for making people overthink and subsequently become less willing to enter military service, thereby forcing Russian military command closer to actually needing to announce general mobilization. Khodakovsky suggested that this discourse is setting Russia up for a long war in Ukraine and that Russian authorities have been positioned to take the blame for losses. Russian war journalist Alexander Sladkov claimed that the Russian grouping in Ukraine is an ”exclusively professional army” not staffed by conscripts, while simultaneously calling for the removal of health requirements for rear and combat specialties in order to mobilize those who should be medically disqualified.[10] These and other comments by Russian military specialists indicate the Russian military community is increasingly aware of issues in sustaining mobilization efforts and different actors are seeking to apportion blame as Russian operations continue to stall.

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Ukrainian counterattacks in Severodonetsk recaptured large parts of the city and forced Russian troops out of the southern suburbs of the city.
Russian forces continued efforts to converge on Slovyansk from the southeast of Izyum and west of Lyman but remain unlikely to make notable advances around Slovyansk due to their continued prioritization of Severodonetsk.
Ukrainian troops reportedly conducted limited and localized counterattacks north of Kharkiv City.
Russian forces continued to hold their defensive lines and fire at Ukrainian positions along the Southern Axis.
Ukrainian forces likely killed Russian Major General Roman Kutuzov near Popasna.  
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Main effort—Eastern Ukraine (comprised of one subordinate and three supporting efforts);
Subordinate main effort- Encirclement of Ukrainian troops in the cauldron between Izyum and Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts
Supporting effort 1—Kharkiv City;
Supporting effort 2—Southern Axis;
Activities in Russian-occupied Areas
Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine

Subordinate Main Effort—Southern Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk Oblasts (Russian objective: Encircle Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine and capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

Russian forces continued efforts to advance toward Slovyansk from Izyum and made limited, unsuccessful attacks on June 5. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces conducted unsuccessful ground assaults on Bohorodychne and Dovhenke, 35 and 25 km southeast of Izyum, respectively.[11] Russian forces are additionally making incremental advances to the northwest of Lyman around Svyatohirsk, about 30 kilometers directly north of Slovyansk, and reportedly advanced to within 15 km of Slovyansk.[12] The Russian effort in this area is likely intended to link advances southeast of Izyum with Russian operations to the north and west of Lyman, with both axes converging on Slovyansk. However, Russian forces remain unlikely to make notable advances on this front as Russian troops continue to prioritize Severodonetsk at the expense of other lines of effort.  
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Ukrainian forces conducted further counterattacks in Severodonetsk on June 5, halting Russian advances and recapturing large areas of the city. Head of the Luhansk Regional State Administration Serhiy Haidai stated that Ukrainian forces have recaptured 70% of Severodonetsk from Russian forces in the last two days and that Russian forces now only control the eastern outskirts of the city.[13] A Russian Telegram channel additionally stated that a limited Ukrainian counterattack pushed Russian troops out of Syrotne and Lisna Dacha, villages on the southern outskirts of Severodonetsk.[14] Russian forces continued to carry out artillery, mortar, and MLRS strikes to support operations in Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, Toshkivka, and Ustynivka.[15] Ukrainian counterattacks in Severodonetsk will likely force Russian commanders to commit additional degraded units and equipment to the area to halt successful Ukrainian efforts to roll back gains Russian forces took over a week to secure.[16]

Russian forces continued air, artillery, and ground attacks to the east of Bakhmut but did not make any confirmed advances on June 5.[17] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces transferred 20 units of unspecified weapons and military equipment to replenish losses in the Bakhmut area, indicating that Russian forces are sustaining casualties in their continued efforts to gain control of ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to the northeast of Bakhmut.[18] Russian forces continued ground assaults on the eastern arc of Bakhmut in Bilohorivka, Mykailivka, and Dolomitne.[19] The Russian grouping in the Donetsk City-Avdiivka area did not engage in any confirmed advances on June 5.[20]  
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 Supporting Effort #1—Kharkiv City (Russian objective: Withdraw forces to the north and defend ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum)

Russian forces are reportedly fighting to hold their occupied positions north of Kharkiv City following limited Ukrainian counterattacks on June 5. A Russian Telegram channel claimed that Ukrainian forces launched a counterattack against Russian positions in northern Kharkiv Oblast and that Ukrainian forces are attempting to advance in Tsupivka, Turove, Velyki Prokhody, Ternova, Rubizhne (the Rubizhne in Kharkiv Oblast, not in Luhansk) and Staryi Saltiv.[21] ISW cannot independently confirm if Ukrainian forces recaptured these locations or are currently contesting them. However, Ukrainian forces likely seek to take advantage of the Russian focus on Severodonetsk to make prudent counterattacks in other sectors. Russian forces continued artillery strikes against Kharkiv City and its environs and fired on Tsyrkuny, Derhachi, Ruski and Cherkasy Tyshky, Staryi Saltiv, and Kozacha Lopan.[22]
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Supporting Effort #2—Southern Axis (Objective: Defend Kherson and Zaporizhia Oblasts against Ukrainian counterattacks)

Russian forces continued to hold their defensive lines and fire on Ukrainian positions along the Southern Axis on June 5.[23] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces mined the bank of the Inhulets River in anticipation of Ukrainian counteroffensives in Kherson Oblast, indicating that Russian troops are feeling the pressure of recent localized Ukrainian counterattacks along the Kherson-Mykolaiv Oblast border.[24] Russian troops continued unsuccessful ground assaults in northern Kherson around Vysokopillya and Kochubeivka and intensively fired on the line of contact in Zaporizhia, Dnipropetrovsk, and Mykolaiv Oblasts.[25]  
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Activity in Russian-occupied Areas (Russian objective: consolidate administrative control of occupied areas; set conditions for potential annexation into the Russian Federation or some other future political arrangement of Moscow’s choosing)

Russian occupation authorities continued efforts to strengthen bureaucratic, societal, and economic control of occupied areas but did not make any major changes on June 5. Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko claimed that the occupation administration in Mariupol continues to fail to provide basic social services for citizens and that the city is still facing widespread restrictions on water access.[26]
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

And also a good opportunity to shut up the "Russia is winning!" trolls that have been all over YT, social media and even here in small numbers for the past week because of Severodonetsk.

Russia is currently stalled or being pushed back along the entire front, to include Severodonetsk. They aren't advancing ANYWHERE. Russia is most definitely not winning. They have now mostly even lost Severodonetsk, which they partially managed to occupy last week after weeks of fighting and a maximum effort, at frightful costs.

As more western weapons roll in and potentially hundreds of thousands of mobilized Ukrainian troops complete training and take to the field, Russia will be lucky if they can hold on to the land they occupied prior to February 24th.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Yea, that's a surprising turn of events, good opportunity to crush them and break the Russian advance in the East.

And also a good opportunity to shut up the "Russia is winning!" trolls that have been all over YT, social media and even here in small numbers for the past week because of Severodonetsk.

Russia is currently stalled or being pushed back along the entire front, to include Severodonetsk. They aren't advancing ANYWHERE. Russia is most definitely not winning. They have now mostly even lost Severodonetsk, which they partially managed to occupy last week after weeks of fighting and a maximum effort, at frightful costs.

As more western weapons roll in and potentially hundreds of thousands of mobilized Ukrainian troops complete training and take to the field, Russia will be lucky if they can hold on to the land they occupied prior to February 24th.

Spot on!

It just goes to show you the power of propaganda and information warfare and its ability to influence public opinion worldwide. But at the end of the day, physical results matter and Russia is letting Pooty throw its future away with this blunder in Ukraine.
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Did we talk about the newly-deaded Russian major general?


First time I've seen photos of a dead one, looks like artillery got him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/v5i9lu/russian_major_general_roman_kutuzov_killed_in/
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A good Russian.
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Does anyone have any info about the Russian cruise missile strike today in Kyiv? It's been on the news. Supposedly Russia was hitting some facility that was holding US and Western tanks and equipment but Ukraine said it was a train car factory...

Putin was again making threats about Russia hitting more targets if the West sends mid-range systems to UA.

Did the Russians have good/bad intel or missed the intended target as usual?

If a bunch of Polish/E. German T72's got taken out, it'd be interesting to know.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 7:14:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Looks like a TOS-1A being used in direct fire mode.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v58r06/russian_tos1a_firing_in_nikolaevkherson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
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That was impressive. I can only imagine that being used in an urban setting.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Does anyone have any info about the Russian cruise missile strike today in Kyiv? It's been on the news. Supposedly Russia was hitting some facility that was holding US and Western tanks and equipment but Ukraine said it was a train car factory...

Putin was again making threats about Russia hitting more targets if the West sends mid-range systems to UA.

Did the Russians have good/bad intel or missed the intended target as usual?

If a bunch of Polish/E. German T72's got taken out, it'd be interesting to know.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Does anyone have any info about the Russian cruise missile strike today in Kyiv? It's been on the news. Supposedly Russia was hitting some facility that was holding US and Western tanks and equipment but Ukraine said it was a train car factory...

Putin was again making threats about Russia hitting more targets if the West sends mid-range systems to UA.

Did the Russians have good/bad intel or missed the intended target as usual?

If a bunch of Polish/E. German T72's got taken out, it'd be interesting to know.



https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-5

Russian forces conducted their first missile strike against Kyiv in over a month on June 5. Advisor to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Vadym Denysenko stated that Russian forces fired five X-22 cruise missiles from a Tu-95 aircraft at Kyiv from the direction of the Caspian Sea that hit the Darnytsia Rail Car Repair Plant on the outskirts of Kyiv.[7] The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that this strike targeted T-72 tanks supplied to Ukraine by other Eastern European countries, but images of the target area confirm that the missiles hit the Darnytsia plant. It is unclear if Russian forces intended to strike foreign-provided Ukrainian tanks and missed, or if the Kremlin is attempting to obfuscate its intended target. This attack on Kyiv likely indicates that Russian forces are continuing to target Ukrainian infrastructure in non-critical areas of Ukraine in order to disrupt Ukrainian logistics as Russian forces take considerable losses in Donbas.

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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Does anyone have any info about the Russian cruise missile strike today in Kyiv? It's been on the news. Supposedly Russia was hitting some facility that was holding US and Western tanks and equipment but Ukraine said it was a train car factory...

Putin was again making threats about Russia hitting more targets if the West sends mid-range systems to UA.

Did the Russians have good/bad intel or missed the intended target as usual?

If a bunch of Polish/E. German T72's got taken out, it'd be interesting to know.
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Only Russia says anything about foreign tanks in connection with this. Apparently local media went to one of the strike sites and filmed no evidence of tanks.
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Serious question say by august most of Ukraine’s reserves and mobilized troops are in theater. And say they overwhelm Russia and push them back. Who’s gonna stop a force that dedicated and hungry from marching on Moscow?

People say nukes but what if that isn’t a deterrent for Ukraine knowing that if they don’t cut the head off the snake they’ll be back in 15-20 years…
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Russians don’t fight near so well on other peoples land as they do on their own.
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Only Russia says anything about foreign tanks in connection with this. Apparently local media went to one of the strike sites and filmed no evidence of tanks.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Does anyone have any info about the Russian cruise missile strike today in Kyiv? It's been on the news. Supposedly Russia was hitting some facility that was holding US and Western tanks and equipment but Ukraine said it was a train car factory...

Putin was again making threats about Russia hitting more targets if the West sends mid-range systems to UA.

Did the Russians have good/bad intel or missed the intended target as usual?

If a bunch of Polish/E. German T72's got taken out, it'd be interesting to know.


Only Russia says anything about foreign tanks in connection with this. Apparently local media went to one of the strike sites and filmed no evidence of tanks.

Could've been bad intel, but more likely was just a propaganda strike for domestic consumption.  The Russian government will claim it destroyed 200 nazi gangster tanks and the Russian people will believe it.  Cost, just a few missiles.
Note that they worked the “wonder weapon” SU-57 into the story as well.
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Hope that Orc and the rest of his tank crew eats a ATGM soon
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Originally Posted By Doritodust:
Serious question say by august most of Ukraine’s reserves and mobilized troops are in theater. And say they overwhelm Russia and push them back. Who’s gonna stop a force that dedicated and hungry from marching on Moscow?

People say nukes but what if that isn’t a deterrent for Ukraine knowing that if they don’t cut the head off the snake they’ll be back in 15-20 years…
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Because ensuring the backing of the US nuclear deterrent force is far less likely if the Ukrainians march on Moscow.  They also don't have the logistical capability to do it.
Russia is already in deep shit and will be in deeper shit in three months.  There will be a coup/revolution of some sort combined with economic collapse within a year give or take.  Think 1917 all over again.  No need to invade, Russia will implode on their own, and thats if they don't do something monumentally stupid first.
Link Posted: 6/5/2022 7:48:08 PM EDT
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Yea, that's a surprising turn of events, good opportunity to crush them and break the Russian advance in the East.
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Hopefully gobbeled up like a huge Pac-Man


Yea, that's a surprising turn of events, good opportunity to crush them and break the Russian advance in the East.

I would almost put money on UKR arty on the heights out side the city doing a sort of moving barrage in front of advancing troops all WW1 like.
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Russians don't fight near so well on other peoples land as they do on their own.
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Thats the big secret: The Russians didnt actually fight well on their own land. They used a fuck ton of artillery and zerg rushed.
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Thats the big secret: The Russians didnt actually fight well on their own land. They used a fuck ton of artillery and zerg rushed.
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I’m not saying they are skilled, just that they don’t roll over, surrender and serve the invader. Typically.
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Did we talk about the newly-deaded Russian major general?


First time I've seen photos of a dead one, looks like artillery got him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/v5i9lu/russian_major_general_roman_kutuzov_killed_in/
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Originally Posted By Doritodust:
Serious question say by august most of Ukraine’s reserves and mobilized troops are in theater. And say they overwhelm Russia and push them back. Who’s gonna stop a force that dedicated and hungry from marching on Moscow?

People say nukes but what if that isn’t a deterrent for Ukraine knowing that if they don’t cut the head off the snake they’ll be back in 15-20 years…
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They could go south and free Georgia/osetia
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First...time...I've...seen...photos...of...a...dead...one,...looks...like...artillery...got...him.

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First good footage of today’s fighter shootdown.  Comments elsewhere say SU-25.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v5mes3/fighter_jet_of_unclear_origin_shot_down_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Ukraine isn’t totally mobilized yet.  They started with 200K troops and are on their way to 700K-1M.  How many they actually have right now is anyone’s guess, but it probably isn’t 700k for another few months.
This has been discussed at length, but for Russia, declaring a full mobilization carries some severe costs.
It would put the lie to three months of “special operation” propaganda.
The economy, already on the ropes, would collapse quickly.
Moscow and St. Petersburg kids would start dying instead of poor rural expendable kids, leading to inconvenient public questions.
It will be increasingly obvious that Putin’s ruling elite have robbed the country blind and Russian kids are dying because of it.
Russia would have the choice of either properly training their fresh troops, causing a delay of many months, or sending them straight into the meat-grinder.  I think its likely they send them into the meat grinder.
Russia cannot equip them with anything besides AKs (maybe even SKSs) and obsolete heavy equipment which is vulnerable to nearly everything.  Casualty rates would be horrific against an entrenched and by that time hardened Ukrainian army.
Russia cannot supply a mass army outside its own borders.  OK, send two million men south.  They’ll be eating grass in two weeks.
Against this, the west (specifically the US) still has no shortage of modern, first line gear to send.  Russia sending 2,000 T-55s against you?  OK, here’s another 200 MLRS.  Problem solved.  We’re barely scratching the surface on obsolescent tanks/APCs (i.e. M-60, M113) and we haven’t even begun to send fighters.
Given the western will to continue to supply arty ammo and MLRS, I question whether even an all-out zerg rush could take the country.  Ukraine would continue to fight, they have no choice.
IMO a full Russian mobilization is FAR more likely to lead to a 1917-style collapse than a costly victory.
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You are right. However, the other side of the coin is that the UA economy in serious trouble, millions of people are displaced and it's running on fumes.

Next year, even this winter will be brutal for both countries. In this war of attrition, the real question is, who hits the bottom first.  If you don't, you are the winner.


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@capta has given a detailed answer about the political and logistical constraints of mobilization.

Let me add one more point wrt the original post - that Russia did not engage with "limited force."  They threw their very best units into it from day one, and they are gone - just destroyed.  "Zerg rush" is a fair analogy - at this point they mostly only have zerglings for ground forces and that's all they can generate for the future.  While Stalin's adage that "quantity has a quality of its own" is not pointless, it has its limits.

If you look at the Russian order of battle, it is NOT good.  A comparison from WWII would be this - it you were a US Armored division, would you rather take on the 3rd SS Panzer Division, or FIVE Volksgrenadier divisions?  You'd take the five - hands down.  And you'd win handily.  You would prevail against the SS, but it would be costly.  At this point, Russia is putting together zerg junk and it's all they can really put together going forward.  The elite units are gone and they aren't coming back in this fight.
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They threw their very best in it from day one, I get that. Historically, RF has won wars by mobilizing the entire country, suspending production of anything remotely related to civilian needs and throwing millions at the problem.

Just one major battle, the battle for Berlin has cost them 200K. How do you think they lost 20 million?

If they throw numbers at this problem, they would surely win. They have more than 100 million more citizens.  How many of fighting age, not clear. During WWII bicycle shops made PPSH submachine guns, women drove tractors, kids worked in factories as adults.

They can't win this conflict without returning to WWII like mobilization. Whether it's feasible - likely not. But.


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probably so, but they can try.

UA now has no option but fight to retake sea of Azov ports like Mariupol and also Crimea. They accepted their loss around 2014, Donbass area and the peninsula and now they have no reason not to take fight and attempt to retake. What's the worst that can happen?
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25m men of fighting age. 2m or more of whom have left.

Calling up too many people could lead to violence in Russia though.

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First good footage of today’s fighter shootdown.  Comments elsewhere say SU-25.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v5mes3/fighter_jet_of_unclear_origin_shot_down_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3


Good toasty fireball footage.
Cant see were the hit came from?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v5mes3/fighter_jet_of_unclear_origin_shot_down_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3



That's the interesting thing, it got hit near the engines, but the missile could have been a long range shot where you wouldn't see a smoky trail.
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