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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:06:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

RE: Russians become angry about war casualties...

In Afghanistan, the casualties were spread around a little more egalitarian as it was harder to duck conscription. Now, they are mostly from far-away regions that none of the city folks gives a crap about.
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Any day now russians will stop saying "I'm apolitical" , "I don't watch the news" , "I just try to focus on my own life" , "It's really not up to me, the leaders are going to do what they are going to do" , "we've been through hard times before, we will survive" , "I just try not to think about it" "I trust the government to make the best decisions even if they don't tell me everything" , "I'm not an expert so I'm really not qualified to have an opinion" , "we are simple people, we don't get involved in politics". Any day now.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:13:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SafetyFirst:


Just my humble opinion but since Russia decided to invade a country to destroy it and murder the citizens of said country I am wondering why Zelensky has not hammered the crap out of Moscow and and St Petersburg.  
I mean when one country invades another country whether you say it is a war or not does not change the fact that it is a war and the invaded country has every moral right and obligation to come at you. Period.
If UA acquires or has weapons to turn Moscow's military complexes into torches Zelensky has every right to do so and that action should not change world opinion of UA.
I am no military planner but just another observer who would like to see Putin and the Russian people seriously regret the decision to invade.
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By kncook:
I wish UA would make a mad dash into Russia itself in the north instead of doing what Russia expects and meeting them in the south. Wouldn’t that freak out Russian forces if UA captured a giant chunk of Russia in a weekend? Could they? What would Russians forces do?


A Ukrainian invasion into Russia would probably divert forces from Russias invasion back in country to counter it.
But. It may prompt some international backlash on Ukraine by some.  Who know if Russia would use it as an excuse to use WMDs, but they will use it for propaganda like crazy.


Just my humble opinion but since Russia decided to invade a country to destroy it and murder the citizens of said country I am wondering why Zelensky has not hammered the crap out of Moscow and and St Petersburg.  
I mean when one country invades another country whether you say it is a war or not does not change the fact that it is a war and the invaded country has every moral right and obligation to come at you. Period.
If UA acquires or has weapons to turn Moscow's military complexes into torches Zelensky has every right to do so and that action should not change world opinion of UA.
I am no military planner but just another observer who would like to see Putin and the Russian people seriously regret the decision to invade.


Rationally, it’s a total war for Ukraine, so Russia should not be off limits to counter attack.  There has been a lot of sabotage and arson inside Russia and Belarus.  But, I think there is a PR issue of “fighting invaders” back in to their homeland.   But in my mind, Ukraine has every right to destroy Russia’s military bases and war facilities on Russia’s soil.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:20:49 PM EDT
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The assault on Liman continues: Russian "Tornado" destroy the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the city, supporting the offensive

The Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems of the Brave group accurately hit the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine around Liman.
Large-scale artillery preparation

Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:22:43 PM EDT
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Near Donetsk they found abandoned burned-out Ukrainian military trucks with German license plates

(NOBODY LIKES YOU, RUSSIA)
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:26:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname:

Russia's pretty much using the Antifa definition of "Nazi."
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Originally Posted By stone-age:
Originally Posted By burnka871:



That's weird. They sound kinda ...nazi-ish


One of the russian talking heads explained that being nazi means being against russia. If you are against russia, you are a nazi.

Russia's pretty much using the Antifa definition of "Nazi."


NAZI is a Western term for National Socialist Germans in WWII.   The Soviets called them fascists.  It doesn’t mean the same thing to them.  All their WWII stuff will have Фашист or some version of it.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:32:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:36:37 PM EDT
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Austin must absolutely hate the Russians.  I know gd hated on him but the dude came out publicly stating that they want to degrade Russia

He must have been on an op that the Russians killed his buddies and left him alive.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:36:56 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:44:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


Any day now russians will stop saying "I'm apolitical" , "I don't watch the news" , "I just try to focus on my own life" , "It's really not up to me, the leaders are going to do what they are going to do" , "we've been through hard times before, we will survive" , "I just try not to think about it" "I trust the government to make the best decisions even if they don't tell me everything" , "I'm not an expert so I'm really not qualified to have an opinion" , "we are simple people, we don't get involved in politics". Any day now.
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Wow, I think you nailed every one that I have ever heard them say.

Of course, we know it is a survival mechanism, because there is an entire apparatus of low- and mid-level assholes paid out of Moscow or regional government coffers, exclusively to turn the screws on average people. They just don't want the hassle. I wonder when they will get so tired of it, that they finally "set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand"?

Let's not hold our breath though, right?
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:49:24 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:50:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:


NAZI is a Western term for National Socialist Germans in WWII.   The Soviets called them fascists.  It doesn’t mean the same thing to them.  All their WWII stuff will have Фашист or some version of it.
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname:
Originally Posted By stone-age:
Originally Posted By burnka871:



That's weird. They sound kinda ...nazi-ish


One of the russian talking heads explained that being nazi means being against russia. If you are against russia, you are a nazi.

Russia's pretty much using the Antifa definition of "Nazi."


NAZI is a Western term for National Socialist Germans in WWII.   The Soviets called them fascists.  It doesn’t mean the same thing to them.  All their WWII stuff will have Фашист or some version of it.



This is true, they are almost always called fascist there. However, the NEW definition of Nazi is a nationalist (anyone who puts their country first, except Russians of course) but reasonable Russians still don't buy that and do use the terms Nazi and fascist interchangeably....though they usually default to "fascist".
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:52:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:


Wow, I think you nailed every one that I have ever heard them say.

Of course, we know it is a survival mechanism, because there is an entire apparatus of low- and mid-level assholes paid out of Moscow or regional government coffers, exclusively to turn the screws on average people. They just don't want the hassle. I wonder when they will get so tired of it, that they finally "set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand"?

Let's not hold our breath though, right?
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I think if anything happens it will be that the leader/leaders are replaced with new leaders specifically so they can say "See, we got rid of the people causing the trouble. Rejoice at your dictator/savior. All better now." And the people will say. "Good. We need to support and trust our new dictator leader to save us from what the last guy caused. But it will take time. We are fortunate to have such a great and caring political system. Unlike those corrupt westerners who are attacking us."
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:53:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stgdz:

Austin must absolutely hate the Russians.  I know gd hated on him but the dude came out publicly stating that they want to degrade Russia

He must have been on an op that the Russians killed his buddies and left him alive.
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:58:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:59:41 PM EDT
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Looks like a large Jart stuck in the ground in front of it?  Is that a sabot then went off straight up and came straight down?
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:04:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Near Donetsk they found abandoned burned-out Ukrainian military trucks with German license plates

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Can you post the picture via another an imagehoster please?  

Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:09:07 PM EDT
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German Newspaper "BILD":



The ruling coalition (SPD, Greens and FDP) is blocking Marder IFV deliveries to UA.  

Would have taken 6 weeks to get them ready.





Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:13:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:


Ross Perot had traction because of
a) The first Savings and Loan debacle in real estate. And the follow on H.W. Bush buddy bailout.
b) The taxes (read my lips) that got hiked. *Except for billionaires
c) DoD Crony Capitalism contracts
d) The debates that had both Perot and Clinton looking pretty good  

It isn't just that Perot got a bunch of votes. Perot got a bunch of votes because Daddy Bush was an asshole.
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I voted for Perot. What I remember was he seemed genuinely concerned about the future of our country with jobs going off-shore, NAFTA, etc. And being a recent vet. of DS#1 I was pissed at Bush with the way the war ended. All that build up, the war, the bombing, beating the shit out of Saddam and poof, "It's all over boys" and Saddam gets off the hook. I'm sorry that Clinton won, he was a fucking disaster for out country (China) but Perot played a good game.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:16:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

It's sad, really. I can't get over how virtually every Russian interviewed gives those answers because they're scared. But then they were the ones that allowed the slow burn that got them this totalitarian censorship. "I just try not to think about it" indeed...
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On youtube I now watch "inside russia". A guy in the engineering and petroleum field who moved from russia to america at age 20 to "make it". He busted ass, he made it. He really liked america, but finally decided he really would never feel like the US is 'home". So he moved back. He is a russian with american life experience. . He says it's like russia shot itself in both feet, then while laying on the ground screaming, russia reloaded and shot itself in both elbows. He says he understands russians though 3/4 don't share his views. It's probably his american experience why he says he refuses to be quiet. He currently has friends in Ukraine.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:17:29 PM EDT
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I’d love to see that video if you can find it.
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Saw a video years ago of Obama when he made a state visit to Russia. It seems to have been filmed at Putin’s dacha outside Moscow. Putin’s body language was extraordinary…Obama sat there and blathered on cluelessly as Putin appeared to be lusting to leap over the table and strangle him on the spot. It was clear Putin loathed him viscerally .


I’d love to see that video if you can find it.

I found this:
Obama & Putin Breakfast
Obama & Putin sharing a traditional Russian breakfast - No comment
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:24:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mbinky:


We will always win because the American Fighting Man is the single greatest warrior this Earth has ever seen.  

There is no equal.  You may be swayed into thinking he is not, but I am here to tell you that is wrong.

I have seen the American Fighting Man in every clime and place.  I have been beside him.  He has inspired me.  

My great uncles and my grand dad's fought the Jerries and the Japs in the Big One.  My dad fought the communists in Vietnam.

Being Raised on Reagan I figured I was born to fight the communists in eastern Europe.  

Didn't quite work out that way, I ended up fighting towel headed terrorists.  

But the fact remains that no greater warrior has ever walked this planet.  

It may sound kitchy, but some of us still believe that the greatest country to ever have the sun rise over it is still guarded by the greatest warriors ever known.  

And yes, we will always win.







https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/AP_bradley_manning_dm_130610_31x11_992.jpg


That's an American Fighting Ma'am!  

Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:28:32 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:29:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:



This is true, they are almost always called fascist there. However, the NEW definition of Nazi is a nationalist (anyone who puts their country first, except Russians of course) but reasonable Russians still don't buy that and do use the terms Nazi and fascist interchangeably....though they usually default to "fascist".
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Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:
Originally Posted By CleverNickname:
Originally Posted By stone-age:
Originally Posted By burnka871:



That's weird. They sound kinda ...nazi-ish


One of the russian talking heads explained that being nazi means being against russia. If you are against russia, you are a nazi.

Russia's pretty much using the Antifa definition of "Nazi."


NAZI is a Western term for National Socialist Germans in WWII.   The Soviets called them fascists.  It doesn’t mean the same thing to them.  All their WWII stuff will have Фашист or some version of it.



This is true, they are almost always called fascist there. However, the NEW definition of Nazi is a nationalist (anyone who puts their country first, except Russians of course) but reasonable Russians still don't buy that and do use the terms Nazi and fascist interchangeably....though they usually default to "fascist".

Nah, even that's too narrow of a definition.  "Nazi" just means "someone who isn't 100% down with the Woke agenda."
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:31:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RSM:


Looks like a large Jart stuck in the ground in front of it?  Is that a sabot then went off straight up and came straight down?
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Originally Posted By Prime:


Looks like a large Jart stuck in the ground in front of it?  Is that a sabot then went off straight up and came straight down?



Like you said, it's one of the sabot rounds for the tank.

Closeup of round used:  http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/IMAGES/3bm42001.html

http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ARM/apfsds/ammo.html
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:33:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SafetyFirst:


Just my humble opinion but since Russia decided to invade a country to destroy it and murder the citizens of said country I am wondering why Zelensky has not hammered the crap out of Moscow and and St Petersburg.  
I mean when one country invades another country whether you say it is a war or not does not change the fact that it is a war and the invaded country has every moral right and obligation to come at you. Period.
If UA acquires or has weapons to turn Moscow's military complexes into torches Zelensky has every right to do so and that action should not change world opinion of UA.
I am no military planner but just another observer who would like to see Putin and the Russian people seriously regret the decision to invade.
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UA is certainly justified but if total war was declared, how long would UA last?

This isnt the best example but imagine if Vietnam in 1973 found a way to bomb DC or the Pentagon? Assassinated Nixon? Would the American people not demand ramping things up rather than agitating for pulling out? Zelensky and the UA are walking a tightrope. They need to beat Russia as quick as possible without motivating the whole Russian population into supporting their destruction. Russia has not used nukes or chemical weapons nor have they really tried to bomb Kiev too much. Yes we know Russia would lose and Putin also has to be careful not to get NATO involved. In "total war" Ukraine would last 30 minutes (Russia would last maybe 35 but how long would your/my home town last?)
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:42:51 PM EDT
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Boris will fall off the fishing boat and unfortunately will get tangled up in the boat anchor. Such a tragedy so soon after retirement.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:49:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname:

Nah, even that's too narrow of a definition.  "Nazi" just means "someone who isn't 100% down with the Woke agenda."
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:
Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:
Originally Posted By CleverNickname:
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Originally Posted By burnka871:



That's weird. They sound kinda ...nazi-ish


One of the russian talking heads explained that being nazi means being against russia. If you are against russia, you are a nazi.

Russia's pretty much using the Antifa definition of "Nazi."


NAZI is a Western term for National Socialist Germans in WWII.   The Soviets called them fascists.  It doesn’t mean the same thing to them.  All their WWII stuff will have Фашист or some version of it.



This is true, they are almost always called fascist there. However, the NEW definition of Nazi is a nationalist (anyone who puts their country first, except Russians of course) but reasonable Russians still don't buy that and do use the terms Nazi and fascist interchangeably....though they usually default to "fascist".

Nah, even that's too narrow of a definition.  "Nazi" just means "someone who isn't 100% down with the Woke agenda."



That's not what it means in Russia AT ALL.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 7:17:14 PM EDT
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Institute for the Study of War update for today:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-23

May 23, 6:00 pm ET

Russian nationalist figures are increasingly criticizing the failures of Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and are calling for further mobilization that the Kremlin likely remains unwilling and unable to pursue in the short term. The All-Russian Officers Assembly, an independent pro-Russian veterans’ association that seeks to reform Russian military strategy, called for Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin to declare war on Ukraine and introduce partial mobilization in Russia on May 19.[1] The Assembly said that Russia’s “special military operation” failed to achieve its goals in three months, especially after the failed Siverskyi Donets River crossings. ISW previously assessed that the destruction of nearly an entire Russian battalion tactical group (BTG) during a failed river crossing on May 11 shocked Russian military observers and prompted them to question Russian competence.[2] The Assembly’s appeal called on Putin to recognize that Russian forces are no longer only “denazifying” Ukraine but are fighting a war for Russia’s historic territories and existence in the world order. The officers demanded that the Kremlin mobilize all regions bordering NATO countries (including Ukraine), form territorial defense squads, extend standard military service terms from one year to two, and form new supreme wartime administrations over Russia, the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR), and newly occupied Ukrainian settlements. The officers also demanded the death penalty for deserters.

The Assembly’s letter may be a leading indicator of elements of the Russian government and society setting informational conditions to declare partial mobilization. However, the Kremlin has so far declined to take this step likely due to concerns over domestic backlash and flaws in Russia’s mobilization systems.[3] The All-Russian Officers Assembly called on Putin to recognize the independence of the DNR and LNR three weeks prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, setting conditions for the Russian “special military operation.”[4] Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced on May 20 that Russia will form 12 new Western Military District units (of unspecified echelon) before the end of the year in response to NATO expansion.[5] Russian forces may intend to man these units with newly mobilized personnel, as it is unclear how else the Kremlin could generate the manpower for new units. The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that Russian forces are withdrawing old T-62 tanks from storage to form new BTGs.[6] Russia is likely continuing to exhaust its remaining combat-ready reserves to maintain the momentum of the Battle of Severodonetsk, rather than prioritizing preparations for new reinforcements. ISW previously assessed that Russian mobilization is unlikely to generate combat-ready force due to hasty training.[7]

More Russians supportive of the Kremlin and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are beginning to criticize the Kremlin openly. Russian milbloggers claimed that the Kremlin will not honor the Officers Assembly appeal, indicating an intensifying negative perception of the Russian leadership among Russians supportive of the war in Ukraine. Kaliningrad Oblast Governor Anton Alikhanov publicly stated that the Russian war in Ukraine has disrupted transport routes and construction schedules in the region, a rare admission of the economic cost of the war from a Russian government official.[9] The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that Russian military personnel are increasingly complaining about the ineffectiveness of offensive operations against Ukrainian troops.[10]

Unidentified assailants continued attacks against military recruitment offices in Russia on May 23, indicating growing discontent with conscription.[11] A Russian Telegram channel reported that an unknown attacker threw a Molotov cocktail at the military recruitment office in the Udmurtia region, which follows a May 19 incident wherein a Russian conscript shot at a recruitment office in Zheleznogorsk-Ilimsky (Irkutsk Oblast) with a pneumatic device.[12] The Ukrainian General Staff previously reported that 12 total attacks on recruitment offices have happened since the beginning of the war, with five happening in the past few weeks alone.[13] These attacks may represent growing domestic discontent with conscription and recruitment practices.

The UK Ministry of Defense reported that Russia has suffered a similar death toll within the first three months of the invasion of Ukraine as was experienced by the Soviet Union over the course of nine years in Afghanistan.[14] The British Ministry of Defense stated that a combination of poor low-level tactics, poor air defense, lack of operational flexibility, and poor command methods have resulted in repeated mistakes and failures, which are continuing to be evident in Donbas. The report noted that the Russian public is sensitive to high casualty numbers, and assessed that as casualties suffered in Ukraine grow and become harder to conceal, public dissatisfaction will increase.

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Russian nationalist figures (including veterans and military commentators) are increasingly criticizing the failures of Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and are calling for further mobilization that the Kremlin likely remains unwilling and unable to pursue in the short term.
Russian forces around Izyum increased their tempo of air and artillery strikes and likely intend to attempt to resume stalled offensive operations in the coming days.
Russian operations to encircle Severodonetsk made minor gains in the past 24 hours, driving north through Zolote. Fighting is ongoing in Lyman (north of Severodonetsk) as Russian forces attempt to cut off Ukrainian supply lines
Russian forces will likely make further minor gains west of Popasna in the near future but are unlikely to be able to quickly seize Bakhmut.
The Ukrainian counteroffensive northeast of Kharkiv continues to threaten Russian positions and is forcing Russia to pull units from ongoing offensive operations in eastern Ukraine to shore up their defensive positions near Vovchansk.
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Main effort—Eastern Ukraine (comprised of one subordinate and three supporting efforts);
Subordinate main effort—Encirclement of Ukrainian troops in the cauldron between Izyum and Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts
Supporting effort 1—Mariupol;
Supporting effort 2—Kharkiv City;
Supporting effort 3—Southern axis.
Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine

Subordinate Main Effort—Southern Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk Oblasts (Russian objective: Encircle Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine and capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

Russian forces intensified air and artillery strikes southeast of Izyum on May 23 in preparation for intended resumed offensive operations towards Slovyansk. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that unspecified elements of Russia’s Western, Central, and Eastern Military Districts, along with the 11th Army Corps of the Baltic Fleet, are preparing to resume attacks toward Slovyansk.[15] Russian forces conducted artillery strikes and reconnoitered Ukrainian positions southeast of Izyum around Dibrove, Virnopillya, Bogorodichne, Husarivka, Chepil, Dolyna, Studenok, and Sviatorhirsk.[16] The Ukrainian General Staff noted that Russian forces attempted an unsuccessful ground assault on Dovhenke, about 20 km southeast of Izyum.[17] The Ukrainian General Staff additionally stated that Russian forces are strengthening the police-administrative regime in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast, likely to consolidate control of Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) that run south to Izyum against possible Ukrainian partisan actions.[18]
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Russian forces continued ground assaults around Severodonetsk and made marginal gains to encircle the city on May 23.[19] Russian sources claimed that Russian troops cleared the settlement of Shchedryshcheve, directly northeast of Severodonetsk, and are fighting on the outskirts of the city.[20] Russian forces reportedly stormed Zolote and took control of the entry points to the city, which would allow them to push northward and complete the encirclement of Severodonetsk from the south.[21] The Ukrainian Defense Ministry reported that Russian forces are attempting to break through Ukrainian defenses around Popasna, specifically around Toshkivka, Komyshuvakha, Nyrkove, Vasylivka, Nova Kamyanka, and Myronivsky, in a likely attempt to push westward toward Bakhmut.[22] Ukrainian forces reportedly withdrew westward from Volodymyrivka to Soledar, indicating that Russian forces are advancing westward from Popasna, as opposed to prioritizing a northward push toward Severodonetsk.[23] Russian forces additionally made gains near the Donetsk-Luhansk administrative border and took control of Mironovsky, southeast of Bakhmut.[24] The capture of Mironovsky will enable further attempts to drive toward Bakhmut from both the south and west. However, Russian forces are unlikely to be able to capture Bakhmut quickly (if at all) based on their past performance in urban terrain in eastern Ukraine.

Russian forces intensified offensive operations around Lyman and Avdiivka and made gains on May 23. Unconfirmed reports suggest that Russian forces have launched an assault on the northern part of Lyman and have taken at least partial control of the city as of May 23.[25] Russian forces additionally intensified artillery strikes against Avdiivka and are likely taking advantage of their previous capture of Novoselivka in order to advance on Avdiivka and gain highway access toward Slovyansk.[26]
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Supporting Effort #1—Mariupol (Russian objective: Capture Mariupol and reduce the Ukrainian defenders)

Russian defense officials stated that Russian and proxy forces continued to demine the Azovstal Steel Plant on May 23.[27] Russian military Telegram bloggers criticized a video of Russian servicemen reportedly carrying out ground assaults on Azovstal on May 22 and stated that they should have waited for the remaining Ukrainian forces to surrender.[28] Russian milbloggers said that Russian forces did not attempt further assaults on May 23, but suggested that Russian military commanders continue to disregard servicemen’s lives in favor of the total capture of the Azovstal plant. ISW cannot independently confirm the number of remaining Ukrainian defenders in Azovstal. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin claimed that Ukrainian defenders who already surrendered are awaiting trials in detention centers in occupied Donetsk Oblast.[29]

Russian national (as opposed to DNR proxy) occupation authorities continued to strengthen their bureaucratic control over Mariupol, signaling a shift away from administrative control by DNR forces. Mariupol Mayor’s Advisor Petro Andryushenko reported that “volunteers” from Russia are assisting filtration efforts and Chechen units are patrolling highways from Mariupol into the Ukrainian-controlled areas of Zaporizhia Oblast.[30]

Supporting Effort #2—Kharkiv City (Russian objective: Withdraw forces to the north and defend ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum)

Russian forces focused on maintaining their positions north of Kharkiv City on May 23.[31] The Ukrainian Defense Ministry noted that unspecified elements of the Russian 6th and 41st Combined Arms Armies, Baltic Fleet, and (for the first time) the 1st and 2nd Army Corps are operating in the area to prevent Ukrainian troops from further advances.[32] The 1st and 2nd Army Corps are the armed forces of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, respectively. The redeployment of DNR and LNR troops away from their previous positions conducting frontal assaults in eastern Ukraine to northern Kharkiv to hold defensive lines against the Ukrainian counteroffensive indicates Russia’s prioritization of slowing the Ukrainian counteroffensive, at the cost of reinforcing Russian offensive operations in the east. A pro-Russian source reported that Russian forces are still fighting in Lytpsi and Rubizhne (in Kharkiv Oblast, not Luhansk Oblast), which is consistent with previous claims that Russian troops were able to regain some ground to the north of Kharkiv City.[33] Russian forces continued to shell Kharkiv City and its environs throughout May 23.[34]

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Supporting Effort #3—Southern Axis (Objective: Defend Kherson against Ukrainian counterattacks)

Russian forces continued to set conditions to establish permanent control and resume offensive operations in southern Ukraine on May 23. The Zaporizhia Oblast Military Administration reported that Russian forces are accumulating troops in Vasylivka—approximately 80 km south of Zaporizhia City and east of the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant (NPP) in Enerhodar.[35] Russian forces likely seek to consolidate their control of the Zaporizhia NPP and mitigate the threat of Ukrainian counteroffensives in Zaporizhia Oblast. The Ukrainian General Staff stated that Russia is deploying two additional S-400 anti-aircraft missile battalions to northwestern Crimea to reinforce air defenses against any possible Ukrainian counterattacks[36] The Ukrainian military also reported that Russian forces are fortifying their frontiers in Kherson and Mykolaiv oblasts.[37]
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Immediate items to watch

Russian forces are likely reinforcing their grouping north of Kharkiv City to prevent further advances of the Ukrainian counteroffensive toward the Russian border. Russan forces may commit elements of the 1st Tank Army to Northern Kharkiv in the near future.
The Russians will continue efforts to encircle Severodonetsk and Lysychansk at least from the south, possibly by focusing on cutting off the last highway connecting Severodonetsk-Lysychansk with the rest of Ukraine.
Russian forces in Mariupol will likely shift their focus to occupational control of the city as the siege of Azovstal has concluded.
Russian forces are likely preparing for Ukrainian counteroffensives and settling in for protracted operations in southern Ukraine.
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Originally Posted By Banditman:


This was discussed many pages ago. They don't have much running stock. They have fake reactive armor. They are
bleeding out.
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


The important questions are 1) are they really unsustainable? and 2) are Ukraine losses low enough to continue this to the point of winning?

Russia losing 1000 tanks isn't unsustainable if they have 100,000 tanks. I have no idea how much stuff russia has and they see their own troops as consumables/disposables.


This was discussed many pages ago. They don't have much running stock. They have fake reactive armor. They are
bleeding out.



Of the “total” number of Russian tanks in existence:

- many are committed to defending the RA’s borders,

- many do not run. At all.

- many are in the Far East; they might be sending some of these by rail.  Plus:

- sanctions prevent them from making new tanks

- many tank units have “ghost tankers” - people who are no longer in the Rus military, but Russian officers keep the names on the payroll and pocket the monthly salary.

Russian losses are not sustainable.

Ukrainian loses are replaced by the EU and US.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 7:26:14 PM EDT
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I think the WH is grateful for Denmark to be the middle man on the harpoons.  That way there was no direct involvement by the U.S.A.

So what the harpoons are from Denmark's current inventory, and will be replace by U.S.A. inventory?  Left pocket, right pocket.

This administration has no guts. Anytime there is an inkling of guts from Biden, the WH press office says he misspoke.
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That's not what it means in Russia AT ALL.
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That's weird. They sound kinda ...nazi-ish


One of the russian talking heads explained that being nazi means being against russia. If you are against russia, you are a nazi.

Russia's pretty much using the Antifa definition of "Nazi."


NAZI is a Western term for National Socialist Germans in WWII.   The Soviets called them fascists.  It doesn’t mean the same thing to them.  All their WWII stuff will have Фашист or some version of it.



This is true, they are almost always called fascist there. However, the NEW definition of Nazi is a nationalist (anyone who puts their country first, except Russians of course) but reasonable Russians still don't buy that and do use the terms Nazi and fascist interchangeably....though they usually default to "fascist".

Nah, even that's too narrow of a definition.  "Nazi" just means "someone who isn't 100% down with the Woke agenda."



That's not what it means in Russia AT ALL.

I read what you were saying incorrectly.
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
German Newspaper "BILD":

https://i.imgur.com/i58s7XJ.jpg

The ruling coalition (SPD, Greens and FDP) is blocking Marder IFV deliveries to UA.  

Would have taken 6 weeks to get them ready.





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Well, their ruling coalition is a gaggle of warmed over, East German, soviet licking communist shitbirds, so...

The Krauts are among the most useless members of the EU or NATO.  Congratulations.
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Near Donetsk they found abandoned burned-out Ukrainian military trucks with German license plates

(NOBODY LIKES YOU, RUSSIA)
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US found a contractor's truck from Texas? in Iraq or Afghanistan, don't remember exactly where.  But so what?  Somebody is probably buying used trucks on the private market space and bringing them over.

These would ever be transfers from the German government, because those are not bicycles...
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US found a contractor's truck from Texas? in Iraq or Afghanistan, don't remember exactly where.  But so what?  Somebody is probably buying used trucks on the private market space and bringing them over.

These would ever be transfers from the German government, because those are not bicycles...


ISIS in Syria or Iraq.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/12/plumbing5.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1236&h=820&crop=1


It was actually not ISIS but a junior-junior varsity group.  The guy who owned the plumbing truck sued and got a settlement from AutoNation for not removing the vinyl when he sold it to them, and it ended up in Turkey before making it into Syrian rebel hands.

More:  https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-01-09/plumber-whose-decaled-truck-went-to-syria-settles-lawsuit
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I voted for Perot. What I remember was he seemed genuinely concerned about the future of our country with jobs going off-shore, NAFTA, etc. And being a recent vet. of DS#1 I was pissed at Bush with the way the war ended. All that build up, the war, the bombing, beating the shit out of Saddam and poof, "It's all over boys" and Saddam gets off the hook. I'm sorry that Clinton won, he was a fucking disaster for out country (China) but Perot played a good game.
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Ross Perot had traction because of
a) The first Savings and Loan debacle in real estate. And the follow on H.W. Bush buddy bailout.
b) The taxes (read my lips) that got hiked. *Except for billionaires
c) DoD Crony Capitalism contracts
d) The debates that had both Perot and Clinton looking pretty good  

It isn't just that Perot got a bunch of votes. Perot got a bunch of votes because Daddy Bush was an asshole.

I voted for Perot. What I remember was he seemed genuinely concerned about the future of our country with jobs going off-shore, NAFTA, etc. And being a recent vet. of DS#1 I was pissed at Bush with the way the war ended. All that build up, the war, the bombing, beating the shit out of Saddam and poof, "It's all over boys" and Saddam gets off the hook. I'm sorry that Clinton won, he was a fucking disaster for out country (China) but Perot played a good game.

Ditto except the vet part. I was young and naive.
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Can you post the picture via another an imagehoster please?  

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Nah, it’s video and not very good video.  Just a Russian propagandist saying “Look, German license plates, proof that Ukrainians can’t even commute to the battlefield without the West’s help!”

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Originally Posted By Prime:

Nah, it's video and not very good video.  Just a Russian propagandist saying "Look, German license plates, proof that Ukrainians can't even commute to the battlefield without the West's help!"

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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:


Can you post the picture via another an imagehoster please?  


Nah, it's video and not very good video.  Just a Russian propagandist saying "Look, German license plates, proof that Ukrainians can't even commute to the battlefield without the West's help!"


Its a diesel Nissan extra cab pickup with a rollbar.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 8:00:46 PM EDT
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https://t.co/kxRcUuWFXk
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


Elon musk said what is great about chinese workers is that they work hard and don't feel that they are entitled to anything. He didn't say he was contrasting that to american workers, but that's what it sounded like.
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I have been to china, and worked in factories where everyone who worked there, engineers, management, and line all lived there too.
Line folks wore pickle suits and lived in barracks. Mgt and eng got to wear real clothes, and had dorm rooms.
One engineer who worked there had not seen her family or husband in 3 months. Her husband worked at a different factory, and her family lived in a different city.
I wonder what his opinion of that is, and does he think that shit would fly here?
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This one got a “oh damn” outta me.
Good soundtrack, too.

https://t.me/spravdi/8971

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Good lord that's funny. I wonder how many angry phone calls that number has received.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 8:09:21 PM EDT
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It seems to me, Russian leadership cares far more their equipment than their citizens.  Their citizens only care about immediate family losses.   No one in Russia has the chutzpah or care to to go to bat for their own people’s lives or wellbeing.
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They have battered woman syndrome, combined with fetal alcohol syndrome.
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

I have been to china, and worked in factories where everyone who worked there, engineers, management, and line all lived there too.
Line folks wore pickle suits and lived in barracks. Mgt and eng got to wear real clothes, and had dorm rooms.
One engineer who worked there had not seen her family or husband in 3 months. Her husband worked at a different factory, and her family lived in a different city.
I wonder what his opinion of that is, and does he think that shit would fly here?
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
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Elon musk said what is great about chinese workers is that they work hard and don't feel that they are entitled to anything. He didn't say he was contrasting that to american workers, but that's what it sounded like.

I have been to china, and worked in factories where everyone who worked there, engineers, management, and line all lived there too.
Line folks wore pickle suits and lived in barracks. Mgt and eng got to wear real clothes, and had dorm rooms.
One engineer who worked there had not seen her family or husband in 3 months. Her husband worked at a different factory, and her family lived in a different city.
I wonder what his opinion of that is, and does he think that shit would fly here?


when I hear Elon talk about china, I hear the word Potemkin a lot.
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