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Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:41:24 AM EDT
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I would not be the least bit surprised if it was 10k and that still constitutes an ass whupping for the Russians.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:41:24 AM EDT
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Ukrainian soldiers dig trenches, brace for Russian assault

Ukrainian soldiers dig trenches, brace for Russian assault • FRANCE 24 English
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:41:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Samal:
just based on that picture and assuming they have let's say 10-12 of these cemeteries in the county now (the funeral procession looked local) - I would estimate more like 10K+ KIA on UA side :(
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Originally Posted By Samal:
Originally Posted By realwar:


Lat I heard it was just over 4,500 KIA. Compared to Russians at 20-40,000.
just based on that picture and assuming they have let's say 10-12 of these cemeteries in the county now (the funeral procession looked local) - I would estimate more like 10K+ KIA on UA side :(


Plenty of civilians have been killed as well as soldiers. I think you are missing the civilian dead.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:41:57 AM EDT
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Prepare yourselves

This is going to be a long, horrifically bloody war which very well may end up in a multi-year, 4th gen replay of Afghanistan for the Ruskies.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:44:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wulfmann:


Darn, if we had adopted this approach and bombed German cities in WWII and killed a couple million civilians and hundreds of thousands of their children they would have certainly surrendered by 1943.

Oh wait, no hmmm. ugh delete delete delete pay no attention to my post

Sure let's stiffen the Russian people's resolve to insist their corrupt demonic leaders that killing every Ukrainian is the only solution even if nuking the world is required.

No nation has ever buckled under killing innocents. It only stiffens their resolve as in those who refuse to learn from history are doomed t repeat it
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech:

Explain why Russians should sit safely in their cities with no fear, eating warm delicious food and smirking? Perhaps if their families were subjected to the same conditions and danger, then their support of this war would change. If not, oh well.



Darn, if we had adopted this approach and bombed German cities in WWII and killed a couple million civilians and hundreds of thousands of their children they would have certainly surrendered by 1943.

Oh wait, no hmmm. ugh delete delete delete pay no attention to my post

Sure let's stiffen the Russian people's resolve to insist their corrupt demonic leaders that killing every Ukrainian is the only solution even if nuking the world is required.

No nation has ever buckled under killing innocents. It only stiffens their resolve as in those who refuse to learn from history are doomed t repeat it

To be fair, this is a large part of what brought WW2 to an end.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:44:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Samal:

Shit.  that brand new cemetery section alone has 600-800 fresh graves already!  and this is just one local cemetery in the big country...I hate to say it, but that looks like more than declared 3.5K KIA from UA side :(
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Originally Posted By Samal:
Originally Posted By realwar:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/08/56819765-0-image-a-1_1650438406929.jpg

Alla Dimova, mother of Ukranian army officer Vyacheslav Vyacheslavovych Dimov, who was killed on April 16 in battle in Vasylivka district of Zaporizhzhia region, cries as she covers his face during his funeral held in the town of Marhanets, in Zaporizhzhia region, Ukraine April 19, 2022

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/08/56821135-10734507-image-a-33_1650441497353.jpg

Shit.  that brand new cemetery section alone has 600-800 fresh graves already!  and this is just one local cemetery in the big country...I hate to say it, but that looks like more than declared 3.5K KIA from UA side :(

Are those all military?
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:44:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Banditman:


Plenty of civilians have been killed as well as soldiers. I think you are missing the civilian dead.
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This is the rural Zaporizhe region - not many civilians casualties have been reported there I think.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:45:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Samal:
just based on that picture and assuming they have let's say 10-12 of these cemeteries in the county now (the funeral procession looked local) - I would estimate more like 10K+ KIA on UA side :(
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Is it clear that that is a military only cemetery? The civilian losses are likely high and will be uncounted for along time.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:46:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Samal:

I understand this and understand the need for misinformation and the power of the infowar, but if UA has a similar rate of losses as RF, it doesn't look good in the long term.
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Ultimately it’s a test of wills but the raw math is Russia is a bigger nation. China state news put out an article yesterday blaming the USA for opportunism for prolonging Ukrainian suffering from the inevitable in order to expand control and influence over Europe. I’m sure they’re looking thru Taiwan invasion eyes.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:47:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dracster:

Are those all military?
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I don't know, but it looks like a freshly cleared out section with neat rows and uniform spacing and crosses... looks military to me
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:51:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By anono:


I think you're mixing up international TDF and National numbers. The National Forces estimated 2 million UA citizen volunteers in February. That 78k number is the number of international volunteers that showed up. (I think, obviously real, verified numbers are hard to come by).

UA refugees estimated around 10million people. That's 10million from a relatively small portion of UA, in a country that's only about 43 million to begin with. Losing 1/4 of the population, which means probably at least 95% of the population in battle locations, even if they are women and children, is still a victory for Putin. That's a 1/4 less resources that need to be involved in managing or even disposing of them. And if UA doesn't have the supplies for any of the volunteers, then who cares what their resolve is? It's a positive for Putin.

I agree it has been a net negative or at least neutral on the international side of things, but even before any "war crimes" rhetoric went into this the West was already well committed to supplying UA with a ton of stuff. The war crimes theme has more or less been a mostly corporate thing, not a country/military/sanctions thing other than virtue signaling.

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I think you have a couple of things dead wrong here. First, the shelling of civilians has caused far more civilians to take up arms than surrender. It's really not even close. In the Kyiv area alone, the Territorial Defense force had been planned to be around 6500 personnel. The dude in charge of equipping and training them said they had 12x that many show up to volunteer, meaning 78,000 people. That's happening all over the country. So, while there are several million *displaced* Ukranians, most of them are still in the country and a sizeable percentage of them would be in the fight if there was equipment and training to give them. I'm not sure there's enough spare rifles, body armor, helmets, ammo, and other stuff to even make a dent in equipping as many people as actually want to fight. It's both a good position to be in and a bad position to be in.

The international reaction has certainly solidified around a decidedly anti-war-crimes approach. This has been a decidedly net negative for the stupid Russians both tactically and strategically.


I think you're mixing up international TDF and National numbers. The National Forces estimated 2 million UA citizen volunteers in February. That 78k number is the number of international volunteers that showed up. (I think, obviously real, verified numbers are hard to come by).

UA refugees estimated around 10million people. That's 10million from a relatively small portion of UA, in a country that's only about 43 million to begin with. Losing 1/4 of the population, which means probably at least 95% of the population in battle locations, even if they are women and children, is still a victory for Putin. That's a 1/4 less resources that need to be involved in managing or even disposing of them. And if UA doesn't have the supplies for any of the volunteers, then who cares what their resolve is? It's a positive for Putin.

I agree it has been a net negative or at least neutral on the international side of things, but even before any "war crimes" rhetoric went into this the West was already well committed to supplying UA with a ton of stuff. The war crimes theme has more or less been a mostly corporate thing, not a country/military/sanctions thing other than virtue signaling.



All those women and children leaving Ukraine for the West is hardly a victory for Putin. One of the goals of this war is to force Ukraine back into his neo-Tsarist Empire for, amongst other reasons, to arrest Russia’s demographic decline. All those ‘breedable and submissive’ women and kids are a resource he needs. If Russia wins they ain’t coming back, unless he can terrorize Joetard and the EU into implementing “Operation Keelhaul II: The Electric Boogaloo “
And send them back to him.

Not to mention the Ukrainian refugees are a net plus for his enemies, such as Poland and the Baltics.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:52:01 AM EDT
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Currently massive battles occuring and both sides arent wanting a lot of social media posting saying whats happening to comprmose posisions. Very fluid right now with no "clear/definate" answers or results from ongoing fighting. Expect images to come out in following days of todays fighting. Nothing instant and Im sure UA forces (and depending on discipline the RU forces) are on media lockdown/blackout.
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NTC is incorporating social media into its rotations. Supposedly this current rotation for 2/1st Cav Div has OPFOR speaking Russian. I laughed when I read JRTC is trying to focus on cold weather training to mimic conditions for North Korea. Louisiana? I about melted in July during one of my rotations there. On the good side an actual arctic one is being set up in Alaska.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:52:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Samal:

Shit.  that brand new cemetery section alone has 600-800 fresh graves already!  and this is just one local cemetery in the big country...I hate to say it, but that looks like more than declared 3.5K KIA from UA side :(
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Originally Posted By Samal:
Originally Posted By realwar:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/08/56819765-0-image-a-1_1650438406929.jpg

Alla Dimova, mother of Ukranian army officer Vyacheslav Vyacheslavovych Dimov, who was killed on April 16 in battle in Vasylivka district of Zaporizhzhia region, cries as she covers his face during his funeral held in the town of Marhanets, in Zaporizhzhia region, Ukraine April 19, 2022

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/08/56821135-10734507-image-a-33_1650441497353.jpg

Shit.  that brand new cemetery section alone has 600-800 fresh graves already!  and this is just one local cemetery in the big country...I hate to say it, but that looks like more than declared 3.5K KIA from UA side :(


There is grass growing against the hill in the back. That has been cleared for a few years. Urkarine has been fighting in Donbas since 2014.
Link Posted: 4/20/2022 10:57:10 AM EDT
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I just got this info from a good source. I can't post who sent it to me and I don't have the photos mentioned.



April 18 - Day 54 - Official Lies, Maybe gloves off in the East,  Switchblades and Missing Crewmen


The image of the gentleman with the bread is Jacek Polewski, a cook from Poznan who went to Ukraine and who is baking for the people in Bucha.

The video is of Ukrainian Marines in a prisoner of war detention center. It is pretty clear the Ukrainian government two days ago was lying when an official said “about 700” Ukrainian service personnel are POWs. There are now too many videos of purported Marines in detention, to assume it's just RF propaganda.

According to RF state media more than 1,400 Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) service personnel fighting in Mariupol laid down their arms. Even if this is an exaggeration, based on the size of the force that probably surrendered, it seems very likely that the official Ukrainian government estimate of UAF POWs was much lower than the reality. Fibbing about POWs in a war is a bad idea and given public trust in the military, in Ukraine it's an even worse idea. Logically, this will come back and bite the Zelensky administration politically. Hard evidence of a ground defeat of UAF forces cannot be wished away with government spin, and the Ukrainians will not be happy that service member presence in enemy custody is being denied by the government.

Mind you, I haven't seen hard evidence of 1,000+ UAF POWs in one place. But I expect sooner or later we will.

In Mariupol itself, a hard core of Marine and Azov fighters continued to hold out in the Azov steel works. Ukrainian social media reports widely speculated the RF would bring in Tu-22 strategic bombers to drop bombs weighing a ton or more on the factory, to try and level it. Also, according to those reports, some 2,500 UAF fighters are still holding out, and besides them close to a thousand civilians are on the factory premises - or, much more likely, in tunnels and cellars under them - as well.

Over the weekend the RF sent another message to the Mariupol defenders that they surrender, as before it was rejected.

Donbass - It may not be the big offensive, but they’re shooing a whole lot more

The weekend saw exchanges of fire roughly double at the various locations in this sector the two sides are in contact. According to both the Army General Staff (AGS) and Luhansk area defense head Haidai, the hottest two spots were Popasna, to the south of Severodetsk and Kremenna/Kreminna, to the north of Severodonetsk. The AGS said defenses at both locations were holding, but Hadai late on Monday afternoon said RF forces had captured Kremenna after more than 24 hours of heavy street fighting. He said that the RF had assembled a large quantity of armored vehicles there, without giving specifics. On Friday, the UAF had put in what now seems to have been a spoiling attack on Kremenna, capturing the village and, apparently, forcing RF forces to fight their way through it.  Again, as of Monday afternoon, Kremenna was owned by the RF.

The UAF faces two big problems in this part of Luhansk region. First, were that armored column in Kremenna to start rolling south at speed, then Severodonetsk and the forces in it could be cut off. Based on JominiAtWar and other sources there could be elements of as many as three UAF brigades caught in that pocket: 79th Assault, 128th Mountain and 57th Motorized. The 79th and the 128th have good fighting reputations, but the more the RF advances south here the more those units are exposed.  

The second potential problem is the RF might will not only pushing south in this sector Kremenna. As a possible counter-measure, according to a military journalist named Kosyantin Mashovets, the UAF captured Sviatohirsk on Sunday, theoretically forming a defensive backstop for UAF units retreating out of Kremenna. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether this is the UAF conducting a careful defense in depth and exacting serious tolls in men and equipment, or if this is the UAF struggling to prevent a disaster.

Sourth of Lysychansk, one of the most eastern UAF positions, 24th Mech Brigade in a unit post claimed it stopped a major attack and destroyed multiple tanks, without offering details. The opposition, they said, were elements of the RF’s 810th(S (Sevastopol) and 155th Naval Infantry Brigades (Vladivostok). Both these formations were badly cut up in fighting around Kyiv in March, so it is not likely their attack against the 24th was in full strength or with the best-trained troops. In any case, this is a hard indication of RF units pulled off the line for rest being thrown back into combat.

The ACS said that on Sunday UAF forces in Donbass did serious execution across the line, claiming 15 tanks, 3 artillery systems, 24 infantry fighting vehicles, 10 trucks, 4 UAVs and two cruise missiles.  ( numbers do not include losses from today’s Kremenna fight, both RF and UAF. )

Kharkiv sector - not at all empty, pretty violent, actually

There was significant fighting out over the weekend and today, outside the geographical Donbass, in the eastern Kharkiv region, as RF and UAF forces continued battles to the south of Izium, in what appears to be a duel for control of the Izium-Kramatorsk highway. Here a UAF unit (not clear to me which one, but possibly 93rd Mech) in fighting on Sunday claimed it devastated an RF column, destroying 18 (!) RF tanks, a not-mentioned quantity of infantry fighting vehicles, and Ka-52 helicopter. Allegedly, the RF opposition here likewise was Marine Infantry. Pic included of an impact area for 93rd Mech artillery fires.

Also, over the weekend the UAF, according to official reports, appears to have moved to widen terrain controlled to the south and east of Kharkiv, capturing the villages Lebyazhe, Bazalievka, Pechenegi and Stary Saltovka, and engaging RF forces in Kutuzovka. The military reporter Mashovets confirmed the UAF had increased its footprint in the Kharkiv-Izium sector. Assuming these two reports are true, then potentially these are signs of a possible UAF push to the east, from the Kharkiv sector, at least theoretically aiming at the flank and even rear of RF forces pushing south from Izium.  I swiped a map to show you the lay of the land in that area: roughly, Dovhenke is where the UAF might go.

Readers of the Saturday report will recall a mention of this possibility. I think it’s worth repeating here: it’s not at all clear the UAF has the force available to make a big push in this area.

South:

Official and local reports described exchanges of artillery fire at numerous locations, and several RF pushes with their traditional armored columns.

According to the Zaporizhia defense command, RF forces operating primarily in the open terrain north of Mykolaiv limited its efforts to shelling towns and villages where it had encountered UAF forces:  Gulyaipole, Novoandrivka, Bilogir'ya, Malyn, Pavlivka, Pavlivka, Priyutne, Kam'yansk, Orikhiv, and Mala Tokmachka. The statement said RF forces threw the kitchen sink at these locations, with strikes by  multiple launch rocket systems, cannon artillery, 120-mm mortars and large-caliber machine guns reported. There were no major attacks and probes were turned, with RF losses including three tanks, four rocket artillery systems, seven infantry fighting vehicles, an unnamed number of trucks and 60 dead, the report claimed. Overall, in the southern sector, this was more RF activity than any day in the past week.

On Sunday Mykolaiv defense command head Vitaly Kim related an unconfirmed report that, in the town of Novo Kakhovka, RF regular forces came into conflict with and subsequently engaged with small arms a DLPR police unit, over ownership of loot. Kim said: “It was one of those times when you just don’t know who to root for.”

Equipment:

- According to a Sunday news report ultimately sourced by the Pentagon the US Switchblade 300 scored its first kill, although where and against what wasn’t mentioned. The statement said the weapon “exceeded expectations”. Since the Switchblade 300 is a kamikaze drone designed to take out individuals and light vehicles, I assume “exceeding expectations” means the UAF figured out a way to use it against an armored vehicle. Well see if that speculation is right. In any case, this is an excellent example of words in Washington not equaling result on the ground. If you listen to the White House and the Pentagon, a huge pipeline of military supplies is pouring into Ukraine. That may be, but, the Switchblades were approved in the second half of March, it’s now the middle of April, and the heavy Switchblades - which are advertised to take out tanks - have yet to be seen. Essentially, it took the Americans nearly a month to put a drone with a grenade-sized explosive charge and some reasonably good optics on it, into action on a Ukrainian battlefield. That’s a pretty long time for a superpower that likes to brag about how great its logistics capacities are.

RF career developments and more on the Moskva:

- Ukrainian media heavily reported over the weekend that Eduard Basurin, head of the DPR, got arrested and “taken away by men in civilian clothes”. This is supposedly because he blabbed about plans to pump poison gas or some other chemical into the Azov steel works to smoke out the defenders and avoid a bloody infantry fight, if the RF has to go in there after them. Also, allegedly, he is in big trouble for shambolic DPR attacks against the UAF, and for losing the town Horlivka. All this this smells like UAF hybrid warfare noise, and there’s no confirmation.

-  What appears to be confirmed, or at least, it’s being widely reported, is that Admiral Igor Osipov, head of the RF Black Sea fleet, got sacked over the weekend. Previous reports had noted he was seen being put into a car, in Sevastopol, by what appeared to civilian officials recently arrived from Moscow. According to the news agencies, he may face charges for his part in the Moskva’s sinking and, less possibly, failure to take necessary steps to save the Moskva’s 540-man crew.

- An information war argument is already boiling on how many men and officers of the Moskva survived, with RF news agencies basically saying nothing but showing images of seamen RF news claims were Moskva survivors, but to independent observers looked very much like naval cadets told to stand in a formation and keep their mouths shut. Image attached.

The RF independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta tracked down the mother of one survivor, Yegor Shkrebet who, according to the article, citing his mother Irina, said that actually more than 200 crew members suffered various injuries when two Ukrainian missiles hit the cruiser, and were being treated in a Sevastopol military hospital. Many were burn victims, and no one seemed to know where the other 340 crew members had got to, the article said.

Finally, according to source I believe, the final image - a handwritten note - is from soldiers in a UAF unit that found itself quartered on an evacuated home. When they departed the left the note apologizing for the mess and damage and leaving a phone number, so that after the war they can pay for what they ate and broke. If you like, contrast this to RF troop behavior in Bucha. I know I did.

April 19 - Day 55 - Firepower, Easter offensive, and RF recruiting


Lots of visuals today. One interesting video, from the Donbass region.

The video is UAF soldiers picking over the remains of a T-72 tank. You can make out something very big shelled it, and since it was in some kind of enclosure with walls, odds are the UAF were using a drone. Notice the giant crater? This is because this time, per the voiceover, the UAF didn’t use hum-drum artillery, but a very big gun, which they call a Pion. It’s a big, ungainly, heavy, Soviet-era howitzer that fires a shell that weighs over 50 kg. Normally tanks move too often for a Pion howitzer to hit them. The fact that the UAF managed this is a testament to their skill with artillery - not just gunnery, but intelligence, target acquisition, and on-the-ground follow-up. I’ve included an image of a Pion firing in training, for those of you who want a look at the system itself.

NOTE: There was a second video that I thought was night firing from what I believed to be the Severodonetsk sector. In fact it was a training video. Thanks to the sharp-eyed reader that spotted it, and video removed.

The UAF sapper with the ammo in the dirt is just doing his job in Irpen’. This would not be noteworthy, except Irpen’ is one of those former farming villages that saw a good deal of upper-end real estate development for professionals wanting to live in green space not too far from the big city. Imagine someone pulling unexploded munitions out of the ground in Reading, Rambouillet or Södertälje - that’s roughly the disconnect most Ukrainians would see in that picture.  

Donbass, a/k/a the Putin Easter Offensive:

Although the US and Britain as of last I read were still on the fence, practically every Ukrainian military source possible today said the Russian Federation has kicked off its big offensive today. If that wasn’t enough no less than the Kremlin’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, along with the long-invisible Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, told Russian state television this is it and the objective to to take full control of all of Ukraine’s Luhansk and Donetsk regions. According to Shoigu, the RF will employ new tactics taking into account combat experience so far.

The biggest attack, as of afternoon on Tuesday, appear to have been towards the remains of the village Kremmena, to the north of Severodonetsk, with another strong push towards UAF defensive positions south of Izium. Beyond that, UAF forces in Rubizhne and Popasna also were hit with attacks. In general the UAF claimed it held except in Kremmena, where some officials (regional level) said it was lost to RF forces, and other officials (national level) arguing no, street fighting is still going on. The Institute for the Study of War put out an excellent general map of the area, attached. I believe the UAF put out the map of the Sloviansk sector, also attached.

Overnight practically all normal targets for regular RF fires against UAF positions and civilian structures in the vicinity - Popasna, Advievka, Rubizhne - saw more intense bombardments than usual. Probably, this was part of Shoigu’s tactical adjustments. The town of Lysychansk was reportedly particularly hard hit. According to mayor Dmytry Komarov, in the east-most sections of the UAF line, the RF strategy is simply to flatten everything and destroy all structures, including with aerial bombs against apartment buildings. Social media images showed the nighttime launches of dozens of 122mm Grad rockets in Lysychansk’s direction. There were no reports of UAF retreats in this area.

Military journalist journalist Ivan Yakovin on Tuesday reported that south of Izium on Monday elements of the elite 106th RF Airborne Division (Tula) was forming into attack columns. Possibly, this was a participant in the attacks south of Izium on Tuesday. As of last writing, it appears the primary UAF units defending in this area are 25th Airborne Brigade and 81st Air Assault Brigade. It’s hard to say how worn down these formations are, but by training and tradition, they are fighting units that would not give ground easily. President Zelensky in a speech today said that the UAF had a “99 percent chance” of stopping the big RF attack.

Oleh Sinehubov, head of the Kharkiv regional defense command, in video comments today also said the big RF attack in Donbass has kicked off, and added that it will likely have trouble, because its west flank is vulnerable, this because Kharkiv region now basically is owned by the UAF. As many observers had pointed out earlier - including this report - for the Putin’s Easter Offensive to succeed its northern wing must be supplied from a railhead in Kupiansk by road through Izium. If Sinehubov’s description of the situation in Kharkiv region is accurate, then two major formations - 92nd and 93rd Mech Brigades - would become available to attack that supply line. The RF alternative would be to commit forces to defend the Kupiansk-Izium road, but of course units committed would be taken away from the main attack.

It remains to be seen how RF theater commander General Dvornikov will deal with loss of control of Kharkiv region, and UAF forces potentially turned loose as a result. According to the Ukrainian Army General Staff (AGS), over the last two days the RF has been shifting heavy S-300 anti-aircraft systems into Kharkiv region (guess they didn’t talk to Sinehubov) and very heavy S-400 anti-aircraft systems into Belgorod Oblast’. The conventional interpretation of this move is the RF intends to back its attacks in northern Donbass with the RF air force, and to prevent the UAF air force from intervening as well.

According to Viktor Andriusiv, the founder of the Ishchi Svoikh information stream for RF survivors of RF soldiers killed, wounded or taken prisoner in Ukraine, heavy rains throughout Donbass have soaked the ground.

South:

This sector reportedly saw only one major attack: an attempt RF “storm” of the town Oleksandrivka, which the UAF turned back killing 28 soldiers and destroying five light armored vehicles or trucks.

Otherwise, it was RF artillery vs. Ukrainian civlian homes and businesses. In the Kryvy Rih sector, according to area defense command Oleskandr Vykup, artillery and rocket artillery fire hit to villages of  Zelenodol’sk, Marynske, and Velika Kostromka. Heavy rockets hit Mykolaiv.

In Mariupol, the RF used air bombs and all manner of firepower to try and blast UAF defenders out of the Azov steel mill, in some cases using three ton air bombs delivered by strategic bombers. A two-hour ceasefire offered by the RF for the factory fighters to surrender came and went with no reported takers. At 6 PM, the “DPR” announced a “final assault” on the factory had begun.

Stuff for the UAF:

South Korea - According to scattered Ukraine news reports, Kyiv has convinced Seoul to consider transferring to Ukraine T-80U tanks and BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles. No doubt this is the same sort of speculation that we have seen with Cyprus and Slovakia - a little country with Russian kit hands their stuff over to the Ukrainians, and then the Americans swoop in with replacement gear, and of course maintenance contracts lasting decades. Also, South Korea is a two months delivery time away from Ukraine, given the RF blockade on Ukrainian seaports, and that’s not calculating for time lost to bureaucracy, which would probably be another two months. South Korean heavy weapons to Ukraine are about as useful as German heavy weapons.

Britain - Announced it would send Ukraine the Stormer High Velocity Missile (HVM) launcher, which is an excellent light armored vehicle armed with the also-excellent Starstreak short-ish range anti-aircraft missiles. How many exactly and when will the get to Ukraine? I trust all reading this are starting to see a pattern to a lot of the arms support Ukraine is getting. If words were anti-tank shells, this war would be over. But anyway I've attached a picture.

Netherlands (!) - The Premier had a phone call with Zelensky, after which the Netherlands government put out a press release stating Holland will send armored vehicles to Ukraine and will discuss ways to help out the Ukrainians with other weapons. Again, if words were bullets…

RF Army:

According to UAF army intelligence and Ukrainian independent news sources, the RF army manpower shortage isn’t improving. These factoids might be indicative of nothing, but it might also be a trend.

- 126th Coast Guard Brigade (Crimea) - 75 percent casualties
- 810th   Separate Marine Infantry Brigade (Crimea) -  158 dead, around 500 injured, 70 missing in action
- 200th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade (Arctic Warfare, Pechenga) - More than 100 soldiers and officers quit rather than go back and fight again  in Ukraine
- 150th Motor Rifle Brigade - 70-80 percent of personnel refused to sign new contracts, quit the service
- Unknown brigade, training in Rostov region - 50 soldiers deserted over the course of a week, after learning their unit would be deployed to Ukraine.

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Its 90% info from the Ukrainian General Staff briefings with some odd details added in, some of which are false. Makes me question the rest of the stuff I can't verify... Overall its a decent recap, but it still makes my eye twitch.
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This. The rest of GD has become unreadable to me for the most part.
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Originally Posted By Billy_Ringo:
Not sure what the Mods and Admin of this site are doing, but the lack of Bots and Shills is refreshing.  A couple of other sites I review have gotten almost impossible to read.  One is a college sports forum and even it has a couple of Russian ringers plying their trade.  

Amazing how much emphasis they place on internet propaganda.  

Again, great job by those in charge here.

Kill Putin's Ego, end the war.


They're here, too, they just don't stick around in this thread. You'll even find some "Z" avatars here.
This. The rest of GD has become unreadable to me for the most part.

I wandered into a couple of those threads and ended up with quite a few more on ignore.
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The Japanese surrendered because the threat of nukes blipping their culture into dust.
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The Japanese surrendered because the threat of nukes blipping their culture into dust.


Kinda.  The Regime had staked its survival on a plan to inflict so many casualties on us it would force us to negotiate an end to the war that would leave them in charge. The bloodbaths on Okinawa and Iwo Jima were part of it. Truman decided not to play their game and make them play his by nuking them. Once the less crazy ones realized we didn’t have to play their game they gave up.
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Besides some ATGM's, what exactly has Germany give to Ukraine that has exhausted their supplies?

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Didn’t they just sell the Greeks the Marder IIs they claimed they couldn’t part with because it would “deplete their defenses”? I also hear they are scrapping other systems they claimed they couldn’t sell because they needed them.

Why in hell are these people in NATO anyway? Not worth the life of a single K9, much less a GI.
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I’ve seen guys with both dolphins and the SW pin….had a MM 1/c who came from Destroyers in my AUXPAC school class. The staff complained about him wearing his SW pin and belt buckle.  He told them “Fuck you, I earned it, I’m wearing it!”
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Had no idea who this guy was until today. What a clown



I still don't know who he is.



From my cursory research he's a big mouth crypto navy weenie who talks on the news, and is now in western Ukraine with an unloaded rifle for photo ops pretending to be in combat.

And I just saw a pic with him wearing a surface warfare pin, dolphins, and a CAR...I suppose it COULD happen, but I have doubts.


I’ve seen guys with both dolphins and the SW pin….had a MM 1/c who came from Destroyers in my AUXPAC school class. The staff complained about him wearing his SW pin and belt buckle.  He told them “Fuck you, I earned it, I’m wearing it!”



Good to know, I still have some doubts about him personally but wasn't sure if it was possible to have both.
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I know this is the war thread, but I haven't read anything about the "devastating" sanctions imposed on Russia and what their economy and common life is like right now over there?  I'd guess that maybe it needs another 1-2 months of marinating to fully destroy their economy but who knows?  I know they were sitting on a ton of gold in preparation for a situation like this
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Well  China is buying oil and paying russia in Yuan, so they're only partially working unless the US has the balls to sanction China and India for skirting the sanctions.
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Shit.  that brand new cemetery section alone has 600-800 fresh graves already!  and this is just one local cemetery in the big country...I hate to say it, but that looks like more than declared 3.5K KIA from UA side :(
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I think it’s a mixed cemetery - civilians and military. Or as a poster above me pointed out that it contains men who have died since 2014.
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Thank you. Everything adds up and helps. Much appreciated.
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Last I heard we have around 50,000 sitting on the bench, if needed, in our city. Nothing to pass out to arm us. Many of us have made other arrangements to defend our homes and families. Russia's best bet is to drop bombs, artillery, and missiles on us. They don't want to come walking in here.


Just send 50 Level III plates to Ukraine via UnitedHelpUkraine.org.  Got a bunch of miscellaneous field gear going out next week. Hopefully it will make it's way to the somebody who needs it.


Thank you. Everything adds up and helps. Much appreciated.



 1100 more from us that got down 2 days ago,sourced,produced and shipped entirely as private donations. The guy who drove them down was in a 40km long queue of trucks at the Polish-Ukrainian border.
 


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Ukrainian's blew themselves up on an anti-personnel mine

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Were they live on the grams when they hit a mine? Watching the Kadyrov tiktokers and the Ukie instahoes battle it out to see who gets the dumbest death on video is peak 2022 war.  That tank shot video is going to be really hard to beat. LOL
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 1100 more from us that got down 2 days ago,sourced,produced and shipped entirely as private donations. The guy who drove them down was in a 40km long queue of trucks at the Polish-Ukrainian border.
 


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And so would the Russians be at the heart of the “Green New Deal”?    Or would it just be 100% some clinical level morons in congress?    Now it seems likely to be a combination of the two.
Cannot just say its the Germans only.   Many politicians and bureaucrats in the US are depositing those plain manila envelopes stuffed with cash and real estate deeds in their Cayman Island bank accounts

There’s long been foreign interference in US domestic energy production policy.   I thought it was largely Saudi and other Arab opec producers paying off congress rats, but who’s paying more lately?    Plus they’re philosophically more aligned with the Russians/soviets.  
I do recall the Russians were exposed funding anti fracking commercials 10-15 years ago.   But nobody cared.  
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Originally Posted By Capta:
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The Germans are displeased with their political leaders shit handling of Ukraine.


It is as if a European nation when pondering the best course of action they only have to ask what Germany is doing then do the exact opposite

It is hard to understand the land of Porsche and Mercedes being so disturbingly incompetent
It's not incompetence.  Their political leadership has been paid massive bribes by the Russians to make sure that they are 100% dependent on their hydrocarbons and they are terrified that the Russians will release the evidence.  So they are slloooooooooooowww rooooollliiinnngggggg everything to try to keep their masters happy.


Precisely.  People are rightfully giving the Germans grief for being greedy SOBs more worried about 4% economic growth than they are genocide, but that’s just a smokescreen.  Reality is that some powerful Germans sold their country down the river in the worst possible sense.
Want action on Ukraine?  Figure out what the German politicians who made those decisions have to hide.



And so would the Russians be at the heart of the “Green New Deal”?    Or would it just be 100% some clinical level morons in congress?    Now it seems likely to be a combination of the two.
Cannot just say its the Germans only.   Many politicians and bureaucrats in the US are depositing those plain manila envelopes stuffed with cash and real estate deeds in their Cayman Island bank accounts

There’s long been foreign interference in US domestic energy production policy.   I thought it was largely Saudi and other Arab opec producers paying off congress rats, but who’s paying more lately?    Plus they’re philosophically more aligned with the Russians/soviets.  
I do recall the Russians were exposed funding anti fracking commercials 10-15 years ago.   But nobody cared.  


Good post.  The domestic and foreign policy decisions made by our political leadership too often contradict our national interests, and there’s little else to explain it other than foreign influence through corruption and compromised elected public servants.  That, or we just elect very marginal people that are too stupid to do anything else.
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Love it when that rotary magazine goes.
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Hey man, nice shot.




Love it when that rotary magazine goes.

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Report from Kharkov region

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsGGijw8slg


Ukrainian military going by rail in a freight car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvOILN4YVXM


Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopter flies somewhere in Ukraine

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Chechen fighter taking guns & ammo from the dead.

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Ukrainian's blew themselves up on an anti-personnel mine

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Chechens are carrying M4's wonder how they got those....thanks Biden.  

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The USAF was formed on the understanding that strategic bombing is nuclear bombing and that’s true. Conventional bombs are not strategic bombing and have not been able to break the national will or war making capacity. A bomber that doesn’t carry nuclear weapons is by definition not a strategic bomber.
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Nuclear/non-nuclear bomb load does not determine whether it's a strategic or tactical mission.  Strategic bombers (hitting warmaking resources) like the B-1 have been re-purposed with pgm's to tactical missions (intervening in a combat action).  It was still designed as, can still function as, and best thought of as a strategic bomber that is flexible enough for certain stand-off tactical uses.  It's "multi-role" in USAF-speak:

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The USAF was formed on the understanding that strategic bombing is nuclear bombing and that’s true. Conventional bombs are not strategic bombing and have not been able to break the national will or war making capacity. A bomber that doesn’t carry nuclear weapons is by definition not a strategic bomber.


Looks like Jack67 is talking about aircraft capability vs Ryan_Scott using a mission specific definition of strategic.
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I just got this info from a good source. I can't post who sent it to me and I don't have the photos mentioned.



April 18 - Day 54 - Official Lies, Maybe gloves off in the East,  Switchblades and Missing Crewmenback killing 28 soldiers and destroying five light armored vehicles or

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Thanks for sharing this, both the good and bad.  From it I got some specific things and people to pray for as things continue.
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Its 90% info from the Ukrainian General Staff briefings with some odd details added in, some of which are false. Makes me question the rest of the stuff I can't verify... Overall its a decent recap, but it still makes my eye twitch.
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
I just got this info from a good source. I can't post who sent it to me and I don't have the photos mentioned.



April 18 - Day 54 - Official Lies, Maybe gloves off in the East,  Switchblades and Missing Crewmen


The image of the gentleman with the bread is Jacek Polewski, a cook from Poznan who went to Ukraine and who is baking for the people in Bucha.

The video is of Ukrainian Marines in a prisoner of war detention center. It is pretty clear the Ukrainian government two days ago was lying when an official said "about 700" Ukrainian service personnel are POWs. There are now too many videos of purported Marines in detention, to assume it's just RF propaganda.

According to RF state media more than 1,400 Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) service personnel fighting in Mariupol laid down their arms. Even if this is an exaggeration, based on the size of the force that probably surrendered, it seems very likely that the official Ukrainian government estimate of UAF POWs was much lower than the reality. Fibbing about POWs in a war is a bad idea and given public trust in the military, in Ukraine it's an even worse idea. Logically, this will come back and bite the Zelensky administration politically. Hard evidence of a ground defeat of UAF forces cannot be wished away with government spin, and the Ukrainians will not be happy that service member presence in enemy custody is being denied by the government.

Mind you, I haven't seen hard evidence of 1,000+ UAF POWs in one place. But I expect sooner or later we will.

In Mariupol itself, a hard core of Marine and Azov fighters continued to hold out in the Azov steel works. Ukrainian social media reports widely speculated the RF would bring in Tu-22 strategic bombers to drop bombs weighing a ton or more on the factory, to try and level it. Also, according to those reports, some 2,500 UAF fighters are still holding out, and besides them close to a thousand civilians are on the factory premises - or, much more likely, in tunnels and cellars under them - as well.

Over the weekend the RF sent another message to the Mariupol defenders that they surrender, as before it was rejected.

Donbass - It may not be the big offensive, but they're shooing a whole lot more

The weekend saw exchanges of fire roughly double at the various locations in this sector the two sides are in contact. According to both the Army General Staff (AGS) and Luhansk area defense head Haidai, the hottest two spots were Popasna, to the south of Severodetsk and Kremenna/Kreminna, to the north of Severodonetsk. The AGS said defenses at both locations were holding, but Hadai late on Monday afternoon said RF forces had captured Kremenna after more than 24 hours of heavy street fighting. He said that the RF had assembled a large quantity of armored vehicles there, without giving specifics. On Friday, the UAF had put in what now seems to have been a spoiling attack on Kremenna, capturing the village and, apparently, forcing RF forces to fight their way through it.  Again, as of Monday afternoon, Kremenna was owned by the RF.

The UAF faces two big problems in this part of Luhansk region. First, were that armored column in Kremenna to start rolling south at speed, then Severodonetsk and the forces in it could be cut off. Based on JominiAtWar and other sources there could be elements of as many as three UAF brigades caught in that pocket: 79th Assault, 128th Mountain and 57th Motorized. The 79th and the 128th have good fighting reputations, but the more the RF advances south here the more those units are exposed.  

The second potential problem is the RF might will not only pushing south in this sector Kremenna. As a possible counter-measure, according to a military journalist named Kosyantin Mashovets, the UAF captured Sviatohirsk on Sunday, theoretically forming a defensive backstop for UAF units retreating out of Kremenna. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether this is the UAF conducting a careful defense in depth and exacting serious tolls in men and equipment, or if this is the UAF struggling to prevent a disaster.

Sourth of Lysychansk, one of the most eastern UAF positions, 24th Mech Brigade in a unit post claimed it stopped a major attack and destroyed multiple tanks, without offering details. The opposition, they said, were elements of the RF's 810th(S (Sevastopol) and 155th Naval Infantry Brigades (Vladivostok). Both these formations were badly cut up in fighting around Kyiv in March, so it is not likely their attack against the 24th was in full strength or with the best-trained troops. In any case, this is a hard indication of RF units pulled off the line for rest being thrown back into combat.

The ACS said that on Sunday UAF forces in Donbass did serious execution across the line, claiming 15 tanks, 3 artillery systems, 24 infantry fighting vehicles, 10 trucks, 4 UAVs and two cruise missiles.  ( numbers do not include losses from today's Kremenna fight, both RF and UAF. )

Kharkiv sector - not at all empty, pretty violent, actually

There was significant fighting out over the weekend and today, outside the geographical Donbass, in the eastern Kharkiv region, as RF and UAF forces continued battles to the south of Izium, in what appears to be a duel for control of the Izium-Kramatorsk highway. Here a UAF unit (not clear to me which one, but possibly 93rd Mech) in fighting on Sunday claimed it devastated an RF column, destroying 18 (!) RF tanks, a not-mentioned quantity of infantry fighting vehicles, and Ka-52 helicopter. Allegedly, the RF opposition here likewise was Marine Infantry. Pic included of an impact area for 93rd Mech artillery fires.

Also, over the weekend the UAF, according to official reports, appears to have moved to widen terrain controlled to the south and east of Kharkiv, capturing the villages Lebyazhe, Bazalievka, Pechenegi and Stary Saltovka, and engaging RF forces in Kutuzovka. The military reporter Mashovets confirmed the UAF had increased its footprint in the Kharkiv-Izium sector. Assuming these two reports are true, then potentially these are signs of a possible UAF push to the east, from the Kharkiv sector, at least theoretically aiming at the flank and even rear of RF forces pushing south from Izium.  I swiped a map to show you the lay of the land in that area: roughly, Dovhenke is where the UAF might go.

Readers of the Saturday report will recall a mention of this possibility. I think it's worth repeating here: it's not at all clear the UAF has the force available to make a big push in this area.

South:

Official and local reports described exchanges of artillery fire at numerous locations, and several RF pushes with their traditional armored columns.

According to the Zaporizhia defense command, RF forces operating primarily in the open terrain north of Mykolaiv limited its efforts to shelling towns and villages where it had encountered UAF forces:  Gulyaipole, Novoandrivka, Bilogir'ya, Malyn, Pavlivka, Pavlivka, Priyutne, Kam'yansk, Orikhiv, and Mala Tokmachka. The statement said RF forces threw the kitchen sink at these locations, with strikes by  multiple launch rocket systems, cannon artillery, 120-mm mortars and large-caliber machine guns reported. There were no major attacks and probes were turned, with RF losses including three tanks, four rocket artillery systems, seven infantry fighting vehicles, an unnamed number of trucks and 60 dead, the report claimed. Overall, in the southern sector, this was more RF activity than any day in the past week.

On Sunday Mykolaiv defense command head Vitaly Kim related an unconfirmed report that, in the town of Novo Kakhovka, RF regular forces came into conflict with and subsequently engaged with small arms a DLPR police unit, over ownership of loot. Kim said: "It was one of those times when you just don't know who to root for."

Equipment:

- According to a Sunday news report ultimately sourced by the Pentagon the US Switchblade 300 scored its first kill, although where and against what wasn't mentioned. The statement said the weapon "exceeded expectations". Since the Switchblade 300 is a kamikaze drone designed to take out individuals and light vehicles, I assume "exceeding expectations" means the UAF figured out a way to use it against an armored vehicle. Well see if that speculation is right. In any case, this is an excellent example of words in Washington not equaling result on the ground. If you listen to the White House and the Pentagon, a huge pipeline of military supplies is pouring into Ukraine. That may be, but, the Switchblades were approved in the second half of March, it's now the middle of April, and the heavy Switchblades - which are advertised to take out tanks - have yet to be seen. Essentially, it took the Americans nearly a month to put a drone with a grenade-sized explosive charge and some reasonably good optics on it, into action on a Ukrainian battlefield. That's a pretty long time for a superpower that likes to brag about how great its logistics capacities are.

RF career developments and more on the Moskva:

- Ukrainian media heavily reported over the weekend that Eduard Basurin, head of the DPR, got arrested and "taken away by men in civilian clothes". This is supposedly because he blabbed about plans to pump poison gas or some other chemical into the Azov steel works to smoke out the defenders and avoid a bloody infantry fight, if the RF has to go in there after them. Also, allegedly, he is in big trouble for shambolic DPR attacks against the UAF, and for losing the town Horlivka. All this this smells like UAF hybrid warfare noise, and there's no confirmation.

-  What appears to be confirmed, or at least, it's being widely reported, is that Admiral Igor Osipov, head of the RF Black Sea fleet, got sacked over the weekend. Previous reports had noted he was seen being put into a car, in Sevastopol, by what appeared to civilian officials recently arrived from Moscow. According to the news agencies, he may face charges for his part in the Moskva's sinking and, less possibly, failure to take necessary steps to save the Moskva's 540-man crew.

- An information war argument is already boiling on how many men and officers of the Moskva survived, with RF news agencies basically saying nothing but showing images of seamen RF news claims were Moskva survivors, but to independent observers looked very much like naval cadets told to stand in a formation and keep their mouths shut. Image attached.

The RF independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta tracked down the mother of one survivor, Yegor Shkrebet who, according to the article, citing his mother Irina, said that actually more than 200 crew members suffered various injuries when two Ukrainian missiles hit the cruiser, and were being treated in a Sevastopol military hospital. Many were burn victims, and no one seemed to know where the other 340 crew members had got to, the article said.

Finally, according to source I believe, the final image - a handwritten note - is from soldiers in a UAF unit that found itself quartered on an evacuated home. When they departed the left the note apologizing for the mess and damage and leaving a phone number, so that after the war they can pay for what they ate and broke. If you like, contrast this to RF troop behavior in Bucha. I know I did.

April 19 - Day 55 - Firepower, Easter offensive, and RF recruiting


Lots of visuals today. One interesting video, from the Donbass region.

The video is UAF soldiers picking over the remains of a T-72 tank. You can make out something very big shelled it, and since it was in some kind of enclosure with walls, odds are the UAF were using a drone. Notice the giant crater? This is because this time, per the voiceover, the UAF didn't use hum-drum artillery, but a very big gun, which they call a Pion. It's a big, ungainly, heavy, Soviet-era howitzer that fires a shell that weighs over 50 kg. Normally tanks move too often for a Pion howitzer to hit them. The fact that the UAF managed this is a testament to their skill with artillery - not just gunnery, but intelligence, target acquisition, and on-the-ground follow-up. I've included an image of a Pion firing in training, for those of you who want a look at the system itself.

NOTE: There was a second video that I thought was night firing from what I believed to be the Severodonetsk sector. In fact it was a training video. Thanks to the sharp-eyed reader that spotted it, and video removed.

The UAF sapper with the ammo in the dirt is just doing his job in Irpen'. This would not be noteworthy, except Irpen' is one of those former farming villages that saw a good deal of upper-end real estate development for professionals wanting to live in green space not too far from the big city. Imagine someone pulling unexploded munitions out of the ground in Reading, Rambouillet or Sdertlje - that's roughly the disconnect most Ukrainians would see in that picture.  

Donbass, a/k/a the Putin Easter Offensive:

Although the US and Britain as of last I read were still on the fence, practically every Ukrainian military source possible today said the Russian Federation has kicked off its big offensive today. If that wasn't enough no less than the Kremlin's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, along with the long-invisible Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, told Russian state television this is it and the objective to to take full control of all of Ukraine's Luhansk and Donetsk regions. According to Shoigu, the RF will employ new tactics taking into account combat experience so far.

The biggest attack, as of afternoon on Tuesday, appear to have been towards the remains of the village Kremmena, to the north of Severodonetsk, with another strong push towards UAF defensive positions south of Izium. Beyond that, UAF forces in Rubizhne and Popasna also were hit with attacks. In general the UAF claimed it held except in Kremmena, where some officials (regional level) said it was lost to RF forces, and other officials (national level) arguing no, street fighting is still going on. The Institute for the Study of War put out an excellent general map of the area, attached. I believe the UAF put out the map of the Sloviansk sector, also attached.

Overnight practically all normal targets for regular RF fires against UAF positions and civilian structures in the vicinity - Popasna, Advievka, Rubizhne - saw more intense bombardments than usual. Probably, this was part of Shoigu's tactical adjustments. The town of Lysychansk was reportedly particularly hard hit. According to mayor Dmytry Komarov, in the east-most sections of the UAF line, the RF strategy is simply to flatten everything and destroy all structures, including with aerial bombs against apartment buildings. Social media images showed the nighttime launches of dozens of 122mm Grad rockets in Lysychansk's direction. There were no reports of UAF retreats in this area.

Military journalist journalist Ivan Yakovin on Tuesday reported that south of Izium on Monday elements of the elite 106th RF Airborne Division (Tula) was forming into attack columns. Possibly, this was a participant in the attacks south of Izium on Tuesday. As of last writing, it appears the primary UAF units defending in this area are 25th Airborne Brigade and 81st Air Assault Brigade. It's hard to say how worn down these formations are, but by training and tradition, they are fighting units that would not give ground easily. President Zelensky in a speech today said that the UAF had a "99 percent chance" of stopping the big RF attack.

Oleh Sinehubov, head of the Kharkiv regional defense command, in video comments today also said the big RF attack in Donbass has kicked off, and added that it will likely have trouble, because its west flank is vulnerable, this because Kharkiv region now basically is owned by the UAF. As many observers had pointed out earlier - including this report - for the Putin's Easter Offensive to succeed its northern wing must be supplied from a railhead in Kupiansk by road through Izium. If Sinehubov's description of the situation in Kharkiv region is accurate, then two major formations - 92nd and 93rd Mech Brigades - would become available to attack that supply line. The RF alternative would be to commit forces to defend the Kupiansk-Izium road, but of course units committed would be taken away from the main attack.

It remains to be seen how RF theater commander General Dvornikov will deal with loss of control of Kharkiv region, and UAF forces potentially turned loose as a result. According to the Ukrainian Army General Staff (AGS), over the last two days the RF has been shifting heavy S-300 anti-aircraft systems into Kharkiv region (guess they didn't talk to Sinehubov) and very heavy S-400 anti-aircraft systems into Belgorod Oblast'. The conventional interpretation of this move is the RF intends to back its attacks in northern Donbass with the RF air force, and to prevent the UAF air force from intervening as well.

According to Viktor Andriusiv, the founder of the Ishchi Svoikh information stream for RF survivors of RF soldiers killed, wounded or taken prisoner in Ukraine, heavy rains throughout Donbass have soaked the ground.

South:

This sector reportedly saw only one major attack: an attempt RF "storm" of the town Oleksandrivka, which the UAF turned back killing 28 soldiers and destroying five light armored vehicles or trucks.

Otherwise, it was RF artillery vs. Ukrainian civlian homes and businesses. In the Kryvy Rih sector, according to area defense command Oleskandr Vykup, artillery and rocket artillery fire hit to villages of  Zelenodol'sk, Marynske, and Velika Kostromka. Heavy rockets hit Mykolaiv.

In Mariupol, the RF used air bombs and all manner of firepower to try and blast UAF defenders out of the Azov steel mill, in some cases using three ton air bombs delivered by strategic bombers. A two-hour ceasefire offered by the RF for the factory fighters to surrender came and went with no reported takers. At 6 PM, the "DPR" announced a "final assault" on the factory had begun.

Stuff for the UAF:

South Korea - According to scattered Ukraine news reports, Kyiv has convinced Seoul to consider transferring to Ukraine T-80U tanks and BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles. No doubt this is the same sort of speculation that we have seen with Cyprus and Slovakia - a little country with Russian kit hands their stuff over to the Ukrainians, and then the Americans swoop in with replacement gear, and of course maintenance contracts lasting decades. Also, South Korea is a two months delivery time away from Ukraine, given the RF blockade on Ukrainian seaports, and that's not calculating for time lost to bureaucracy, which would probably be another two months. South Korean heavy weapons to Ukraine are about as useful as German heavy weapons.

Britain - Announced it would send Ukraine the Stormer High Velocity Missile (HVM) launcher, which is an excellent light armored vehicle armed with the also-excellent Starstreak short-ish range anti-aircraft missiles. How many exactly and when will the get to Ukraine? I trust all reading this are starting to see a pattern to a lot of the arms support Ukraine is getting. If words were anti-tank shells, this war would be over. But anyway I've attached a picture.

Netherlands (!) - The Premier had a phone call with Zelensky, after which the Netherlands government put out a press release stating Holland will send armored vehicles to Ukraine and will discuss ways to help out the Ukrainians with other weapons. Again, if words were bullets

RF Army:

According to UAF army intelligence and Ukrainian independent news sources, the RF army manpower shortage isn't improving. These factoids might be indicative of nothing, but it might also be a trend.

- 126th Coast Guard Brigade (Crimea) - 75 percent casualties
- 810th   Separate Marine Infantry Brigade (Crimea) -  158 dead, around 500 injured, 70 missing in action
- 200th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade (Arctic Warfare, Pechenga) - More than 100 soldiers and officers quit rather than go back and fight again  in Ukraine
- 150th Motor Rifle Brigade - 70-80 percent of personnel refused to sign new contracts, quit the service
- Unknown brigade, training in Rostov region - 50 soldiers deserted over the course of a week, after learning their unit would be deployed to Ukraine.



Its 90% info from the Ukrainian General Staff briefings with some odd details added in, some of which are false. Makes me question the rest of the stuff I can't verify... Overall its a decent recap, but it still makes my eye twitch.

The POW thing is a good indicator of why talking numbers can be counter-productive. There's a big difference between "we've been notified of 700 prisoners" and "the enemy claims to have taken 1200 prisoners".
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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT:


Looks like Jack67 is talking about aircraft capability vs Ryan_Scott using a mission specific definition of strategic.
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Nuclear/non-nuclear bomb load does not determine whether it's a strategic or tactical mission.  Strategic bombers (hitting warmaking resources) like the B-1 have been re-purposed with pgm's to tactical missions (intervening in a combat action).  It was still designed as, can still function as, and best thought of as a strategic bomber that is flexible enough for certain stand-off tactical uses.  It's "multi-role" in USAF-speak:

Da Bone


The USAF was formed on the understanding that strategic bombing is nuclear bombing and that’s true. Conventional bombs are not strategic bombing and have not been able to break the national will or war making capacity. A bomber that doesn’t carry nuclear weapons is by definition not a strategic bomber.


Looks like Jack67 is talking about aircraft capability vs Ryan_Scott using a mission specific definition of strategic.


The B1 is not capable of operating as a strategic bomber despite being designed as one and having operating costs of a bad one.
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Were they live on the grams when they hit a mine? Watching the Kadyrov tiktokers and the Ukie instahoes battle it out to see who gets the dumbest death on video is peak 2022 war.  That tank shot video is going to be really hard to beat. LOL
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Video looks misleading. The place where they are clearing the mine is on some grass covered path. The place they got s’ploded is out in the dirt field.
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I did a search on the name.  Good shoot.  I hope the commie from Texas gets his soon.
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He wore bow ties. NFG.
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Russian "Kalibr" Cruise Missile striking a target in Lviv

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Oh well.
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just based on that picture and assuming they have let's say 10-12 of these cemeteries in the county now (the funeral procession looked local) - I would estimate more like 10K+ KIA on UA side :(
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Lat I heard it was just over 4,500 KIA. Compared to Russians at 20-40,000.
just based on that picture and assuming they have let's say 10-12 of these cemeteries in the county now (the funeral procession looked local) - I would estimate more like 10K+ KIA on UA side :(


For obvious reasons I think both sides are undercounting their casualties.  For example, I would expect 2k+ KIA for UA in Mariupol alone.  50k+ civilian dead wouldn’t surprise me either.

On the flip side I think 20k Russian dead is the absolute floor.  They didn’t so much retreat from the north as evaporate.
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Video looks misleading. The place where they are clearing the mine is on some grass covered path. The place they got s’ploded is out in the dirt field.
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:


Were they live on the grams when they hit a mine? Watching the Kadyrov tiktokers and the Ukie instahoes battle it out to see who gets the dumbest death on video is peak 2022 war.  That tank shot video is going to be really hard to beat. LOL


Video looks misleading. The place where they are clearing the mine is on some grass covered path. The place they got s’ploded is out in the dirt field.


Yeah, they hit a different one.
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Originally Posted By Samal:

Shit.  that brand new cemetery section alone has 600-800 fresh graves already!  and this is just one local cemetery in the big country...I hate to say it, but that looks like more than declared 3.5K KIA from UA side :(
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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/08/56819765-0-image-a-1_1650438406929.jpg

Alla Dimova, mother of Ukranian army officer Vyacheslav Vyacheslavovych Dimov, who was killed on April 16 in battle in Vasylivka district of Zaporizhzhia region, cries as she covers his face during his funeral held in the town of Marhanets, in Zaporizhzhia region, Ukraine April 19, 2022

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/20/08/56821135-10734507-image-a-33_1650441497353.jpg

Shit.  that brand new cemetery section alone has 600-800 fresh graves already!  and this is just one local cemetery in the big country...I hate to say it, but that looks like more than declared 3.5K KIA from UA side :(

There's maybe 3 dozen graves with freshly disturbed soil.  After the first few rows the soil is compacted and uniform in color, so those probably are from at least last year.  The back 3/4 of the graveyard has grass growing over a lot of the graves so I'd suspect most of those are several years old.
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Well duh, there were driving in a minefield and hit another mine.
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Don’t be a collaborator against your country in an existential war. What’s so hard about that?
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Good man found a way to help, at significant financial cost.  Mansions can be replaced though.

Ukrainian millionaire tells military to bomb his Russian-occupied mansion
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ukrainian-millionaire-tells-military-to-bomb-his-russian-occupied-mansion

Sounds like they got a dozen orc vehicles, including a BM-21 and missiles in the strike.



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I understand this and understand the need for misinformation and the power of the infowar, but if UA has a similar rate of losses as RF, it doesn't look good in the long term.
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It's the nature of warfare. I think the USSR didn't try to get definitive about WW2 casualties until the late 60s.


I understand this and understand the need for misinformation and the power of the infowar, but if UA has a similar rate of losses as RF, it doesn't look good in the long term.



They probably also don't want to lose support from other countries if those countries might start to think it's a lost cause.
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Increasingly?

Turkey is probably the only useful one of the 3. They closed the bosphrus. They are sending bayraktars. That's WAY more than sendong cold War shit and flat out being an impediment like Hungary has. Hungary and Germany are worthless nato allies. Replace them with Sweden, Finland and Ukraine.

Ukraine should, after the aftermath of Bucha and Makarov, etc concede NOTHING and nato should beg them to join.

Perhaps they can offer training on how to fight Russians, since they'd be the only member to have actually done it since 1945.
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NATO needs to consider joining ukraine, not ukraine joining nato.

Got that backwards.
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Malcolm Nance’s Dd 214
Looks like some NSA and SECGRU stuff also
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Nope, he’s an MSNBC commentator who has done photo ops before, nothing to do with Ukraine/Russia or whatever, he’s not anyone to take seriously whatever your point of view. There’s way more SMEs for whatever flavor you prefer but he’s not even in the kiddie pool for secret squirrel shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x1FuH5wa2Q
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/442BF02D-ED23-4CFD-8989-FED9731A83D4_jpe-2354879.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/AD8A2AC0-DDC8-4496-AAD0-56A48FE03DCF_jpe-2354881.JPG

Malcolm Nance’s Dd 214
Looks like some NSA and SECGRU stuff also


That settles that…..he’s legit.
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