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Originally Posted By 74HC: They're already at war with Ukraine. One they started. So if they do declare war, I suspect it will be Poland, but not directly named, but those that are fighting with Ukraine by supplying weapons. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By TNC: Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire. They're already at war with Ukraine. One they started. So if they do declare war, I suspect it will be Poland, but not directly named, but those that are fighting with Ukraine by supplying weapons. According to the Russians, it is/was a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Russians opposed to the war were saying on social media that it is essentially illegal to refer to it as a "war" in Russia. |
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Originally Posted By mancow: What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By Bizzarolibe: Originally Posted By TNC: Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire. It’s naive to laugh this off. An official declaration of war gives Putin more legal latitude to escalate this conflict, which includes deploying WMD’s. What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me. There are limits. If the wind blows the wrong way, the oligarchs, the other senior government/military leaders, and the general populace can all represent a threat to Putin. Putin needs to influence those people enough to avoid eating a 9x18 round. |
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138: According to the Russians, it is/was a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Russians opposed to the war were saying on social media that it is essentially illegal to refer to it as a "war" in Russia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Originally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By TNC: Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire. They're already at war with Ukraine. One they started. So if they do declare war, I suspect it will be Poland, but not directly named, but those that are fighting with Ukraine by supplying weapons. According to the Russians, it is/was a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Russians opposed to the war were saying on social media that it is essentially illegal to refer to it as a "war" in Russia. Not "essentially" it IS illegal to call it a war or invasion. He's not going into Poland IMO, this is a move to conscript more men I think, and possibly sell the idea to the public that Russia itself is at risk of being destroyed. |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: There was an editorial in a German paper about how when Steinmeier - a long time enabler of Putin - was told he wasn’t welcome to go to Kyiv the Baltic and Polish presidents should have also stayed home out of solidarity. They’re bonkers. The Russian embassy here had this to say about the protest in front of it: Yes,nothing but senseless and uncalled for Russophobia… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/FE6EB205-5552-4139-BCB4-6AE21FE0B0D6_jpe-2349506.JPG View Quote Russian government's victimhood complex knows no bounds. They are like a wife-beating drunken asshole who complains that nobody likes him. Also, phobia is "fear" which is incorrect. We don't fear them just have disgust and contempt towards them. Which is absolutely justified. |
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: They are also the ones claiming our election was stolen. Not saying nefarious things didn't happen, it's just ironic that they gloss over the fact the US gov is likely equal or the most corrupt player here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Fair stance, but to also be fair, 99% of people that start in with the "Ukraine is corrupt" line also say "I can't choose a side because both are corrupt" which is as retarded as not being able to acknowledge every government on the planet is corrupt. In that part of the world corruption has to be accounted for in the way business and politics are conducted. Doesn't mean you can't condemn it but you may have to work with it if you want to do any business there, and this can create a problem with our legal system here. |
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Bad things happen in isolated instances in an armed populace, horrific things happen to a disarmed populace. 20th Century Democide https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
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Originally Posted By sq40: Interesting. So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: Originally Posted By sq40: These are just my thoughts, I see the strait closure as an attempt to de escalate, but I foresee it becoming a contentious issues as both Russia and later NATO will want to get assets in the black sea. I agree Finland and Sweden pushing Nato membership is due to Russia. They know they are next as this heats up. With Poland, Biden has sent 3k troops so far. It’s a small force, but it looks like we are possibly selling or moving M1s to Poland, maybe F16s… I see it as the vanguard to preparing or paving the way to defending a front. Russia doesn't have any assets to move into the Black Sea. It would take forever to relocate a vessel from the Baltic Sea and they would have to sail by many Nato countries to do so. This is why losing the Moskva is such a big deal. With her loss, Russia has effectively lost control of the Black Sea. They have no way to replace her. Interesting. So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it. Pretty much. Its really too bad they cant just spam a volley of Neptun's at the ships underway, but they dont have enough to do so. |
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Originally Posted By texashomeserver: Russia uses long-range bombers for first time in Ukraine war, official says https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-uses-long-range-bombers-for-first-time-in-ukraine-war-official-says View Quote Dear Santa I know I said I wouldn't ask for anything else for Christmas if the orc ship Moscow was actually sunk. But would you please let the Ukrainians bag a few Blackjacks and/or Bears. 7empest P.S. I will leave you THC brownies and a 6 pack of PBR |
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Originally Posted By M-1975: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177432/FQZQZVbaAAEMeEk_png-2350071.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By Dracster: "Destroyed Russian PPRU-1 "Ovod-M-SV" (9S80) - "mobile" control point air defense regiment." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_12-03-27_jpg-2349951.JPG It looks like this when not blowed up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/PPRU-1_9S80_Ovod-M-SV_19th_MRB_1_jpg-2349959.JPG "An SBU officer plays with a kitty while detaining a collaborator" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_11-40-05_jpg-2349952.JPG That's one fat cat I think the collaborator is detained inside the cat. |
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ9rghEakAARGJ3?format=jpg&name=large View Quote Then why not sink the rest? How many more guided missle ships sit in the black sea or Sevastopol? Is it a matter of targeting data? |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: I'm conflicted. The alternative is that families are not told of the loss and are lied to by the Russian government. View Quote It's useful to let families know the fate of their kids instead of wondering forever what happened to their kid. But russian civilians can't or won't do anything about it. |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Who are you wanting to replace her with? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: It sort of is, but it's self-inflicted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: He's not going into Poland IMO, this is a move to conscript more men I think, and possibly sell the idea to the public that Russia itself is at risk of being destroyed. Yeah, fair |
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ9rghEakAARGJ3?format=jpg&name=large View Quote What sort of OTH radar do these work with, or do they do the high target acquisition, low approach, high attack thing? |
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Putin is going to have follow through on his escalation threats if he "declares war".
He has no intent of letting go of mariupol, and the Ukrainians have no intention of letting him keep it. They will have to launch a counter offensive to get it back and will need heavy weapons to do so. As a side note we need to see some heavy bombers brought down. |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Then why not sink the rest? How many more guided missle ships sit in the black sea or Sevastopol? Is it a matter of targeting data? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ9rghEakAARGJ3?format=jpg&name=large Then why not sink the rest? How many more guided missle ships sit in the black sea or Sevastopol? Is it a matter of targeting data? Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there. The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count. |
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Originally Posted By M-1975: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177432/FQZQZVbaAAEMeEk_png-2350071.JPG View Quote ROST ! |
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Originally Posted By mancow: What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By Bizzarolibe: Originally Posted By TNC: Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire. It's naive to laugh this off. An official declaration of war gives Putin more legal latitude to escalate this conflict, which includes deploying WMD's. What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me. It might force Belarus to move Belarus troops into Ukraine for example. Something they haven't wanted to do to this point. |
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Originally Posted By Circuits: Ukraine probably has about ten more Neptun in inventory.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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How come every time there is a shooting, they want to take away the guns from the people who didn't do it?
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Slava Ukraini! "The only real difference between the men and the boys, is the number and size, and cost of their toys."
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Originally Posted By Balu: Russian government's victimhood complex knows no bounds. They are like a wife-beating drunken asshole who complains that nobody likes him. Also, phobia is "fear" which is incorrect. We don't fear them just have disgust and contempt towards them. Which is absolutely justified. View Quote It's the communist playbook. Communism says the world is made up of oppressors and oppressed. It says everybody is obligated to fight the oppressors. The russian govt calls itself the oppressed. Russian dictator oligarchs or whatever are continuing the tactic the soviet union always used. Don't forget, russia said they invaded Ukraine to free oppressed russians who were victims of russophobia. Now they are going to say they have to declare war because Ukraine is attacking them. |
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Originally Posted By Dracster: "An abandoned field camp of the Russian military between Makarov and the village of Lipovka, Kiev region. The Russians were forced to retreat from here in early April. The photo of what they left behind was taken by AIN.UA editor-in-chief Ilya Kabachinsky." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_05-44-14_jpg-2349727.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_05-44-13_jpg-2349728.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_05-44-11_jpg-2349729.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_05-44-10_jpg-2349730.JPG View Quote A bottle of Glenmorangie... way too good for orcs. They obviously looted it. Hope they choked on it. |
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Originally Posted By CS223: UK is sending Harpoons. Crimea might be in play before this is over. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By sq40: Interesting. So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it's just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it. Ukraine probably has about ten more Neptun in inventory.... Z said as much. He also said diplomacy is done, so that kinda removes the whole "negotiating position". |
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Originally Posted By sq40: Interesting. So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: Originally Posted By sq40: These are just my thoughts, I see the strait closure as an attempt to de escalate, but I foresee it becoming a contentious issues as both Russia and later NATO will want to get assets in the black sea. I agree Finland and Sweden pushing Nato membership is due to Russia. They know they are next as this heats up. With Poland, Biden has sent 3k troops so far. It’s a small force, but it looks like we are possibly selling or moving M1s to Poland, maybe F16s… I see it as the vanguard to preparing or paving the way to defending a front. Russia doesn't have any assets to move into the Black Sea. It would take forever to relocate a vessel from the Baltic Sea and they would have to sail by many Nato countries to do so. This is why losing the Moskva is such a big deal. With her loss, Russia has effectively lost control of the Black Sea. They have no way to replace her. Interesting. So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it. In a just and right world, the Ukes would resurrect the Caspian Sea Monster and use it to salvo Shipwrecks into every remaining Russian capitol ship on the Black Sea. |
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Originally Posted By Willmar: That’s sigline material. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Willmar: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: The last six weeks has shown the Russian Federation to be nothing more than a giant ICP concert that found itself in possession of a military. Like trailer trash that received an inheritance. That’s sigline material. Don’t forget the gas station part. McCain was a piece of shit politically by many accounts, but his quote about Russia was pretty spot on. |
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Originally Posted By CS223: UK is sending Harpoons. Crimea might be in play before this is over. View Quote There are a few particular things russia wants out of this war. I'm not sure what those specific things are, oil fields, iron factories, stuff like that. But if they start to get the impression they are actually going to lose that stuff, I expect them to go scorched earth. Not just bombing targets, bombing everything. Poisoning everything. Mining everything. Raping and killing everybody. |
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Originally Posted By Circuits: Mostly AWACS, probably. US is not sitting this one out, they're just not directly kinetically involved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By AnalogKid: In a just and right world, the Ukes would resurrect the Caspian Sea Monster and use it to salvo Shipwrecks into every remaining Russian capitol ship on the Black Sea. View Quote Russia doesn't have any Capital ships on the black sea. That's yesterday's news. |
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Originally Posted By dillydilly: Yup. I posted about 600 pages or so back on who Dudayev was and why he’s respected by people in Ukraine as well as the Baltics. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By outofbattery: To differentiate the groups, those on the Ukrainian side are perhaps better described as Ichkerians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_Republic_of_Ichkeria The US made a massive mistake when Clinton did Yeltsin a favor and killed Dudayev,after which it turned the matter of Chechen independence from nationalism to religion but it really doesn’t matter,Dubya would have supported anything Putin wanted to do after 9/11 anyway because “yer with us or a turrist” so it was just a matter of timing. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is the exact same thing as they did in Chechnya https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/27/chechnya.russia2 One of the Ichkerian battalion leaders has said that they will burn the Kadyrovites’ beards off and that “Basiyev would have cut your heads off” so if/when they meet I would not expect much mercy. Kadyrov’s rabble are seen by them as religious and ethnic traitors and nobody likes traitors, especially folks with fundamentalist leanings. Yup. I posted about 600 pages or so back on who Dudayev was and why he’s respected by people in Ukraine as well as the Baltics. Those videos you posted were very informative and illuminating. He described Russian imperial expansionism with astonishing accuracy, in an almost prophetic way. No wonder they assassinated him. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: There are a few particular things russia wants out of this war. I'm not sure what those specific things are, oil fields, iron factories, stuff like that. But if they start to get the impression they are actually going to lose that stuff, I expect them to go scorched earth. Not just bombing targets, bombing everything. Poisoning everything. Mining everything. Raping and killing everybody. View Quote Gonna go full Sherman? |
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there. The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count. View Quote Which one was launching all those kaliburs? The photos we saw 6 or 8 at a time going up ml |
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there. The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count. View Quote If the Russian ships can't get close to the shore and it allows other parts of Ukraine to have sea access then they don't need to burn more missiles. |
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View Quote Damn, that's cool, I'm saving that one! 💀 |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Which one was launching all those kaliburs? The photos we saw 6 or 8 at a time going up ml View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there. The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count. Which one was launching all those kaliburs? The photos we saw 6 or 8 at a time going up ml Any number of a couple dozen Frigates/Corvettes/Missile Boats from the Black Sea Fleet and, reportedly, the Caspian Flotilla. |
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Originally Posted By Circuits: Russia doesn't have any Capital ships on the black sea. That's yesterday's news. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By AnalogKid: In a just and right world, the Ukes would resurrect the Caspian Sea Monster and use it to salvo Shipwrecks into every remaining Russian capitol ship on the Black Sea. Russia doesn't have any Capital ships on the black sea. That's yesterday's news. At this point in time, anything in their Black Sea fleet that's bigger than a rowboat and can lob missiles is probably viewed by them as such. Fuck them all; sink them all. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Agree. The mothers will see their child looking like roadkill, know they are dead, and sob. They will tell everyone in their village and some will become scared while others enraged. It could be done in a decent professional way..."dear Gold Star mother, on behalf of the UA fighting for our freedom, we regret to inform you that your son fell while attempting to kill our women and children and take our land. If you would like a picture of your child for identification, please respond"... View Quote Too bad the one's sending the pictures don't have the luxury of sanitized brutality. Fuck 'em. |
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World ain't what it seems, is it Gunny?
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At this point, I think Russia has just about shit themselves out of every capable platform and PGM in their inventory. It ain't gonna get better from here. Only step left is nukes to prevent disassembly of the Russian State.
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: He's not going into Poland IMO, this is a move to conscript more men I think, and possibly sell the idea to the public that Russia itself is at risk of being destroyed. View Quote Russia is at risk of being destroyed. Not for the reasons Putin puts out there, but they damn sure are |
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