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Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:32:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 74HC:

They're already at war with Ukraine. One they started. So if they do declare war, I suspect it will be Poland, but not directly named, but those that are fighting with Ukraine by supplying weapons.
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Originally Posted By 74HC:
Originally Posted By TNC:


Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire.

They're already at war with Ukraine. One they started. So if they do declare war, I suspect it will be Poland, but not directly named, but those that are fighting with Ukraine by supplying weapons.

According to the Russians, it is/was a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Russians opposed to the war were saying on social media that it is essentially illegal to refer to it as a "war" in Russia.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:32:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mancow:


What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me.
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Originally Posted By mancow:
Originally Posted By Bizzarolibe:
Originally Posted By TNC:


Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire.


It’s naive to laugh this off. An official declaration of war gives Putin more legal latitude to escalate this conflict, which includes deploying WMD’s.


What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me.


There are limits.

If the wind blows the wrong way, the oligarchs, the other senior government/military leaders, and the general populace can all represent a threat to Putin.

Putin needs to influence those people enough to avoid eating a 9x18 round.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:34:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:

According to the Russians, it is/was a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Russians opposed to the war were saying on social media that it is essentially illegal to refer to it as a "war" in Russia.
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
Originally Posted By 74HC:
Originally Posted By TNC:


Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire.

They're already at war with Ukraine. One they started. So if they do declare war, I suspect it will be Poland, but not directly named, but those that are fighting with Ukraine by supplying weapons.

According to the Russians, it is/was a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Russians opposed to the war were saying on social media that it is essentially illegal to refer to it as a "war" in Russia.



Not "essentially" it IS illegal to call it a war or invasion.

He's not going into Poland IMO, this is a move to conscript more men I think, and possibly sell the idea to the public that Russia itself is at risk of being destroyed.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:36:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
There was an editorial in a German paper about how when Steinmeier - a long time enabler of Putin - was told he wasn’t welcome to go to Kyiv the Baltic and Polish presidents should have also stayed home out of solidarity. They’re bonkers.

  The Russian embassy here had this to say about the protest in front of it:

Yes,nothing but senseless and uncalled for Russophobia…

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Russian government's victimhood complex knows no bounds. They are like a wife-beating drunken asshole who complains that nobody likes him. Also, phobia is "fear" which is incorrect. We don't fear them just have disgust and contempt towards them. Which is absolutely justified.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:36:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
They are also the ones claiming our election was stolen. Not saying nefarious things didn't happen, it's just ironic that they gloss over the fact the US gov is likely equal or the most corrupt player here.
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:



Fair stance, but to also be fair, 99% of people that start in with the "Ukraine is corrupt" line also say "I can't choose a side because both are corrupt" which is as retarded as not being able to acknowledge every government on the planet is corrupt.
They are also the ones claiming our election was stolen. Not saying nefarious things didn't happen, it's just ironic that they gloss over the fact the US gov is likely equal or the most corrupt player here.


In that part of the world corruption has to be accounted for in the way business and politics are conducted. Doesn't mean you can't condemn it but you may have to work with it if you want to do any business there, and this can create a problem with our legal system here.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:38:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sq40:


Interesting.

So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it.
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These are just my thoughts,

I see the strait closure as an attempt to de escalate, but I foresee it becoming a contentious issues as both Russia and later NATO will want to get assets in the black sea.  

I agree Finland and Sweden pushing Nato membership is due to Russia.  They know they are next as this heats up.

With Poland, Biden has sent 3k troops so far.  It’s a small force, but it looks like we are possibly selling or moving M1s to Poland, maybe F16s…  I see it as the vanguard to preparing or paving the way to defending a front.

Russia doesn't have any assets to move into the Black Sea.  It would take forever to relocate a vessel from the Baltic Sea and they would have to sail by many Nato countries to do so. This is why losing the Moskva is such a big deal.  With her loss, Russia has effectively lost control of the Black Sea.  They have no way to replace her.


Interesting.

So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it.


Pretty much.  Its really too bad they cant just spam a volley of Neptun's at the ships underway, but they dont have enough to do so.

Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:40:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
The last six weeks has shown the Russian Federation to be nothing more than a giant ICP concert that found itself in possession of a military. Like trailer trash that received an inheritance.
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That’s sigline material.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:41:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By texashomeserver:
Russia uses long-range bombers for first time in Ukraine war, official says

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Dear Santa


 I know I said I wouldn't ask for anything else for Christmas if the orc ship Moscow was actually sunk. But would you please let the Ukrainians bag a few Blackjacks and/or Bears.

          7empest


  P.S. I will leave you THC brownies and a 6 pack of PBR

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Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:43:15 PM EDT
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That's one fat cat
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"Destroyed Russian PPRU-1 "Ovod-M-SV" (9S80) - "mobile" control point air defense regiment."


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_12-03-27_jpg-2349951.JPG
It looks like this when not blowed up.

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"An SBU officer plays with a kitty while detaining a collaborator"

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That's one fat cat

I think the collaborator is detained inside the cat.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:45:46 PM EDT
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Then why not sink the rest?

How many more guided missle ships sit in the black sea or Sevastopol? Is it a matter of targeting data?
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:46:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

He's not going into Poland IMO, this is a move to conscript more men I think, and possibly sell the idea to the public that Russia itself is at risk of being destroyed.
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It sort of is, but it's self-inflicted.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:47:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

I'm conflicted.  The alternative is that families are not told of the loss and are lied to by the Russian government.
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It's useful to let families know the fate of their kids instead of wondering forever what happened to their kid. But russian civilians can't or won't do anything about it.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:47:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

Who are you wanting to replace her with?
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:

MTG is such complete babbling idiot and since I live in GA, I can't wait to help put her out of a job soon!

Who are you wanting to replace her with?
A silent sock of shit.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:47:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
It sort of is, but it's self-inflicted.
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

He's not going into Poland IMO, this is a move to conscript more men I think, and possibly sell the idea to the public that Russia itself is at risk of being destroyed.
It sort of is, but it's self-inflicted.



Yeah, fair
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:47:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech:

Then why not sink the rest?

How many more guided missle ships sit in the black sea or Sevastopol? Is it a matter of targeting data?
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Can those be used to take out the bridge from Russia to Crimea?   Or maybe some Harpoons?
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:48:26 PM EDT
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What sort of OTH radar do these work with, or do they do the high target acquisition, low approach, high attack thing?
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Putin is going to have follow through on his escalation threats if he "declares war".

He has no intent of letting go of mariupol, and the Ukrainians have no intention of letting him keep it. They will have to launch a counter offensive to get it back and will need heavy weapons to do so.

As a side note we need to see some heavy bombers brought down.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:51:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech:



Then why not sink the rest?

How many more guided missle ships sit in the black sea or Sevastopol? Is it a matter of targeting data?
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Then why not sink the rest?

How many more guided missle ships sit in the black sea or Sevastopol? Is it a matter of targeting data?


Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there.

The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:52:32 PM EDT
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ROST !
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Screen capture from a video of the sinking of the Moskva

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Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:53:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mancow:


What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me.
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Originally Posted By Bizzarolibe:
Originally Posted By TNC:


Who are they declaring war on? Their electricians union? I thought they said Moskva had an electrical fire.


It's naive to laugh this off. An official declaration of war gives Putin more legal latitude to escalate this conflict, which includes deploying WMD's.


What legal latitude? He's a dictator that can do whatever he wants. I know what you are saying but it seems irrelevant to me.
It could be that a declaration of war by Russia could trigger some mandatory steps in terms of troops, equipment, money or even regional access on the part of other members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

It might force Belarus to move Belarus troops into Ukraine for example. Something they haven't wanted to do to this point.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:54:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Circuits:

Ukraine probably has about ten more Neptun in inventory....
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Interesting.

So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it's just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it.

Ukraine probably has about ten more Neptun in inventory....
UK is sending Harpoons. Crimea might be in play before this is over.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:55:30 PM EDT
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Mostly AWACS, probably.

US is not sitting this one out, they're just not directly kinetically involved.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:56:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Balu:

Russian government's victimhood complex knows no bounds. They are like a wife-beating drunken asshole who complains that nobody likes him. Also, phobia is "fear" which is incorrect. We don't fear them just have disgust and contempt towards them. Which is absolutely justified.
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It's the communist playbook. Communism says the world is made up of oppressors and oppressed. It says everybody is obligated to fight the oppressors. The russian govt calls itself the oppressed. Russian dictator oligarchs or whatever are continuing the tactic the soviet union always used. Don't forget, russia said they invaded Ukraine to free oppressed russians who were victims of russophobia. Now they are going to say they have to declare war because Ukraine is attacking them.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:56:35 PM EDT
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"An abandoned field camp of the Russian military between Makarov and the village of Lipovka, Kiev region.
The Russians were forced to retreat from here in early April. The photo of what they left behind was taken by AIN.UA editor-in-chief Ilya Kabachinsky."

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A bottle of Glenmorangie... way too good for orcs. They obviously looted it. Hope they choked on it.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:57:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CS223:
UK is sending Harpoons. Crimea might be in play before this is over.
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Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Interesting.

So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it's just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it.

Ukraine probably has about ten more Neptun in inventory....
UK is sending Harpoons. Crimea might be in play before this is over.

Z said as much. He also said diplomacy is done, so that kinda removes the whole "negotiating position".
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:57:40 PM EDT
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UK is sending Harpoons. Crimea might be in play before this is over.
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Harpoon is not an ineffictive system. Godspeed the defenders.
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Originally Posted By sq40:


Interesting.

So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it.
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Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
Originally Posted By sq40:


These are just my thoughts,

I see the strait closure as an attempt to de escalate, but I foresee it becoming a contentious issues as both Russia and later NATO will want to get assets in the black sea.  

I agree Finland and Sweden pushing Nato membership is due to Russia.  They know they are next as this heats up.

With Poland, Biden has sent 3k troops so far.  It’s a small force, but it looks like we are possibly selling or moving M1s to Poland, maybe F16s…  I see it as the vanguard to preparing or paving the way to defending a front.

Russia doesn't have any assets to move into the Black Sea.  It would take forever to relocate a vessel from the Baltic Sea and they would have to sail by many Nato countries to do so. This is why losing the Moskva is such a big deal.  With her loss, Russia has effectively lost control of the Black Sea.  They have no way to replace her.


Interesting.

So with a fixed number of black sea assets, it’s just a matter of hunting each one down and sinking it.

In a just and right world, the Ukes would resurrect the Caspian Sea Monster and use it to salvo Shipwrecks into every remaining Russian capitol ship on the Black Sea.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:59:27 PM EDT
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That’s sigline material.
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
The last six weeks has shown the Russian Federation to be nothing more than a giant ICP concert that found itself in possession of a military. Like trailer trash that received an inheritance.


That’s sigline material.


Don’t forget the gas station part. McCain was a piece of shit politically by many accounts, but his quote about Russia was pretty spot on.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 2:59:53 PM EDT
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There are a few particular things russia wants out of this war. I'm not sure what those specific things are, oil fields, iron factories, stuff like that. But if they start to get the impression they are actually going to lose that stuff, I expect them to go scorched earth. Not just bombing targets, bombing everything. Poisoning everything. Mining everything. Raping and killing everybody.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 3:00:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Circuits:

Mostly AWACS, probably.

US is not sitting this one out, they're just not directly kinetically involved.
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Originally Posted By anono:
What sort of OTH radar do these work with, or do they do the high target acquisition, low approach, high attack thing?

Mostly AWACS, probably.

US is not sitting this one out, they're just not directly kinetically involved.
And if you think those Bayractars where anything more than flying plausible deniability's for some one else's ECM I'd like to sell you a slightly used T-72.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 3:01:46 PM EDT
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Don’t forget the gas station part. McCain was a piece of shit politically by many accounts, but his quote about Russia was pretty spot on.
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John McCain: Russia is a 'gas station masquerading as a country'
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Originally Posted By AnalogKid:
In a just and right world, the Ukes would resurrect the Caspian Sea Monster and use it to salvo Shipwrecks into every remaining Russian capitol ship on the Black Sea.
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Russia doesn't have any Capital ships on the black sea. That's yesterday's news.
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Yup. I posted about 600 pages or so back on who Dudayev was and why he’s respected by people in Ukraine as well as the Baltics.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:



 To differentiate the groups, those on the Ukrainian side are perhaps better described as Ichkerians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_Republic_of_Ichkeria

The US made a massive mistake when Clinton did Yeltsin a favor and killed Dudayev,after which it turned the matter of Chechen independence  from nationalism to religion but it really doesn’t matter,Dubya would have supported anything Putin wanted to do after 9/11 anyway because “yer with us or a turrist” so it was just a matter of timing.

    What Russia is doing in Ukraine is the exact same thing as they did in Chechnya
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/27/chechnya.russia2

 One of the Ichkerian battalion leaders has said that they will burn the Kadyrovites’ beards off and that “Basiyev would have cut your heads off”  so if/when they meet I would not expect much mercy. Kadyrov’s rabble  are seen by them as  religious and ethnic traitors and nobody likes traitors, especially folks with fundamentalist leanings.


Yup. I posted about 600 pages or so back on who Dudayev was and why he’s respected by people in Ukraine as well as the Baltics.

Those videos you posted were very informative and illuminating. He described Russian imperial expansionism with astonishing accuracy, in an almost prophetic way. No wonder they assassinated him.
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There are a few particular things russia wants out of this war. I'm not sure what those specific things are, oil fields, iron factories, stuff like that. But if they start to get the impression they are actually going to lose that stuff, I expect them to go scorched earth. Not just bombing targets, bombing everything. Poisoning everything. Mining everything. Raping and killing everybody.
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Gonna go full Sherman?
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Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there.

The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count.
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Which one was launching all those kaliburs? The photos we saw 6 or  8 at a time going up ml
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Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there.

The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count.
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If the Russian ships can't get close to the shore and it allows other parts of Ukraine to have sea access then they don't need to burn more missiles.
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Russia doesn't have any Capital ships on the black sea. That's yesterday's news.
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Hush! Just let the guy have his fantasy!



It is a mighty fine fantasy,


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Cruel irony.

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Damn, that's cool, I'm saving that one!

💀
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Which one was launching all those kaliburs? The photos we saw 6 or  8 at a time going up ml
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there.

The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count.



Which one was launching all those kaliburs? The photos we saw 6 or  8 at a time going up ml

Any number of a couple dozen Frigates/Corvettes/Missile Boats from the Black Sea Fleet and, reportedly, the Caspian Flotilla.
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Russia doesn't have any Capital ships on the black sea. That's yesterday's news.
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Originally Posted By AnalogKid:
In a just and right world, the Ukes would resurrect the Caspian Sea Monster and use it to salvo Shipwrecks into every remaining Russian capitol ship on the Black Sea.

Russia doesn't have any Capital ships on the black sea. That's yesterday's news.

At this point in time, anything in their Black Sea fleet that's bigger than a rowboat and can lob missiles is probably viewed by them as such.

Fuck them all; sink them all.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

Agree. The mothers will see their child looking like roadkill, know they are dead, and sob. They will tell everyone in their village and some will become scared while others enraged.

It could be done in a decent professional way..."dear Gold Star mother, on behalf of the UA fighting for our freedom, we regret to inform you that your son fell while attempting to kill our women and children and take our land. If you would like a picture of your child for identification, please respond"...
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Too bad the one's sending the pictures don't have the luxury of sanitized brutality. Fuck 'em.
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At this point, I think Russia has just about shit themselves out of every capable platform and PGM in their inventory. It ain't gonna get better from here. Only step left is nukes to prevent disassembly of the Russian State.
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Until images come in, this is all we have.

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Link Posted: 4/15/2022 3:21:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


He's not going into Poland IMO, this is a move to conscript more men I think, and possibly sell the idea to the public that Russia itself is at risk of being destroyed.
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Russia is at risk of being destroyed.

Not for the reasons Putin puts out there, but they damn sure are
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