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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Well poo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By bikedamon: Fuck I wish we had video of the missile hit. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CcVOuWxA_kJ/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY= that's a Norwegian anti-ship missile test Well poo That's fine, I'll take it. 
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: That's very much true, but the question at hand is whether Turkey has changed and allows NATO warships through? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Another Zeihan video today. His take: There won't really BE a Black Sean fleet anymore shortly. Maybe NATO should start sailing there. It would create massive headaches for Russia and not be a direct involvement in the war.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwAQOiUJHa8Originally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Another Zeihan video today. His take: There won't really BE a Black Sean fleet anymore shortly. Maybe NATO should start sailing there. It would create massive headaches for Russia and not be a direct involvement in the war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwAQOiUJHa8Turkey has stated early on when closing the strait into the Black Sea, that no warships can pass per treaties. They clarified that to include *all* warships including NATO allies. That's very much true, but the question at hand is whether Turkey has changed and allows NATO warships through? i think the better question is, "what the fuck is turkey gonna do about it if we decided to?" |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: I don't buy the towing story at all. I don't know if the Ukrainians actually hit it with missiles, either. But that towing story stinks of face-saving propaganda. I seem to remember the UA 'missile' story coming a couple of hours before the Rus 'fire on ship' story. Also the UA pretty specific claim of a magazine explosion + ship on it's side and then sinking seems pretty logical. While the Russian 'towing' claim has not been supported by any images (including Sat). |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:35:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ContraHQ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: A Forbes article about the ship from back in January. Would be hard to overstate what a blow to Russia this is. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/?sh=79dd469775e5 ... The only Ukrainian forces that might have any realistic shot at Moskva are the new Neptune anti-ship missile batteries. The stealthy, radar-guided Neptune can strike ships as far away as 175 miles. Kiev has bought Turkish-made TB-2 drones and American-made radars that can spot targets for the Neptunes. It’s not clear how many Neptunes it might take to punch through Moskva’s defenses. Nor is it clear how many Neptunes the Ukrainians possess. In any event, Moskva is a big ship and has proved she can take a missile. The Georgian navy reportedly managed to score one hit on the cruiser back in 2008. She spent a year in drydock and was back at sea by 2010. 2, the answer is 2. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:36:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:36:55 PM EDT
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Another BTR-4 shootout in Donbass:
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45602/FQP3YNAXIAsp-2C_jpg-2348978.JPG meme game is on point today  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: A Forbes article about the ship from back in January. Would be hard to overstate what a blow to Russia this is. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/?sh=79dd469775e5 Today we realize it was a hunk of crap that can't defend itself against shore launched ASMs while being preoccupied by a Turkish hobby drone. One good hit and it rolled over on its side and all the armed and primed ordnance on board fell off their Costco racks pointy end first and caused the whole ship to explode like a Mexican fireworks factory. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:39:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broadrunarms: Unless his sycophants lie to Putin on everything, I keep wondering why there aren't Russia's Tier One forces, particularly aviation assets, are not being deployed to salvage a mishandled operation. By that I point to coverage by Ward Carroll (Youtuber) who was a RIO on Tomcats for this 20 year navy career. Apparently folks in his circle have decided that there are not the best aviation units in Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKtIsMoPoAHe posted a newer one that I have not yet watched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8sybxO9I7wThere was a great article on this posted a while back. TL;DR possible explanations: -Lack of PGMs -Lack of confidence in ability to deconflict large scale air power -Less than 100 hrs a YEAR for fighter pilots, lack of confidence in their capabilities I would add some more theories based on what we've seen from ground forces -Their new fighters actually suck -Their maintenance is so bad they can't risk flying them -They know they can't build more so can't risk them https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/mysterious-case-missing-russian-air-force |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:39:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead:  I'm sure he thinks it's impossible a bunch of navyless hohols sank the flagship of the Russian navy. I would bet a crisp $100 bill that the US was giving some precise and near real time intel on that ship, but I'd bet another one that we didn't have anything more than that to do with it. Cope_harder guys just need to accept that the Russian military is criminally incompetent and corrupt at the highest level, and such things lead to events like capitol ships getting sunk. They have been sailing repeating patterns close to shore for weeks, doesnt take milspec intel to figure out the schedule and wait for them to come into range. Also may have waited for such a storm to maximize casualties before taking the shot. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:42:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:43:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:44:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PvtCowboy: I owned a Jane's naval warfare book in the 80s when the Slava as it was known then was new Soviet capability. They described it as a fearsome opponent to US surface fleets with its guided long range ballistic missiles, even having anti-satellite and ICBM nuclear capability. Today we realize it was a hunk of crap that can't defend itself against shore launched ASMs while being preoccupied by a Turkish hobby drone. One good hit and it rolled over on its side and all the armed and primed ordnance on board fell off their Costco racks pointy end first and caused the whole ship to explode like a Mexican fireworks factory. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PvtCowboy: Originally Posted By bikedamon: A Forbes article about the ship from back in January. Would be hard to overstate what a blow to Russia this is. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/?sh=79dd469775e5 Today we realize it was a hunk of crap that can't defend itself against shore launched ASMs while being preoccupied by a Turkish hobby drone. One good hit and it rolled over on its side and all the armed and primed ordnance on board fell off their Costco racks pointy end first and caused the whole ship to explode like a Mexican fireworks factory. lol, I love the description, the ship ended up being the Dollar Tree version of an AEGIS cruiser.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:46:16 PM EDT
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Another shot down Su-34 of the Russian occupiers. RF-93823 with board number 31.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ContraHQ: 2, the answer is 2.  Ah-hah-hah! |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:47:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PvtCowboy: I owned a Jane's naval warfare book in the 80s when the Slava as it was known then was new Soviet capability. They described it as a fearsome opponent to US surface fleets with its guided long range ballistic missiles, even having anti-satellite and ICBM nuclear capability. Today we realize it was a hunk of crap that can't defend itself against shore launched ASMs while being preoccupied by a Turkish hobby drone. One good hit and it rolled over on its side and all the armed and primed ordnance on board fell off their Costco racks pointy end first and caused the whole ship to explode like a Mexican fireworks factory. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PvtCowboy: Originally Posted By bikedamon: A Forbes article about the ship from back in January. Would be hard to overstate what a blow to Russia this is. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/?sh=79dd469775e5 Today we realize it was a hunk of crap that can't defend itself against shore launched ASMs while being preoccupied by a Turkish hobby drone. One good hit and it rolled over on its side and all the armed and primed ordnance on board fell off their Costco racks pointy end first and caused the whole ship to explode like a Mexican fireworks factory. I like to think of all those missile racks as ERA but for ships! |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:47:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SpaceGuy]
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Moscova likely had nuclear weapons aboard, now its sunk: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5183135288411846&id=100001462773961&sfnsn=mo
I would not get too excited about the burning of Moscow ... there was info from the Americans at night, now the Ukrainians have just confirmed to me that there are nuclear weapon on Moscow. The ship keeps burning, because of the high risks - rescue is not approaching. USA was confident that tonight Russians will sink this ship. There is a photo that ship is still burning. Leadership of the Russian army is trying to activate the mechanisms for self destruct. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:47:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: I think they'll be very popular on Ebay soon. I just ordered 3 sheets. About $50. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: They have been sailing repeating patterns close to shore for weeks, doesnt take milspec intel to figure out the schedule and wait for them to come into range. Also may have waited for such a storm to maximize casualties before taking the shot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I'm sure he thinks it's impossible a bunch of navyless hohols sank the flagship of the Russian navy. I would bet a crisp $100 bill that the US was giving some precise and near real time intel on that ship, but I'd bet another one that we didn't have anything more than that to do with it. Cope_harder guys just need to accept that the Russian military is criminally incompetent and corrupt at the highest level, and such things lead to events like capitol ships getting sunk. They have been sailing repeating patterns close to shore for weeks, doesnt take milspec intel to figure out the schedule and wait for them to come into range. Also may have waited for such a storm to maximize casualties before taking the shot. That too. I'd still bet we gave them intel though, |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:51:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:52:17 PM EDT
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Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:52:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Moscova likely had nuclear weapons aboard, now its sunk: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5183135288411846&id=100001462773961&sfnsn=mo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Moscova likely had nuclear weapons aboard, now its sunk: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5183135288411846&id=100001462773961&sfnsn=mo I would not get too excited about the burning of Moscow ... there was info from the Americans at night, now the Ukrainians have just confirmed to me that there are nuclear weapon on Moscow. The ship keeps burning, because of the high risks - rescue is not approaching. USA was confident that tonight Russians will sink this ship. There is a photo that ship is still burning. Leadership of the Russian army is trying to activate the mechanisms for self destruct. Sounds like a good opportunity for UA to acquire some nukes. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:53:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQVdzouXwAw-5e1?format=jpg&name=medium 
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:53:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk: Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdDcYsFmasNo. That's a Finnish ASM test. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Another BTR-4 shootout in Donbass:
Those 30mm cannons are mopping up. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:54:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:54:37 PM EDT
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I really wish the Ukranians had been able to hit one of the war ships that came to the support of the injured ship. Russians captains all would be afraid they would be next.
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:55:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Soooooo, since Russia (well technically Chechens) just admitted to murdering a US citizen, does anything happen? https://t.me/intelslava/25230 There has already been American journalist killed so, no. They assumed the risk by going there. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:56:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: walkinginadangerzone]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Yea, I called it this morning that the being towed line was bullshit. Someone was buying time to get out of Dodge so they would not be sent to gulag. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Originally Posted By GreyHat: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: More:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQVGyaDWYAk7Xlt?format=jpg&name=small Makes me think it was never towed at all tbh. Yea, I called it this morning that the being towed line was bullshit. Someone was buying time to get out of Dodge so they would not be sent to gulag. US Gov sources stated it was "sailing, more than likely to port" in Crimea. Kirby said the damaged Russian warship is afloat and "making her own way across the Black Sea." |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk: Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdDcYsFmasNo, this video has it.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQVY7IiXMAMrHb0?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQVY7IlXEAU4cag?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQVY7IkX0AQDgEF?format=jpg&name=small "Usmanov's yacht is twice as large as this crusier... priorities!" lol, I guess some Russians finally noticed |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:58:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexRdnec: i think the better question is, "what the fuck is turkey gonna do about it if we decided to?" |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 5:59:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Russian tank getting raped by auto cannon until it explodes in Donetsk. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/u3pydl/a_russian_tank_being_destroyed_by_heavy_fire_in/ Damn, look at all those Russian funeral pyres along that road. The mobile crematorium is on turbo! |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote History Needs the ubiquitous "Dramatic re-enactment" news ticker |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:03:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By couchlord: Originally Posted By BamaInArk: Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdDcYsFmasNo, this video has it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmXzabXw-4hmmmmm Something seems off about that video
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk: Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdDcYsFmasI thought it was at 1AM in a storm? I think that may be a missile test video. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:07:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: weptek911]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk: Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdDcYsFmasNo. That is a test of a Anti ship missile. Normally ships setup for a SinkEx will be stripped of everything toxic or flammable as not to pollute the environment before they cause the front to fall off. The Moscow was hit at 1:05am so I doubt we will ever see a video of it. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:07:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk: Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdDcYsFmas |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:08:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: I thought it was at 1AM in a storm? I think that may be a missile test video. Oh duh...you're right. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broadrunarms: Unless his sycophants lie to Putin on everything, I keep wondering why there aren't Russia's Tier One forces, particularly aviation assets, are not being deployed to salvage a mishandled operation. By that I point to coverage by Ward Carroll (Youtuber) who was a RIO on Tomcats for this 20 year navy career. Apparently folks in his circle have decided that there are not the best aviation units in Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKtIsMoPoAHe posted a newer one that I have not yet watched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8sybxO9I7wCan’t have the non minorities dying |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:08:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Geez, really? Talk about a lack of basic understanding. The more you post the more I realize it's not an ideological difference, it's a competency difference. I have to give you credit, that is the nicest way I've ever seen someone calling someone else a moron. Nice job. 
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: I'm sure he thinks it's impossible a bunch of navyless hohols sank the flagship of the Russian navy. I would bet a crisp $100 bill that the US was giving some precise and near real time intel on that ship, but I'd bet another one that we didn't have anything more than that to do with it. Cope_harder guys just need to accept that the Russian military is criminally incompetent and corrupt at the highest level, and such things lead to events like capitol ships getting sunk. I think the Russians haven't really gotten the memo about ASMs being kind of a big deal. Or they believed their own press clippings about Slava cruiser being invulnerable to missile attack due to stronk Stalinium defensive suite. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PvtCowboy: I owned a Jane's naval warfare book in the 80s when the Slava as it was known then was new Soviet capability. They described it as a fearsome opponent to US surface fleets with its guided long range ballistic missiles, even having anti-satellite and ICBM nuclear capability. Today we realize it was a hunk of crap that can't defend itself against shore launched ASMs while being preoccupied by a Turkish hobby drone. One good hit and it rolled over on its side and all the armed and primed ordnance on board fell off their Costco racks pointy end first and caused the whole ship to explode like a Mexican fireworks factory. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PvtCowboy: Originally Posted By bikedamon: A Forbes article about the ship from back in January. Would be hard to overstate what a blow to Russia this is. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/?sh=79dd469775e5 Today we realize it was a hunk of crap that can't defend itself against shore launched ASMs while being preoccupied by a Turkish hobby drone. One good hit and it rolled over on its side and all the armed and primed ordnance on board fell off their Costco racks pointy end first and caused the whole ship to explode like a Mexican fireworks factory. You’re an artist with words my friend. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:12:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: theskuh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQViH3IXwAMFKDC?format=png&name=small This made me laugh. One guided missile cruiser like it was an MBT |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:15:14 PM EDT
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This "storm" in the area the late Slava was operating in had 14.1 knot winds and waves a half meter high.
That's not even sailing conditions that would cause a plate of cucumber and watercress finger sandwiches to slide across the galley table on a cutter participating in the Hyannis Port Massachusetts spring regatta. John Kerry would barely even feel the need to put on a windbreaker or wear socks with his Sperry topsiders. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:15:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Those 30mm cannons are mopping up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: Another BTR-4 shootout in Donbass:
Those 30mm cannons are mopping up. I wonder what projectile it is sending. That was a ass kickin. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BamaInArk: Is this a video of the main explosion? If so that appears to be more than a missile hit. Unless the missile hit caused it or it was an onboard explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdDcYsFmasI don't think that is it. there was supposedly stormy weather, night time. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 6:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ContraHQ: 2, the answer is 2. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ContraHQ: Originally Posted By bikedamon: A Forbes article about the ship from back in January. Would be hard to overstate what a blow to Russia this is. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/?sh=79dd469775e5 ... The only Ukrainian forces that might have any realistic shot at Moskva are the new Neptune anti-ship missile batteries. The stealthy, radar-guided Neptune can strike ships as far away as 175 miles. Kiev has bought Turkish-made TB-2 drones and American-made radars that can spot targets for the Neptunes. It's not clear how many Neptunes it might take to punch through Moskva's defenses. Nor is it clear how many Neptunes the Ukrainians possess. In any event, Moskva is a big ship and has proved she can take a missile. The Georgian navy reportedly managed to score one hit on the cruiser back in 2008. She spent a year in drydock and was back at sea by 2010. 2, the answer is 2. Both made it through thus the answer is that it takes a single missile to get through. |
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