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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:34:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ummmm....am I the first to think it was likely the US? Removes Russian bargaining chip, teaches the Germans a lesson, increases reliance on the US. Also, we're probably the only interested party that has the technical capability to get it done. My first thought was 'it's us.' |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:34:26 AM EDT
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Why wouldnt russia simply turn it off vs breaking a line?
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:37:53 AM EDT
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If I was betting money I'd bet escalation from here is a certainty.
At least one side doesn't give a single solitary fuck about their populace or that of their allies. The US treasury 10 year bond will break a recent record when smart investors cogitate how nuts the decision makers in this freak show truly are. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:39:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell we could have had the Navy emplace charges weeks after the pipeline was laid and remote detonated whenever it was necessary. I am not saying we did or that is how but it is not a far fetched concept. I don't think Ukraine has the ability to do this. I guess anyone could hire an energy services company, they certainly have the ability, I don't know if they would do it...maybe but I doubt it. That leaves a few other European navies, and the US. The US has the most experience with deep sea exploitation of infrastructure. We have built multiple dedicated submarines for the job. This is kinda wild, I have no idea what really happened but if it's both pipelines the chance that it's random failure is approaching zero. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:43:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:44:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's definitely leaking. Danish F16s overflew the area (near the Danish island of Bornholm) and reportedly saw "bubbling" on the surface. Definitely want to be mindful when flying over stuff like that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:46:11 AM EDT
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Didn't Russia already stop shipping gas through that pipeline months ago?
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:47:21 AM EDT
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Well, that must have been one big ass fart.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:47:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely want to be mindful when flying over stuff like that. Plus that will look awesome at night!  On the plus side those F16s got really good mileage while they were loitering
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:49:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I was betting money I'd bet escalation from here is a certainty. At least one side doesn't give a single solitary fuck about their populace or that of their allies. The US treasury 10 year bond will break a recent record when smart investors cogitate how nuts the decision makers in this freak show truly are. Broken. US 10 year bond 3.92 and rising. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:51:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As you know methane is a major greenhouse gas. Best to flare it. Plus that will look awesome at night! Plus one for that. I remember that the Brits dropped napalm on a oil slick from a tanker that had broken up off the coast of Franch to burn off as much of the oil while it was still at sea before it reached the English Coast. When in Doubt?? Kill It With Fire!!!  Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:54:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 9:59:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Video of bubbles here.
Quoted: https://64.media.tumblr.com/3000517d5d4ec1ba92ca7eda8c966315/tumblr_p0a6msQfn41wzw0ebo1_500.gifv Quoted:  Thread Winner right there!!!  Bigger_Hammer |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:00:53 AM EDT
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If there's a gas leak about half way in the sea, doesn't that mean someone's getting gas delivered? I'd assume the Russian's would have just shut off the gas going through the pipeline at Slavyanskaya Compressor Station
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:03:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole pipeline, all 700 miles and 45 inches in diameter of it, drained from 105 bar to 7 bar? Overnight?! That's a helluva leak. That's not how pressure works |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:05:51 AM EDT
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Assume that any such report is propaganda. Lies.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:08:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If there's a gas leak about half way in the sea, doesn't that mean someone's getting gas delivered? I'd assume the Russian's would have just shut off the gas going through the pipeline at Slavyanskaya Compressor Station I'm guessing here but they might keep it pressurized to maintain system integrity and act as a leak detector. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:09:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assume that any such report is propaganda. Lies. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:14:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:14:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:22:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Any of our energy business people shed some light? |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:26:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ummmm....am I the first to think it was likely the US? Removes Russian bargaining chip, teaches the Germans a lesson, increases reliance on the US. Also, we're probably the only interested party that has the technical capability to get it done. Maybe that'll be the Russian claim - "It wasn't us; it was the Yanks!" |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:41:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe that'll be the Russian claim - "It wasn't us; it was the Yanks!" Why not just shut it off? I would think we're beyond caring about contracts and law suits at this point... I'm stuck on this viewpoint..I realize..but I think some element of this administration has a raging hard on for destroying Russia or at least Putin. Not just defending Ukraine. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:42:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just fly real fast through the cloud. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So if you dropped some flares in the plume, what would happen Just fly real fast through the cloud. Like this?  
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:44:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe B1 version is better.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:45:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t think the USA has the capability to sabotage that line? It’s so publicly known that American divers exit via torpedo tubes that the navy has shown how it’s done on tv. And deep diving capabilities even in US commercial business is well known. So why isn’t the US capable of doing this? And the US does what it wants when it wants. This has been exhibited time and time again. Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t think the USA has the capability to sabotage that line? It’s so publicly known that American divers exit via torpedo tubes that the navy has shown how it’s done on tv. And deep diving capabilities even in US commercial business is well known. So why isn’t the US capable of doing this? And the US does what it wants when it wants. This has been exhibited time and time again. Re-read the part in red: And other actors with something to gain (Ukraine, OPEC nations, USA) probably either don’t have the undersea capability to sabotage the line, or are strong enough European allies to probably not want to do this. I mean obviously we have reason to “want” to do this, and we undoubtedly have the capability to do so, but I’d frankly be shocked if Biden made the order to do this unilaterally, without at least tacit approval by German or EU partners. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:46:26 AM EDT
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No US denial?
Bada-boom. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:52:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:56:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:57:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely want to be mindful when flying over stuff like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's definitely leaking. Danish F16s overflew the area (near the Danish island of Bornholm) and reportedly saw "bubbling" on the surface. Definitely want to be mindful when flying over stuff like that. yeah no shit eh |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 10:59:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ummmm....am I the first to think it was likely the US? Removes Russian bargaining chip, teaches the Germans a lesson, increases reliance on the US. Also, we're probably the only interested party that has the technical capability to get it done. China also comes to mind. Widens rift between EU and RU, does long term economic harm to both, doesn't hurt them much at all, encourages Russia to look elsewhere for long term customers. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:09:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, apparently Biden said he'd take out Nord stream:
Looks like we found our saboteur. If I was the international community, I would find those words pretty damning |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:10:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I misunderstand, Russia is the sole source of gas shipped through those pipes. They control the supply. Why not just shut it off? I would think we're beyond caring about contracts and law suits at this point... I'm stuck on this viewpoint..I realize..but I think some element of this administration has a raging hard on for destroying Russia or at least Putin. Not just defending Ukraine. Didn't the Russians have a kill-order out on Soros for undermining the ruble years ago? A lot of the world-wide drama in the last few years does seem to fit his MO. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:16:51 AM EDT
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3 different explosions, one registering a 2.3 richter. Russia already salty about the pipeline and fucking with it, Biden threatened to "shut it down" back in February before we convinced Germany to give it up.
The other major pipeline runs through Ukraine...Russia has a history of fucking with undersea cables with their subs, we have entire deep sea explosives teams constantly engaged in classified training...I'm leaning towards NATO (us), but who really knows. One thing is for sure: Germany is getting fucked
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:16:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like WE shouldn't have put all our eggs in China's basket Bunch of dumb F politicians all over the place! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Should've never put all of their eggs in Putin's basket Just like WE shouldn't have put all our eggs in China's basket Bunch of dumb F politicians all over the place! |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:18:49 AM EDT
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Natural causes
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:22:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: anyone in Europe who thinks they are getting a drop of energy from Russia this winter are the biggest fools in a sea of fools. Not exactly. They will get rebranded gas from russia, from India or China or whoever at a 300% markup. Hooray. 
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:22:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I misunderstand, Russia is the sole source of gas shipped through those pipes. They control the supply. Why not just shut it off? Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I misunderstand, Russia is the sole source of gas shipped through those pipes. They control the supply. Why not just shut it off? If they just shut it off, it makes them the "bad guys". If they sabotage it - and then blame it on the US - it makes the US the "bad guys", and sows division between Europe and America. Quoted: If I was the international community, I would find those words pretty damning Yep - And it gives further credence to any claim the Russians make about the US being responsible for this leak. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:22:26 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Danish government is lying? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Assume that any such report is propaganda. Lies. So's the Rus  Attached Filehttps://www.reuters.com/business/energy/kremlin-sabotage-cannot-be-ruled-out-reason-nord-stream-damage-2022-09-27/ |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:23:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find this a bit…perplexing. Doesn’t make sense for Russia to attack their own pipeline; they can just shut it off (which it sounds like they had more or less done anyway?). Destroying it only takes both leverage and potential much-needed revenue away from them. A genuine accident / unforeseen consequence of shutting it down (or whatever) would seem to be a possibility, but the Germans seem pretty confident it was an intentional attack. And other actors with something to gain (Ukraine, OPEC nations, USA) probably either don’t have the undersea capability to sabotage the line, or are strong enough European allies to probably not want to do this. If they shut it off, it’s a “fuck you” move. If it “breaks”, it’s…  Attached FileTC |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:25:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7 Bar is 101 PSI (7x14.5) , how deep is the pipeline? There's a hole, There's a hole in the bottom of the sea! |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:26:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gonna be a cold winter in Europe, I hope their parlour stoves are ready. No nut coal for you! TC |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:26:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they shut it off, it's a "fuck you" move. If it "breaks", it's https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/197999/4D5FA7ED-02B7-4A4C-9B9E-8BEA79E07FA7_jpe-2541216.JPG TC Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I find this a bit perplexing. Doesn't make sense for Russia to attack their own pipeline; they can just shut it off (which it sounds like they had more or less done anyway?). Destroying it only takes both leverage and potential much-needed revenue away from them. A genuine accident / unforeseen consequence of shutting it down (or whatever) would seem to be a possibility, but the Germans seem pretty confident it was an intentional attack. And other actors with something to gain (Ukraine, OPEC nations, USA) probably either don't have the undersea capability to sabotage the line, or are strong enough European allies to probably not want to do this. If they shut it off, it's a "fuck you" move. If it "breaks", it's https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/197999/4D5FA7ED-02B7-4A4C-9B9E-8BEA79E07FA7_jpe-2541216.JPG TC Nord 1 already shut down in August for Maint - never came back and Russia indicated it wouldn't until "collective west" lifts sanctions |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:27:27 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:27:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they just shut it off, it makes them the "bad guys". If they sabotage it - and then blame it on the US - it makes the US the "bad guys", and sows division between Europe and America. Yep - And it gives further credence to any claim the Russians make about the US being responsible for this leak. Russia is repeatedly threatening to use nuclear weapons - I really don't think they give a fuck about looking like the bad guy. Given their difficulty maintaining or building this type of infrastructure, especially under sanctions, it would not make any sense for them to do it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:30:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is repeatedly threatening to use nuclear weapons - I really don't think they give a fuck about looking like the bad guy. Given their difficulty maintaining or building this type of infrastructure, especially under sanctions, it would not make any sense for them to do it. Definitely the US benefits the most from this pipeline being down. That doesn't definitely mean we did it, but I'm leaning that way until we know more. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:32:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely the US benefits the most from this pipeline being down. That doesn't definitely mean we did it, but I'm leaning that way until we know more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia is repeatedly threatening to use nuclear weapons - I really don't think they give a fuck about looking like the bad guy. Given their difficulty maintaining or building this type of infrastructure, especially under sanctions, it would not make any sense for them to do it. Definitely the US benefits the most from this pipeline being down. That doesn't definitely mean we did it, but I'm leaning that way until we know more. Yeah. Me too.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:33:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:35:16 AM EDT
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With the slowdown (and probably stoppage) of gas out of the fields in Russia, they will be forced to shutdown the wells, or let them be damaged (same thing, really).
This happed before and it took 30 years to get it all working again. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 11:35:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shame no one tried to warn them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Should've never put all of their eggs in Putin's basket Shame no one tried to warn them. |
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