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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:04:39 AM EDT
Bullshit argument.
Mass shooters are merely inconvenienced by having to reload every 10 rounds. Mass shooters tend to carry multiple magazines or even multiple guns But, a family man, likely responds to a bump in the night with a handgun and only the magazine in the gun. If you run out, while shooting someone in self defense... you are *FUCKED*. Your entire family is *FUCKED*. People say, "Oh but that never happens! It always ends in just one or two shots!" Bullshit. Here is a video of some Chinese woman defending herself against THREE ARMED ASSAILANTS. IF you watch closely, her slide locks back on an empty chamber. Had the intruders decided to stay and play, she would have assuredly, been fucked. In that situation, I sure as hell wouldn't want my wife to be armed with anything less than an AR15.  VIDEO: Georgia woman shoots robbers, kills one |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:08:04 AM EDT
[#1]
well in a perfect world no one would ever attack any one ever
We don't live in that world pass me my beta mag 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:37:14 AM EDT
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That's why no cops in the entire country carry neutered magazines when they could carry standard capacity.
...and they have backup and radios and vests and patrol rifles and full auto... |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:38:16 AM EDT
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That's why no cops in the entire country carry neutered magazines when they could carry standard capacity. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:41:28 AM EDT
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Nysp have 10 round pistols and pump shotguns |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:44:28 AM EDT
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Sadly, I hear family members stating this argument.
I do the math: average 'knockdown your door' group = 4. Average rounds in bad guy until 'stop' = 3. Average rounds on target = 1 out of 2. =24. In order to adequately defend myself & my home I require a minimum of 24 rounds. Which is one of the reasons for a full extra magazine on hand always. Along with an AR15 which affords me 30 rounds until reload. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:44:41 AM EDT
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Nysp have 10 round pistols and pump shotguns Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's why no cops in the entire country carry neutered magazines when they could carry standard capacity. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:48:30 AM EDT
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Columbine. 'Nuff said.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:50:40 AM EDT
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The whole 10 round limit is just mission creep BS.
Makes criminals out of the unsuspecting innocent. Gives politician and policymakers a feel good talking point they can hold up to voters. Next go-around its again reduced as a end run to make most guns illegal by design. Anyone intent on doing mass harm to the public is not going to be inconvenienced by a stupid mag change. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:55:17 AM EDT
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Yet, in many threads arguing AR vs Shotgun some members of GD have made this very argument.
They claim the 30round AR capacity is irrelevant for home defense because everything will be over in a few shots. It's almost as if not every member of GD is a rootin, tootin pisterlaro after all. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 7:57:35 AM EDT
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As soon as the military, police, SS, etc start carrying ten round magazines then we can talk...
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:00:00 AM EDT
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I love it when people who don't know Jack shit about guns want to tell me how many rounds is adequate to defend my life.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:01:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And silly little hats. You can't forget the silly little hats with the purple band that look sized for children. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:02:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they carry the Glock 37 (Wiki says they do) .45 GAP, 10 rounds is standard capacity. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:03:04 AM EDT
[#14]
Until you face a crazed attacker high on PCP.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:04:03 AM EDT
[#15]
Time to pack a brace of pistols.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:04:24 AM EDT
[#16]
So then why do LEO need high capacity magazines? Or full auto?
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:04:35 AM EDT
[#17]
10 for you 30 for me, maybe I'll have 20 spares but it'll be ok not like the stuff goes bad
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:04:39 AM EDT
[#18]
Any nobody needs to travel over 15mph to get where they're going either. Speed kills
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:04:57 AM EDT
[#19]
Dual wielding FTW!
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:05:09 AM EDT
[#20]
Stupid argument from the left. Will any criminal only use low cap magazines? Nope. These laws only affect law abiding citizens.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:05:50 AM EDT
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Time to pack a brace of pistols.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:06:59 AM EDT
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I'm a bad shot so I need 60.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:08:25 AM EDT
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I'm a bad shot so I need 60. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:08:37 AM EDT
[#24]
The other side doesn't care about your logic and facts. Proceed accordingly.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:09:31 AM EDT
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I was told you lie about even owning any guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a bad shot so I need 60. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:09:41 AM EDT
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Until you face a crazed attacker high on PCP. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:11:09 AM EDT
[#27]
A better argument is pistols aren't that effective. Google the essay written by the cop who shot some guy two dozen times and now walks around with some ridiculous amount of mags
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:12:32 AM EDT
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That's why no cops in the entire country carry neutered magazines when they could carry standard capacity. ...and they have backup and radios and vests and patrol rifles and full auto... |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:14:09 AM EDT
[#29]
10 rd limit? no problem, fuck your gun control..do this with 3-4 auto pistols. gun goes empty, drop it and draw another one.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:18:22 AM EDT
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Nysp have 10 round pistols and pump shotguns |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:21:01 AM EDT
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Because the bad guy always goes down after being hit.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:22:19 AM EDT
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They don't, but they should. Gov agencies should have the same restrictions placed on the citizens. Same goes for bodyguards and security of public officials. there are some RRA carbines but I don't think there are many |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:26:50 AM EDT
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Yet, in many threads arguing AR vs Shotgun some members of GD have made this very argument. They claim the 30round AR capacity is irrelevant for home defense because everything will be over in a few shots. It's almost as if not every member of GD is a rootin, tootin pisterlaro after all. Recoil, capacity, ability to reload quickly all played a factor in my “mind change” |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:28:45 AM EDT
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Read up on the shot count by the SAS unit taking back the Iranian Embassy.
Counter argument for the 10-rd crowd? Well, I better buy another couple of 10-rd capacity guns then, for some "New York Reloads" = that IS what you want, sugarbear/snowflake, more guns but with a lower magazine capacity!! |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:45:25 AM EDT
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"No one needs more than 10 rounds to defend themselves" Bullshit argument. Thomas Jefferson said so. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:53:45 AM EDT
[#36]
Embed please?
https://youtu.be/7F1nPSNnaBo |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:55:27 AM EDT
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When you are right, your right. Recoil, capacity, ability to reload quickly all played a factor in my “mind change” Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yet, in many threads arguing AR vs Shotgun some members of GD have made this very argument. They claim the 30round AR capacity is irrelevant for home defense because everything will be over in a few shots. It's almost as if not every member of GD is a rootin, tootin pisterlaro after all. Recoil, capacity, ability to reload quickly all played a factor in my “mind change” 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:56:49 AM EDT
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Bullshit argument. Mass shooters are merely inconvenienced by having to reload every 10 rounds. Mass shooters tend to carry multiple magazines or even multiple guns But, a family man, likely responds to a bump in the night with a handgun and only the magazine in the gun. If you run out, while shooting someone in self defense... you are *FUCKED*. Your entire family is *FUCKED*. People say, "Oh but that never happens! It always ends in just one or two shots!" Bullshit. Here is a video of some Chinese woman defending herself against THREE ARMED ASSAILANTS. IF you watch closely, her slide locks back on an empty chamber. Had the intruders decided to stay and play, she would have assuredly, been fucked. In that situation, I sure as hell wouldn't want my wife to be armed with anything less than an AR15.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A804A3WAbB0Do you want everyone walking around like The Duke from Boondock Saints because I know I would. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:02:17 AM EDT
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Sadly, I hear family members stating this argument. I do the math: average 'knockdown your door' group = 4. Average rounds in bad guy until 'stop' = 3. Average rounds on target = 1 out of 2. =24. In order to adequately defend myself & my home I require a minimum of 24 rounds. Which is one of the reasons for a full extra magazine on hand always. Along with an AR15 which affords me 30 rounds until reload. but you'd probably have to listen to their BS anyway. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:02:28 AM EDT
[#40]
Honestly the logical argument of the OP fails. If the school or mass attacker is not hampered in their efforts by having to take the time to reload, how is the private citizen overwhelmingly hampered by having to possibly reload?
I'm not saying I agree with limitations, but one can't argue that it does not hinder criminals but does hinder honest folks. It may well hinder both or neither but not one and not the other. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:03:45 AM EDT
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Every Federal Circuit Court of Appeals which has considered the question has agreed.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:03:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Sadly, I hear family members stating this argument. I do the math: average 'knockdown your door' group = 4. Average rounds in bad guy until 'stop' = 3. Average rounds on target = 1 out of 2. =24. In order to adequately defend myself & my home I require a minimum of 24 rounds. Which is one of the reasons for a full extra magazine on hand always. Along with an AR15 which affords me 30 rounds until reload. It has a 40 round mag in it.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:14:43 AM EDT
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Honestly the logical argument of the OP fails. If the school or mass attacker is not hampered in their efforts by having to take the time to reload, how is the private citizen overwhelmingly hampered by having to possibly reload? I'm not saying I agree with limitations, but one can't argue that it does not hinder criminals but does hinder honest folks. It may well hinder both or neither but not one and not the other. Even with the ARFcom crowd, I'd venture a guess that the huge majority of us aren't sitting around at night in a tac vest with a full combat load waiting for some asshole to kick in the back door. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:21:02 AM EDT
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Honestly the logical argument of the OP fails. If the school or mass attacker is not hampered in their efforts by having to take the time to reload, how is the private citizen overwhelmingly hampered by having to possibly reload? I'm not saying I agree with limitations, but one can't argue that it does not hinder criminals but does hinder honest folks. It may well hinder both or neither but not one and not the other. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:21:47 AM EDT
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2nd A #1 purpose is so the populous is as well armed as the govt, as a safe guard against tyranny
AS WELL ARMED! 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:23:26 AM EDT
[#46]
and I'm over here thinking I should grab a 60 round drum for my hd rifle.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:27:41 AM EDT
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Newscasts are restricted to 1 hour per day per network.
Newspapers and websites are restricted to 10000 words per day. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:32:34 AM EDT
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It's a fundamental lack of understanding of terminal ballistics from too much TV, where hardened terrorists crumple instantaneously after being shot once in the lung with a pistol.
In real life, however, the FBI says: "With the exceptions of hits to the brain or upper spinal cord, the concept of reliable and reproducible immediate incapacitation of the human target by gunshot wounds to the torso is a myth." "There is sufficient oxygen within the brain to support full, voluntary action for 10-15 seconds after the heart has been destroyed." Liberals think we want 10 bullets to just hit someone and we're spraying and praying, hence the oft-repeated moronic "If you need more than 10 rounds, you need to go back to the firing range!"
In reality, after you've put a few rounds center mass in the guy, the rest of the mag is basically "suppressive fire" until he goes down. Restricting a mass shooter to 10 rounds would do nothing. Most choose confined, populated spaces that are difficult to escape. Despite the oft-repeated "but more mag changes means more opportunities to tackle the shooter," that very very rarely happens. Even then, shooters will simply pick targets less likely to do so: elderly people, children, etc. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:34:36 AM EDT
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I’ll take “when people that don’t know jack shit about what they’re talking about pontificate about how I should have to handle life or death situations” for $500, Alex.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 9:34:49 AM EDT
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Honestly the logical argument of the OP fails. If the school or mass attacker is not hampered in their efforts by having to take the time to reload, how is the private citizen overwhelmingly hampered by having to possibly reload? I'm not saying I agree with limitations, but one can't argue that it does not hinder criminals but does hinder honest folks. It may well hinder both or neither but not one and not the other. |
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