I hear you about the rifle money. When I ordered mine I was pretty mad at myself for being weak. Then I shot it and all of that regret went away. Then I spent damn near another 700 buying parts and a rmr.

Who doesn't want a longer barrel.

Anyone who has shot a 1301 tactical.

True, but it also serves no useful purpose on a Tactical.  Without viable alternatives (the Briley hand guard looks neat, but it's big money, and some say quite heavy), I get why Aridus uses the Magpul that is available.  But all things being equal, "no bump" would be better all around.

Given some of the "why did Magpul make THAT?" products, making a 1301 hand guard seems like an easy choice for them.

That was a joke son, get it  "longer barrel".  
I have a 1301 tactical and I love it,  but I would still like to have a longer barrel.   Pecker/ Dick.

I'll pass on this gun.

Great.  Now I want a 1301 Tactical w/pistol grip.

Any info on the cyclic rate of this new shotgun vs. the 1301?

I haven’t seen any yet. We should know by this time next Tuesday if not before once SHOT show gets underway.

It'll be an awesome shotgun. I know because every time I find myself in a position where I can't afford something on my gun wishlist, it magically appears and it's glorious lol.  

Will you adopt me, please?

Try the Sig 320 configurator sometime. Your head will pop off (just like Sig handguns unexpectedly do).

This.... between this and the rumored HK compact, GD is gonna cost me money again...

Since people don’t read even the thread I’ll just make something up. $900

So the fastest I can shoot a 1301 and get hits is with .19 splits.

The fastest I could shoot this gun and get his was with... .19 splits.

The fastest I've seen a 1301 cycle is .13, and that was in the hands of a Beretta employee who shot Lord knows how many rounds through them and was basically bouncing the trigger.

Suffice it to say that unless you are running a 1301 back to back with this gun you won't really be able to notice much of a difference in recoil or how fast it cycles.

Worse comes to worst, I have a 1301 PG stock in my closet collecting dust.  We can work something out.

I called Beretta support to ask how to identify the different 1301 gens and they had no idea since the catalog doesn't call them that.  Their product management is weird.

Is it confirmed that it is semi auto at a cheaper price or could it be a pump action and that’s why it is so much cheaper?

Have you seen Glock's naming convention?

I've shot it.

It's a semi-auto.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?51302-Beretta-1301-Modification-amp-Reference

There are really only 2 generations of guns because there are only 2 receivers. The 2nd gen receiver is a little longer and has the serial number moved to a different spot.

2nd generation guns can be had in all manner of configurations. LE configs with no screw-in chokes, and commercial configs with Beretta's screw in choke system on the barrel.

So Beretta is jealous over all of the money Langdon Tactical was making doing this exact mod on the 1301 and want in on it?

I am in.

I own one shotgun and they're all Beretta.

My 1301:

The dressed up 1301 in the original post is just that.  No one has released a money shot of the new one yet.  Appears to have the same mag extension/clamp as a 1301 though.

LOL.

LTT's model was buying 1301's from Beretta and then the parts from Aridus and then assembling them and selling them with markup.

Then they ripped off Aridus' products with GG&G.

The picture in the OP is a 1301 wearing Aridus and Magpul accessories. Because the Aridus parts are better looking and handle much better, frankly. The GG&G side saddle is a fucking abortion next to the Aridus QDC.

The new shotgun isn't out there in pictures yet. The 1301 pictured in the OP ain't the new gun.

I've shot the new gun. It's nice.

I am interested in your experience/ opinion.  Is the new Shotgun going to be a good alternative to 1301?  Usability/ durability? Is it shorter LOP?

I won't be putting 1000 shells each month, more like 100/ year, had interest in 1301 but this new one might be just the ticket, if it's "just as good".

Okay...

Dumb question, but if the performance is the same, but the new gun is cheaper, why would the 1301 have continued interest? Is there a quality difference or something?

Re releasing the ARX? Please baby Jesus please. With a better handguard.

Ever been to a Turkish prison?

Is the Accokeek Maryland Plant not producing guns anymore?

There are people who think West German Sigs are the best and the American guns suck. They even pay a premium for them.

West German Sigs are commie style cheap as abso-fucking-lutely possible welded together stampings with the biggest dumbshit fucktarded engineering fail called a two piece breech. They shit the bed in as little as 3,000 rounds in some instances and are not repairable as the guns beat themselves to death and break the frame rails off.

And those people will stare you dead in the eye and tell you a forged and machined one piece slide is inferior.

People are weird like that. That said, $1000 for the design sold as lesser or $1200 for the 1301? That’s a pretty big fail. I’d say it needs to be in the $500-$700 range to be popular. Any more and it really won’t make sense to not get the Beretta, assuming this is intended as a cheaper option.

I want a 1301 but can’t see the value

After owning the 1301t I’d rather have the comp. For the larger receiver, But with an 18” barrel option available

Thanks.  This new one is sounding better and better especially at the lower price point.  Looking forward to pics in this thread next week!

I already have a 1301T. Now I just want a slim Mlok handguard for it that isn’t plastic.

That's surprising, GG&G usually makes excellent stuff.

That plant closed approx 8 years ago after MD passed more BS anti gun laws. Get with the times gramps!

Unfortunately Beretta kept its US HQ, Admin staff and I believe clothing and soft goods e-commerce warehouse in Accokeek. I haven’t bought an over priced Beretta tshirt in a while. Can anyone confirm they are still shipped from MD?

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Wasn't there a fire there also?

Huh, I missed that one, Thanks Junior....
You kids and this new fangled internet....

I had to look it up. There was a fire in 2015 that did $250k worth of damage. It’s worth noting that the announcement to leave Maryland over draconian Gun laws was made in 2014 before the fire.

I have a weird attraction to the AK shotgun.

The new shotgun will be a good alternative to the 1301. It's operating system is not quite as good as a 1301's, but it's still a sufficiently great gun that nobody will notice a difference. I ran it with everything from low recoil FFC to magnum shells and it gave none of the fucks. The gas system on the 1301 is a more refined design, but this one uses a very durable and proven design from Beretta's catalog that has killed untold millions of birds in all kinds of conditions over the decades.

Manufacturers tend to have their controls standardized within their lineup. So anyone who is familiar with a Beretta semi-auto will be able to pick one of these up and use it with no problem. I've run 1301's for years now and when I picked this gun up all the controls were the same and in the same place.

LOP is my one gripe with the gun. It's going to come set up like the 1301 from the factory with a 13" LOP. Which is nice...but I don't think it's able to be adapted to the Magpul SGA. I don't know that for certain because I didn't take the stock off, but that'd be my guess. That would be my only real gripe.



It's a very good shotgun, at least based on my time running the prototypes. I'll be buying one to run as a loaner in classes.

So I don't have all the details, but from my perspective the desirability of the 1301 remains because as both guns come from the factory the 1301 is more easily adaptable to smaller people. The 1301 can be Aridus'd and that reduces LOP and makes the gun much better for smaller people, especially ladies. I keep yelling into the void that we need 11" and even shorter stocks on the market so that women and people who wear body armor can actually use a fucking shotgun properly.

As yet nobody gives a fuck what I think.

I also teach running the gun differently than most. I teach getting the gun on your chest, not on your shoulder if you can. Because your pec is a lot better at dealing with 12 gauge recoil than your shoulder joint. Alas, most shotguns come with stocks too long for that.

Beretta has a better factory setup than most because they use a 13" instead of 14" or Benelli's incredibly stupid 14.5" The Aridus SGA adapter takes it down to 12.5" which doesn't sound like much but is the difference between smaller people being able to run the gun well and not being able to run it at all.

The other thing the 1301 has going for it is the Blink operating system which is probably the most reliable system extent with the widest range of ammunition possible. I mean, my last private client accidentally bought Winchester AA Low Recoil/Low Noise 7/8 ounce loads to run in his brand new 1301 and the gun cycled that stuff for all but three shots. On those three it stovepiped which was easily cleared. You try that with a Benelli and you now have a really inefficient pump gun.

The only ammo I've seen the 1301 not be able to run is beanbag less lethals.

This new shotgun probably won't have the operational margin to still cycle almost all the time with those loads intended for over and unders used on civilized clay ranges. But it does work with Federal Flight Control without problem and it still allows you to use 3" magnum shells without beating the gun or you to death. And that's plenty good for most needs.

The 1301 is still what it is: The most reliable semi-automatic defensive shotgun on the market. It will run like a raped ape with practically anything you stuff into it with little lubrication. It will function reliably through thousands of shells without cleaning. It's the gold standard for a defensive shotgun...and that's why I own two of them.

This new gun will not have the same operating system, but still cycles reliably with a wide range of ammunition you would actually want to use, still runs through thousands of shells without needing cleaning, etc. It's somewhere between 85 and 95% of the 1301 at a lower cost.

I will speculate on the lower price is likely to be around $900. The key difference is that this new, cheaper tactical semiauto shotgun from Beretta will be made in the USA from Italian made parts. 1301 Shotguns are imported as complete guns from Italy with a 11% excise tax right off the bat
. If Beretta is as savy as I know they are they will import minimally unfinished parts (within the letter of the law) from Italy and finish them in the US. I will speculate further that non-union labor in Gallatin, TN is cheaper than unionized labor in Gardone Val Trompia, Italy. When you add in the high energy prices that John_Wayne777 mentioned it starts to make more sense. The US is the undisputed leader in fire sales to the civilian firearms market.

They have a facility there but it's just offices, now...and I'm not sure how many are still there. Production has shifted entirely to Gallatin, TN.

...the above is more in line with where I'm expecting the price point on the 1301 to settle, unfortunately.

The price difference between the two guns will be significant.

Because Drums

Have you shot one?  I can't think of a more dominant CQB weapon platform. it is not as versatile as an M4 or Mk18 type AR, but at inside distances, it is hard to beat.