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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:51:54 PM EDT
Pretty much all of our turbo engines have NGK IR's in them
The service interval for these plugs are 45,000 miles for our turbo engines Customer decided to go about 50,000 miles over that limit. And one of them went boom, finger broke off, I'm amazed one of these plugs did not die sooner And while the finger was bouncing around on the inside of the combustion chamber, it damaged the face of the direct injector along with pitting the face of the piston, so I have to replace that injector to, borescopes are handy Which means I have to replace a whole bunch of one-time-use components. So for labor 0.5hrs for the spark plugs that are $20 a piece 3hrs and about $200 for a whole bunch of injector seals, a high pressure fuel pipe and new mounting bolts that secure the delivery rail to the cylinder head. And finally a intake gasket and throttle body gasket because it is buried underneath it All in all a little over $1,000 customer pay "doesn't warranty cover that?" Only if don't neglect your maintenance 
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:53:24 PM EDT
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Noted
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:53:29 PM EDT
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rekt
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:55:55 PM EDT
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But if they could afford maintenance they wouldn't have bought a kia
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:56:15 PM EDT
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He's lucky that's all the damage there is.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:56:19 PM EDT
[#5]
$20 per plug?
Youre right, Ill make sure to do it myself on time. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 12:59:27 PM EDT
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Sparkplugs don't have fingers.....I assume you are talking about the ground electrode came off? they don't fall off either, if it came off it is either a defective plug or that cylinder went into detonation....
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:01:42 PM EDT
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Sparkplugs don't have fingers.....I assume you are talking about the ground electrode came off? they don't fall off either, if it came off it is either a defective plug or that cylinder went into detonation.... 
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:02:07 PM EDT
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GD:
"wait, you have to change your spark plugs?" "I've got 275k on my vehicle and I've never changed them!" "I knew a guy once who changed his plugs at 50k miles and the engine died at 300k, don't change your plugs!" "I change mine every 10k miles on my daily driver....can never be too careful!" |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:02:50 PM EDT
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$20 per plug?
Youre right, Ill make sure to do it myself on time. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:03:12 PM EDT
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What if your turbo doesn’t have spark plugs?
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:04:15 PM EDT
[#11]
Real Engines don’t have spark plugs. Laughs in diesel.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:04:57 PM EDT
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What if your turbo doesn’t have spark plugs?
But there is a type of engine that does have a turbo and does not have spark plugs, it's called a turbo diesel engine
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:05:26 PM EDT
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Guy i know bought his son a f150 with a EcoBoost motor.
I asked him have you ever changed the plugs or oil at the recommended time. His answer was "No why should i."
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:05:34 PM EDT
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He better be thankful it didnt make it into the turbine housing and destroy the turbo.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:05:35 PM EDT
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Real Engines don’t have spark plugs. Laughs in diesel. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:05:36 PM EDT
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That’s a useful PSA. Plugs are so reliable, you just don’t think about them anymore.
..you figure you might change them when you get a rough running engine, but don’t consider the fact that they could break off and rattle around your cylinder and valves, causing untold havoc. Thanks lp! |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:06:18 PM EDT
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So the NGK IR plugs into my 08 Nissan that went 105k were outliers? Or maybe it’s because Kia builds shit
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You knew what I meant
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:07:02 PM EDT
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Should've just reused the fuel system components to save the customer a buck...
... so they could experience Korean BBQ later.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:07:14 PM EDT
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Thanks for the reminder. I put mine off at 60,000 and need to get off my ass and get it done.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:07:47 PM EDT
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He better be thankful it didnt make it into the turbine housing and destroy the turbo. Having the turbine or compressor out of balance is very bad long-term |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:08:18 PM EDT
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So the NGK IR plugs into my 08 Nissan that went 105k were outliers? Or maybe it’s because Kia builds shit
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:08:57 PM EDT
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Trump’s fault
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:10:18 PM EDT
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$20 per plug?
Youre right, Ill make sure to do it myself on time. That was the price from the part store. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enjoy your D E F and particulate filter issues |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:13:15 PM EDT
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Can’t find the spark plugs in my truck for the life of me so screw it
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:14:32 PM EDT
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Hopefully it is just stuck in one of the little passages of the catalytic converter and avoided licking one of the blades. Having the turbine or compressor out of balance is very bad long-term Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He better be thankful it didnt make it into the turbine housing and destroy the turbo. Having the turbine or compressor out of balance is very bad long-term 
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:15:51 PM EDT
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That's not the problem, the problem is it sounds like you have not properly diagnosed out the failure...electrodes do not just fall off... I can go on and on about all the little details on this particular RO But GD does not have the patience for it Anything over a paragraph for so long and people just go TOO LONG DIDN'T READ LOL!!!1 Coils are fine and so is the engine compression as well |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:17:13 PM EDT
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So the NGK IR plugs into my 08 Nissan that went 105k were outliers? Or maybe it’s because Kia builds shit |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:18:29 PM EDT
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I was having some issues with shakes while at idle on my eco boost at around 40k. Properly gapped and changed the plugs and that all went away.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:19:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm, better check the engine layout, but the catalytic converter is normally after the turbo. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, there's a bunch of other things I have not explained, like the fact that they decided to drive about 20 miles with a misfire along with the fact that it has had poor fuel economy for many thousands of miles, also they changed to a new spark plug design because some would have the ceramic shatter around the center electrode, this car was built before that update was put in place on the production line, which is one reason why we went from a 60k interval to a 45k after the issues from 2011 to 2015 I can go on and on about all the little details on this particular RO But GD does not have the patience for it Anything over a paragraph for so long and people just go TOO LONG DIDN'T READ LOL!!!1 |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:28:25 PM EDT
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A misfire did not cause the electrode to fall off....facts are pointing out a problem if you don't ignore them..porcelains don't crack for no reason either....All of those clues and you still don't see the failure.... So if the coil is fine, compression is on spec, and what do you think it is? Only having one cylinder having an issue? it's got 93 octane top tier gasoline in it, injector pulse off of the harness from the PCM looks normal Perhaps the injector died first causing detonation issues and a misfire for a while and then the plug decided to call it quits, there's also no gouges to face of the cylinder head, I really love borescopes |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:28:25 PM EDT
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Umm, better check the engine layout, but the catalytic converter is normally after the turbo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He better be thankful it didnt make it into the turbine housing and destroy the turbo. Having the turbine or compressor out of balance is very bad long-term |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:29:00 PM EDT
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Not on this engine, it is what I like to call a turbofold Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Umm, better check the engine layout, but the catalytic converter is normally after the turbo. If all of the gas doesn't go through the turbo, you don't build boost. So the cat is before the turbo? |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:29:25 PM EDT
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Thanks for the reminder OP. I need to throw a set at my Tundra this weekend.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A what? If all of the gas doesn't go through the turbo, you don't build boost. So the cat is before the turbo? |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:30:45 PM EDT
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If you call it a finger and not an electrode, I don't really want you working on my anything.
Edit: Unless that's a Kia technical term, which with Kia, it very well could be. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As to the porcelain cracking issue apparently that was a manufacturing flaw per NGK themselves, new plugs have a raised collar to help protect it So if the coil is fine, compression is on spec, and what do you think it is? Only having one cylinder having an issue? it's got 93 octane top tier gasoline in it, injector pulse off of the harness from the PCM looks normal Perhaps the injector died first causing detonation issues and a misfire for a while and then the plug decided to call it quits, there's also no gouges to face of the cylinder head, I really love borescopes |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:33:47 PM EDT
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Put up a pic of the spark plug.... 
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:34:25 PM EDT
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Pretty much all of our turbo engines have NGK IR's in them The service interval for these plugs are 45,000 miles for our turbo engines Customer decided to go about 50,000 miles over that limit. And one of them went boom, finger broke off, I'm amazed one of these plugs did not die sooner And while the finger was bouncing around on the inside of the combustion chamber, it damaged the face of the direct injector along with pitting the face of the piston, so I have to replace that injector to, borescopes are handy Which means I have to replace a whole bunch of one-time-use components. So for labor 0.5hrs for the spark plugs that are $20 a piece 3hrs and about $200 for a whole bunch of injector seals, a high pressure fuel pipe and new mounting bolts that secure the delivery rail to the cylinder head. And finally a intake gasket and throttle body gasket because it is buried underneath it All in all a little over $1,000 customer pay "doesn't warranty cover that?" Only if don't neglect your maintenance |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:34:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As to the porcelain cracking issue apparently that was a manufacturing flaw per NGK themselves, new plugs have a raised collar to help protect it So if the coil is fine, compression is on spec, and what do you think it is? Only having one cylinder having an issue? it's got 93 octane top tier gasoline in it, injector pulse off of the harness from the PCM looks normal Perhaps the injector died first causing detonation issues and a misfire for a while and then the plug decided to call it quits, there's also no gouges to face of the cylinder head, I really love borescopes The fix was a very special set of spark plugs made just for that motor that were in the neighborhood of $40 each last I checked, which was about 2009. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:34:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:35:57 PM EDT
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Real Engines don’t have spark plugs. Laughs in diesel. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:37:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:38:59 PM EDT
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I'm not so sure that it broke more that it melted. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: user name is ironic..... |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:41:20 PM EDT
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Our naturally aspirated engines go all the way up to 100k, only are turbo engines are different Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the NGK IR plugs into my 08 Nissan that went 105k were outliers? Or maybe it's because Kia builds shit This is on the other hand  Attached Filehttps://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/03/25/i-team-nissan-drivers-outraged-about-rust-problems-beneath-their-feet/ Nissan has its own issues |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:42:02 PM EDT
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Put up a pic of the spark plug.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/391660/20191031_100508-1143764.jpg |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:43:30 PM EDT
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Everything is a diesel if you are brave enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: user name is ironic.....
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