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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:02:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Sucks when those union democrats get what they voted for.
Kharn |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:02:51 PM EDT
[#2]
No reference link?
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:07:38 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sucks when those union democrats get what they voted for. Kharn No they didnt |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:09:47 PM EDT
[#4]
But hey, no more mean tweets! Amirite?
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:09:53 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted: All those that have been sitting on 50-100 year old furnaces are going to feel that sting. [and yes, there are WAY more gas converted coal octopus furnaces out there then people think.] I wish I could have put ''I Did This'' poopy pant stickers on each and every letter that went out. I'm always amazed at the number of people that still have those. It's such an easy way to save money. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:15:28 PM EDT
[#6]
Gonna be lots of people of north who freeze to death this winter.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:26:03 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No reference link? They mailed letters out to their customers. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:26:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gonna be lots of people of north who freeze to death this winter. More and more it's going to feel like a feature and not a bug. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They mailed letters out to their customers. Provider? I haven't got anything from DTE. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:31:42 PM EDT
[#10]
It is Consumers or DTE mailing out notices? Do you have a picture of the letter?
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:37:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is Consumers or DTE mailing out notices? Do you have a picture of the letter? Consumers. I got mine last week, tossed it but I knew a significant increase was coming. I won't be affected much as I have a smaller house with good insulation and windows and a 96% efficient 2 stage ECM drive furnace. My average daily cost is .65 cents for the actual gas cost. I know a LOT of my customers though that have big old leaky houses and very old crap furnaces and they are going to be paying a lot more. I've been telling them for years they really need to upgrade but if it runs, it stays. Of course when they start getting their new bills, all of them will be trying to get replacement furnace costs and now is a VERY bad time to do so. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:44:15 PM EDT
[#12]
Comrades should just wear more clothes to save our planet.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:50:57 PM EDT
[#13]
It's a perfect time to get a parlor stove that burns nut coal.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:55:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a perfect time to get a parlor stove that burns nut coal. when one fuel goes up, the others follow. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:55:34 PM EDT
[#15]
Prices are going up 30-50% in Maine too.
My brother just got a place that has a heat pump + wood pellet stove. Cheapest way to warm your house. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 6:58:53 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a perfect time to get a parlor stove that burns nut coal. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:08:02 PM EDT
[#17]
Nat Gas is up from $2-3 MCF to $4-5
in 2007-2008 it was around $8 MCF and then dropped like a rock to the $2-3 till now. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:08:48 PM EDT
[#18]
I’m preparing for +$4.00 p/gal propane this winter. Already eying replacing furnace with a Mitsubishi heat-pump.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:17:28 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m preparing for +$4.00 p/gal propane this winter. Already eying replacing furnace with a Mitsubishi heat-pump. What model? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:18:39 PM EDT
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If only we could build some sort of a large, metallic tube-like structures that could somehow move fuels to where they are needed.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:24:31 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Comrades should just wear more clothes to save our planet. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:30:43 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we could build some sort of a large, metallic tube-like structures that could somehow move fuels to where they are needed. Go on…. My propane is up roughly 75% since last time I filled up. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:41:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Vlad will gladly send tankers full of LNG to the East Coast.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:43:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we could build some sort of a large, metallic tube-like structures that could somehow move fuels to where they are needed. Inconceivable!!!!! |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:46:21 PM EDT
[#25]
Say Thank You Pedo Joe!
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:51:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: All those that have been sitting on 50-100 year old furnaces are going to feel that sting. [and yes, there are WAY more gas converted coal octopus furnaces out there then people think.] I wish I could have put ''I Did This'' poopy pant stickers on each and every letter that went out. Wow that's crazy. Thought they'd all be gone by now. Back in the 1970's I worked for a heating and air conditioner company and we replaced countless octopuses, but they were all oil conversions then due to a moratorium on gas units . |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:58:09 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow that's crazy. Thought they'd all be gone by now. Back in the 1970's I worked for a heating and air conditioner company and we replaced countless octopuses, but they were all oil conversions then due to a moratorium on gas units . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All those that have been sitting on 50-100 year old furnaces are going to feel that sting. [and yes, there are WAY more gas converted coal octopus furnaces out there then people think.] I wish I could have put ''I Did This'' poopy pant stickers on each and every letter that went out. Wow that's crazy. Thought they'd all be gone by now. Back in the 1970's I worked for a heating and air conditioner company and we replaced countless octopuses, but they were all oil conversions then due to a moratorium on gas units . It's nuts, especially when they think you are going to pull out some 1925 era mechanical bi metallic safety from your ass to repair it or find some cast iron burner that has finally cracked or rusted out. You'll see one that went from coal to fuel oil to natural gas with bricks piled around the burner to simulate a coal pile. What kills them financially is that a lot of them are coated and covered with friable asbestos and become nightmares if a replacement is professionally done correctly. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 7:59:46 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's nuts, especially when they think you are going to pull out some 1925 era mechanical bi metallic safety from your ass to repair it or find some cast iron burner that has finally cracked or rusted out. You'll see one that went from coal to fuel oil to natural gas with bricks piled around the burner to simulate a coal pile. How hard are they to replace? I'd imagine you need ductwork as well. What's that run? Last house I did I paid $8900 for a furnace, AC and flex duct. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:02:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prices are going up 30-50% in Maine too. My brother just got a place that has a heat pump + wood pellet stove. Cheapest way to warm your house. My parents in PA are getting a 25% increase. Of course, they voted for it. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:03:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How hard are they to replace? I'd imagine you need ductwork as well. What's that run? Last house I did I paid $8900 for a furnace, AC and flex duct. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's nuts, especially when they think you are going to pull out some 1925 era mechanical bi metallic safety from your ass to repair it or find some cast iron burner that has finally cracked or rusted out. You'll see one that went from coal to fuel oil to natural gas with bricks piled around the burner to simulate a coal pile. How hard are they to replace? I'd imagine you need ductwork as well. What's that run? Last house I did I paid $8900 for a furnace, AC and flex duct. They aren't getting any cheaper, that's for sure. But yes, they usually are quite expensive to remove. Most still don't have blowers, they just use the old ''heat rises, cold drops'' convection method. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:08:47 PM EDT
[#31]
Democrats hate America's energy industry.
Thankfully, they're working on new voting machines that are solar powered. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:11:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Thank Nancy Polydent Pelosi and Joseph Pisspants Biden!
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:13:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prices are going up 30-50% in Maine too. My brother just got a place that has a heat pump + wood pellet stove. Cheapest way to warm your house. Don't worry those bags of pellets will be $10.00 soon. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:18:44 PM EDT
[#34]
OK, I figured as much so I just logged onto my gas company website.
Looks like it's going up here also of course, but the gas bills (not the cost of natural gas) are only expected to be anywhere from 4% - 11% ($2.50 - $8.50) per month higher depending on weather and personal gas consumption usage - so not as bad as I thought (still sucks though). |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:19:03 PM EDT
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The following article refutes the 50% increase. From mid-October 2021
Michigan residents unlikely to see natural gas prices soar as high as elsewhere, experts say "Michigan residents face plenty of variables in this furnace-running season, both from the weather and the power bills they’ll face to heat their homes – but the odds may be in their favor. National energy officials this week said winter heating bills are expected to skyrocket, for some homes by more than 50 percent. However, experts said Michigan’s natural gas storage capacity, market practices and even untapped reserves position the state better than most others, even heading into a forecasted rollercoaster La Ninã winter. Environmental advocates nationwide and in Michigan said they hope painfully high natural gas prices becomes motivation homeowners need to replace gas furnaces and other appliances with electric versions. That would reduce overall residential use of the fossil fuel, encourage faster renewable energy development and better confront greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, they argue." What idiots. In general I would put electric space heating cost at about three times that of natural gas. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:26:24 PM EDT
[#36]
There will be some pain as we transition into the new economy.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:30:56 PM EDT
[#37]
I need a woos stove that can tie in my central hvac.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:37:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need a woos stove that can tie in my central hvac. Woos stoves are out of stock until 2025. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:38:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Energy production is being sabotaged world wide, right out in the open.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:40:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Energy production is being sabotaged world wide, right out in the open. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:53:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They aren't getting any cheaper, that's for sure. But yes, they usually are quite expensive to remove. Most still don't have blowers, they just use the old ''heat rises, cold drops'' convection method. If you can go from 50% to 80% or 96% efficiency... it's worth it. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 8:56:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What idiots. In general I would put electric space heating cost at about three times that of natural gas. Most people live in places where heat pumps are competitive with gas. There are some people in zones 6 and 7 that need to burn stuff for heat for the deepest parts of winter. Electric resistance? Yeah, that sucks. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:24:19 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you can go from 50% to 80% or 96% efficiency... it's worth it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They aren't getting any cheaper, that's for sure. But yes, they usually are quite expensive to remove. Most still don't have blowers, they just use the old ''heat rises, cold drops'' convection method. If you can go from 50% to 80% or 96% efficiency... it's worth it. All people do is look at the initial costs, they never look at yearly savings, the ability to have central A/C, or the higher resale price for the house as only a fool would choose a house with an octopus over a similar house with a more modern system. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:29:30 PM EDT
[#44]
KOLD?
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:30:49 PM EDT
[#45]
How expensive is the National Guard up there?
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:33:43 PM EDT
[#46]
Cool, Cho Bi Den’s plan is starting to come together.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:36:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All people do is look at the initial costs, they never look at yearly savings, the ability to have central A/C, or the higher resale price for the house as only a fool would choose a house with an octopus over a similar house with a more modern system. I've sold energy improvements using multi year pro formas but it is a tough hill to climb. My energy costs go up 10% per year so being able to replace the HVAC and wrap it into a 30 year note is a good idea... |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:37:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need a woos stove that can tie in my central hvac. You can borrow mine. 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:44:40 PM EDT
[#49]
Electricity will go up once gas appliances are replaced.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:52:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Lol 50% would never get past the MPSC. Now propane isn't regulated and that might go up 50%.
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