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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:20:28 PM EDT
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Were you there? I Don't judge.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:22:25 PM EDT
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I studied it a bit, and heard interviews from the chopper pilot/s. The older I get the more unappalled I am about it given I have no idea what those men on the ground were going through in the days, weeks, months leading up to this moment in time. No doubt it was wrong, but I doubt very seriously the men who took part in this event went to Vietnam to kill women and child.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:22:30 PM EDT
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It’s sad that instead of providing close air support, the chopper pilot wimped out of killing communists and their supporters.
j/k 
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:23:05 PM EDT
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Been a long time since I studied this. Had to do some research at work today and Jesus, how fucked was that? What is GDs opinion on why it went down like it did and about Warrant Officer Thompson threatening to shoot US soldiers to stop it? This is mostly for work but I am interested, especially from folks more studied on it or who lived in that time frame. Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:23:47 PM EDT
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A bunch of guys in a fucked up war, watching their buddies die every day chasing an enemy who refuses confrontation.
They just wanted to kick someone's ass. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:23:48 PM EDT
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I studied it a bit, and heard interviews from the chopper pilot/s. The older I get the more unappalled I am about it given I have no idea what those men on the ground were going through in the days, weeks, months leading up to this moment in time. No doubt it was wrong, but I doubt very seriously the men who took part in this event went to Vietnam to kill women and child. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:24:03 PM EDT
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War is hell.
What are gonna do? |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thompson was one of my dad's friends. Got to interview him for a high school project I did on the massacre. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:26:36 PM EDT
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Somewhere in a closet I have a letter from Calley. It was written to one of my parents.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:27:21 PM EDT
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Supposedly they had 28 people hurt of killed in a time leading up to it. Booby traps only. Platoon scenarioish Hard to put yourself in these men's position when they were being killed by shit being hidden, and protected in the villages by either VC, or scared civilians. Seems similar to A-Stan and the huge challenge our men have faced in that shithole for almost 2 decades now. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:27:49 PM EDT
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Somewhere in a closet I have a letter from Calley. It was written to one of my parents. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:28:38 PM EDT
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Were you there? I Don't judge. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:29:35 PM EDT
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I wasn’t there but I’m still appalled by US soldiers herding and shooting unarmed children and women and old men. The day we condone such behavior even in the battlefield is the day we loose all moral authority on anything/anywhere. I can see and accept accidentally killing civilians in the battlefield but not purposefully killing civilians. The day we accept such behavior is the day we accept police shooting innocents people.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:30:58 PM EDT
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It's sad that instead of providing close air support, the chopper pilot wimped out of killing communists and their supporters.
j/k Sometimes to get rid of an ideology you have to just Carthage their ass. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:31:36 PM EDT
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Were you there? I Don't judge. Calley should have left prison in a box. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:31:43 PM EDT
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I studied it a bit, and heard interviews from the chopper pilot/s. The older I get the more unappalled I am about it given I have no idea what those men on the ground were going through in the days, weeks, months leading up to this moment in time. No doubt it was wrong, but I doubt very seriously the men who took part in this event went to Vietnam to kill women and child. I’m not convinced that things like that didn’t happen in all major conflicts to some degree. And that’s not to excuse it. I don’t go so far so as to say “if you weren’t there, you have no right to have an opinion”. But I think the importance of it in terms of it being a historical event which is used to characterize the whole conflict for the history books may be a bit overstated. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:32:46 PM EDT
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Pinkville and a history of the Viet Minh & Viet Cong
They lived together and trained together in the states and went over together...they were all close including their officers. You wanna hate someone hate the VC all the VC and the NVA and maybe even the generals in the five sided puzzle palace who sent folks into that meat grinder and then refused to listen to them... |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:34:02 PM EDT
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War is hell. What are gonna do? |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:34:46 PM EDT
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I don't condone but can't very well judge either as we all walk on the bones of men who did way worse to get us here.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:35:27 PM EDT
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A bunch of guys in a fucked up war, watching their buddies die every day chasing an enemy who refuses confrontation. They just wanted to kick someone's ass. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:37:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying it was OK? You wanna know what Calley and Medina did wrong...they didn't call in airstrikes and artillery cause that is how it got conducted after that...and when you did it that way...no one said shit about it. There were B-52s,Navy Jets,Airforce jets,and even the New Jersey was standing by in some areas...just waitin for a call. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:38:18 PM EDT
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I actually met William Calley once. It was a casual meeting, and of course nothing was discussed.
 Battle Hymn of Lt. Calley (C Company feat. Terry Nelson) The above song was released while he was on trial. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:38:29 PM EDT
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With several decades hindsight, it wasn't an exceptional event, apart from a high media profile. Free fire zones functioned as sub rosa bureaucratic endorsement of mass pacification.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:39:20 PM EDT
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I used to know the medic many many years ago...I doubt he ever recovered.
How many farging times are we gonna do this topic this must be the 100th thread on this in the last 20 yrs getting to be as bad as the tinnitus threads or what optic should I buy for my 14.5" AR pistol? |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:40:30 PM EDT
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I wasn’t there but I’m still appalled by US soldiers herding and shooting unarmed children and women and old men. The day we condone such behavior even in the battlefield is the day we loose all moral authority on anything/anywhere. I can see and accept accidentally killing civilians in the battlefield but not purposefully killing civilians. The day we accept such behavior is the day we accept police shooting innocents people. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to study WWII. We killed civilians left and right without a second thought. Ask the Germans at Dresden...I have talked to a woman who was a young girl on a school playground with heroldersisterwhen the fire bombs fell...she lived through a miracle of a school janitor and a room under the basement where he was ableto save 10 kids...She rebuilt a model of the the part of Dresden where she lived including the school and playground with great detail...even showed me which one of the kids was her sister swinging on the swing set |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:48:02 PM EDT
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I used to know the medic many many years ago...I doubt he ever recovered. How many farging times are we gonna do this topic this must be the 100th thread on this in the last 20 yrs getting to be as bad as the tinnitus threads or what optic should I buy for my 14.5" AR pistol? Funny, nobody is forced to click on any topic they don’t choose to. Seems you have a lot to offer but this post is pure garbage. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:48:20 PM EDT
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Well, this thread’s going well
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:51:14 PM EDT
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hit it twice...apologies.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:51:39 PM EDT
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Was looking for current opinions on a topic of interest to me right now. Hence, “general discussion”. Funny, nobody is forced to click on any topic they don’t choose to. Seems you have a lot to offer but this post is pure garbage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used to know the medic many many years ago...I doubt he ever recovered. How many farging times are we gonna do this topic this must be the 100th thread on this in the last 20 yrs getting to be as bad as the tinnitus threads or what optic should I buy for my 14.5" AR pistol? Funny, nobody is forced to click on any topic they don’t choose to. Seems you have a lot to offer but this post is pure garbage. and I'll bow out. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:53:39 PM EDT
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Well, this thread’s going well |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:59:52 PM EDT
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It was a shameful event that was thankfully not common behavior for our soldiers.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:02:43 PM EDT
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Ask the Japs at Hiroshima & Nagasaki Ask the Germans at Dresden...I have talked to a woman who was a young girl on a school playground with heroldersisterwhen the fire bombs fell...she lived through a miracle of a school janitor and a room under the basement where he was ableto save 10 kids...She rebuilt a model of the the part of Dresden where she lived including the school and playground with great detail...even showed me which one of the kids was her sister swinging on the swing set Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You need to study WWII. We killed civilians left and right without a second thought. Ask the Germans at Dresden...I have talked to a woman who was a young girl on a school playground with heroldersisterwhen the fire bombs fell...she lived through a miracle of a school janitor and a room under the basement where he was ableto save 10 kids...She rebuilt a model of the the part of Dresden where she lived including the school and playground with great detail...even showed me which one of the kids was her sister swinging on the swing set |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:05:17 PM EDT
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Sgt. Barnes went nutzo
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:06:44 PM EDT
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PSA: If you don't want your civilians targeted by soldiers, it's probably best if your civilians don't target soldiers.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:07:22 PM EDT
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Sgt. Barnes went nutzo |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:10:10 PM EDT
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I think you have to ask yourself, would they (VC/ NVA) done the same in our country.
I believe that answer is yes. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:14:14 PM EDT
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Ask the Japs at Hiroshima & Nagasaki Ask the Germans at Dresden...I have talked to a woman who was a young girl on a school playground with heroldersisterwhen the fire bombs fell...she lived through a miracle of a school janitor and a room under the basement where he was ableto save 10 kids...She rebuilt a model of the the part of Dresden where she lived including the school and playground with great detail...even showed me which one of the kids was her sister swinging on the swing set Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You need to study WWII. We killed civilians left and right without a second thought. Ask the Germans at Dresden...I have talked to a woman who was a young girl on a school playground with heroldersisterwhen the fire bombs fell...she lived through a miracle of a school janitor and a room under the basement where he was ableto save 10 kids...She rebuilt a model of the the part of Dresden where she lived including the school and playground with great detail...even showed me which one of the kids was her sister swinging on the swing set |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:14:16 PM EDT
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I read a pretty interesting analysis years ago that suggested that part of the problem was that the Americal Division was formed incountry and that soldiers had been requested from other units throughout Vietnam in order to make sure that DROS dates were staggered. Anyone who’s been in the military knows that every unit will seize an opportunity like that to dump all of its shitbirds on someone else, which is probably exactly what happened here. A unit full of problem children can easily be led into something like that.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:15:21 PM EDT
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I think you have to ask yourself, would they (VC/ NVA) done the same in our country. I believe that answer is yes. My Lai was an aberration. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:15:39 PM EDT
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I am looking higher, especially at the O6 and O5 that we’re in charge, albeit not there. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:16:34 PM EDT
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What about Cpt. Harris? |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:16:53 PM EDT
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Your Lai Massacre
Our Lai Massacre Their Lai Massacre |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:17:00 PM EDT
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I studied it a bit, and heard interviews from the chopper pilot/s. The older I get the more unappalled I am about it given I have no idea what those men on the ground were going through in the days, weeks, months leading up to this moment in time. No doubt it was wrong, but I doubt very seriously the men who took part in this event went to Vietnam to kill women and child. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:17:20 PM EDT
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After that incident, the excuse of 'just following orders' was not permissible as a valid defense. Ironically the MSM pushes propaganda everyday that sometimes incites violence and hides successfully behind a similar excuse of 'just doing their job'
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:17:32 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing the villagers didn’t know who was doing the attacks, knew where equipment was, or that several villagers were among the attackers or directly supporting them. I am not condemning or condoning, but I get it.
Shitty things happen in wars. Usually many more shitty things than this in frequency, and usually far shittier in severity. If this was the worst to come from a decade of warfare, the Vietnam War was one of the cleaner wars ever conducted. The majority of nations that point fingers have worse atrocities in their recent past. I guess to be fair we do too. War is hell. Vietnam was just the first time the public at large saw it on the nightly news. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:18:13 PM EDT
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I read a pretty interesting analysis years ago that suggested that part of the problem was that the Americal Division was formed incountry and that soldiers had been requested from other units throughout Vietnam in order to make sure that DROS dates were staggered. Anyone who’s been in the military knows that every unit will seize an opportunity like that to dump all of its shitbirds on someone else, which is probably exactly what happened here. A unit full of problem children can easily be led into something like that. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:18:49 PM EDT
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I talked to a 1st. Lt. ROK Army officer who was in Vietnam when this incident occurred and he said it was a reflection on the quality of US military especially the officers. He said they lost some respect for US military not because what they did but because the lack of officers control over their enlisted men. He said ROK military could have done same thing but it would have occurred under the command of officers orders.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:19:32 PM EDT
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How much of this event was done by Draftees?
The policies we had in Vietnam that I've learned about...specifically things like the air war are just insane from a non military guy. I can't imagine what it would be like as a drafted guy in the military serving in Vietnam. You'd have to feel pretty damn expendable to say the least. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 7:19:46 PM EDT
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After that incident, the excuse of 'just following orders' was not permissible as a valid defense. Ironically the MSM pushes propaganda everyday that sometimes incites violence and hides successfully behind a similar excuse of 'just doing their job' |
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