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Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:15:40 PM EDT
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This is not going to end well.
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This is what a useful militia looks like - not web gear in forests.
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Indeed.  They are Doing Something™.
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The car and uniform are one thing. Why is there a red and blue police LED light on the drivers side mounted on the visor facing forward?
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In NY, they are granted special authority under NYS laws and even receive tax dollars for equipment and training. One of the Shomrim units in NYC even got kevlar vests issued to them directly by the NY Senate.
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Buying politicians has benefits.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:20:08 PM EDT
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This.  If they're there to support the police and prevent crime, good.  But I doubt it and suspect it's all about sharia law.  Fuq da sh*t.
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This.  If they're there to support the police and prevent crime, good.  But I doubt it and suspect it's all about sharia law.  Fuq da sh*t.
The Shomrim is supposed to forward all information to the NYPD. They don't. They've been caught not forwarding child molesters info or call information to the NYPD.

Remember the incident where bribes were being collected for fast tracked NYC gun permits? The handler doing it all was Shomrim.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:21:37 PM EDT
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Hey- if they actually keep American values and rule of American law in mind, I have no issue with this. The moment they start pushing sharia..... gloves come off.
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Do you have issues with the Jewish Shomrim then? They're Hasidic and extremely religious.

I've dealt with the Shomrim and Hatazalah in Miami. My experience has been "Meh ".
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:22:28 PM EDT
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How about no religious based patrols anywhere in this country. A non-secular neighborhood watch would be just fine with me. They need to ditch the uniform and cars.

I can see this ending very badly for them.
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So the value of propaganda and victimhood is lost on you.

If a few of them were injured or killed, it would cause a shit storm of epic proportions in the media. They would be martyrs for the left, and for their cause.

worse case for them is also best case.

no matter what, we lose.
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So the value of propaganda and victimhood is lost on you.

If a few of them were injured or killed, it would cause a shit storm of epic proportions in the media. They would be martyrs for the left, and for their cause.

worse case for them is also best case.

no matter what, we lose.
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How about no religious based patrols anywhere in this country. A non-secular neighborhood watch would be just fine with me. They need to ditch the uniform and cars.

I can see this ending very badly for them.
So the value of propaganda and victimhood is lost on you.

If a few of them were injured or killed, it would cause a shit storm of epic proportions in the media. They would be martyrs for the left, and for their cause.

worse case for them is also best case.

no matter what, we lose.
Happaned to Jewish Shomrim....

They've also been caught beating up on Black New Yorkers too.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:25:07 PM EDT
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Ironic banner in the background is ironic
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Show me where NY State law allows them to operate red and blue lights on a motor vehicle.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:25:15 PM EDT
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Not really sure I care. You get what you tolerate and vote for I guess?
I just take solace knowing I'll never have to deal with such foolishness.

Good luck to the Muslim, or any other religious "patrol" that wants to stick their nose in my business.
Wolves might get them.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:27:04 PM EDT
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Brooklyn Safety Patrol Leader Is Charged in Sex Abuse of Teen



On Wednesday, sex crimes investigators for the New York Police Department received a troubling report: The influential leader of a Brooklyn safety patrol known as the shomrim had been sexually abusing a teenage girl, the police were told.

A day later, detectives arrested the man, Jacob Daskal, a leader of one faction of what has been, since the 1970s, a sort of auxiliary police force for the ultra-Orthodox Jews of Brooklyn's Borough Park, Crown Heights, Flatbush and Williamsburg neighborhoods.

Mr. Daskal, 59, was charged with statutory rape, sexual abuse and other crimes. The authorities believe the abuse took place at Mr. Daskal's home between August and November of last year, when the girl, who is now 16, was a year younger. But the inquiry is continuing, to determine if the alleged abuse occurred over a longer period of time or if there were additional victims.

The revelations cast another shadow over a group that has long cultivated relationships with New York's law enforcement and elected leaders  and that has secured government funding for vehicles, phones and other equipment integral to its brand of security for some of the city's most insular populations. On several occasions, critics have questioned whether the shomrim's proximity to authority has fostered vigilantism or corruption.

In May 2016, two men linked to the shomrim of Williamsburg admitted to taking part in the assault of a black man in their neighborhood. A month earlier, Alex Lichtenstein, a former member of Mr. Daskal's Brooklyn South Safety Patrol, which covers Borough Park, was arrested on federal charges of trying to secure handgun permits by offering the police thousands of dollars in cash bribes.

In the case of Mr. Daskal, 59, he was arrested at 12:30 p.m. on Thursday, within the 77th police precinct, the police said. He was then taken to the Brooklyn Special Victims squad, they said.

On Friday, the police said that Mr. Daskal had been charged with third-degree rape; third-degree criminal sex act; forcible touching; acting in a manner injurious to a child less than 17; and third-degree sexual abuse. He shuffled, handcuffed, into court for arraignment and pleaded not guilty before Judge Deborah Dowling, who issued an order of protection on behalf of his accuser.

Evan Lipton, a lawyer for Mr. Daskal, said his client was prepared to surrender his passport. Afterward, as Mr. Daskal was released on bail, some supporters surrounded him in a hallway as Mr. Lipton told him, "Your phones have been seized."
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Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:28:45 PM EDT
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Show me where NY State law allows them to operate red and blue lights on a motor vehicle.
It is some bullshit about community patrol units and liaisons with PDs.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:32:04 PM EDT
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Black, Jewish communities in Baltimore at odds over Shomrim volunteer unit



When Pauline Watson felt threatened by teenagers loitering outside her condominium in this city's Park Heights neighborhood, she didn't call the police. She called Shomrim.

"We were scared, okay?" said the 65-year-old African American, adding that most tenants in her building are elderly.

Police in this crime-ridden city have their hands full with more serious matters, Watson said, and often cannot respond quickly to non-emergency calls in her working-class neighborhood. Shomrim was on the scene within minutes, she said, and dispersed the teenagers peacefully.

Since 2005, Shomrim, an Orthodox Jewish volunteer unit, has added a layer of safety to this city, residents such as Watson say. Calling themselves additional "eyes and ears" for the police, more than 30 Shomrim volunteers man a year-round, 24/7 hotline, responding to 130-150 calls for help each month.

Maj. Johnny Delgado, commander of Baltimore City Police Department's Northwest District, where Shomrim patrols, calls the citizen squad "invaluable." But a recent violent encounter between Shomrim and a black teen sparked a larger confrontation between the city's black and Jewish communities, with both groups accusing the other of harassment and racial hostility.

In November, a black 15-year-old accused Baltimore Shomrim volunteers of accosting him on the street, striking him on the head with a radio and saying, "You don't belong around here" - a predominantly Jewish section of Park Heights.

Eliyalu Eliezer Werdesheim, 23, a Shomrim volunteer and former Israeli special forces soldier, and his brother Avi Werdesheim, 20, who does not work with Shomrim, have been charged with false imprisonment, second-degree assault and possession of a deadly weapon. Both are scheduled to be arraigned in Baltimore City Circuit Court on Feb. 16.

But Baltimore City State's Attorney Gregg Bernstein - the city's top prosecutor - decided to drop a more serious felony assault charge against the elder Werdesheim, enraging some members of the black community, who have protested outside Bernstein's office.
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Hasids who beat gay black man get probation, community service



Two gay-bashing members of the Orthodox neighborhood watchdog group Shomrim were sentenced to just three years probation and 150 hours community service Tuesday after they admitted to taking part in a vicious Williamsburg attack.

Pinchas Braver, 22, and Abraham Winkler, 42, will also have to pay $1,400 in restitution to Taj Patterson, who they brutalized in Dec. 2013  yelling anti-gay slurs at the man as he walked alone before jumping him and beating him mercilessly.

Patterson, now 25, was left with a broken orbital socket and torn retina. He remains blind in the left eye. He was not in court Tuesday.

Braver and Winkler tried to dodge the plea condition that their community service hours be served in a "culturally diverse neighborhood," outside of their own Hasidic community. Instead, the duo asked to log hours at Chai Lifeline, an organization for sick Jewish children.
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Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:36:00 PM EDT
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They're also supposed to only observe and report but they frequently get physically involved. Four of them got shot in 2010 when they dragged a guy out of his car and starting beating on him.
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Shomrim leader pleads guilty to bribing cops for gun permits



A Brooklyn Shomrim safety patrol leader pleaded guilty in Manhattan federal court Thursday to bribing NYPD cops to expedite gun permits.

Alex "Shaya" Lichtenstein pleaded guilty to two counts of bribery after copping a plea deal with Manhattan federal prosecutors, who will recommend he spend between five and six years in prison.

At the hearing, a choked-up Lichtenstein told the judge he abused his "good and friendly relationship with the NYC police officers" by bribing them for favors, including "expediting gun license applications that I submitted for other people."

The plea deal comes just one week after Lichtenstein tried to claim that the feds trampled his constitutional rights by interviewing him while drunk.

But his own surveillance video shows he invited the agents inside and was not under arrest at the time  so there was nothing the FBI could do about his drinking, prosecutors said.
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Judge goes easy on Shomrim leader who bribed cops for gun permits

The Shomrim patrol leader who bribed NYPD cops to "expedite" gun permits got a lighter jail sentence than federal prosecutors wanted Thursday  because he has a history of community service.

Judge Sidney Stein sentenced Alex "Shaya" Lichtenstein to 32 months in jail and ordered him to pay a $20,000 fine and undergo alcohol addiction treatment as penance for bribing cops.

Prosecutors wanted him to go away for 4 to 6 years, but the judge cited Lichtenstein's charitable works in giving him a lower-than-expected sentence.

"Mr. Lichtenstein has led a life of great deeds," Stein said. "He has also committed a great crime."

"You participated in corrupting the New York City police department," he told Lichtenstein, who cried when he did not receive the probation sentence he was hoping for.
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The Shomrim is supposed to forward all information to the NYPD. They don't. They've been caught not forwarding child molesters info or call information to the NYPD.
They're also supposed to only observe and report but they frequently get physically involved. Four of them got shot in 2010 when they dragged a guy out of his car and starting beating on him.
And the NY Senate gave them kevlar vests because of it.

Borough Park Shomrim patrol group gets bulletproof vests after four members shot

The private Jewish neighborhood patrol that had four members shot last week trying to stop a violent perv are getting bulletproof vests.

State Sen. Eric Adams (D-Brooklyn) shelled out $2,000 to buy five of the vests for the Borough Park Shomrim guard group.

"I see these guys on patrol and they are determined," said the retired NYPD captain, who tapped his personal funds for the purchase. "Most civilians aren't aggressive enough when fighting crime. They are worried about being a snitch."
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:44:09 PM EDT
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Depends on whether or not they are a sharia patrol.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:48:05 PM EDT
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Having an ambulance with lights is allegedly fine in NYC.  Having a fake police care with red and blue lights violates the law in almost every state.
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Orthodox cops: Separate and unequal

The public got a second shock when it learned that Leiby's disappearance was only belatedly reported to the police, and that a privately run, Orthodox Jewish "patrol" called Shomrim reportedly had video evidence that went unused during the crucial hours before the murder, while untrained Jewish laymen tried to handle the investigation themselves.

And now comes what ought to be shock No. 3: Jewish vigilante groups like Shomrim, unskilled and ill-equipped for police work, and all too often driven by religious proscriptions to keep their community's crimes out of the public eye, are being paid to interfere with the authorities by New York City taxpayers  through the generous offices of some City Council members.

The council's just-finalized budget for 2012 includes more than $130,000 in "member item" donations to private Orthodox Jewish pseudo-police  gifts of taxpayer money that were personally authorized by Democratic Brooklyn City Councilmen Lewis Fidler, David Greenfield, Brad Lander and Stephen Levin. Remember that these Jewish patrols operate only in a few Brooklyn neighborhoods and answer to the needs of only one religious community.

Consider the "Kol Tzedek" program announced, with much fanfare, by Brooklyn prosecutors in April 2009 in conjunction with the Orthodox bulwark Ohel Children's Home and Family Services agency. According to District Attorney Charles Hynes, the initiative was "aimed at helping sex-crime victims in Brooklyn's Orthodox Jewish communities report abuse . . . to secular authorities."

But when Ohel announced the same program in its own promotional newsletter, it carefully excised from the DA's press release every reference to police, prosecutors or the reporting of crimes  a move that was especially disturbing from an agency dogged for years by allegations of shirking its own obligation to report suspected child abuse.

For its insult to the DA and his stated law enforcement policy, Ohel was rewarded with $900,000 in federal "earmarks" for fiscal year 2010, approved by then-Congressman Anthony Weiner.

...taxpayer-funded largesse to Jewish patrols is becoming a New York City tradition. In 2009, the Flatbush Shomrim Safety Patrol got itself a lavishly outfitted $250,000 "mobile security command center" with "hefty grants from the City Council and Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz," according to founder Chaim Deutsch. The 22-foot-long vehicle is equipped with a conference room, computers, a fax machine, a color copier and a flat-panel television screen.
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Having an ambulance with lights is allegedly fine in NYC.  Having a fake police care with red and blue lights violates the law in almost every state.
Since they are sponsored by the borough, trained by NYPD, and the borough president and DA organize occasional pressers with them - appears zero fucks given.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 12:52:43 PM EDT
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Like everything in NYC, it comes down to bribes, politicians connections, and favoritism.

The Shomrim and the Muslim Community Patrol are extensions of the cronyism and corruption of NYC. It is no different than Tammany Hall sponsored militias where the connected are made in brevit colonels and such.
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Alternate universe problems.
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When the Asian and Jewish patrols have a history of sectarian violence and forced conversion I'll be worried about them. I've been given a look or two in a few Jewish areas for being out of place, but the the whole "convert and submit or die" just isn't really a Jewish thing.
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Having an ambulance with lights is allegedly fine in NYC.  Having a fake police care with red and blue lights violates the law in almost every state.
NY is special.... the Shomrim have been caught with red lights too and nothing has happened. They are approved and supported by the City Government of NYC and members of the State Government. Their connection as an agency falls into play like the ASPCA did when they had a police force andthe various other quasi police units that inhabit NYC and the surrounding area. Their are a number of unarmed quasi police forces in NYC and the surrounding area.

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As a Texan why do you even care? They ain't gonna get LEOSA creds.
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In NY, sharia law you!
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The Jewish Patrol have a history of beating on blacks, molesting kids, and being corrupt.
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Damn...  Good idea.

ARFPD... could be awesome!
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Sharia has no place in a free country.

Them, and the jews doing this shit need to get sued, arrested for impersonation, and shut the fuck down.

Fuck those wannabes.

ETA: Haven't heard of any issues about the asian patrols... Odd. Will need to look further into it, but I'm still not a fan.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 1:17:26 PM EDT
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I missed the other threads on this and other special interest group patrols.

It's about time for a stickman-style MAGA superhero to show up in NY and toss some libs around.
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Sharia has no place in a free country.

Them, and the jews doing this shit need to get sued, arrested for impersonation, and shut the fuck down.

Fuck those wannabes.
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Sharia has no place in a free country.

Them, and the jews doing this shit need to get sued, arrested for impersonation, and shut the fuck down.

Fuck those wannabes.
I missed the part where they're impersonating cops?
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Just wait until one sect disagrees with another about a "case".

It's ironic so many people stuff themselves into a giant city that is diverse and vibrant...but then segregate themselves.
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Sharia has no place in a free country.

Them, and the jews doing this shit need to get sued, arrested for impersonation, and shut the fuck down.

Fuck those wannabes.
I missed the part where they're impersonating cops?
Well, there's the 1000 word version, or the pictures. Let's say they impersonate legal authority with vehicles outfitted with decals and emergency lights and costumes that look like LEO or security.
Link Posted: 2/4/2019 1:23:59 PM EDT
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Wheres the video of the guy on the bike being assaulted? I think he was white but I guess not jewish.
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And that's different from most departments in major cities how?
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Looks like that van has "police" in the shield.  Illegal to have the word "police" anywhere on a vehicle in NY unless it's actual LE.
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Looks like that van has "police" in the shield.  Illegal to have the word "police" anywhere on a vehicle in NY unless it's actual LE.
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Looks like that van has "police" in the shield.  Illegal to have the word "police" anywhere on a vehicle in NY unless it's actual LE.
If securing 5he border reduces MS13 hit men, maybe all these pseudo-police will become the hit men middlemen for political crime.
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Are these type of groups in NYC paid or volunteers ?
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Sharia has no place in a free country.

Them, and the jews doing this shit need to get sued, arrested for impersonation, and shut the fuck down.

Fuck those wannabes.
I missed the part where they're impersonating cops?
Well, there's the 1000 word version, or the pictures. Let's say they impersonate legal authority with vehicles outfitted with decals and emergency lights and costumes that look like LEO or security.
Again... where are they impersonating cops? If they were violating the law. The NYPD would drop on them like a sack of bricks. They're operating in accordance with NYC/NYS laws. They aren't armed, their equipment and uniforms don't say police, they aren't identifying themselves as police.

As for the use red/blue lights. Again, NYPD ain't jumping their shit about it so that again means they aren't breaking the law.

There are numerous quasi private entities that are public safety departments in NYC that are both armed and unarmed.

Bay Terrace Public Safety Department (Private force of the Cord Meyer Development LLC - Bay Terrace Shopping Centre)



Co-op City Department of Public Safety (Private Police Force for a cooperative housing development business)



Hunts Point Department of Public Safety (Private Police Force for a private wholesale food market)



Morningside Heights Housing Corporation Department of Public Safety (another private housing cooperative)



New York Racing Association Peace Officers (private police force for a non profit horse racing location)



Roosevelt Island Public Safety Department (Private police force of the Roosevelt Island Operating Corporation, originally armed, now unarmed)



Parkchester Department of Public Safety (another private cooperative housing community)



Sea Gate Police Department (private armed police for an HOA)



The Shomrim and Muslim Community Patrol are another specialized cog in the NYC machine.

Hell, even the NYPD Auxiliary has red lights and they aren't sworn, armed, or even peace officers.

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"Your presence may cause an imminent breach of the peace and in doing so commit an offense"

ffs
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No it isn't.... plently of "special police" exist in NY.
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Who's has more authority, them or road captains!
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Some are paid and some are volunteer.
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I would have a bottle of liquor and a bacon sandwich in my possession at all times just in case I encountered one of those douche patrols.
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