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Originally Posted By DaveM4K: Just keep your head in the sand it will make all the things go away. Jesus we are fucked beyond belief. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DaveM4K: Originally Posted By Ellenripley: Originally Posted By maleante: https://i.imgur.com/82rcwUR.png I am so tired of cryptic horseshit that people who think they're in the know spew to other people who think they're in the know like some secret society language. Just keep your head in the sand it will make all the things go away. Jesus we are fucked beyond belief. Yeah, this isn't what I meant, but you keep being you. |
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Originally Posted By maleante: NYT article essentially describing that the signs of what’s coming were visible late last year. https://archive.ph/2022.05.11-100240/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/technology/tech-start-ups.html By Erin Griffith Erin Griffith, who covers start-ups and venture capital, has reported from the San Francisco Bay Area since 2018. May 11, 2022, 3:00 a.m. ET Start-up workers came into 2022 expecting another year of cash-gushing initial public offerings. Then the stock market tanked, Russia invaded Ukraine, inflation ballooned, and interest rates rose. Instead of going public, start-ups began cutting costs and laying off employees. People started dumping their start-up stock, too. The number of people and groups trying to unload their start-up shares doubled in the first three months of the year from late last year, said Phil Haslett, a founder of EquityZen, which helps private companies and their employees sell their stock. The share prices of some billion-dollar start-ups, known as “unicorns,” have plunged by 22 percent to 44 percent in recent months, he said. “It’s the first sustained pullback in the market that people have seen in legitimately 10 years,” he said. That’s a sign of how the start-up world’s easy-money ebullience of the last decade has faded. Each day, warnings of a coming downturn ricochet across social media between headlines about another round of start-up job cuts. And what was once seen as a sure path to immense riches — owning start-up stock — is now viewed as a liability. The turn has been swift. In the first three months of the year, venture funding in the United States fell 8 percent from a year earlier, to $71 billion, according to PitchBook, which tracks funding. At least 55 tech companies have announced layoffs or shut down since the beginning of the year, compared with 25 this time last year, according to Layoffs.fyi, which monitors layoffs. And I.P.O.s, the main way start-ups cash out, plummeted 80 percent from a year ago as of May 4, according to Renaissance Capital, which follows I.P.O.s. Image An Instacart shopper at a grocery store in Manhattan. The company slashed its valuation to $24 billion in March from $40 billion last year. An Instacart shopper at a grocery store in Manhattan. The company slashed its valuation to $24 billion in March from $40 billion last year.Credit... Brittainy Newman/The New York Times Last week, Cameo, a celebrity shout-out app; On Deck, a career-services company; and MainStreet, a financial technology start-up, all shed at least 20 percent of their employees. Fast, a payments start-up, and Halcyon Health, an online health care provider, abruptly shut down in the last month. And the grocery delivery company Instacart, one of the most highly valued start-ups of its generation, slashed its valuation to $24 billion in March from $40 billion last year. “Everything that has been true in the last two years is suddenly not true,” said Mathias Schilling, a venture capitalist at Headline. “Growth at any price is just not enough anymore.” The start-up market has weathered similar moments of fear and panic over the past decade. Each time, the market came roaring back and set records. And there is plenty of money to keep money-losing companies afloat: Venture capital funds raised a record $131 billion last year, according to PitchBook. But what’s different now is a collision of troubling economic forces combined with the sense that the start-up world’s frenzied behavior of the last few years is due for a reckoning. A decade-long run of low interest rates that enabled investors to take bigger risks on high-growth start-ups is over. The war in Ukraine is causing unpredictable macroeconomic ripples. Inflation seems unlikely to abate anytime soon. Even the big tech companies are faltering, with shares of Amazon and Netflix falling below their prepandemic levels. “Of all the times we said it feels like a bubble, I do think this time is a little different,” said Albert Wenger, an investor at Union Square Ventures. On social media, investors and founders have issued a steady drumbeat of dramatic warnings, comparing negative sentiment to that of the early 2000s dot-com crash and stressing that a pullback is “real.” Even Bill Gurley, a Silicon Valley venture capital investor who got so tired of warning start-ups about bubbly behavior over the last decade that he gave up, has returned to form. “The ‘unlearning’ process could be painful, surprising and unsettling to many,” he wrote in April. The uncertainty has caused some venture capital firms to pause deal making. D1 Capital Partners, which participated in roughly 70 start-up deals last year, told founders this year that it had stopped making new investments for six months. The firm said that any deals being announced had been struck before the moratorium, said two people with knowledge of the situation, who declined to be identified because they were not authorized to speak on the record. Other venture firms have lowered the value of their holdings to match the falling stock market. Sheel Mohnot, an investor at Better Tomorrow Ventures, said his firm had recently reduced the valuations of seven start-ups it invested in out of 88, the most it had ever done in a quarter. The shift was stark compared with just a few months ago, when investors were begging founders to take more money and spend it to grow even faster. That fact had not yet sunk in with some entrepreneurs, Mr. Mohnot said. “People don’t realize the scale of change that’s happened,” he said. Image Sean Black, the founder and chief executive of Knock. “You can’t fight this market momentum,” he said. Sean Black, the founder and chief executive of Knock. “You can’t fight this market momentum,” he said.Credit...Jeenah Moon for The New York Times Entrepreneurs are experiencing whiplash. Knock, a home-buying start-up in Austin, Texas, expanded its operations from 14 cities to 75 in 2021. The company planned to go public via a special purpose acquisition company, or SPAC, valuing it at $2 billion. But as the stock market became rocky over the summer, Knock canceled those plans and entertained an offer to sell itself to a larger company, which it declined to disclose. In December, the acquirer’s stock price dropped by half and killed that deal as well. Knock eventually raised $70 million from its existing investors in March, laid off nearly half its 250 employees and added $150 million in debt in a deal that valued it at just over $1 billion. Throughout the roller-coaster year, Knock’s business continued to grow, said Sean Black, the founder and chief executive. But many of the investors he pitched didn’t care. “It’s frustrating as a company to know you’re crushing it, but they’re just reacting to whatever the ticker says today,” he said. “You have this amazing story, this amazing growth, and you can’t fight this market momentum.” Mr. Black said his experience was not unique. “Everyone is quietly, embarrassingly, shamefully going through this and not willing to talk about it,” he said. Matt Birnbaum, head of talent at the venture capital firm Pear VC, said companies would have to carefully manage worker expectations around the value of their start-up stock. He predicted a rude awakening for some. “If you’re 35 or under in tech, you’ve probably never seen a down market,” he said. “What you’re accustomed to is up and to the right your entire career.” Start-ups that went public amid the highs of the last two years are getting pummeled in the stock market, even more than the overall tech sector. Shares in Coinbase, the cryptocurrency exchange, have fallen 81 percent since its debut in April last year. Robinhood, the stock trading app that had explosive growth during the pandemic, is trading 75 percent below its I.P.O. price. Last month, the company laid off 9 percent of its staff, blaming overzealous “hypergrowth.” SPACs, which were a trendy way for very young companies to go public in recent years, have performed so poorly that some are now going private again. SOC Telemed, an online health care start-up, went public using such a vehicle in 2020, valuing it at $720 million. In February, Patient Square Capital, an investment firm, bought it for around $225 million, a 70 percent discount. Others are in danger of running out of cash. Canoo, an electric vehicle company that went public in late 2020, said on Tuesday that it had “substantial doubt” about its ability to stay in business. Image Baiju Bhatt, left, and Vlad Tenev, founders of Robinhood, at the New York Stock Exchange last year for the company’s initial public offering. Robinhood recently laid off 9 percent of its workers. Baiju Bhatt, left, and Vlad Tenev, founders of Robinhood, at the New York Stock Exchange last year for the company’s initial public offering. Robinhood recently laid off 9 percent of its workers.Credit...Sasha Maslov for The New York Times Blend Labs, a financial technology start-up focused on mortgages, was worth $3 billion in the private market. Since it went public last year, its value has sunk to $1 billion. Last month, it said it would cut 200 workers, or roughly 10 percent of its staff. Tim Mayopoulos, Blend’s president, blamed the cyclical nature of the mortgage business and the steep drop in refinancings that accompany rising interest rates. “We’re looking at all of our expenses,” he said. “High-growth cash-burning businesses are, from an investor-sentiment perspective, clearly not in favor.” View Quote Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? |
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? View Quote Yep, no office supplies, computers, network gear, furniture, advertising and more vacant office space. All the job losses means much less consumption and more stress trying to pay the mortgage or rent. Think reduced sales at amazon and fewer buying teslas. In the dot com implosion people thought they were safe in the "blue chip" tech companies like Cisco, Microsoft and sun. Turns out the blue chips made a lot of their money off dot frauds like pets.com. Another bad idea was that people didn't want to sell and pay capital gains, figuring they would ride things out even though they knew things were overvalued. |
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Originally Posted By Cataly5t: Yep, no office supplies, computers, network gear, furniture, advertising and more vacant office space. All the job losses means much less consumption and more stress trying to pay the mortgage or rent. Think reduced sales at amazon and fewer buying teslas. In the dot com implosion people thought they were safe in the "blue chip" tech companies like Cisco, Microsoft and sun. Turns out the blue chips made a lot of their money off dot frauds like pets.com. Another bad idea was that people didn't want to sell and pay capital gains, figuring they would ride things out even though they knew things were overvalued. View Quote The vacant office space will lead to massive commercial loan defaults similar to the old Resolution Trust days of the late 1980's- early 1990's. |
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I wouldn't stand in front of a piss-filled supersoaker. Does that make it a good pistol? - Caboose314
I thought I was covered for 22 cans, but the NFAids is a bitch when it mutates - themagikbullet |
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? I'd considered Carvana a startup. |
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Originally Posted By maleante: Terraluna subreddit full of suicide talk today. https://i.imgur.com/6jOo9Im.jpg Does that person not have a day job to cover his expenses should what happened have happened? Sheesh. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: I'd considered Carvana a startup. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? I'd considered Carvana a startup. That’s probably fair |
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I wouldn't stand in front of a piss-filled supersoaker. Does that make it a good pistol? - Caboose314
I thought I was covered for 22 cans, but the NFAids is a bitch when it mutates - themagikbullet |
Originally Posted By colt_thompson: The vacant office space will lead to massive commercial loan defaults similar to the old Resolution Trust days of the late 1980's- early 1990's. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By colt_thompson: Originally Posted By Cataly5t: Yep, no office supplies, computers, network gear, furniture, advertising and more vacant office space. All the job losses means much less consumption and more stress trying to pay the mortgage or rent. Think reduced sales at amazon and fewer buying teslas. In the dot com implosion people thought they were safe in the "blue chip" tech companies like Cisco, Microsoft and sun. Turns out the blue chips made a lot of their money off dot frauds like pets.com. Another bad idea was that people didn't want to sell and pay capital gains, figuring they would ride things out even though they knew things were overvalued. The vacant office space will lead to massive commercial loan defaults similar to the old Resolution Trust days of the late 1980's- early 1990's. At least the RTC absorbed bad banks, sold viable assets, and liquidated the rest. I have a guy I know through a local car scene that was hired to liquidate an Atlanta area bank during the last ordeal. He has stories that gives you a headache. Final tally when completed ??? Roughly 20 cents on the dollar. Yep, the bank had managed to have it's total assets decline by 80%. Another crazy story...guy above had a friend hired to liquidate a midwest bank. When she started going though the books, she found collateral for a loan that was 100K pounds of frozen turkeys. Not only that but the bank was paying storage fees. She ended up donating all the birds to local food banks because of the hassle of trying to get them to market. Yep...that loan was over a 100% loss.... The stupid knows no bounds in society. |
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Originally Posted By colt_thompson: The vacant office space will lead to massive commercial loan defaults similar to the old Resolution Trust days of the late 1980's- early 1990's. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By colt_thompson: Originally Posted By Cataly5t: Yep, no office supplies, computers, network gear, furniture, advertising and more vacant office space. All the job losses means much less consumption and more stress trying to pay the mortgage or rent. Think reduced sales at amazon and fewer buying teslas. In the dot com implosion people thought they were safe in the "blue chip" tech companies like Cisco, Microsoft and sun. Turns out the blue chips made a lot of their money off dot frauds like pets.com. Another bad idea was that people didn't want to sell and pay capital gains, figuring they would ride things out even though they knew things were overvalued. The vacant office space will lead to massive commercial loan defaults similar to the old Resolution Trust days of the late 1980's- early 1990's. I still say it would be interesting to see a lot of abandoned office spaces become apartments. In some places I have lived the "loft" spaces were a big thing. Might soften some demand on single family homes. |
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Babnana split.
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Instagram link of foolishness View Quote "Deed says you are my property. Prepare accordingly." |
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: "Deed says you are my property. Prepare accordingly." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Instagram link of foolishness "Deed says you are my property. Prepare accordingly." Sounds like the ultimate arson property |
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I wouldn't stand in front of a piss-filled supersoaker. Does that make it a good pistol? - Caboose314
I thought I was covered for 22 cans, but the NFAids is a bitch when it mutates - themagikbullet |
Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? Based on how often Wells Fargo has to pay fines, apologize, and start a new specialized lending program... |
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Originally Posted By Terriblis: Based on how often Wells Fargo has to pay fines, apologize, and start a new specialized lending program... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Terriblis: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? Based on how often Wells Fargo has to pay fines, apologize, and start a new specialized lending program... Wells Fargo is probably more of a Tard Up. I wish I could go to work of them for a few monthsto understand what the hell is wrong with them. |
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Wells Fargo is probably more of a Tard Up. I wish I could go to work of them for a few monthsto understand what the hell is wrong with them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Originally Posted By Terriblis: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? Based on how often Wells Fargo has to pay fines, apologize, and start a new specialized lending program... Wells Fargo is probably more of a Tard Up. I wish I could go to work of them for a few monthsto understand what the hell is wrong with them. ❤️ |
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I wouldn't stand in front of a piss-filled supersoaker. Does that make it a good pistol? - Caboose314
I thought I was covered for 22 cans, but the NFAids is a bitch when it mutates - themagikbullet |
Originally Posted By Cobradriver: At least the RTC absorbed bad banks, sold viable assets, and liquidated the rest. I have a guy I know through a local car scene that was hired to liquidate an Atlanta area bank during the last ordeal. He has stories that gives you a headache. Final tally when completed ??? Roughly 20 cents on the dollar. Yep, the bank had managed to have it's total assets decline by 80%. Another crazy story...guy above had a friend hired to liquidate a midwest bank. When she started going though the books, she found collateral for a loan that was 100K pounds of frozen turkeys. Not only that but the bank was paying storage fees. She ended up donating all the birds to local food banks because of the hassle of trying to get them to market. Yep...that loan was over a 100% loss.... The stupid knows no bounds in society. View Quote Yep, it's why I'm short banks among other things. I have no first or second hand knowledge of what's on their books, I just know dumb companies with retarded business models, real estate, crypto and digital "art" got bid up to the moon. Stevie wonder could see this train wreck from a mile away. |
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Sounds like the ultimate arson property View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Instagram link of foolishness "Deed says you are my property. Prepare accordingly." Sounds like the ultimate arson property Here's a little more local info on said property: Nelly Fallon aka "The Squatter Maid" |
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Originally Posted By TurboVice: That’s what some of the experts at arfcom have told us! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TurboVice: Originally Posted By ManyFacets: no no this totally isnt a repeat of 2008. everything is so different this time, its not a bubble... That’s what some of the experts at arfcom have told us! Really, now? |
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Here’s an example from a butterfly, an example that it can be happy on a hard rock. An example that it can lie on this unsweetened stone, friendlessly and all alone. Now let my bed. I do not care.
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Here’s an example from a butterfly, an example that it can be happy on a hard rock. An example that it can lie on this unsweetened stone, friendlessly and all alone. Now let my bed. I do not care.
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: It ended awesome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Originally Posted By JamiesGotAGun: I've seen this movie. I think it was about 14 years ago. Spoiler alert: It doesn't end well. It ended awesome. I was waiting for someone to shift the perspective |
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I wouldn't stand in front of a piss-filled supersoaker. Does that make it a good pistol? - Caboose314
I thought I was covered for 22 cans, but the NFAids is a bitch when it mutates - themagikbullet |
People hang themselves with leverage
30k millionaires all over the place .gov does the same with printing Sacrifice and delayed gratification is a lost practice I hate these mfers with everything inside of me |
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Originally Posted By gehrig: People hang themselves with leverage 30k millionaires all over the place .gov does the same with printing Sacrifice and delayed gratification is a lost practice I hate these mfers with everything inside of me View Quote Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! |
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Originally Posted By spidey07: Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By gehrig: People hang themselves with leverage 30k millionaires all over the place .gov does the same with printing Sacrifice and delayed gratification is a lost practice I hate these mfers with everything inside of me Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! Well, they can if the loan is collateralized via your janky Silicon Valley startup stock. Rofl |
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Well, they can if the loan is collateralized via your janky Silicon Valley startup stock. Rofl View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By gehrig: People hang themselves with leverage 30k millionaires all over the place .gov does the same with printing Sacrifice and delayed gratification is a lost practice I hate these mfers with everything inside of me Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! Well, they can if the loan is collateralized via your janky Silicon Valley startup stock. Rofl People are really fucking stupid with money. And they don’t read what they agree to. |
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Originally Posted By spidey07: Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By gehrig: People hang themselves with leverage 30k millionaires all over the place .gov does the same with printing Sacrifice and delayed gratification is a lost practice I hate these mfers with everything inside of me Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! And in times of rising interest rates? It nukes you. |
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Wells Fargo is probably more of a Tard Up. I wish I could go to work of them for a few monthsto understand what the hell is wrong with them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Originally Posted By Terriblis: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Start up companies go first then long term more established start massive layoffs? Are Carvana and Wells Fargo starts ups? Based on how often Wells Fargo has to pay fines, apologize, and start a new specialized lending program... Wells Fargo is probably more of a Tard Up. I wish I could go to work of them for a few monthsto understand what the hell is wrong with them. Given your communication skills you’re probably an ideal candidate |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: And in times of rising interest rates? It nukes you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By gehrig: People hang themselves with leverage 30k millionaires all over the place .gov does the same with printing Sacrifice and delayed gratification is a lost practice I hate these mfers with everything inside of me Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! And in times of rising interest rates? It nukes you. How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. |
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Originally Posted By Cataly5t: Yep, it's why I'm short banks among other things. I have no first or second hand knowledge of what's on their books, I just know dumb companies with retarded business models, real estate, crypto and digital "art" got bid up to the moon. Stevie wonder could see this train wreck from a mile away. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By gehrig: People hang themselves with leverage 30k millionaires all over the place .gov does the same with printing Sacrifice and delayed gratification is a lost practice I hate these mfers with everything inside of me Leverage is how you make money. Period. Point blank. Full stop. In times of high inflation? Fuck, it’s like the perfect storm of opportunity. We had some yahoo earlier in the thread post such dumb fuckery “well what if they call the loan?” They can’t!!! And in times of rising interest rates? It nukes you. How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. More than one way to leverage things. Especially companies with corporate debt. |
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Originally Posted By mpatch: A few months ago I had a conversation after we both had a few too many cocktails with a underwriter for business loans and lines of credit for a large lender. The stories he had were downright scary as far as how bad people's books are in reality once they dig into them. Lots of seemingly profitable legit companies that aren't. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mpatch: Originally Posted By Cataly5t: Yep, it's why I'm short banks among other things. I have no first or second hand knowledge of what's on their books, I just know dumb companies with retarded business models, real estate, crypto and digital "art" got bid up to the moon. Stevie wonder could see this train wreck from a mile away. As Buffett says, you see who was swimming naked when the tide goes out. |
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Originally Posted By maleante: Terraluna subreddit full of suicide talk today. https://i.imgur.com/6jOo9Im.jpg Does that person not have a day job to cover his expenses should what happened have happened? Sheesh. View Quote Called this a while back. I wouldn't be walking around any high-rises without looking up. |
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Originally Posted By _200mph: 2008 didn’t turn into a great depression because banks were bailed out and money was printed. We didn’t have inflation back then. 1 - Will FJB bail out the ‘evil banks’. 2 - Can we print out of it with inflation? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By _200mph: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: It ended awesome. 2008 didn’t turn into a great depression because banks were bailed out and money was printed. We didn’t have inflation back then. 1 - Will FJB bail out the ‘evil banks’. 2 - Can we print out of it with inflation? Sometimes you gotta rip the bandaid off. |
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Here’s an example from a butterfly, an example that it can be happy on a hard rock. An example that it can lie on this unsweetened stone, friendlessly and all alone. Now let my bed. I do not care.
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Tbone-1: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? |
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Babnana split.
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Originally Posted By _200mph: 2008 didn’t turn into a great depression because banks were bailed out and money was printed. We didn’t have inflation back then. 1 - Will FJB bail out the ‘evil banks’. Possibly 2 - Can we print out of it with inflation? Absolutely not. Like putting out a fire with jet fuel. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Risk free rate higher than borrowing costs? Ahhh, one can dream. |
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Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Inflation and cost of money. That’s about as guaranteed as you can get. |
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Originally Posted By spidey07: And so are wages. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By Ellenripley: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By Ellenripley: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By spidey07: Because 20% down, because bought 2011, because 3% cash out refi in 2020, because heloc at 2.5%, because live within my means, because if I had to move that’s just more capital to me, because ltv is still less than 50%, because if I lose my job I don’t fucking care So you are applying your finances to the other 329,999,999 people that live in this country? No, I’m applying it to the opportunity that’s has existed for ten years and wondering why folks didn’t take advantage. And some are shocked that mortgage rates are now over 5%??? Really? That’s still cheap money. Just how long did one think a decade of opportunity was going to last? And if a 24 year old whos finally making a good enough wage to buy a 2019 era home, and now has to wait until 34 to buy one that they'll end up not paying off until 64. But shame on them for not jumping into the housing market as they were jumping into 10th grade. Don't get me started on vets trying to reintegrate after the service via VA loans that get beat handily by a +20% cash offer with no inspection. Then they should buy a 2 or 3 bedroom 1200 sqft house. Starter home. That is the home they were planning on buying. Now every month trying to save they get further behind because rates and prices are increasing faster than they can save. And so are wages. Uh, no, wages are not rising anywhere close to the rate of inflation or interest rates. Real wages are declining at the moment. |
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Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Good question. Everyone's situation is different. But to say it's a suckers game or stupid is just flat out wrong. Jobs (ability to pay back) sudden down-turn in health are just some reasons a paid off home is a good financial decision. |
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Originally Posted By spidey07: Inflation and cost of money. That’s about as guaranteed as you can get. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Inflation and cost of money. That’s about as guaranteed as you can get. So I-Bonds at 10K a pop. For how many years? |
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Originally Posted By planemaker: Uh, no, wages are not rising anywhere close to the rate of inflation or interest rates. Real wages are declining at the moment. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By Ellenripley: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By Ellenripley: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By spidey07: Because 20% down, because bought 2011, because 3% cash out refi in 2020, because heloc at 2.5%, because live within my means, because if I had to move that’s just more capital to me, because ltv is still less than 50%, because if I lose my job I don’t fucking care So you are applying your finances to the other 329,999,999 people that live in this country? No, I’m applying it to the opportunity that’s has existed for ten years and wondering why folks didn’t take advantage. And some are shocked that mortgage rates are now over 5%??? Really? That’s still cheap money. Just how long did one think a decade of opportunity was going to last? And if a 24 year old whos finally making a good enough wage to buy a 2019 era home, and now has to wait until 34 to buy one that they'll end up not paying off until 64. But shame on them for not jumping into the housing market as they were jumping into 10th grade. Don't get me started on vets trying to reintegrate after the service via VA loans that get beat handily by a +20% cash offer with no inspection. Then they should buy a 2 or 3 bedroom 1200 sqft house. Starter home. That is the home they were planning on buying. Now every month trying to save they get further behind because rates and prices are increasing faster than they can save. And so are wages. Uh, no, wages are not rising anywhere close to the rate of inflation or interest rates. Real wages are declining at the moment. Doesn't matter to him. "Just move" Buy the dip! |
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Originally Posted By Tbone-1: So I-Bonds at 10K a pop. For how many years? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Inflation and cost of money. That’s about as guaranteed as you can get. So I-Bonds at 10K a pop. For how many years? How many you got? You din't think they'll outperform a sub 3% mortgage? |
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Here’s an example from a butterfly, an example that it can be happy on a hard rock. An example that it can lie on this unsweetened stone, friendlessly and all alone. Now let my bed. I do not care.
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Originally Posted By Tbone-1: So I-Bonds at 10K a pop. For how many years? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Inflation and cost of money. That’s about as guaranteed as you can get. So I-Bonds at 10K a pop. For how many years? No. Inflation is guaranteed. As is the cost of money. Those two guarantees make a 3% 30 year mortgage a guaranteed winning move. Guaranteed. |
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Originally Posted By colt_thompson: The vacant office space will lead to massive commercial loan defaults similar to the old Resolution Trust days of the late 1980's- early 1990's. View Quote The vacant office spaces have been vacant for 2 years. If the owners are too foolish to sell they deserve what is coming. Bankruptcy or arson. |
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Originally Posted By spidey07: No. Inflation is guaranteed. As is the cost of money. Those two guarantees make a 3% 30 year mortgage a guaranteed winning move. Guaranteed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Inflation and cost of money. That’s about as guaranteed as you can get. So I-Bonds at 10K a pop. For how many years? No. Inflation is guaranteed. As is the cost of money. Those two guarantees make a 3% 30 year mortgage a guaranteed winning move. Guaranteed. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By spidey07: No. Inflation is guaranteed. As is the cost of money. Those two guarantees make a 3% 30 year mortgage a guaranteed winning move. Guaranteed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By GETBACKINTHEKITCHEN: Originally Posted By Tbone-1: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: How? Anyone leveraged on adjustable rates right now when captain obvious has been drawing pictures of rising rates with crayons all over our economy the last two years deserves the beating. Fixed interest rate leveraging via mortgage? Perfect. A paid off house is a suckers game. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif Might be the worst financial statement made to date. It should be obvious that anyone with a paid off house wants it that way for security, not financial reasons. So, if spidey wants those people to leverage the house, the investments would have to net > than the costs of borrowing and have zero risk of loss below cost of borrowing. What offers that? Inflation and cost of money. That’s about as guaranteed as you can get. So I-Bonds at 10K a pop. For how many years? No. Inflation is guaranteed. As is the cost of money. Those two guarantees make a 3% 30 year mortgage a guaranteed winning move. Guaranteed. Why doesn't everyone do it? |
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