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Originally Posted By pineywoodsbuck: The pre-golden tablet era of Joseph Smith, was notorious for stealing people's money, he was an absolute con man. He had to flee from every town he lived in because he had freaked out the townspeople with his affinity for married women and 13-year-old girls. He wanted to make himself King Jospeh, this was after he became mayor of Nauvoo Illinois where he had the town's first newspaper destroyed because it printed critical articles of his theocratic "king" beliefs. Eventually, 200 of the town's God-fearing citizens had enough of him and killed him. Then, to keep the sex cult going, Bringham Young took it over and moved the group to Salt Lake City Utah - they had to go that far out west in 1840 because no one wanted them around. After all, their beliefs were so radical and not tolerated by men with young girls and wives. This came from Wikipedia View Quote The sequence of events that drove them to Illinois also makes for interesting reading. |
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Lol.
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Originally Posted By patsue: Orthodox Christianity has always stood on the eternally preexistent Christ of John 1:1 and 1:14 and much more both old and New Testament. Mormons don’t. It is just that simple. My whole family on my dad’s side is Mormon and they admit this. The Christ of the LDS Church is not compatible in any way that is important with the Christ of the Bible. It was Joseph Smith and his followers who came along and redefined this. It doesn’t matter who is on the cross and how you define Son of God if one is eternally preexistent and the other isn’t. Not an insult. Just core theology of who Christ actually is. Patrick Swayze View Quote |
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Originally Posted By callmestick: Horse shit. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy property in those nice neighbor hoods. You can always buy land out in the county to build your dream favala. View Quote If they buy the property there, it’s theirs to do with as they see fit. Anyone arguing otherwise has a common thought process with the socialists that there needs to be some form of governance over other peoples property. |
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Originally Posted By Landsat8: The Tijuana, Mexico Temple is definitely one of my favorites. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416227/IMG_9083_jpeg-3214268.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Landsat8: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Most Mormon temples are kind of modern/art deco. They’d be better off with gothic, neoclassical or even Romanesque. The Tijuana, Mexico Temple is definitely one of my favorites. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416227/IMG_9083_jpeg-3214268.JPG That's spectacular. 10/10 would let them build that next to my house. |
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Originally Posted By pineywoodsbuck: The pre-golden tablet era of Joseph Smith, was notorious for stealing people's money, he was an absolute con man. He had to flee from every town he lived in because he had freaked out the townspeople with his affinity for married women and 13-year-old girls. He wanted to make himself King Jospeh, this was after he became mayor of Nauvoo Illinois where he had the town's first newspaper destroyed because it printed critical articles of his theocratic "king" beliefs. Eventually, 200 of the town's God-fearing citizens had enough of him and killed him. Then, to keep the sex cult going, Bringham Young took it over and moved the group to Salt Lake City Utah - they had to go that far out west in 1840 because no one wanted them around. After all, their beliefs were so radical and not tolerated by men with young girls and wives. This came from Wikipedia View Quote What a nut. In my mind, Joseph Smith's idea the God the Father was once a man who gained godhood, was a fantasy about himself becoming God |
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This is wild testimony from today.
Height & Light: Essential for Worship, LDS Lawyer Says at Planning Meeting for Lone MT NV Temple |
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: If they buy the property there, it’s theirs to do with as they see fit. Anyone arguing otherwise has a common thought process with the socialists that there needs to be some form of governance over other peoples property. View Quote That's a moronic take. The city had established zoning laws and restrictions on building height well before the Mormons even contemplated building their temple there. People coming together and establishing rules to keep nuisances out of their residential neighborhood isn't 'socialism' |
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Originally Posted By MartinSsempa: That's a moronic take. The city had established zoning laws and restrictions on building height well before the Mormons even contemplated building their temple there. People coming together and establishing rules to keep nuisances out of their residential neighborhood isn't 'socialism' View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MartinSsempa: Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: If they buy the property there, it’s theirs to do with as they see fit. Anyone arguing otherwise has a common thought process with the socialists that there needs to be some form of governance over other peoples property. That's a moronic take. The city had established zoning laws and restrictions on building height well before the Mormons even contemplated building their temple there. People coming together and establishing rules to keep nuisances out of their residential neighborhood isn't 'socialism' For the greater good. |
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Originally Posted By sabocat: The sequence of events that drove them to Illinois also makes for interesting reading. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sabocat: Originally Posted By pineywoodsbuck: The pre-golden tablet era of Joseph Smith, was notorious for stealing people's money, he was an absolute con man. He had to flee from every town he lived in because he had freaked out the townspeople with his affinity for married women and 13-year-old girls. He wanted to make himself King Jospeh, this was after he became mayor of Nauvoo Illinois where he had the town's first newspaper destroyed because it printed critical articles of his theocratic "king" beliefs. Eventually, 200 of the town's God-fearing citizens had enough of him and killed him. Then, to keep the sex cult going, Bringham Young took it over and moved the group to Salt Lake City Utah - they had to go that far out west in 1840 because no one wanted them around. After all, their beliefs were so radical and not tolerated by men with young girls and wives. This came from Wikipedia The sequence of events that drove them to Illinois also makes for interesting reading. There were Mormon settlements led by James Strang in Wisconsin and Michigan too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voree,_Wisconsin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Print_Shop |
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Originally Posted By BMSMB: They want to gatekeep the religion they don't actively follow the teachings of to try and feel superior to others... View Quote I don't see it that way. There's no gatekeeping because nothing I say will keep a Mormon person from worshiping in the way they want to nor will it affect any kind of "access" to something I have. What exactly am I guarding the gate for? I can't stop what anyone else does. The argument in here is merely academic and comes down to definitions. |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: I don't see it that way. There's no gatekeeping because nothing I say will keep a Mormon person from worshiping in the way they want to nor will it affect any kind of "access" to something I have. What exactly am I guarding the gate for? I can't stop what anyone else does. The argument in here is merely academic and comes down to definitions. View Quote Isnt this a thread about actively trying to stop the Mormons from building places of worship, with many comments in support of the opposition because "Mormon bad"? |
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The way I see it is that the LDS church knows it's very dissimilar to Christianity and does everything it can to obfuscate the differences. I'm pretty sure most people have heard the phrase "Milk before Meat" before. I would much prefer that Mormons simply own up to what they FULLY believe instead of trying so hard to point out how they're similar in other ways and trvializing the differences.
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Originally Posted By BMSMB: Isnt this a thread about actively trying to stop the Mormons from building places of worship, with many comments in support of the opposition because "Mormon bad"? View Quote Oh - you're actually getting back on topic. No fair! Yeah, I fully agree with you that the city's attempt to squash the building of the church is complete BS, although I don't see it so much as "Gatekeeping Mormons" as much as the NIMBY mentality so many suburbanites succumb to. I'm pretty sure they'd be up in arms if another church came along and tried to plop in a mega structure. |
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: It’s a bit wild how little people know what the defining traits of capitalism are and what the defining traits of socialism are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: For the greater good. It’s a bit wild how little people know what the defining traits of capitalism are and what the defining traits of socialism are. Who knew George Washington was a socialist. |
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Originally Posted By thedownzero: Should the people of California not be able to collectively decide that they don’t want to live among so called “assault weapons”? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By thedownzero: Originally Posted By fingas: Should the people of Fairview not be able to collectively decide that they don't want to live among tall buildings? Should the people of California not be able to collectively decide that they don’t want to live among so called “assault weapons”? Should a specific religion be forced down their throats? Our freedoms (all of them) demand a very high level of responsibility. |
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At least 4 mods and staff up in this thread and it’s still going.
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Who knew George Washington was a socialist. View Quote Now you’re just putting words in my mouth lol. I haven’t even called anyone a socialist, just that they share a thought process with the ideology. Pure capitalism wouldn’t have things such as zoning laws because private property rights are a core tenet of the system. It’s how the system works. Governmental regulation of private property “for the good of the community” is not a capitalist idea. |
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Tell them you will build a Mosque next door
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Should a specific religion be forced down their throats? Our freedoms (all of them) demand a very high level of responsibility. View Quote I fail to see how a building in town is synonymous with a religion being forced down their throats. Are we gonna start claiming that any mosques or cathedrals are religion being forced down our throats? |
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: I fail to see how a building in town is synonymous with a religion being forced down their throats. Are we gonna start claiming that any mosques or cathedrals are religion being forced down our throats? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By BTccw: Should a specific religion be forced down their throats? Our freedoms (all of them) demand a very high level of responsibility. I fail to see how a building in town is synonymous with a religion being forced down their throats. Are we gonna start claiming that any mosques or cathedrals are religion being forced down our throats? Except those “temples” are built in such a way as to draw EVERYONES’s attention to them. Are you going to REQUIRE everyone to own a gun? I would agree with your Mosque and Cathedral analogy. They are designed for the same purpose…. By equally ungodly men. |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Both religions are based on sex. Both are works based. Both worship a false “God”. One has a better marketing plan. Who could tell the difference? View Quote The radical Mormons are coming to a town near you to commit genocide, rape your goats, and institute religious law and stone the infidels... |
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*is surprised this thread is still going*
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Except those “temples” are built in such a way as to draw EVERYONES’s attention to them. Are you going to REQUIRE everyone to own a gun? View Quote So because they build their places of worship in the way they desire, it’s somehow being forced down their throat lol. Don’t like it, don’t look. Simple as. And no I don’t require anyone to do anything, that’s not how freedom works. Even when I disagree with what people are doing with their property. |
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: So because they build their places of worship in the way they desire, it’s somehow being forced down their throat lol. Don’t like it, don’t look. Simple as. And no I don’t require anyone to do anything, that’s not how freedom works. Even when I disagree with what people are doing with their property. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By BTccw: Except those “temples” are built in such a way as to draw EVERYONES’s attention to them. Are you going to REQUIRE everyone to own a gun? So because they build their places of worship in the way they desire, it’s somehow being forced down their throat lol. Don’t like it, don’t look. Simple as. And no I don’t require anyone to do anything, that’s not how freedom works. Even when I disagree with what people are doing with their property. Apparently you don’t have as much experience with LDS temples as I do. You can’t NOT see them…. From everywhere. That is what they are designed for…..that IS their purpose. So yeah, they are forcing their religion down my throat-and people using your argument now wish to restrict my eyesight—- |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By BTccw: Both religions are based on sex. Both are works based. Both worship a false "God". One has a better marketing plan. Who could tell the difference? Nothing I said is untrue… is it? |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Apparently you don't have as much experience with LDS temples as I do. You can't NOT see them . From everywhere. That is what they are designed for ..that IS their purpose. So yeah, they are forcing their religion down my throat-and people using your argument now wish to restrict my eyesight - View Quote A building is forcing a religion on you? |
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: The radical Mormons are coming to a town near you to commit genocide, rape your goats, and institute religious law and stone the infidels... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Fushaw: Originally Posted By BTccw: Both religions are based on sex. Both are works based. Both worship a false “God”. One has a better marketing plan. Who could tell the difference? The radical Mormons are coming to a town near you to commit genocide, rape your goats, and institute religious law and stone the infidels... Like I said-one has a better marketing plan. |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Nothing I said is untrue is it? View Quote That is a cunning game you're trying to play with the phrasing in your argument. I could point out how some of the traits you believe in were also shared by some very unsavory group (take your pick) and then try to draw a similar analogy, then coyly respond with "did I say something untrue?" when you object. I disagree with Mormon theology but your attempt to smear them the same as Islam is ridiculous. |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Apparently you don’t have as much experience with LDS temples as I do. You can’t NOT see them…. From everywhere. That is what they are designed for…..that IS their purpose. So yeah, they are forcing their religion down my throat-and people using your argument now wish to restrict my eyesight—- View Quote Notre Dame cathedral must be forcing religion down Parisians throats since it’s big and you can see it. And how dare they build a building on property they bought. Church buildings forcing religion down your throat sounds awfully similar the leftist claim of “words are violence” lol |
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Now your attitude towards this situation makes sense. |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: Oh - you're actually getting back on topic. No fair! Yeah, I fully agree with you that the city's attempt to squash the building of the church is complete BS, although I don't see it so much as "Gatekeeping Mormons" as much as the NIMBY mentality so many suburbanites succumb to. I'm pretty sure they'd be up in arms if another church came along and tried to plop in a mega structure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By BMSMB: Isnt this a thread about actively trying to stop the Mormons from building places of worship, with many comments in support of the opposition because "Mormon bad"? Oh - you're actually getting back on topic. No fair! Yeah, I fully agree with you that the city's attempt to squash the building of the church is complete BS, although I don't see it so much as "Gatekeeping Mormons" as much as the NIMBY mentality so many suburbanites succumb to. I'm pretty sure they'd be up in arms if another church came along and tried to plop in a mega structure. Now, if they decided to start legal campaigns against politicians, using trumped up charges, contortions of law, slander, etc in order to prevent the council or board from doing their job and destroy their lives, then that would be one way to earn the "lawfare badge". |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: That is a cunning game you're trying to play with the phrasing in your argument. I could point out how some of the traits you believe in were also shared by some very unsavory group (take your pick) and then try to draw a similar analogy, then coyly respond with "did I say something untrue?" when you object. I disagree with Mormon theology but your attempt to smear them the same as Islam is ridiculous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By BTccw: Nothing I said is untrue is it? That is a cunning game you're trying to play with the phrasing in your argument. I could point out how some of the traits you believe in were also shared by some very unsavory group (take your pick) and then try to draw a similar analogy, then coyly respond with "did I say something untrue?" when you object. I disagree with Mormon theology but your attempt to smear them the same as Islam is ridiculous. Nice deflect and attack general. |
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Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: Notre Dame cathedral must be forcing religion down Parisians throats since it’s big and you can see it. And how dare they build a building on property they bought. Church buildings forcing religion down your throat sounds awfully similar the leftist claim of “words are violence” lol View Quote As I've travelled around the world, some of the best architecture in each culture is tied to religion. Cathedrals, shrines, temples, mosques, etc. are all man's attempt to build something to glorify God and their beliefs. I love the architecture, the artwork, the dedication, and the history tied to many of these buildings. I've never felt the need to join any religion because of their building design and prominence. I still find them really cool. There are also a lot of very poorly done newer builds that are more reminiscent of a public county building and not a place of worship. I really like the Provo City Center temple that was rebuilt after the old tabernacle burnt down. |
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Originally Posted By thedownzero: Should the people of California not be able to collectively decide that they don’t want to live among so called “assault weapons”? View Quote Exhibit A for the average room temperature IQ GDer. The constitution restricts the government from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms. Where in the constitution does it say that local government can't implement zoning laws to keep residential neighborhoods appearing a certain way? |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Apparently you don’t have as much experience with LDS temples as I do. You can’t NOT see them…. From everywhere. That is what they are designed for…..that IS their purpose. So yeah, they are forcing their religion down my throat-and people using your argument now wish to restrict my eyesight—- View Quote You have no rights to the view off of your property... |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: That is a cunning game you're trying to play with the phrasing in your argument. I could point out how some of the traits you believe in were also shared by some very unsavory group (take your pick) and then try to draw a similar analogy, then coyly respond with "did I say something untrue?" when you object. I disagree with Mormon theology but your attempt to smear them the same as Islam is ridiculous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: That is a cunning game you're trying to play with the phrasing in your argument. I could point out how some of the traits you believe in were also shared by some very unsavory group (take your pick) and then try to draw a similar analogy, then coyly respond with "did I say something untrue?" when you object. I disagree with Mormon theology but your attempt to smear them the same as Islam is ridiculous. I agree with you Zhukov but at the same time Joseph Smith saw himself as Muhammad so perhaps a comparison is somewhat valid for the founder of Mormonism. In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim: “I will be to this generation a second Muhammad, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us — ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’” No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231 https://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010/10/joseph-smith-i-will-be-second-mohammed.html?m=1 And completely unrelated but found in think link as a quote direct from Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409 is this gem: “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” |
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: As I've travelled around the world, some of the best architecture in each culture is tied to religion. Cathedrals, shrines, temples, mosques, etc. are all man's attempt to build something to glorify God and their beliefs. I love the architecture, the artwork, the dedication, and the history tied to many of these buildings. I've never felt the need to join any religion because of their building design and prominence. I still find them really cool. There are also a lot of very poorly done newer builds that are more reminiscent of a public county building and not a place of worship. I really like the Provo City Center temple that was rebuilt after the old tabernacle burnt down. View Quote I’ve seen pictures from LDS friends. Been to Utah a handful of times and I want to see it in person. We have 3 temples within an hour of my home, and I don’t mind looking at any of them. |
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Originally Posted By 80085: I agree with you Zhukov but at the same time Joseph Smith saw himself as Muhammad so perhaps a comparison is somewhat valid for the founder of Mormonism. No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231 https://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010/10/joseph-smith-i-will-be-second-mohammed.html?m=1 View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: That is a cunning game you're trying to play with the phrasing in your argument. I could point out how some of the traits you believe in were also shared by some very unsavory group (take your pick) and then try to draw a similar analogy, then coyly respond with "did I say something untrue?" when you object. I disagree with Mormon theology but your attempt to smear them the same as Islam is ridiculous. View Quote I hate to be the "AktshUaly" guy but... Especially before Mormonism began reforming itself into a more mainstream organization, the comparison between Islam and Mormonism was pretty common. If you're interested, you might want to check out the book, Mormonism: The Islam of America, originally published in 1912. https://www.amazon.com/Mormonism-Islam-America-Bruce-Kinney/dp/B015NEM1ZY |
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