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Link Posted: 2/20/2024 8:43:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:
The posters who need to watch this - won't touch it .
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Many of the poster that you think need to watch it are in on it. The rest are too boomer brained to understand how much technology has changed the game and is being used against us/them. Ignorance is bliss, ya know.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 8:48:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z:


That analogy falls on its face. Kiddy porn must be taken down and deleted by law. Talking about mail in ballots is not (yet) illegal, so in lieu of deleting it, the armies of shills get deployed
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Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z:
Originally Posted By CMiller:

Okay, I see where this is going so let's just save a bunch of time and skip to the end.

What's your position on showing kiddy porn on broadcast TV at 5:00 p.m. and on billboards by the highway?

We can start there and then work our way backwards until we find where your line is.

I repeat my contention--y'all are framing this in terms of free speech and personal liberty and evil tyranny but really it's just about content you like versus content you don't like.


That analogy falls on its face. Kiddy porn must be taken down and deleted by law. Talking about mail in ballots is not (yet) illegal, so in lieu of deleting it, the armies of shills get deployed

That's a cop out response, you would not accept what you are objecting to now after it was codified in law.

We are talking about censorship, whether overt or covert.

Out of morbid curiosity I started watching the video. I couldn't get 30 seconds in without rolling my eyes and literally laughing out loud.

Everybody complains about the left moving the Overton window, and rightfully so.  But Tucker is literally redefining free speech so that he can then spend a half hour generating outrage that fully aligns with all the established narratives on the Trumpy right, even though none of it actually has to do with somebody's free speech rights being infringed.

Y'all are getting played so hard, and it's hilarious because he knows exactly what he is doing and yet everybody actually takes him seriously.

Newsflash--free speech is about protection from retaliation from the government in response to something you say. It has nothing to do with a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you want on any medium you choose.  You don't have a right to be heard, and you don't have the right to be comfortable and left alone to say whatever you want wherever you want to.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 8:51:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By byron2112:

Site feels like it's 1/3rd bots and poli-shitbirds aggressively carrying the permanent government class' water...

I suppose it's the nature of all online communications these days eh?
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Originally Posted By Skydivesnake:
Scoobysmak and I got set upon by a new troll a few days back on a Covid thread; the troll's account was just a few days old and yet he had a post rate of >32 posts a day. I Lol'd at that, then was set upon by the usual_suspects supporting the said troll and trying to CoC me. The troll got more and more wound up, post after post after post with a strong leftist slant, on a couple of threads, then blew it and got a post deleted from the thread and disappeared. Not sure if ban hammered but he didn't post a single time since, so maybe.

But Mods seem to think that is usual behavior, nothing to see here, admittedly took action when he CoC'd himself, but up to that point, the usual signatures (new account or reactivated old dormant account, very high daily post rate, far left talking points and posting style, aggressive posts, insults, name calling in an attempt to get folks to CoC themselves) all seem to be obvious to us, but don't get any special focus by the mods until it gets completely out of hand. Why is that ?

But we all really know what's going on there, don't we ? And it's not just an innocent guy creating an account, manic posting, and disappearing, is it ?

Any Homeland fans here remember season 6 and the Sock Puppet episodes ? Tell me that ain't happening, and this - the #1 2A website in the US - ain't the choice target.

Site feels like it's 1/3rd bots and poli-shitbirds aggressively carrying the permanent government class' water...

I suppose it's the nature of all online communications these days eh?


I’d say 1/3 is about accurate.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 8:55:10 PM EDT
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Tagged.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 8:58:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

That's a cop out response, you would not accept what you are objecting to now after it was codified in law.

We are talking about censorship, whether overt or covert.

Out of morbid curiosity I started watching the video. I couldn't get 30 seconds in without rolling my eyes and literally laughing out loud.

Everybody complains about the left moving the Overton window, and rightfully so.  But Tucker is literally redefining free speech so that he can then spend a half hour generating outrage that fully aligns with all the established narratives on the Trumpy right, even though none of it actually has to do with somebody's free speech rights being infringed.

Y'all are getting played so hard, and it's hilarious because he knows exactly what he is doing and yet everybody actually takes him seriously.

Newsflash--free speech is about protection from retaliation from the government in response to something you say. It has nothing to do with a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you want on any medium you choose.  You don't have a right to be heard, and you don't have the right to be comfortable and left alone to say whatever you want wherever you want to.
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Benz is talking about government agencies sneaking around through a secret back channel and asking social media companies to ban someone's account or delete their posts because they don't like what that person said. That is retaliation from the government for speech. I would argue that free speech actually does have something to do with the right to express yourself however you want.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 9:03:58 PM EDT
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SOAPBOX  ballotbox, jurybox...
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 9:11:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

That's a cop out response, you would not accept what you are objecting to now after it was codified in law.

We are talking about censorship, whether overt or covert.

Out of morbid curiosity I started watching the video. I couldn't get 30 seconds in without rolling my eyes and literally laughing out loud.

Everybody complains about the left moving the Overton window, and rightfully so.  But Tucker is literally redefining free speech so that he can then spend a half hour generating outrage that fully aligns with all the established narratives on the Trumpy right, even though none of it actually has to do with somebody's free speech rights being infringed.

Y'all are getting played so hard, and it's hilarious because he knows exactly what he is doing and yet everybody actually takes him seriously.

Newsflash--free speech is about protection from retaliation from the government in response to something you say. It has nothing to do with a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you want on any medium you choose.  You don't have a right to be heard, and you don't have the right to be comfortable and left alone to say whatever you want wherever you want to.
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Originally Posted By CMiller:
Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z:
Originally Posted By CMiller:

Okay, I see where this is going so let's just save a bunch of time and skip to the end.

What's your position on showing kiddy porn on broadcast TV at 5:00 p.m. and on billboards by the highway?

We can start there and then work our way backwards until we find where your line is.

I repeat my contention--y'all are framing this in terms of free speech and personal liberty and evil tyranny but really it's just about content you like versus content you don't like.


That analogy falls on its face. Kiddy porn must be taken down and deleted by law. Talking about mail in ballots is not (yet) illegal, so in lieu of deleting it, the armies of shills get deployed

That's a cop out response, you would not accept what you are objecting to now after it was codified in law.

We are talking about censorship, whether overt or covert.

Out of morbid curiosity I started watching the video. I couldn't get 30 seconds in without rolling my eyes and literally laughing out loud.

Everybody complains about the left moving the Overton window, and rightfully so.  But Tucker is literally redefining free speech so that he can then spend a half hour generating outrage that fully aligns with all the established narratives on the Trumpy right, even though none of it actually has to do with somebody's free speech rights being infringed.

Y'all are getting played so hard, and it's hilarious because he knows exactly what he is doing and yet everybody actually takes him seriously.

Newsflash--free speech is about protection from retaliation from the government in response to something you say. It has nothing to do with a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you want on any medium you choose.  You don't have a right to be heard, and you don't have the right to be comfortable and left alone to say whatever you want wherever you want to.
What's your real purpose here, flinging ad hominems, or mocking posters?
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 9:16:42 PM EDT
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8min video

EXPOSED: Google's Ties to the CIA and NSA
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 9:19:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nightstalker:
What's your real purpose here, flinging ad hominems, or mocking posters?
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Getting members pissed off and COCed would be my first guess.    It is trolling hard .

Was a good informative thread .
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 9:41:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

Show me where there was ANY coercion or even a hint of it.
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The raw documents are on Matt Taibbi substack but here are two different news stories including the left leaning daily mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11552469/Emails-FBI-repeatedly-grilled-Twitter-execs-state-propaganda-app.html

https://www.racket.news/p/capsule-summaries-of-all-twitter

if you want to see the actual email exchanges, they are published, I'm just not going to spend the time doing all the work for you

Link Posted: 2/20/2024 9:52:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

Accepting input from government agencies =/= being controlled by government agencies
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Just to be clear.  The FBI had 15 agents physically sitting in and working in the Twitter office spaces.  That is called a "Field Office" in the rest of federal law enforcement.  David


Edit: 60 at Facebook.  15 at Twitter.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 9:54:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
This is the most articulate explanation of how we got here that I have ever heard.
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Link Posted: 2/20/2024 10:10:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dwhitehorne:


Just to be clear.  The FBI had 15 agents physically sitting in and working in the Twitter office spaces.  That is called a "Field Office" in the rest of federal law enforcement.  David


Edit: 60 at Facebook.  15 at Twitter.
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FIB knew the laptop was real , it was direct election interference .
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 10:14:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:

FIB knew the laptop was real , it was direct election interference .
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This.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 10:53:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z:


Benz is talking about government agencies sneaking around through a secret back channel and asking social media companies to ban someone's account or delete their posts because they don't like what that person said. That is retaliation from the government for speech. I would argue that free speech actually does have something to do with the right to express yourself however you want.
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Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z:
Originally Posted By CMiller:

That's a cop out response, you would not accept what you are objecting to now after it was codified in law.

We are talking about censorship, whether overt or covert.

Out of morbid curiosity I started watching the video. I couldn't get 30 seconds in without rolling my eyes and literally laughing out loud.

Everybody complains about the left moving the Overton window, and rightfully so.  But Tucker is literally redefining free speech so that he can then spend a half hour generating outrage that fully aligns with all the established narratives on the Trumpy right, even though none of it actually has to do with somebody's free speech rights being infringed.

Y'all are getting played so hard, and it's hilarious because he knows exactly what he is doing and yet everybody actually takes him seriously.

Newsflash--free speech is about protection from retaliation from the government in response to something you say. It has nothing to do with a right to express yourself whenever and wherever you want on any medium you choose.  You don't have a right to be heard, and you don't have the right to be comfortable and left alone to say whatever you want wherever you want to.


Benz is talking about government agencies sneaking around through a secret back channel and asking social media companies to ban someone's account or delete their posts because they don't like what that person said. That is retaliation from the government for speech. I would argue that free speech actually does have something to do with the right to express yourself however you want.

I'll try to get through the rest of it and come back to comment when I'm done.

But I'm not sure you could say anything that happens in the ecosystem of a private company constitutes suppression of free speech rights or retaliation in response to protected speech if it was legitimately a violation of the terms and conditions for using the site.

Informing Twitter that user X or post Y might be a violation of their terms and deserves more scrutiny may make you unhappy if you like the person or post they are targeting, but it doesn't mean they are violating anybody's free speech rights.  Don't you think they had the usual army of lawyers reviewing everything before setting up these departments and activities?

Anybody who was targeted is welcome to sue the government for violation of their civil rights, and I'm sure they would have no problem crowdfunding to pay good lawyers to pursue the case.

If you don't like how Twitter conducts themselves then that's between you and them.  But the idea that the government using their resources to try and help Twitter do their job constitutes a nefarious evil conspiracy seems a bit ridiculous to me.
Link Posted: 2/20/2024 11:27:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
The raw documents are on Matt Taibbi substack but here are two different news stories including the left leaning daily mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11552469/Emails-FBI-repeatedly-grilled-Twitter-execs-state-propaganda-app.html

https://www.racket.news/p/capsule-summaries-of-all-twitter

if you want to see the actual email exchanges, they are published, I'm just not going to spend the time doing all the work for you

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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Originally Posted By CMiller:

Show me where there was ANY coercion or even a hint of it.
The raw documents are on Matt Taibbi substack but here are two different news stories including the left leaning daily mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11552469/Emails-FBI-repeatedly-grilled-Twitter-execs-state-propaganda-app.html

https://www.racket.news/p/capsule-summaries-of-all-twitter

if you want to see the actual email exchanges, they are published, I'm just not going to spend the time doing all the work for you


I'm looking for anything indicating coercion.  I read your links. I did my own searching. I'm not ignorant about this stuff, I followed the saga closely.  I've never seen any indication of coercion.

Here's Twitter's attorneys arguing against the claims:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/06/tech/twitter-files-lawyers/index.html

A discussion of constitutional concerns:

https://www.thefire.org/news/yes-you-should-be-worried-about-fbis-relationship-twitter

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/frenchpress/did-the-fbis-involvement-with-twitter-violate-the-first-amendment/

I did find this--unfortunately it doesn't have a link to the ruling and I don't know what's happened to the case since the story was written:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-administration-coerced-facebook-court-rules/70800723007/

It's fine if somebody doesn't like what was done, I'm certainly not categorically defending or justifying every detail of the saga. But people are using the concept of free speech much too loosely in an attempt to add authority to their complaints.

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ETA: I went down a rabbit hole and it took me longer than expected to figure out what's going on with this case because they changed the name. But I finally was able to determine that the Supreme Court took it and they are hearing oral arguments in a few weeks:

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/murthy-v-missouri-3/

Should be a very interesting decision.

Here's a summary of the issues in question for anybody interested in catching up:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4228885-what-was-behind-the-fifth-circuits-sudden-reversal-on-social-media-censorship/
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:00:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dwhitehorne:


Just to be clear.  The FBI had 15 agents physically sitting in and working in the Twitter office spaces.  That is called a "Field Office" in the rest of federal law enforcement.  David


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No they didn't according to shillbot CMiller
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:07:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:

Getting members pissed off and COCed would be my first guess.    It is trolling hard .

Was a good informative thread .
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It IS a good informative thread, we are seeing it in action.

He admitted he didn't even watch the interview, he couldn't get passed the first 30 seconds because of his hatred for tucker. Nevermind tucker speaks for less than a minute or two in the entire hour long interview, Benz just lays down the chronology and facts.

I'm done with the blatant shill, In 20 years I haven't used the ignore list, but he is probably the closest anyone has come.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:31:32 AM EDT
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This was a great interview.  

Tucker Carlson's First Discussion Since Putin Interview | World Government Summit 2024 Full Panel
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 11:38:03 AM EDT
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SOAPBOX  ballotbox, jurybox...
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Or in CMiller`s case... Litterbox.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 11:55:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

I'm looking for anything indicating coercion.  I read your links. I did my own searching. I'm not ignorant about this stuff, I followed the saga closely.  I've never seen any indication of coercion.

Here's Twitter's attorneys arguing against the claims:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/06/tech/twitter-files-lawyers/index.html

A discussion of constitutional concerns:

https://www.thefire.org/news/yes-you-should-be-worried-about-fbis-relationship-twitter

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/frenchpress/did-the-fbis-involvement-with-twitter-violate-the-first-amendment/

I did find this--unfortunately it doesn't have a link to the ruling and I don't know what's happened to the case since the story was written:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-administration-coerced-facebook-court-rules/70800723007/

It's fine if somebody doesn't like what was done, I'm certainly not categorically defending or justifying every detail of the saga. But people are using the concept of free speech much too loosely in an attempt to add authority to their complaints.

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ETA: I went down a rabbit hole and it took me longer than expected to figure out what's going on with this case because they changed the name. But I finally was able to determine that the Supreme Court took it and they are hearing oral arguments in a few weeks:

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/murthy-v-missouri-3/

Should be a very interesting decision.

Here's a summary of the issues in question for anybody interested in catching up:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4228885-what-was-behind-the-fifth-circuits-sudden-reversal-on-social-media-censorship/
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Like a flea on the ass of a dog... Crapflood posting only serves to irritate...lol.
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Originally Posted By 1paintball:

Crapflood posting only serves to irritate...lol. https://whoaskedus.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/wpid-tumblr_m1x3pnhxbk1qa8w3to1_250.gif
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Link Posted: 2/21/2024 11:59:25 AM EDT
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Just wrapping up watching this.
if half of what this guy says is true (and I believe it is) then the only solution can be found in Minecraft.

it backs up what I've said all along.. the next civil war will be a global conflict.
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my kids all love Minecraft
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It IS a good informative thread, we are seeing it in action.

He admitted he didn't even watch the interview, he couldn't get passed the first 30 seconds because of his hatred for tucker. Nevermind tucker speaks for less than a minute or two in the entire hour long interview, Benz just lays down the chronology and facts.

I'm done with the blatant shill, In 20 years I haven't used the ignore list, but he is probably the closest anyone has come.
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Uncanny how the narrative Benz lays out draws an "influencer " or wtf it is to attempt to obfuscate and shit on the subject matter presented .  Timing is suspect as well as language used by poster ,  very interesting choice of words and syntax . A writer of stories ?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 12:30:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:

Uncanny how the narrative Benz lays out draws an "influencer " or wtf it is to attempt to obfuscate and shit on the subject matter presented .  Timing is suspect as well as language used by poster ,  very interesting choice of words and syntax . A writer of stories ?
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Originally Posted By 762xIAN:


It IS a good informative thread, we are seeing it in action.

He admitted he didn't even watch the interview, he couldn't get passed the first 30 seconds because of his hatred for tucker. Nevermind tucker speaks for less than a minute or two in the entire hour long interview, Benz just lays down the chronology and facts.

I'm done with the blatant shill, In 20 years I haven't used the ignore list, but he is probably the closest anyone has come.

Uncanny how the narrative Benz lays out draws an "influencer " or wtf it is to attempt to obfuscate and shit on the subject matter presented .  Timing is suspect as well as language used by poster ,  very interesting choice of words and syntax . A writer of stories ?


There has been federal funding for Universities to set up teams and facilities, along with the development of AI tools and narrative-focused (mis/dis)information systems that provide a counter-narrative from which a poster can quote directly or craft a manually customized response (not saying this poster specifically).

Mis/disinformation agents are not just making this stuff up on the fly, independently. The poorly trained ones flame out after a few days of posting at 30 posts/day, some can go on for_months. Nevertheless there is a (mis/dis)information management backbone that they query.
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:

Uncanny how the narrative Benz lays out draws an "influencer " or wtf it is to attempt to obfuscate and shit on the subject matter presented .  Timing is suspect as well as language used by poster ,  very interesting choice of words and syntax . A writer of stories ?
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A human/AI hybrid perhaps? Those are not "it`s" words... (edit: see post above...this)
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 12:58:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 762xIAN:


It IS a good informative thread, we are seeing it in action.

He admitted he didn't even watch the interview, he couldn't get passed the first 30 seconds because of his hatred for tucker. Nevermind tucker speaks for less than a minute or two in the entire hour long interview, Benz just lays down the chronology and facts.

I'm done with the blatant shill, In 20 years I haven't used the ignore list, but he is probably the closest anyone has come.
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Lol



Anyway, I finally got through the whole thing. That's an hour of my life I would really like to have back...

If Tucker really had any journalistic integrity left, he would have been stopping the guy every other sentence and asking him "how do you know that's true?".  If I were doing a reaction video I would just be putting up a graphic that said "assumes facts not in evidence" every 10 seconds.

I'll give the guy credit, he's been working on this schtick for a while and he does a good job of telling an incredible story and making it sound believable.  It's just another example of how when you are a hammer everything looks like a nail. Anybody following him wants it all to be true so they're never going to stop and ask "are you sure that's really a nail?".

I was thinking about trying to do a detailed response to all of it but I just don't think it's worth spending the time, nobody reading this is going to care because they already know what they want to believe.

I just think it's hilarious that all of this supposedly happened while Trump was president. Imagine that--there were thousands if not tens of thousands of people in the government across multiple agencies actively working to defeat his reelection and he had no clue? And everybody thinks the best thing to do in response to that incompetence is to give him another chance?

(Yes yes I know--it turned out the deep state was more powerful than anybody knew, so this time he's going to really do it right and finally get that swamp drained! )
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

I was thinking about trying to do a detailed response to all of it but I just don't think it's worth spending the time, nobody reading this is going to care
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That's the smartest thing you've said in this thread, and probably on the site in general.
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

I was thinking about trying to do a detailed response to all of it but I just don't think it's worth spending the time, nobody reading this is going to care
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Why would anyone care when you've admitted you didn't watch the Benz piece, but argue the fundamentals of every point discussed in that piece up down and sideways, from a position of being misinformed and uninformed in exactly the ways Benz describes

If you believe the earth is flat, and refuse to absorb any evidence that it's a sphere, how can we take you seriously when you argue about flight arrangements ?
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lol
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Originally Posted By Skydivesnake:

Why would anyone care when you've admitted you didn't watch the Benz piece, but argue the fundamentals of every point discussed in that piece up down and sideways, from a position of being misinformed and uninformed in exactly the ways Benz describes

If you believe the earth is flat, and refuse to absorb any evidence that it's a sphere, how can we take you seriously when you argue about flight arrangements ?
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

I was thinking about trying to do a detailed response to all of it but I just don't think it's worth spending the time, nobody reading this is going to care

Why would anyone care when you've admitted you didn't watch the Benz piece, but argue the fundamentals of every point discussed in that piece up down and sideways, from a position of being misinformed and uninformed in exactly the ways Benz describes

If you believe the earth is flat, and refuse to absorb any evidence that it's a sphere, how can we take you seriously when you argue about flight arrangements ?

Lol you literally snipped from a post where I said I watched the whole thing.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 1:51:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Skydivesnake:

Why would anyone care when you've admitted you didn't watch the Benz piece, but argue the fundamentals of every point discussed in that piece up down and sideways, from a position of being misinformed and uninformed in exactly the ways Benz describes

If you believe the earth is flat, and refuse to absorb any evidence that it's a sphere, how can we take you seriously when you argue about flight arrangements ?
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Poster positions itself as a Benz critic , implies an equal knowledge base through it's access to Googled information.   Assures us it is all bullshit and we are simpletons to believe Benz .   I read a good portion of the Twitter files as did many here , we know what we read in real time and it was pretty objective .  .Gov got caught interfering in an election and more.  Don't know if I'd even heard of Benz approaching the topic at that time .
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 2:13:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:

Poster positions itself as a Benz critic , implies an equal knowledge base through it's access to Googled information.   Assures us it is all bullshit and we are simpletons to believe Benz .   I read a good portion of the Twitter files as did many here , we know what we read in real time and it was pretty objective .  .Gov got caught interfering in an election and more.  Don't know if I'd even heard of Benz approaching the topic at that time .
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Benz (and Tucker) are peeing on your leg and telling you it's raining.

Normally that illustration is supposed to tell you they are dishonest hucksters peddling BS.

Instead what's happening is you really want to believe it's raining so you let them continue to pee on your leg while you tell them they are amazing meteorologists and you pay them money to keep telling you the weather.

It's really quite insane, but if you've been doing it for years already it just seems normal now.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 2:21:51 PM EDT
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With this failure to win hearts and minds, your supervisor isn't going to give you that promotion you're after in the MoT.
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Link Posted: 2/21/2024 2:55:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xciapup:
This is the government our founders warned us about.  Right here.  Right now.
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And WE sat on our collective asses and let it happpen.
America Idol, sportsball, etc...etc...
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 3:21:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dwhitehorne:


Just to be clear.  The FBI had 15 agents physically sitting in and working in the Twitter office spaces.  That is called a "Field Office" in the rest of federal law enforcement.  David


Edit: 60 at Facebook.  15 at Twitter.
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

Accepting input from government agencies =/= being controlled by government agencies


Just to be clear.  The FBI had 15 agents physically sitting in and working in the Twitter office spaces.  That is called a "Field Office" in the rest of federal law enforcement.  David


Edit: 60 at Facebook.  15 at Twitter.

... and that's only FBI knowns.

Who knows how many other agencies had assets sheep dipped and placed in thse places.

Note that ... again ... the collected intel communities have been copying, analyzing, and tagging ALL internet traffic since at a bare minimum 2005  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A   , AND you *cannot* trust any org to tell you when they've been issued at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter gag order.

Goatboy will very likely know about the gag letters. He can't tell you if arf has had one. That's how it's designed to work.  

Yall should check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary - it's not much reading.

Companies and organizations that no longer have warrant canaries

The following is a non-exhaustive list of companies and organizations whose warrant canaries no longer appear in transparency reports:

   Apple[22]
   Reddit[23]
   Silent Circle[24]


People in the company or involved in the cases CANNOT talk to anyone about this, without the governnment coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

And realistically, while I think the canaries are an interesting effort, I wouldn't begin to 100% trust them. Even if they worked ideally and as designed, it only would mean no warrants of that kind issued. Not that your stuff wasn't compromised. Honestly, I think they just inspire false confidence.

It's worth noting those who had them and can no longer update them though.


This is just some of the infrastructure that underlies how the intel/state / doj censorship complex are able to pull their stuff off.

How do you think they can direct their censorship software and political commisars masquerading as moderators if they don't know where to send them ... think about the massive scale of the task.

Here's one example from one platform: https://www.smh.com.au/technology/facebook-saves-everything-you-type--even-if-you-dont-publish-it-20131214-2zdk0.html

We spend a lot of time thinking about what to post on Facebook. Should you argue that political point your high school friend made? Do your friends really want to see yet another photo of your cat (or baby)? Most of us have, at one time or another, started writing something and then, probably wisely, changed our minds.

Unfortunately, the code that powers Facebook still knows what you typed – even if you decide not to publish it. It turns out the things you explicitly choose not to share aren't entirely private.

Facebook calls these unposted thoughts "self-censorship", and insights into how it collects these non-posts can be found in a recent paper written by two Facebookers. Sauvik Das, a PhD student at Carnegie Mellon and summer software engineer intern at Facebook, and Adam Kramer, a Facebook data scientist, have put online an article presenting their study of the self-censorship behaviour collected from 5 million English-speaking Facebook users. It reveals a lot about how Facebook monitors our unshared thoughts and what it thinks about them.


For anyone with more than a passing interest...



https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?full=on&ac=sl&st=sl&qi=4HigynE4G7WfzSVgHUs1nIgwWQc_1708543101_1%3A21698%3A36906

Written at the popular level. Yeah, the guy is not politically really "on our side" but he exposes a lot of unknown history.

You can learn a lot just by being mildly curious and reading a few books. Yt vids ont he topic are pretty informative. One of the more useful lines of info in this book is that it shows you how private companies are either intentionally in bed with government surveillance or so backdoored and compromised by them that they just function as fronts. They have influence in the process because they have so much money and the government needs it.


--------

And the moral of today's post is ... maintain your real life face to face friendships.

Preferably at least sometimes away from ALL tech.

Go fishing or hunting and make real friendships. Not for ulterior purposes. Make real friends.

Carry your sneakers in your fishingnets too.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 3:23:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tin_Star:


And WE sat on our collective asses and let it happpen.
America Idol, sportsball, etc...etc...
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Originally Posted By Tin_Star:
Originally Posted By xciapup:
This is the government our founders warned us about.  Right here.  Right now.


And WE sat on our collective asses and let it happpen.
America Idol, sportsball, etc...etc...

The patriot act inspired a lot of yelling but not enough effective pushback to stop it.

The intel communities being turned on us to the level they have been, and the DOJ/State department recently? We didn't really know about those on the mass public level till after the fact.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 3:39:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

... and that's only FBI knowns.

Who knows how many other agencies had assets sheep dipped and placed in thse places.

Note that ... again ... the collected intel communities have been copying, analyzing, and tagging ALL internet traffic since at a bare minimum 2005  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A   , AND you *cannot* trust any org to tell you when they've been issued at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter gag order.

Goatboy will very likely know about the gag letters. He can't tell you if arf has had one. That's how it's designed to work.  

Yall should check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary - it's not much reading.

Companies and organizations that no longer have warrant canaries

The following is a non-exhaustive list of companies and organizations whose warrant canaries no longer appear in transparency reports:

   Apple[22]
   Reddit[23]
   Silent Circle[24]


People in the company or involved in the cases CANNOT talk to anyone about this, without the governnment coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

And realistically, while I think the canaries are an interesting effort, I wouldn't begin to 100% trust them. Even if they worked ideally and as designed, it only would mean no warrants of that kind issued. Not that your stuff wasn't compromised. Honestly, I think they just inspire false confidence.

It's worth noting those who had them and can no longer update them though.


This is just some of the infrastructure that underlies how the intel/state / doj censorship complex are able to pull their stuff off.

How do you think they can direct their censorship software and political commisars masquerading as moderators if they don't know where to send them ... think about the massive scale of the task.

Here's one example from one platform: https://www.smh.com.au/technology/facebook-saves-everything-you-type--even-if-you-dont-publish-it-20131214-2zdk0.html

We spend a lot of time thinking about what to post on Facebook. Should you argue that political point your high school friend made? Do your friends really want to see yet another photo of your cat (or baby)? Most of us have, at one time or another, started writing something and then, probably wisely, changed our minds.

Unfortunately, the code that powers Facebook still knows what you typed – even if you decide not to publish it. It turns out the things you explicitly choose not to share aren't entirely private.

Facebook calls these unposted thoughts "self-censorship", and insights into how it collects these non-posts can be found in a recent paper written by two Facebookers. Sauvik Das, a PhD student at Carnegie Mellon and summer software engineer intern at Facebook, and Adam Kramer, a Facebook data scientist, have put online an article presenting their study of the self-censorship behaviour collected from 5 million English-speaking Facebook users. It reveals a lot about how Facebook monitors our unshared thoughts and what it thinks about them.


For anyone with more than a passing interest...

https://malwarwickonbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Surveillance-Valley.jpg

https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?full=on&ac=sl&st=sl&qi=4HigynE4G7WfzSVgHUs1nIgwWQc_1708543101_1%3A21698%3A36906

Written at the popular level. Yeah, the guy is not politically really "on our side" but he exposes a lot of unknown history.

You can learn a lot just by being mildly curious and reading a few books. Yt vids ont he topic are pretty informative. One of the more useful lines of info in this book is that it shows you how private companies are either intentionally in bed with government surveillance or so backdoored and compromised by them that they just function as fronts. They have influence in the process because they have so much money and the government needs it.


--------

And the moral of today's post is ... maintain your real life face to face friendships.

Preferably at least sometimes away from ALL tech.

Go fishing or hunting and make real friendships. Not for ulterior purposes. Make real friends.

Carry your sneakers in your fishingnets too.
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If they were going after people you thought were real bad guys, would you still be complaining so much?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 4:27:00 PM EDT
[#40]
Another great Benz monologue
https://x.com/texaslindsay_/status/1760176467726479757?s=61&t=kxZ0lCHT5PtfVXRtpASqnQ

the history of dirty tricks

Link Posted: 2/21/2024 4:32:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CMiller:

If they were going after people you thought were real bad guys, would you still be complaining so much?
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Link Posted: 2/21/2024 4:38:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nightstalker:
Another great Benz monologue
https://x.com/texaslindsay_/status/1760176467726479757?s=61&t=kxZ0lCHT5PtfVXRtpASqnQ

the history of dirty tricks

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Good one, repeating some of what he said during the TC interview buy a little more detail.

He posted it today and it has a half a million views already. There is hope folks are waking up. Fighting back is a different story, but being awake is a start.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 4:43:30 PM EDT
[#43]
I haven’t had a chance to watch this piece.

I’m sure knowing Google and the fed govt in general, it’s certainly plausible.

But unfortunately Tuckers at best shoddy and openly deceptive reporting on other things calls in to question all his other work, including this.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 4:55:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
I haven't had a chance to watch this piece.

I'm sure knowing Google and the fed govt in general, it's certainly plausible.

But unfortunately Tuckers at best shoddy and openly deceptive reporting on other things calls in to question all his other work, including this.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
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Tucker says like three words.  Watch it.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 4:58:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
I haven’t had a chance to watch this piece.

I’m sure knowing Google and the fed govt in general, it’s certainly plausible.

But unfortunately Tuckers at best shoddy and openly deceptive reporting on other things calls in to question all his other work, including this.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
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Even if you believe that, the video posted is 99% Michael Benz talking.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 5:05:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
I haven’t had a chance to watch this piece.

I’m sure knowing Google and the fed govt in general, it’s certainly plausible.

But unfortunately Tuckers at best shoddy and openly deceptive reporting on other things calls in to question all his other work, including this.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
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It's not plausible.

It's known fact, in the same way that we know russiagate happened and was built on false premises.

The censorship is known and and admitted to have happened, and we know that the people that did it are government cut out (the head of one of the biggest orgs doing it bluntly admitted it as much as he could "it's illegal for the government to do this, so we do it."

This is at least few steps above plausible.

ETA: if you don't want to hear anything from tucker. Scan up the thread and grab the twitter video I linked from benz.

It is him and him alone laying it out in about 36 minutes.

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ETA: here.
The 36m vid
https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1666925704334950402

A longer one by him on an entirely different venue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaOlDV4IDOQ
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 5:18:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
I haven’t had a chance to watch this piece.

I’m sure knowing Google and the fed govt in general, it’s certainly plausible.

But unfortunately Tuckers at best shoddy and openly deceptive reporting on other things calls in to question all his other work, including this.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
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I'll save you the time.

Benz: "you know all those government and private efforts to combat misinformation and propaganda on the internet, especially in social media?  ACHSHUALLY it's all part of a big conspiracy that traces back to NATO because they want to control the world and they realized that if people have access to the internet without restriction they will lose their control and they can't have that.  So they put thousands of government and private employees to work doing a bunch of devious illegal stuff (insert obligatory references to AI and scary algorithms and other tech terms) while Trump was president and got away with it completely undetected until this one brave Warrior for Truth started exposing it."

Tucker: "this is amazing and unbelievable information you are sharing, I've never heard this before!"

I can't believe they didn't wrap it up with an appeal for contributions so they can keep fighting for you.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 5:29:05 PM EDT
[#48]
All of this TC stuff reminds me of something I've experienced somewhere else.

Even some conservatives would avoid going on rush's show because they knew that once they did, they would be treated entirely differently - and not based on what they thought or had done, but merely because they went on his show.

Which had nothing to do with rush, and in this comparison has nothing to do with tucker.

We are watching peope practice secondary seperation.
https://www.gotquestions.org/secondary-separation.html
Secondary separation works like this:
a) Mr. False is a heretic, teaching a false gospel.
b) We refuse to associate with Mr. False (and rightly so).
c) Mr. True, who is a sound, biblical teacher, speaks at a conference where Mr. False is also speaking.
d) We now refuse to associate with Mr. True, because of his association with Mr. False.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 5:30:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 762xIAN:
Originally Posted By CMiller:

If they were going after people you thought were real bad guys, would you still be complaining so much?

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/63650/Strawman_jpg-3136653.JPG

We are the bad guys in .gov's worldview .

We all remember Nina Jankowicz ?  , she called the laptop a " Trump campaign product " ,  she was supposed to head the Disinformation Governance Board , she got the disinformation part right from the start .
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 5:57:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:

We are the bad guys in .gov's worldview .

We all remember Nina Jankowicz ?  , she called the laptop a " Trump campaign product " ,  she was supposed to head the Disinformation Governance Board , she got the disinformation part right from the start .
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Originally Posted By Morlawn66:
Originally Posted By 762xIAN:
Originally Posted By CMiller:

If they were going after people you thought were real bad guys, would you still be complaining so much?

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/63650/Strawman_jpg-3136653.JPG

We are the bad guys in .gov's worldview .

We all remember Nina Jankowicz ?  , she called the laptop a " Trump campaign product " ,  she was supposed to head the Disinformation Governance Board , she got the disinformation part right from the start .

My point exactly.

People aren't objecting to this on principle, they just don't like the idea that somebody out there may disagree with them and resist their efforts to turn the real world into their fantasy world.

If they thought this was only targeted at antifa they would be celebrating it.

It's like a spoiled toddler throwing a fit because Mommy said no.

"How dare they try to stop me from spreading unverified information and fake news propaganda wherever I want to???!!!! Waaaaaaa!"
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