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Posted: 10/18/2019 11:24:29 PM EDT
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There's a lot of good people in Mexico that work hard and just want to live in peace despite what GDs overall perception of that country is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/18/2019 11:25:07 PM EDT
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Much of the funding for cartel violence in Mexico comes from U.S drug consumption. And that's a whole other situation. https://www.businessinsider.com/where-do-mexican-drug-cartels-operate-in-the-us-2017-10 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/168605/cartel_influence_map_jpg-1128320.JPG 
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Posted: 10/18/2019 11:27:12 PM EDT
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Would be nice to hear @Sylvan 's analysis of how to deal with the situtation, both from our perspective and from that of a hypothetical uncorrupted MX government. Seems anytime they grab one of these cartel leaders, they should immediately move them out of the area where they were captured. To where, I'm not sure. Just look at the guy though, he knows they're going to release him. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHIjvEBXkAA8ETq?format=jpg&name=medium |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 11:39:42 PM EDT
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 Attempt to capture El Chapo’s son leads to shootout |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 11:43:46 PM EDT
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Mexico is essentially a failed state at this point. It's like the Afghan National Army, minus the US & NATO, vs the Taliban. We all know who really runs the show and is going to prevail. |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 11:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me if the Sun Tzu rule of always leaving your enemy a way out. If you corner them, you are forcing them to fight to the death and unnecessarily incur many casualties on your side. “Just walk away and we’ll forget this ever happened.”  If the Mex.gov is serious about controlling the cartels, it buys them time to prepare the battlefield. Trouble is the Mexican politicians have no intention of doing anything, except languishing in the wealth they steal from the common man there. Zero chance of anything changing, for the better. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:23:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly at this point I think they make the leap to politics. Seriously. Yesterday was their debut on the world stage as a force to be reckoned with. Mexico is neck deep in 4th generation warfare and yesterday was the first highly public indication they are helplessly lost. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:27:05 AM EDT
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Watch that video I just posted. They can muscle into whatever hell they want. Or are you saying drugs is small change for them? In that case what is the large contributor activity for their revenue. I am of the understanding drugs are the primary revenue. No? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:43:53 AM EDT
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2A? At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, if the cartel sets up a roadblock or a checkpoint in my neighborhood and 911 isn't answering.... well... that's when the clock says FO. I think that's what AKengineer was alluding to earlier. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:49:02 AM EDT
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It's usually real bad news when the government is not able to wield overwhelming power. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:50:15 AM EDT
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The blame starts..
Washington DC federal judge's arrest warrant 'is responsible for Mexican authorities' botched attempt to capture El Chapo's son that turned Sinaloa into an urban warzone' The failed raid to capture El Chapo's son on Thursday, which led to the death of eight people in Mexico, was kicked off by an arrest warrant issued by a federal judge in Washington, DC. Mexican security forces aborted an attempt to capture Ovidio Guzman Lopez, one of imprisoned drug lord Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman's sons, Thursday in Culiacan, in the Sinaloa state, after finding themselves outgunned in a ferocious shootout with cartel henchmen that left at least eight people dead and more than 20 wounded. Authorities said 35 troops arrived at a home Thursday afternoon to arrest Ovidio on a 2018 extradition request from the US. Although they entered the home where Ovidio and three others were inside, they did not take him into custody. Continued |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:53:42 AM EDT
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2A? At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, if the cartel sets up a roadblock or a checkpoint in my neighborhood and 911 isn't answering.... well... that's when the clock says FO. I think that's what AKengineer was alluding to earlier. Edit: Holy shit I just saw your location.. 
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:55:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are probably right. When I read AMLOs rambling statement I thought, This guy is a straight up figurehead for the cartel. I believe the cartel is in fact running the country and a few people in the Army did not get the memo yet. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 1:23:45 AM EDT
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I still can't figure out why Trump didn't go through with his threat regarding designating Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations.
A lot of people in America are completely unaware of the extreme violence going outside our borders. I feel like if Trump actually went through with it, it would force the media to confront him and create a dialogue where they can't just ignore the problem. Plus it would give the White House a chance to play a bunch of recent footage that went down in Mexico and ask the press "Can you say with a straight face that this ISN'T terrorism?? And this is RIGHT outside our own borders, not halfway across the globe." Trump needs to find a way to force the press into reporting on it. If takes some action or another threat, so be it. It's just pissing me off after having a conversation with a group at a bar and no one had any idea of what happened in Mexico. Having the word "Terrorist" associated with an organization just gives it more of a impact. It's not just some simple "drug violence" deal. So what is stopping Trump from going through with this? It's obviously not getting any better yet I feel like we're completely ignoring the situation when we have a perfect moment to act. Remember this? https://www.mrt.com/news/article/Trump-Very-seriously-considering-designating-13681913.php President Donald Trump in an interview published Tuesday said his administration is thinking "very seriously" about designating Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. "We are. We are," Trump told Breitbart News. "We're thinking about doing it very seriously. In fact, we've been thinking about it for a long time. . . . As terrorists - as terrorist organizations, the answer is yes. They are." According to the State Department, a foreign terrorist organization (FTO) must be a foreign organization that either practices or has the means to practice terrorism and "threatens the security of United States nationals or the national security of the United States." Republican lawmakers have pushed legislation to allow such a designation for drug cartels. Last month, Reps. Mark Green, R-Tenn., and Chip Roy, R-Texas, presented a similar proposal to the State Department, seeking to apply terrorist sanctions on cartel members and third parties providing them assistance. "Mexico, unfortunately, has lost control of the cartels," Trump said during his Oval Office interview with Breitbart editors and reporters, conducted Monday. "They've totally lost control of the cartels." |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 1:46:15 AM EDT
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Do you just put all your gear on and pose in front of the mirror or are you one of those boating accident guys? Edit: Holy shit I just saw your location..
Fuck, you guys really are turning blue. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 1:57:04 AM EDT
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Some things to observe on this shit show of a op.
Most of the Federales are flown in from Mexico City. This op stems from a provisional arrest warrant, basically being arrested and extradited to the US. We've played this game before on several arrest attempts with Chapo and what works id not allowing Mexicans to know what we know. Hard to do when they have their own country. SO comes down to Mexican army being cozy with Sinaloan Cartel. It's understandable. Who would you place your loyalty with? A generous and loyal employer who has your back, or department heads 1500 miles away who will come, jack up everything and leave and never have your back, Seems to me Mexican army, literally following the federales, left the federales facing a hardened threat, and your back up, is your enemy's back up. They have recorded radio traffic with the cartels telling a military commander to remember his job. and threatened to pick up his family. So put your self in those federales shoes. You are not from Culiacan, facing a well armed and organized threat. The biggest dogs that is supposed to get your back will turn their guns on you at the first chance. I'm glad this happened. It needed to happen. I'm glad chapos kid came out on top. Why? Because it finally openly exposed the entrenched corruption along with how useless AMLO really is. The negative side, other cartels and maybe terrorist org will so take advantage of this. We will see more and more transfer of power as Mexico City lose control of their own army. Also noted, Chapo's wife, one of her body guards was nabbed some time ago. And bam, now we know where Chapo son was at. Hmmm... Another big neg, AMLO just barely finished off his 1st year. 5 more years to go. A socialist who so adores Castro and Hugo Chavez, has zero back bone and caves in the Americn demands. And then caves in to cartel demands. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:01:54 AM EDT
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Do you just put all your gear on and pose in front of the mirror or are you one of those boating accident guys? Edit: Holy shit I just saw your location..
Fuck, you guys really are turning blue. 
And no, you're not doing shit by yourself. Unless you're a part of our active military engaged in a full scale operation you ,and almost if not all, LEO agencies wouldn't have a chance against them in a gun fight. Didn't you see them rolling in caravans 50 or 60 vehicles deep with mounted 50 cals, RPGS, LAWs. etc? You really think that AZ State troopers would stand a chance? Fuck no. Why post internet bravado over this kind of bullshit? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:04:58 AM EDT
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He also did not grasp that I was in part lamenting that we do not have a well regulated force between LE and the military. The organized militia does not exist and probably has not since the Civil War. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:34:47 AM EDT
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I wonder how well a local US police force could deal with that level of violence if that were to happen here. Say we had the kid here and they came with that. Dorner made Socal agencies lose their minds. And that was one tard. A coordinated attack like that in the US would be a goat rodeo. All the toys PDs like to buy a show off on TV don't mean much when the response is incompetent. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:39:43 AM EDT
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Some things to observe on this shit show of a op. Most of the Federales are flown in from Mexico City. This op stems from a provisional arrest warrant, basically being arrested and extradited to the US. We've played this game before on several arrest attempts with Chapo and what works id not allowing Mexicans to know what we know. Hard to do when they have their own country. SO comes down to Mexican army being cozy with Sinaloan Cartel. It's understandable. Who would you place your loyalty with? A generous and loyal employer who has your back, or department heads 1500 miles away who will come, jack up everything and leave and never have your back, Seems to me Mexican army, literally following the federales, left the federales facing a hardened threat, and your back up, is your enemy's back up. They have recorded radio traffic with the cartels telling a military commander to remember his job. and threatened to pick up his family. So put your self in those federales shoes. You are not from Culiacan, facing a well armed and organized threat. The biggest dogs that is supposed to get your back will turn their guns on you at the first chance. I'm glad this happened. It needed to happen. I'm glad chapos kid came out on top. Why? Because it finally openly exposed the entrenched corruption along with how useless AMLO really is. The negative side, other cartels and maybe terrorist org will so take advantage of this. We will see more and more transfer of power as Mexico City lose control of their own army. Also noted, Chapo's wife, one of her body guards was nabbed some time ago. And bam, now we know where Chapo son was at. Hmmm... Another big neg, AMLO just barely finished off his 1st year. 5 more years to go. A socialist who so adores Castro and Hugo Chavez, has zero back bone and caves in the Americn demands. And then caves in to cartel demands. wtf do you do ? Sounds like you have some kind of dog in this fight or some kind of related experience with this stuff ... 
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:52:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:53:47 AM EDT
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I doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where I live and Fuck California. Route 91 pretty much schooled us on what one guy can do. I’m pretty sure we hold a current record right now.
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Posted: 10/19/2019 3:04:10 AM EDT
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Jesus Cmon guys, this isn’t call of duty. Unless you have every single neighbor armed and well versed in small squad movements. If You engage these folks your entire neighborhood burns to the ground via AP incendiaries from those .50s The house in Mexico don’t burn, they are all made of concrete block. Our house burn quite easily and quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/19/2019 3:05:52 AM EDT
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I’ve heard it was more than that. They allegedly rounded up cops,soldiers and their families. They would have been executed. Now just shoot him in the head it’s all calmed down Quote HistoryQuoted:
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did I hear right on Tucker that Mexican "authorities"  let the son go because they were getting their ass handed to them?
if true that's nuts They allegedly rounded up cops,soldiers and their families. They would have been executed. Now just shoot him in the head it’s all calmed down |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 4:46:42 AM EDT
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I doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where I live and Fuck California. Route 91 pretty much schooled us on what one guy can do. I’m pretty sure we hold a current record right now.
Time out...If you are still buying the BS story that Paddock shot all those people, you need to start paying more attention. Wow... John E. Hoover @ YouTube is a start. Hell, the Feds are even giving our very own NOLO the run around regarding FOIA requests for simple shit. Yes, I had family/friends there also, and I'll believe them over the media and .Gov any day. Carry on Arfcom. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 5:02:22 AM EDT
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It's not that I couldn't grasp it, you just didn't make a clear point, if that even was your point. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also did not grasp that I was in part lamenting that we do not have a well regulated force between LE and the military. The organized militia does not exist and probably has not since the Civil War. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. Barrett guy proned out in the street... dead. Jose and Hose B in the back of that white F350 just stopped in the middle of the street being filmed from a second-story balcony... dead. You get the drop on someone and it doesn't matter what they're armed with. The day would have gone much differently had people been armed. I mostly post this internet bravado bullshit because I want to introduce the idea that it's ok to defend your homeland against a terrorist army. Is that not what the 2A is for? If you disagree then turn your shit in, move back to Connecticut, cower under your bed and quit embarrassing Sam Houston. 
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Posted: 10/19/2019 5:21:05 AM EDT
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Lol... most of them are under 30 because that is your life expectancy and that line of work. JFC every time they're in an actual firefight they get massacred by the dozens because most are spray-and-pray retards with little to no training. Notice how they tool around the city nonchalantly because they don't have to worry about an armed civilian population. Barrett guy proned out in the street... dead. Jose and Hose B in the back of that white F350 just stopped in the middle of the street being filmed from a second-story balcony... dead. You get the drop on someone and it doesn't matter what they're armed with. The day would have gone much differently had people been armed. I mostly post this internet bravado bullshit because I want to introduce the idea that it's ok to defend your homeland against a terrorist army. Is that not what the 2A is for? If you disagree then turn your shit in, move back to Connecticut, cower under your bed and quit embarrassing Sam Houston. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also did not grasp that I was in part lamenting that we do not have a well regulated force between LE and the military. The organized militia does not exist and probably has not since the Civil War. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. Barrett guy proned out in the street... dead. Jose and Hose B in the back of that white F350 just stopped in the middle of the street being filmed from a second-story balcony... dead. You get the drop on someone and it doesn't matter what they're armed with. The day would have gone much differently had people been armed. I mostly post this internet bravado bullshit because I want to introduce the idea that it's ok to defend your homeland against a terrorist army. Is that not what the 2A is for? If you disagree then turn your shit in, move back to Connecticut, cower under your bed and quit embarrassing Sam Houston. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 5:34:51 AM EDT
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Lol... most of them are under 30 because that is your life expectancy and that line of work. JFC every time they're in an actual firefight they get massacred by the dozens because most are spray-and-pray retards with little to no training. Notice how they tool around the city nonchalantly because they don't have to worry about an armed civilian population. Barrett guy proned out in the street... dead. Jose and Hose B in the back of that white F350 just stopped in the middle of the street being filmed from a second-story balcony... dead. You get the drop on someone and it doesn't matter what they're armed with. The day would have gone much differently had people been armed. I mostly post this internet bravado bullshit because I want to introduce the idea that it's ok to defend your homeland against a terrorist army. Is that not what the 2A is for? If you disagree then turn your shit in, move back to Connecticut, cower under your bed and quit embarrassing Sam Houston. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also did not grasp that I was in part lamenting that we do not have a well regulated force between LE and the military. The organized militia does not exist and probably has not since the Civil War. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. Barrett guy proned out in the street... dead. Jose and Hose B in the back of that white F350 just stopped in the middle of the street being filmed from a second-story balcony... dead. You get the drop on someone and it doesn't matter what they're armed with. The day would have gone much differently had people been armed. I mostly post this internet bravado bullshit because I want to introduce the idea that it's ok to defend your homeland against a terrorist army. Is that not what the 2A is for? If you disagree then turn your shit in, move back to Connecticut, cower under your bed and quit embarrassing Sam Houston. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 6:13:46 AM EDT
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So where is their headquarters?
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Posted: 10/19/2019 6:19:13 AM EDT
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NAFTA is a great enabler of Chinese stuff through Mex/Canada into the US. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread inspired me to head over to Borderland Beat for a bit. Wow. One article on the Chicoms and their drug leader compared to.Guzman http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/10/the-hunt-for-asias-el-chapo.html They did mention Chinese preference for running things through Canada. There was a thread recently that had a darksky map of US & Canada. I was astonished at the number and intensity of lights in Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba. Wonder if its chinese moving in. Lemme go find it. Here Have a look. Population seems to be exploding, compare to say the Seattle-PDX corridor or MPLS, even SF Also if you poke around that map, Area 51 shows up pretty bright in the middle of nowhere. Wonder if they have lights pointing up to blind enemy satellites at night or something. Awful bright for just a bunch of buildings and a runway... (The chinese "ghost cities" were built to make the chinese economy look bigger than it is, to make the amount of money they have in circulation seem more legit). Chinese buy up real estate with all-cash offers, pushing out the locals. A soft invasion. They vote for and effect pro-Chinese policy. Vancouver has the most expensive real estate in the world, because of a long-term plan by the CCCP to send out Chinese nationals to Vancoiver and buy it up. They want the real estate to be expensive, because they're using monopoly money and canucks/Americans aren't. Anyone on the west coast has seen the huge influx of chinese buyers with all-cash offers. One of the things that made vancoiver real estate get so expensive was the deregulation of ADU's, or granny units. All of a sudden every property could also be income-producing, and now the canuck is really priced out. This happened about 10 years ago. Guess what california state legislators recently passed on a Friday night, to buty it in the news cycle? Statewide ADU deregulation. State preemption of deregulation over localities. Writers of the CA leg bill are all linked to China. They want to do to California what happened to Vancouver- and with the help of dem politicians, a media who has barely made a peep about this massive change in real estate happenings, and chinese printing presses running 24/7, they shouldn't have much trouble At least 53% of the people living in Vancouver spoke Chinese as their first language. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 6:40:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou link a one second video?
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Posted: 10/19/2019 6:52:26 AM EDT
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He also did not grasp that I was in part lamenting that we do not have a well regulated force between LE and the military. The organized militia does not exist and probably has not since the Civil War. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. Barrett guy proned out in the street... dead. Jose and Hose B in the back of that white F350 just stopped in the middle of the street being filmed from a second-story balcony... dead. You get the drop on someone and it doesn't matter what they're armed with. The day would have gone much differently had people been armed. I mostly post this internet bravado bullshit because I want to introduce the idea that it's ok to defend your homeland against a terrorist army. Is that not what the 2A is for? If you disagree then turn your shit in, move back to Connecticut, cower under your bed and quit embarrassing Sam Houston. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 7:17:30 AM EDT
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It's not that I couldn't grasp it, you just didn't make a clear point, if that even was your point. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also did not grasp that I was in part lamenting that we do not have a well regulated force between LE and the military. The organized militia does not exist and probably has not since the Civil War. Too many tough guys talk about the cartels like they were just petty criminals. Many of these guy have direct, or indirect, military training. We're talking US military for some of the them going back to the 1980s. A well armed civilian population, willing to fight, will fuck your shit up. So will well funded security forces who are supported by the civilian population and employ superior equipment. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 7:18:41 AM EDT
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Never saw that site before, definitely bookmarked. One article on the Chicoms and their drug leader compared to.Guzman http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/10/the-hunt-for-asias-el-chapo.html They did mention Chinese preference for running things through Canada. There was a thread recently that had a darksky map of US & Canada. I was astonished at the number and intensity of lights in Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba. Wonder if its chinese moving in. Lemme go find it. Here Have a look. Population seems to be exploding, compare to say the Seattle-PDX corridor or MPLS, even SF Also if you poke around that map, Area 51 shows up pretty bright in the middle of nowhere. Wonder if they have lights pointing up to blind enemy satellites at night or something. Awful bright for just a bunch of buildings and a runway... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread inspired me to head over to Borderland Beat for a bit. Wow. One article on the Chicoms and their drug leader compared to.Guzman http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/10/the-hunt-for-asias-el-chapo.html They did mention Chinese preference for running things through Canada. There was a thread recently that had a darksky map of US & Canada. I was astonished at the number and intensity of lights in Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba. Wonder if its chinese moving in. Lemme go find it. Here Have a look. Population seems to be exploding, compare to say the Seattle-PDX corridor or MPLS, even SF Also if you poke around that map, Area 51 shows up pretty bright in the middle of nowhere. Wonder if they have lights pointing up to blind enemy satellites at night or something. Awful bright for just a bunch of buildings and a runway... 
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Posted: 10/19/2019 7:39:57 AM EDT
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Very little muzzle discipline going on in that truck  yea...how about we get you a bus ticket and send you down to address it |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:21:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:39:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:40:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The cartels are already here and how hard is it to get firearms and explosives? They can get those here and if not I hear they’re pretty good at sneaking stuff across the border. You think El Chapo wants to die in a US prison? His boys have the financial resources to buy an army. Hell they have one already. Yet they won’t do a dam thing on US soil to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. Why do you think that is? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:41:57 AM EDT
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AMLO capitulated. He is the Bernie Sanders of Mexico so that is no surprise IMO.
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:53:41 AM EDT
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I still can't figure out why Trump didn't go through with his threat regarding designating Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations. A lot of people in America are completely unaware of the extreme violence going outside our borders. I feel like if Trump actually went through with it, it would force the media to confront him and create a dialogue where they can't just ignore the problem. Plus it would give the White House a chance to play a bunch of recent footage that went down in Mexico and ask the press "Can you say with a straight face that this ISN'T terrorism?? And this is RIGHT outside our own borders, not halfway across the globe." Trump needs to find a way to force the press into reporting on it. If takes some action or another threat, so be it. It's just pissing me off after having a conversation with a group at a bar and no one had any idea of what happened in Mexico. Having the word "Terrorist" associated with an organization just gives it more of a impact. It's not just some simple "drug violence" deal. So what is stopping Trump from going through with this? It's obviously not getting any better yet I feel like we're completely ignoring the situation when we have a perfect moment to act. Remember this? https://www.mrt.com/news/article/Trump-Very-seriously-considering-designating-13681913.php Quote HistoryQuoted:
I still can't figure out why Trump didn't go through with his threat regarding designating Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations. A lot of people in America are completely unaware of the extreme violence going outside our borders. I feel like if Trump actually went through with it, it would force the media to confront him and create a dialogue where they can't just ignore the problem. Plus it would give the White House a chance to play a bunch of recent footage that went down in Mexico and ask the press "Can you say with a straight face that this ISN'T terrorism?? And this is RIGHT outside our own borders, not halfway across the globe." Trump needs to find a way to force the press into reporting on it. If takes some action or another threat, so be it. It's just pissing me off after having a conversation with a group at a bar and no one had any idea of what happened in Mexico. Having the word "Terrorist" associated with an organization just gives it more of a impact. It's not just some simple "drug violence" deal. So what is stopping Trump from going through with this? It's obviously not getting any better yet I feel like we're completely ignoring the situation when we have a perfect moment to act. Remember this? https://www.mrt.com/news/article/Trump-Very-seriously-considering-designating-13681913.php President Donald Trump in an interview published Tuesday said his administration is thinking "very seriously" about designating Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. "We are. We are," Trump told Breitbart News. "We're thinking about doing it very seriously. In fact, we've been thinking about it for a long time. . . . As terrorists - as terrorist organizations, the answer is yes. They are." According to the State Department, a foreign terrorist organization (FTO) must be a foreign organization that either practices or has the means to practice terrorism and "threatens the security of United States nationals or the national security of the United States." Republican lawmakers have pushed legislation to allow such a designation for drug cartels. Last month, Reps. Mark Green, R-Tenn., and Chip Roy, R-Texas, presented a similar proposal to the State Department, seeking to apply terrorist sanctions on cartel members and third parties providing them assistance. "Mexico, unfortunately, has lost control of the cartels," Trump said during his Oval Office interview with Breitbart editors and reporters, conducted Monday. "They've totally lost control of the cartels." |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:55:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, I think the corruption is a by-product of the old colonial caste system that's in a lot of ways, culturally still alive today in Mexico. The rest of your commentary is solid as well. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:21:52 AM EDT
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I would imagine we have some sort of secret guys getting ready to go down there and do some good. What would they do? Kill or arrest the cartel leadership? This whole thread is based on how that would go. You can’t depend on the support of the Mexican government or military. So you kill them. Then that snake you cut the head off of grows 2. The great majority of the violence in Mexico is the cartels warring with each other over territory and smuggling routes and when leadership has been killed or arrested in the past it’s caused some cartels to splinter and lead to more of that. Go to Borderland Beat and read about all the bodies found dismembered and dumped. It’s a daily occurrence. The great majority aren’t innocent people. That’s cartel on cartel violence. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:28:44 AM EDT
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If you have an endless supply of drugs, cash, guns, skinny jeans, gold, and pussy to supply your QRF with, you could have the exact same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't forget something rather cold blooded - we learned a great deal about cartel resources without a single American life lost. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:31:25 AM EDT
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What makes any of you guys think we could mount a military response in time to actually accomplish anything? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response. Every vehicle would scatter in different directions like roaches. What makes you think we would even mount a military response to a prison break? It’s not happening that quick and especially because of a prison break no matter who the intended target is. It would take a prolonged violent cartel presence on the streets of an American city before our military became involved. Fortunately we haven’t fallen to that level here like they have in Mexico. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:37:03 AM EDT
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“If you want to start a war, kidnap a prince. The king will start it for you.” Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would be nice to hear @Sylvan 's analysis of how to deal with the situtation, both from our perspective and from that of a hypothetical uncorrupted MX government. Seems anytime they grab one of these cartel leaders, they should immediately move them out of the area where they were captured. To where, I'm not sure. Just look at the guy though, he knows they're going to release him. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHIjvEBXkAA8ETq?format=jpg&name=medium |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:47:11 AM EDT
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The blame starts.. Washington DC federal judge's arrest warrant 'is responsible for Mexican authorities' botched attempt to capture El Chapo's son that turned Sinaloa into an urban warzone' The failed raid to capture El Chapo's son on Thursday, which led to the death of eight people in Mexico, was kicked off by an arrest warrant issued by a federal judge in Washington, DC. Mexican security forces aborted an attempt to capture Ovidio Guzman Lopez, one of imprisoned drug lord Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman's sons, Thursday in Culiacan, in the Sinaloa state, after finding themselves outgunned in a ferocious shootout with cartel henchmen that left at least eight people dead and more than 20 wounded. Authorities said 35 troops arrived at a home Thursday afternoon to arrest Ovidio on a 2018 extradition request from the US. Although they entered the home where Ovidio and three others were inside, they did not take him into custody. Continued Amid the chaos, inmates at a prison rioted, seized weapons from guards and fled. Fifty-six prisoners escaped, and 49 were still at large Friday, according to Sinaloa Public Security Secretary Cristóbal Castañeda. Two guards were taken captive and later freed.
Advertisement The attacks were so brazen that Sinaloa cartel gunmen took several soldiers hostage and even attacked the housing complex where soldiers' wives and children live. The government's security cabinet made the decision to withdraw the troops to avoid greater loss of life. 'The capture of one criminal cannot be worth more than the lives of people. They made the decision and I supported it,' López Obrador said. He added: 'We do not want deaths. We do not want war.' Security cabinet officials said they were not informed about the operation beforehand. They said troops surrounded the house without a search warrant and came under fire before one could be delivered, at that point deciding to enter without the warrant. And they said the troops underestimated the cartel's response. Sandoval said that if the security cabinet had known about the operation, it would have gone about it differently and deployed more troops and even sent air support. 'This group ... rushed things. It did not consider the consequences,' he said. Juan Pablo Badillo, a lawyer who represents the drug lord in Mexico, praised López Obrador, saying Ovidio Guzman was freed 'by a manly order, an intelligent order, a sensible order from President Andrés Manuel López Obrador.' Advertisement Streets in Culiacan, a city of over 800,000, remained blocked with torched cars Friday morning, schools were closed, and some public offices asked their employees to stay home. None other than close personal friend of Peter strozk, Rudolph Contreras, who previously worked directly under eric holder as a us attorney in charge of coordinating arms deals with the sinaloa cartel in fast furious. Obama made him a federal judge for his loyalty. The same rudolph contreras, who, as soon as strozk and fusion GPS and steele had their ducks in a row, and as soon as it was clear trump had the delegates, was hurriedly appointed to the FISA court. It was contreras who granted the bogus Visa surveillance on Carter page at strozk's behest, and then immediately recused himself. (After leaks of compromising texts re: himself, strozk and page came out) Anyway, right before this power play by Sinaloa, (also didnt hurt that the sinaloa/culiacan jailbreak occured perfectly in time with this ridiculous arrest plan), the big rival cartel took out 12 mexican cops in an unusually brazen attack. Not to be outdone, Contreras, bff of strozk (head spook of deep state)and his connections to sinaloa just effected a nearly foolproof plan to put Sinaloa firmly at the top of the news cycle and power structure for the immediate future. eta - le gustan bravado |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:50:10 AM EDT
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I just have to assume that everyone has me on ignore at this point. Even if I spend 5 minutes typing out a post, it will always be glossed over and every post before/after mine will be addressed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still can't figure out why Trump didn't go through with his threat regarding designating Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations. A lot of people in America are completely unaware of the extreme violence going outside our borders. I feel like if Trump actually went through with it, it would force the media to confront him and create a dialogue where they can't just ignore the problem. Plus it would give the White House a chance to play a bunch of recent footage that went down in Mexico and ask the press "Can you say with a straight face that this ISN'T terrorism?? And this is RIGHT outside our own borders, not halfway across the globe." Trump needs to find a way to force the press into reporting on it. If takes some action or another threat, so be it. It's just pissing me off after having a conversation with a group at a bar and no one had any idea of what happened in Mexico. Having the word "Terrorist" associated with an organization just gives it more of a impact. It's not just some simple "drug violence" deal. So what is stopping Trump from going through with this? It's obviously not getting any better yet I feel like we're completely ignoring the situation when we have a perfect moment to act. Remember this? https://www.mrt.com/news/article/Trump-Very-seriously-considering-designating-13681913.php President Donald Trump in an interview published Tuesday said his administration is thinking "very seriously" about designating Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. "We are. We are," Trump told Breitbart News. "We're thinking about doing it very seriously. In fact, we've been thinking about it for a long time. . . . As terrorists - as terrorist organizations, the answer is yes. They are." According to the State Department, a foreign terrorist organization (FTO) must be a foreign organization that either practices or has the means to practice terrorism and "threatens the security of United States nationals or the national security of the United States." Republican lawmakers have pushed legislation to allow such a designation for drug cartels. Last month, Reps. Mark Green, R-Tenn., and Chip Roy, R-Texas, presented a similar proposal to the State Department, seeking to apply terrorist sanctions on cartel members and third parties providing them assistance. "Mexico, unfortunately, has lost control of the cartels," Trump said during his Oval Office interview with Breitbart editors and reporters, conducted Monday. "They've totally lost control of the cartels." |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:06:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s exactly my line of thought. And what’s it take to have the military actively involved in an operation on US soil? Congressional approval? It’s not happening that quick and especially because of a prison break no matter who the intended target is. It would take a prolonged violent cartel presence on the streets of an American city before our military became involved. Fortunately we haven’t fallen to that level here like they have in Mexico. 1% of gun owners being motivated enough to take a single aimed shot from cover once a month would make productive activities impossible The cartel's response to such a scenario would be, based on history, random torture and killing of other civilians (including children) o try to uncover the 1%. Those activities quickly swell the 1% to 20% in a society worth saving. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:10:24 AM EDT
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I know grossing 100 million dollars a year buys you lots of options but where exactly DO you just buy rocket launchers and SAW's for cash? https://twitter.com/i/status/1185190596660477952 |
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