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Posted: 10/14/2019 3:40:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shnelson:
Just got an online reply from the Doc that all tests returned normal results/nothing of concern, not looking promising now. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 3:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
I may get flamed for saying this but before you go on TRT you might consider trying to drop some wieght. carrying that much extra fat is going to screw with your hormones. TRT is a life long commitment I wouldn't be on it if I didn't have to be. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By rsj:
I had my yearly physical and all of my numbers except a1c and testosterone were within the "range". A1C was .1 above the range. Test (only reported one number) was 266. I'm a 32 year old male, 6ft, 280. I have fluctuated from 260 to 220 during a divorce in 2017 and have stopped working out and eating right for right at a year, and i'm now 280. Note: I had my thyroid checked and all results were normal. My doctor gave me three options: gel/cream, self injections, or Biote pellets. As many have experienced here, doctor pushed the pellets. I have heard the injections get better absorption and better results. Sounds like my doctor is going to proscribe the injections (when I ask) and then redo my blood test in 4 weeks. Am I making the right decision? Obviously I'm clearly overweight and I realize diet and exercise are a must with or without TRT. Aside from getting test and estrogen levels checked in 4 weeks for a possible AI, are there any supplements or vitamins I should also take now? |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 3:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
yes, twice a week. I can donate to one place every 8 weeks and another non associated system will take donations every 12 weeks. I dont even use the second place. I just go every 8 weeks. More than good enough for me. If you're really going to take charge of your health you need to game the system Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
Originally Posted By Justin-Kase:
Originally Posted By wvar15:
Everything I've read has said weekly injections result in a more stable level with less conversion to Estrogen. I'm not against going back to a biweekly injection but why would it be a better choice? I can't donate blood because I was stationed in Europe during the mad cow outbreak. I guess I could donate and have them destroy it. The more frequently you inject the more stable your level is 100% correct. Therapeutic phlebotomy is an option but you have to get a prescription and you or your insurance has to pay if the blood can't be used. It is expensive if you are paying. With more frequent dosing limiting the testosterone spikes your hematocrit issues may resolve without intervention. I can donate to one place every 8 weeks and another non associated system will take donations every 12 weeks. I dont even use the second place. I just go every 8 weeks. More than good enough for me. If you're really going to take charge of your health you need to game the system I mentioned that I was on T and wanted them to take a double red donation but she said they won't because I am A+ BUT they are MORE than happy to take platelets :) Average donate time is 2 hours which is rough for a guy that can't sit still |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 3:55:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wvar15:
If you don't tell them you have symptoms from the low levels, they won't prescribe it. I was lower than that and they didn't prescribe it until I complained about lack of energy, no sex drive, and that it seemed pointless to workout because I felt like I was getting weaker. The doctor told me some people are fine with low levels. I'm not one of them though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wvar15:
Originally Posted By shnelson:
Just got an online reply from the Doc that all tests returned normal results/nothing of concern, not looking promising now. Most docs are not up to speed on hormone therapy for men. Thankfully mine is. Don't give up |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 4:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman: Find some local compounding pharmacies and ask them which doc(s) are prescribing T the most. That's where you want to go ;) Most docs are not up to speed on hormone therapy for men. Thankfully mine is. Don't give up |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 5:44:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman:
Find some local compounding pharmacies and ask them which doc(s) are prescribing T the most. That's where you want to go ;) Most docs are not up to speed on hormone therapy for men. Thankfully mine is. Don't give up Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman:
Originally Posted By wvar15:
Originally Posted By shnelson:
Just got an online reply from the Doc that all tests returned normal results/nothing of concern, not looking promising now. Most docs are not up to speed on hormone therapy for men. Thankfully mine is. Don't give up Now in the pursuit of a good Endo in MN. Is the treatment typically covered by insurance? There seem to be plenty of over the internet script companies that are happy to write what you need but don't involve insurance. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 5:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shnelson:
The symptoms that brought me in were a constant state of tiredness and never feeling rested. Decreased libido was also brought up and what actually triggered the blood test. This is a sleep specialist though, so I can see why he'd want to wait until I do the home sleep test before further evaluation. Now in the pursuit of a good Endo in MN. Is the treatment typically covered by insurance? There seem to be plenty of over the internet script companies that are happy to write what you need but don't involve insurance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shnelson:
Originally Posted By garbageman:
Originally Posted By wvar15:
Originally Posted By shnelson:
Just got an online reply from the Doc that all tests returned normal results/nothing of concern, not looking promising now. Most docs are not up to speed on hormone therapy for men. Thankfully mine is. Don't give up Now in the pursuit of a good Endo in MN. Is the treatment typically covered by insurance? There seem to be plenty of over the internet script companies that are happy to write what you need but don't involve insurance. Post your results here Regarding insurance, unless your number is REALLY low your insurance will not cover. My brother fights with BCBS to cover his monthly T and I just laugh. I spend less out of pocket than he does fighting w/ BCBS. Pull up Goodrx on your phone, plug in the med/dosage/quantity and it will show you which pharmacy has the best pricing. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 6:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
This. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By garbageman: Find some local compounding pharmacies and ask them which doc(s) are prescribing T the most. That's where you want to go ;) Most docs are not up to speed on hormone therapy for men. Thankfully mine is. Don't give up |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 6:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garyindiane: I had zero luck with this method. I think we don't have any doctors here anymore. Lol Worked for me too... |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 6:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman: Um, I wouldn't waste time/money with a sleep guy. Go to discountedlabs.com, order a Pre-T panel, add a PSA test (you want a base line number before starting T). Post your results here Regarding insurance, unless your number is REALLY low your insurance will not cover. My brother fights with BCBS to cover his monthly T and I just laugh. I spend less out of pocket than he does fighting w/ BCBS. Pull up Goodrx on your phone, plug in the med/dosage/quantity and it will show you which pharmacy has the best pricing. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 6:49:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Sorry to hear that, it has worked for many here and the technique has been posted almost from the beginning. Worked for me too... 
I am most likely going to go the online route eventually. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2019 8:59:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shnelson:
Just got an online reply from the Doc that all tests returned normal results/nothing of concern, not looking promising now. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 9:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garyindiane:
I know right. That method makes perfect sense. The pharmacist say that he didn't have any clients that were on TRT that he was aware of.
I am most likely going to go the online route eventually. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garyindiane:
Originally Posted By EXPY37: Sorry to hear that, it has worked for many here and the technique has been posted almost from the beginning. Worked for me too...
I am most likely going to go the online route eventually. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2019 9:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman:
I second this advice. Start eating better, exercise, sleep, vitamins, etc before starting on T. Just dropping 60lbs could make all of the difference in how you feel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By rsj:
I had my yearly physical and all of my numbers except a1c and testosterone were within the "range". A1C was .1 above the range. Test (only reported one number) was 266. I'm a 32 year old male, 6ft, 280. I have fluctuated from 260 to 220 during a divorce in 2017 and have stopped working out and eating right for right at a year, and i'm now 280. Note: I had my thyroid checked and all results were normal. My doctor gave me three options: gel/cream, self injections, or Biote pellets. As many have experienced here, doctor pushed the pellets. I have heard the injections get better absorption and better results. Sounds like my doctor is going to proscribe the injections (when I ask) and then redo my blood test in 4 weeks. Am I making the right decision? Obviously I'm clearly overweight and I realize diet and exercise are a must with or without TRT. Aside from getting test and estrogen levels checked in 4 weeks for a possible AI, are there any supplements or vitamins I should also take now? It all might work if your 500-600 and want to get to 700-800. None of that will help if youre sub300 and would like to be 800-1100 |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2019 9:05:40 PM EDT
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Also the idea that TRT is a "lifelong commitment" is pure BS.
You can always go back to the sucky self you were. Nothing says you have to stay on T. You can do a simple post cycle therapy just like all T users have done for decades and be right back where you were. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 9:07:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman:
Same here, every 8 weeks. The girls at the clinic convinced me to donate platelets next time. She said in addition to donating platelets they can take a whole unit of red blood cells. IIRC that's what she said. I mentioned that I was on T and wanted them to take a double red donation but she said they won't because I am A+ BUT they are MORE than happy to take platelets :) Average donate time is 2 hours which is rough for a guy that can't sit still Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garbageman:
Originally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
Originally Posted By Justin-Kase:
Originally Posted By wvar15:
Everything I've read has said weekly injections result in a more stable level with less conversion to Estrogen. I'm not against going back to a biweekly injection but why would it be a better choice? I can't donate blood because I was stationed in Europe during the mad cow outbreak. I guess I could donate and have them destroy it. The more frequently you inject the more stable your level is 100% correct. Therapeutic phlebotomy is an option but you have to get a prescription and you or your insurance has to pay if the blood can't be used. It is expensive if you are paying. With more frequent dosing limiting the testosterone spikes your hematocrit issues may resolve without intervention. I can donate to one place every 8 weeks and another non associated system will take donations every 12 weeks. I dont even use the second place. I just go every 8 weeks. More than good enough for me. If you're really going to take charge of your health you need to game the system I mentioned that I was on T and wanted them to take a double red donation but she said they won't because I am A+ BUT they are MORE than happy to take platelets :) Average donate time is 2 hours which is rough for a guy that can't sit still |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 9:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garyindiane: I know right. That method makes perfect sense. The pharmacist say that he didn't have any clients that were on TRT that he was aware of.
I am most likely going to go the online route eventually. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 9:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_: my doc by phone and email. $200 a month covers labs, T, HCG, needles etc all shipped to my door. |
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Posted: 10/14/2019 9:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
Also the idea that TRT is a "lifelong commitment" is pure BS. You can always go back to the sucky self you were. Nothing says you have to stay on T. You can do a simple post cycle therapy just like all T users have done for decades and be right back where you were. 
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Posted: 10/15/2019 6:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
all that might work if guys are overweight. I wasn't. It all might work if your 500-600 and want to get to 700-800. None of that will help if youre sub300 and would like to be 800-1100 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
Originally Posted By garbageman:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By rsj:
I had my yearly physical and all of my numbers except a1c and testosterone were within the "range". A1C was .1 above the range. Test (only reported one number) was 266. I'm a 32 year old male, 6ft, 280. I have fluctuated from 260 to 220 during a divorce in 2017 and have stopped working out and eating right for right at a year, and i'm now 280. Note: I had my thyroid checked and all results were normal. My doctor gave me three options: gel/cream, self injections, or Biote pellets. As many have experienced here, doctor pushed the pellets. I have heard the injections get better absorption and better results. Sounds like my doctor is going to proscribe the injections (when I ask) and then redo my blood test in 4 weeks. Am I making the right decision? Obviously I'm clearly overweight and I realize diet and exercise are a must with or without TRT. Aside from getting test and estrogen levels checked in 4 weeks for a possible AI, are there any supplements or vitamins I should also take now? It all might work if your 500-600 and want to get to 700-800. None of that will help if youre sub300 and would like to be 800-1100 TRT is not a panacea and will not be very helpful if people aren't willing to make lifestyle changes. You could take all the T you want but if you're 60-80 pounds over weight you're more than likely going to still feel like shit and in my mind the negatives of TRT could be magnified, such as higher cholesterol. To each his own but IMHO people need to get their house in order before looking outside for solutions. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:34:57 AM EDT
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Thanks for the replies. I picked up the injection RX last night. Already threw out all junk food. Began walking. Hope test helps a little bit in jump-starting my metabolism and promotes (
in a small boost) muscle gain/fat loss. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:54:43 AM EDT
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Bread, rice, pasta, wheat products are your enemy.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:42:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pumbaajk]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redseacraft:
Bread, rice, pasta, wheat products are your enemy. Oats, rice, potatoes both sweet and white are fine in moderation. ETA Basically if it didnt get dug up from the earth, washed, and put on your plate its bad. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 11:22:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shnelson:
Just got an online reply from the Doc that all tests returned normal results/nothing of concern, not looking promising now. I went to my primary care physician originally and he said i was GTG. I was skeptical still and went to a specialist and sure as shit my free T was low and SHBG high. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 12:55:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Use_the_2nd: Go to a testosterone clinic. They’ll run all the test and give you a complete view of your hormones. I went to my primary care physician originally and he said i was GTG. I was skeptical still and went to a specialist and sure as shit my free T was low and SHBG high. It would be awesome if our family Dr was on board with proper treatment. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 2:04:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redseacraft:
Bread, rice, pasta, wheat products are your enemy. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 6:29:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redseacraft:
Bread, rice, pasta, wheat products are your enemy.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2019 6:41:44 PM EDT
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Injected by nurse 1.5 hrs ago (first time only to show me WTF I am doing). having a few minor muscle twitches/spasms on my arm and leg--not near the injection on my upper hip/ side butt area. normal?
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:38:54 PM EDT
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So.... dumb question but is there anywhere online I can buy syringes? I've been using 1ml 25G x 1" syringes from my pharmacy but they are .25 each and I just want to buy a box of them and be good for a while.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rsj:
Injected by nurse 1.5 hrs ago (first time only to show me WTF I am doing). having a few minor muscle twitches/spasms on my arm and leg--not near the injection on my upper hip/ side butt area. normal? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AngryNagant:
So.... dumb question but is there anywhere online I can buy syringes? I've been using 1ml 25G x 1" syringes from my pharmacy but they are .25 each and I just want to buy a box of them and be good for a while. With sub-q I use insulin syringes from https://www.adwdiabetes.com/category/insulin-syringes no prescription required. There might be cheaper places to get beetus supplies or syringes, but you can order online assuming legal in your state. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 11:29:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AngryNagant:
So.... dumb question but is there anywhere online I can buy syringes? I've been using 1ml 25G x 1" syringes from my pharmacy but they are .25 each and I just want to buy a box of them and be good for a while. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2019 11:42:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wvar15:
Just finished his book. What he says makes sense. I was at a neighborhood party a few weeks ago and noticed how all the kids there were fat. I mean obese not just a little overweight. It can't be just from them over eating. Kids when I was growing up ate huge amounts of food also, but we had maybe 1 fat kid in the school. I'm trying the bronze plan he had in the book. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wvar15:
Originally Posted By CompSyn:
***IMPORTANT!! Please read this post completely and watch the 3-minute video at the end*** Subject: Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC) How Estrogen mimicking EDCs affect our bodies testosterone: 1) Lowers Total Testosterone 2) Lowers Free Testosterone 3) Blocks the binding of testosterone to testosterone receptors According to the Endocrine Society, there are currently an estimated 1000-plus EDCs of the 85,000 known man-made chemicals. - Cited HERE Below is a current list of the Top 10 "Estrogen" Mimicking EDCs to avoid whenever possible:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfAF66JzFE |
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Posted: 10/17/2019 2:57:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Use_the_2nd]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rsj:
Injected by nurse 1.5 hrs ago (first time only to show me WTF I am doing). having a few minor muscle twitches/spasms on my arm and leg--not near the injection on my upper hip/ side butt area. normal? I rotate Injection sites, L glute, R glute, L thigh, R thigh |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 5:40:03 PM EDT
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So I got a scrip for 200 mg/ml – 0.35 ml IM/SQ twice per week
am I correct in thinking this is 140mg per week? I've got 25g needles coming also. Is this a reasonable size ? I've got a scrip for HCG also if I want it, but thought I'd wait and see what happens. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:30:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rsj:
Injected by nurse 1.5 hrs ago (first time only to show me WTF I am doing). having a few minor muscle twitches/spasms on my arm and leg--not near the injection on my upper hip/ side butt area. normal? |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:41:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wvar15]
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Just started week 6 and so far I'm loving the change. Before I made zero progress lifting weights. The only thing that was increasing was my gut. I've gained at least 10 lbs and my gut is half the size now. I actually feel like going to the gym now. It used to be a chore. The other day I spent 8 hours shoveling dirt in my yard and still went in to lift. That would have never happened before. The only negative so far is my BP is a little elevated. About 130/84. I eat way too much salt anyway so will cut back and boost my potassium.
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xmission:
So I got a scrip for 200 mg/ml – 0.35 ml IM/SQ twice per week am I correct in thinking this is 140mg per week? I've got 25g needles coming also. Is this a reasonable size ? I've got a scrip for HCG also if I want it, but thought I'd wait and see what happens. Get 1/2" 25ga's for sub-Q inj, don't let anyone talk you out of it. If your needles are too long, just insert ~1/2" or make a spacer from the safety sheath. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2019 1:01:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
I am of a different mind. Carrying excess fat tends to mess with your E2, having a lot of E2 circulating is going to limit test production. Now if he said I'm in the gym every day doing cardio and resistance training then I might not have said drop a few pounds first. TRT is not a panacea and will not be very helpful if people aren't willing to make lifestyle changes. You could take all the T you want but if you're 60-80 pounds over weight you're more than likely going to still feel like shit and in my mind the negatives of TRT could be magnified, such as higher cholesterol. To each his own but IMHO people need to get their house in order before looking outside for solutions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
Originally Posted By garbageman:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By rsj:
I had my yearly physical and all of my numbers except a1c and testosterone were within the "range". A1C was .1 above the range. Test (only reported one number) was 266. I'm a 32 year old male, 6ft, 280. I have fluctuated from 260 to 220 during a divorce in 2017 and have stopped working out and eating right for right at a year, and i'm now 280. Note: I had my thyroid checked and all results were normal. My doctor gave me three options: gel/cream, self injections, or Biote pellets. As many have experienced here, doctor pushed the pellets. I have heard the injections get better absorption and better results. Sounds like my doctor is going to proscribe the injections (when I ask) and then redo my blood test in 4 weeks. Am I making the right decision? Obviously I'm clearly overweight and I realize diet and exercise are a must with or without TRT. Aside from getting test and estrogen levels checked in 4 weeks for a possible AI, are there any supplements or vitamins I should also take now? It all might work if your 500-600 and want to get to 700-800. None of that will help if youre sub300 and would like to be 800-1100 TRT is not a panacea and will not be very helpful if people aren't willing to make lifestyle changes. You could take all the T you want but if you're 60-80 pounds over weight you're more than likely going to still feel like shit and in my mind the negatives of TRT could be magnified, such as higher cholesterol. To each his own but IMHO people need to get their house in order before looking outside for solutions. Mens T are low for compound reasons, many of which might not be fixable. It is extremely doubtful that seriously low T is fixable naturally. do you have experience being 60# overweight and being on T? Because the guys I know who have gone on T didn't still feel like shit. In fact its how and why they could lose weight. There is no direct correlation between being on T and health issues like cholesterol. If cholesterol is even a metric of anything that matters. Good hormones are just as likely to fix other issues as make them worse. of course guys should lose weight, but the idea that losing weight will make extremely shitty T into truly good numbers is probably fantasy. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 1:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
once again, if you read what I wrote "None of that will help if youre sub300 and would like to be 800-1100" I don't care how much fat you lose youre not moving sub300 T to a good range. Its just as likely its the sub300T that is making you fat as it is fat is making your T low. Mens T are low for compound reasons, many of which might not be fixable. It is extremely doubtful that seriously low T is fixable naturally. do you have experience being 60# overweight and being on T? Because the guys I know who have gone on T didn't still feel like shit. In fact its how and why they could lose weight. There is no direct correlation between being on T and health issues like cholesterol. If cholesterol is even a metric of anything that matters. Good hormones are just as likely to fix other issues as make them worse. of course guys should lose weight, but the idea that losing weight will make extremely shitty T into truly good numbers is probably fantasy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By _RAGNAR_:
Originally Posted By garbageman:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By rsj:
I had my yearly physical and all of my numbers except a1c and testosterone were within the "range". A1C was .1 above the range. Test (only reported one number) was 266. I'm a 32 year old male, 6ft, 280. I have fluctuated from 260 to 220 during a divorce in 2017 and have stopped working out and eating right for right at a year, and i'm now 280. Note: I had my thyroid checked and all results were normal. My doctor gave me three options: gel/cream, self injections, or Biote pellets. As many have experienced here, doctor pushed the pellets. I have heard the injections get better absorption and better results. Sounds like my doctor is going to proscribe the injections (when I ask) and then redo my blood test in 4 weeks. Am I making the right decision? Obviously I'm clearly overweight and I realize diet and exercise are a must with or without TRT. Aside from getting test and estrogen levels checked in 4 weeks for a possible AI, are there any supplements or vitamins I should also take now? It all might work if your 500-600 and want to get to 700-800. None of that will help if youre sub300 and would like to be 800-1100 TRT is not a panacea and will not be very helpful if people aren't willing to make lifestyle changes. You could take all the T you want but if you're 60-80 pounds over weight you're more than likely going to still feel like shit and in my mind the negatives of TRT could be magnified, such as higher cholesterol. To each his own but IMHO people need to get their house in order before looking outside for solutions. Mens T are low for compound reasons, many of which might not be fixable. It is extremely doubtful that seriously low T is fixable naturally. do you have experience being 60# overweight and being on T? Because the guys I know who have gone on T didn't still feel like shit. In fact its how and why they could lose weight. There is no direct correlation between being on T and health issues like cholesterol. If cholesterol is even a metric of anything that matters. Good hormones are just as likely to fix other issues as make them worse. of course guys should lose weight, but the idea that losing weight will make extremely shitty T into truly good numbers is probably fantasy. If your theory were true a Clomid challenge would not be beneficial as an indicator of primary or secondary failure. It's not unheard of for men's natural production to return to normal if the underlying cause can be eliminated. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/429508/ As to negatives of TRT there is no free lunch. Elevated red blood cell counts higher cholesterol sterility are all negative side effects but given the alternative it's generally worth the risk. However if a doc is handing out trt without eliminating other causes he's jsut as negligent as a doc that refuses to rx it for a guy that legitimately needs it. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:06:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Luvthemtorts]
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Well gentlemen, the blood pressure issue is resolved but now it seems another issue has popped up.
For a little over a week now my testicles have been sore. Feels like a dull ache most of the time with occasional pain similar to being struck in scrotum. My testicles have shrunk (which I expected and doesn't concern me at all) but I didn't think there would be pain involved. I'm pretty sure I recall HCG being the remedy, but it's so expensive I simply don't think it's an option, even if the Dr would prescribe it. 1. Are there any other options? 2. Will the pain eventually go away once the atrophy reaches its stopping point? 3. Anybody get the testicular pain? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:18:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luvthemtorts:
Well gentlemen, the blood pressure issue is resolved but now it seems another issue has popped up. For a little over a week now my testicles have been sore. Feels like a dull ache most of the time with occasional pain similar to being struck in scrotum. My testicles have shrunk (which I expected and doesn't concern me at all) but I didn't think there would be pain involved. I'm pretty sure I recall HCG being the remedy, but it's so expensive I simply don't think it's an option, even if the Dr would prescribe it. 1. Are there any other options? 2. Will the pain eventually go away once the atrophy reaches its stopping point? 3. Anybody get the testicular pain? For HCG? Not legal ones. Some claims of herbs and supplements working. I'm skeptical. It's like $125 for a 12 week supply at a local pharmacy here. I'd find a doc who is knowledgeable enough to understand the benefits and flexible enough to write for it. 2. Will the pain eventually go away once the atrophy reaches its stopping point? Yes. You will also reduce the amount of semen produced if that bothers you. 3. Anybody get the testicular pain? Some do, if your balls have been shut down with low T for years already you probably wouldn't notice. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 3:25:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luvthemtorts:
Well gentlemen, the blood pressure issue is resolved but now it seems another issue has popped up. For a little over a week now my testicles have been sore. Feels like a dull ache most of the time with occasional pain similar to being struck in scrotum. My testicles have shrunk (which I expected and doesn't concern me at all) but I didn't think there would be pain involved. I'm pretty sure I recall HCG being the remedy, but it's so expensive I simply don't think it's an option, even if the Dr would prescribe it. 1. Are there any other options? 2. Will the pain eventually go away once the atrophy reaches its stopping point? 3. Anybody get the testicular pain? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 3:33:14 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Yes... Almost the same dose I've used for ~7 years. Get 1/2" 25ga's for sub-Q inj, don't let anyone talk you out of it. If your needles are too long, just insert ~1/2# or make a spacer from the safety sheath. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 3:57:37 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225: HCG is dirt fucking cheap. I just ordered 5 10k iu kits for around $100. I use 350iu MWF, so each kit is good for around 10 weeks. So, a year's supply for $100. Pretty cheap to me. CVS said the cost for one vial was approximately $120.00 and it was only good for a month once mixed. Are you using it past the 30 day shelf life? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 4:37:43 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luvthemtorts: I must have misunderstood how long one package of HCG lasts. CVS said the cost for one vial was approximately $120.00 and it was only good for a month once mixed. Are you using it past the 30 day shelf life? Brand name HCG - pregnyl is good for 60 days after mixing per Merck when refrigerated. I've used it for 12 weeks, and I do think it loses some potency after 60 days, but that's seat of the pants feel, not tested data. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 7:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justin-Kase:
28 days is the typical shelf life for multi use vials after the first injection is drawn by medical standards unless the manufacturer has extended the time frame. Brand name HCG - pregnyl is good for 60 days after mixing per Merck when refrigerated. I've used it for 12 weeks, and I do think it loses some potency after 60 days, but that's seat of the pants feel, not tested data. Now, can anyone lead me in the direction of where they're getting this stuff cheap? Like I said, my best price locally would be $120.00 per vial. If it's not allowed in the post, please send it to me in a PM. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:42:43 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luvthemtorts:
I must have misunderstood how long one package of HCG lasts. CVS said the cost for one vial was approximately $120.00 and it was only good for a month once mixed. Are you using it past the 30 day shelf life? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luvthemtorts:
Originally Posted By Keymaster4225: HCG is dirt fucking cheap. I just ordered 5 10k iu kits for around $100. I use 350iu MWF, so each kit is good for around 10 weeks. So, a year's supply for $100. Pretty cheap to me. CVS said the cost for one vial was approximately $120.00 and it was only good for a month once mixed. Are you using it past the 30 day shelf life? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:50:13 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luvthemtorts:
Well gentlemen, the blood pressure issue is resolved but now it seems another issue has popped up. For a little over a week now my testicles have been sore. Feels like a dull ache most of the time with occasional pain similar to being struck in scrotum. My testicles have shrunk (which I expected and doesn't concern me at all) but I didn't think there would be pain involved. I'm pretty sure I recall HCG being the remedy, but it's so expensive I simply don't think it's an option, even if the Dr would prescribe it. 1. Are there any other options? 2. Will the pain eventually go away once the atrophy reaches its stopping point? 3. Anybody get the testicular pain? |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:50:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225: HCG is dirt fucking cheap. I just ordered 5 10k iu kits for around $100. I use 350iu MWF, so each kit is good for around 10 weeks. So, a year's supply for $100. Pretty cheap to me. |
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