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Posted: 4/18/2019 11:02:19 AM EDT
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A coworker left my employer to sell "muscle food supplements." He was a good walking display of what it could do. His super is a cardio guy and the biggest running joke in the office is the "beach muscle" vs "endurance" ego contest.
He notes that anytime something heavy needs to be done, "beach muscle" gets the job. Meaning, him. He also notes his workouts are about half the time during the week as the other guy. And rubs that in. Brings up, with the NEW Army APFT, are we moving to more muscle? |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 12:14:57 PM EDT
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Please put your approximate age in this so data is useful to us old farts (mid 40's).
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Posted: 4/18/2019 2:36:02 PM EDT
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OP, your results are not surprising at all.
On the plus side, if you get back into lifting quickly you should gain back your strength a lot faster than it originally took to acquire it. 
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Posted: 4/18/2019 2:44:52 PM EDT
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...typically you maintain one and focus on the other...
Wanna gain strength? Minimalist condition needed to maintain suitable level. Wanna gain endurance? Minimalist strength routine focused on keeping strength whilst you hammer the conditioning. Or maybe I’m just crazy |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 2:56:55 PM EDT
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Your mission should determine your training.
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Posted: 4/18/2019 3:14:31 PM EDT
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If you had kept lifting, even just once a week, your strength loss probably would have been minimal at worst.
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:34:41 PM EDT
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I'm running 3 miles twice a week. With mile runs in between.
My strength has dropped about 10%. But I'm also in a huge calorie deficit and keto. I'm still lifting. And I know once I start eating I will get 5% back withing a week. It's just the way it is. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 12:27:07 PM EDT
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Please put your approximate age in this so data is useful to us old farts (mid 40's). As a data point for comparison. Last year I also did a very similar keto-like diet during weight loss wars. I did weight training 2-4 times a week, cardio 2-4 times a week for 30 minutes max, high intensity interval and Stairmaster. Last year I lost no strength at all, even during the keto phase. I even increased my squat. This year with very little/no strength training, I lost a lot. And the kicker- last year during weight loss wars, I lost 23 lbs. This year during weight-loss wars I lost 21 lbs. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 12:30:18 PM EDT
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If you had kept lifting, even just once a week, your strength loss probably would have been minimal at worst. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 12:32:26 PM EDT
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I can't do both, but I can't quit either.
i typically run 5k three times a week and do hill sprints on the same days. then I lift on opposite days. I usually hit hit a wall every month or so that I can't eat my way out of. Such is life, we can't all be superstars. lately I've been doing CrossFit on cardio days mixed either 5k or hills. I think I like it better. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 12:45:26 PM EDT
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It comes back faster than it took to first gain it. You should be able to get back ten pounds a week.
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Posted: 4/19/2019 12:59:56 PM EDT
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If you can bench over 300 pounds once, you are in the top 1% of humans on earth for strength.
I think I’m willing to call that good and put some of my focus more towards cardio. I think many here who work out a good bit are already super human anyway, so why get upset about dropping into the top 2% for strength in order to bump up your cardio into the top 5%? |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 3:27:10 PM EDT
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If you can bench over 300 pounds once, you are in the top 1% of humans on earth for strength. I think I’m willing to call that good and put some of my focus more towards cardio. I think many here who work out a good bit are already super human anyway, so why get upset about dropping into the top 2% for strength in order to bump up your cardio into the top 5%? |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 3:37:37 PM EDT
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Your mission should determine your training. High levels of strength are worthless to most people. You end up training just to maintain strength and muscle you do not need for vanity purposes. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 5:25:29 PM EDT
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Pretty much. High levels of strength are worthless to most people. You end up training just to maintain strength and muscle you do not need for vanity purposes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your mission should determine your training. High levels of strength are worthless to most people. You end up training just to maintain strength and muscle you do not need for vanity purposes. When was the last time someone chased you for 5K? 
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Posted: 4/19/2019 8:30:28 PM EDT
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If you had kept lifting, even just once a week, your strength loss probably would have been minimal at worst. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:08:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sound weak. When was the last time someone chased you for 5K? 
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:14:56 PM EDT
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Pretty much. High levels of strength are worthless to most people. You end up training just to maintain strength and muscle you do not need for vanity purposes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your mission should determine your training. High levels of strength are worthless to most people. You end up training just to maintain strength and muscle you do not need for vanity purposes. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 10:58:04 AM EDT
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I would rather get my ass beat than run 5k. I found this one neat trick that lets me avoid both of those Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You sound weak. When was the last time someone chased you for 5K? 
Lift heavy and you won't get your ass beat or have to run
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:39:43 PM EDT
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Winter - lift more, run/row a bit less and no paddling
Summer - lift less, run a bit more, paddle a lot more, row a lot less |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 2:51:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sound weak. When was the last time someone chased you for 5K? |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 6:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right after I the last time I had to lay flat on my back and push 225 pounds away from my chest 5 times... |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 8:20:13 PM EDT
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As long as you're not wrecking your body, what's wrong with that? If that is what you want then knock yourself out. |
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Posted: 4/21/2019 7:19:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. It's 275 for 4 and then your run at cola warrior. It was 225 that one year. 
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Posted: 4/21/2019 8:37:54 AM EDT
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Please put your approximate age in this so data is useful to us old farts (mid 40's). |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 5:56:56 PM EDT
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Update 5/14:
My squats have been progressing pretty well. I just did a set of 360 x7 yesterday. I think I'm about 20 lbs off my max right now, if I had to guess. Bench press has been progressing too, but I'm still much weaker than I should be. Strangely most of my other lifts are 90% or so back, except bench press. |
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Posted: 5/18/2019 11:57:26 PM EDT
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If you can bench over 300 pounds once, you are in the top 1% of humans on earth for strength. I think I’m willing to call that good and put some of my focus more towards cardio. I think many here who work out a good bit are already super human anyway, so why get upset about dropping into the top 2% for strength in order to bump up your cardio into the top 5%? |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 1:17:16 PM EDT
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If you do it again lift weights full body twice per week.
You won't lose as much strength. |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 1:29:06 PM EDT
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Having both tremendous cardio, and tremendous strength would require lots, and lots of time. Going to a gym to lift or work on strength 4x-5x per week, and running for a half hour to an hour 5x per week to develop cardio would pretty much be a full time job. Lots of people who say the gym workout only takes an hour forget to count in the time to drive to the gym, changing into and out of workout clothes, waiting for people to get off the equipment you want to use. The same applies (without waiting for equipment) for the cardio.
Unless someone is a full-time fitness instructor, most people are pretty well limited to either one or the other, or to some compromise of ability in two areas. Even cross fit is in reality half way between both, and while it is a great workout, it isn't like focusing on one or the other. Few high end lifters, or high end marathon runners are also high end cross fit people. There usually just isn't enough time. |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 2:50:12 PM EDT
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Pretty much. High levels of strength are worthless to most people. You end up training just to maintain strength and muscle you do not need for vanity purposes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your mission should determine your training. High levels of strength are worthless to most people. You end up training just to maintain strength and muscle you do not need for vanity purposes. |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 5:36:03 PM EDT
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This thread scares me.. I dont want to lose too much strength, But I was Just invited to run a 1/2marathon with church and I accepted.
What would JIM say? Will I lose NOV in a NOVember 1/2 marathon? |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 6:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: High levels of strength make everything easier. I can also run 3 miles in 21:30.
And everything is easier. |
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Posted: 5/23/2019 4:58:55 PM EDT
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My lifts go to shit when I am low carbing it. I also tire quicker. I know the ketomites will tell me it isn't so but I cannot move as much weight when in ketosis. Everything else feels great but weaker.
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Posted: 5/23/2019 6:40:57 PM EDT
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My lifts go to shit when I am low carbing it. I also tire quicker. I know the ketomites will tell me it isn't so but I cannot move as much weight when in ketosis. Everything else feels great but weaker. |
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Posted: 5/24/2019 5:10:44 AM EDT
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My lifts go to shit when I am low carbing it. I also tire quicker. I know the ketomites will tell me it isn't so but I cannot move as much weight when in ketosis. Everything else feels great but weaker. I can run the same, but I cannot move weight the same. |
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Posted: 5/27/2019 12:29:27 AM EDT
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Having both tremendous cardio, and tremendous strength would require lots, and lots of time. Going to a gym to lift or work on strength 4x-5x per week, and running for a half hour to an hour 5x per week to develop cardio would pretty much be a full time job. Lots of people who say the gym workout only takes an hour forget to count in the time to drive to the gym, changing into and out of workout clothes, waiting for people to get off the equipment you want to use. The same applies (without waiting for equipment) for the cardio. Unless someone is a full-time fitness instructor, most people are pretty well limited to either one or the other, or to some compromise of ability in two areas. Even cross fit is in reality half way between both, and while it is a great workout, it isn't like focusing on one or the other. Few high end lifters, or high end marathon runners are also high end cross fit people. There usually just isn't enough time. |
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Posted: 5/27/2019 10:41:51 PM EDT
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Its weird how that looks on a bigger scale when so many people claw into the 400s and beat the hell out of their body. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can bench over 300 pounds once, you are in the top 1% of humans on earth for strength. I think I’m willing to call that good and put some of my focus more towards cardio. I think many here who work out a good bit are already super human anyway, so why get upset about dropping into the top 2% for strength in order to bump up your cardio into the top 5%? I was still making constant gains and being ready for my first powerlifting meet. That was my entire focus. I got divorced and gave up my stressful career so the gym was my escape. I workout with a guy who was a partner in the met rx gyms and i watch a lot of YouTube lifters so i felt like nothing. I wasnt lifting what eddie coan lifted at age 16 i kept thinking. Kept pushing. Hard. Tore my bicep, had constant sciatic pain to the point i couldn't squat and got rabdo all in a short period of time. Stopped lifting for 9 months. Felt like crap. My hormones were all screwed up and it took me awhile to realize it. My body absolutely fell apart when i started getting heavy. Im easing back into things as of the last 6 weeks. |
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