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Posted: 12/16/2018 2:04:14 AM EDT
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/12/legal-guidance-what-nj-police-come-for-gun-magazines/#axzz5ZgZM4q6P

Editors Note: New Jersey readers if you had not turned in all your standard gun magazines, that hold more than ten (10) rounds, by December 10, 2018, the state of New Jersey has made you a felon. You are now a criminal under the law.

Gun rights attorney and Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs board member Evan Nappen, Esq. has issued legal guidance on how to handle potential efforts by police to enforce the Murphy magazine ban.

Entitled “Knock! Knock! Show Us Your Glock,” the insightful guide by Nappen covers what to expect and how to protect yourself if the unthinkable happens. Click here to view the guide online. Please share this link far and wide among gun owners.

In the meanwhile, Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs is gearing up for further appeal of the legal challenge against the Murphy mag ban. Please watch for upcoming alerts on the litigation as it continues.

Knock! Knock! – Show Us Your Glock

What to Expect & How to Protect Yourself from the Murphy Magazine Ban
By Evan F. Nappen, Attorney at Law

The Murphy Magazine Ban WILL be enforced. It is only a question of what degree it will be enforced against honest gun owners.

“The New Jersey State Police corresponded with Breitbart News on December 11 and refused to rule out house-to-house enforcement of the state’s “high capacity” magazine ban.”

Possession of any magazine holding over 10 rounds that works in a semi-automatic firearm is now a felony-level offense with a penalty of up to 18 months in prison. There is no “grandfather clause.” If you are convicted, you lose your gun rights for the entire United States. These standard capacity magazines, which have been turned into contraband, are commonly being called “Murphy Mags.”

There are four basic levels of potential enforcement. The question is how aggressive the anti-gun-rights Murphy administration is going to be in enforcing the Murphy Mag ban. Here are the four possibilities:

1.  Police Raids: House-to-house searches of suspected possessors.
 2.  Police Investigations: Interrogation of suspected possessors.
 3.  Demand Letters: Intimidating official letters sent to suspected possessors.
 4.  Random Prosecutions: Randomly prosecuting anyone caught possessing.

Police Raids

Many gun owners are very concerned that the police will be coming door to door and searching homes. It is unlikely to happen. The State Police claim to have “no plans” at this time to do this. However, it is not an unreasonable fear, considering the extremist left’s fanatical hatred of gun owners. Ultimately New Jersey’s zealous anti-gun-rights Attorney General could order the State Police to act. To say it will never happen would be foolish. Although a search warrant is normally necessary, house-to-house searches have happened without warrants if there are “exigent circumstances.” Approximately five years ago, this was done in Boston when the police were looking for a terrorist suspect. Here are some reasons/scenarios why it might happen in New Jersey:

- Some highly publicized mass shooting occurs, and the knee-jerk, politically expedient reaction is to go after Murphy Mag possessors.

- Murphy’s failure to aggressively enforce his ban gives his political challengers the opportunity to call him out on it. There is already pressure on Murphy to explain how he intends to enforce the ban. Breitbart News also reached out to Murphy’s press secretary, Daniel Bryan, about enforcement of the ban. He confirmed that the Governor “…had not ruled out house-to-house enforcement of the ban either.”

- New Jersey has a computerized database of registered gun owners & their registered handguns which includes make and model. Many of these handguns came with Murphy Mags. For example, 15 round magazines came standard with the Glock Model 19, Beretta Model

- 92 and SIG Model P226, just to name three commonly possessed handguns.

- New Jersey has a long history of abusing gun owners, creating “gun law victims” (destroying people’s lives with arbitrary gun laws) and undermining Second Amendment rights.

- New Jersey has a liberal news media which actively acts as the propaganda arm for the anti-gun-rights movement.

- New Jersey law enforcement will obey orders and enforce the law, rather than lose their jobs & pensions.

In 1990, the Florio Administration explored going after “Assault Firearm” owners under the newly enacted “Assault Firearm” law, which included a “large capacity ammunition magazine” ban. They tried to quietly sneak through an Administrative Code provision requiring the filing of the Certificate of Eligibility with the police on private sales of long arms. This would have cured the break-in establishing the chain of possession. I helped to kill it by successfully challenging the code modification as being outside the statutory law. The Florio Administration abandoned their scheme. Since then, the Murphy Administration has eliminated private sales via newly passed legislation.

There are other important differences between the Florio Ban of 1990 & the current Murphy Mag Ban:

- There are substantially more, commonly possessed, standard capacity magazines that hold over 10 rounds, than over 15, that fit readily identifiable, registered handguns.

- There was no reliable pre-existing computer database in 1990.

- In 1990, there was not the intense fanatical hatred gun owners that exists today.

- There was no windfall of Bloomberg money for anti-gun extremist candidates in 1990.

What to Do If the Police Raid Your Home?

A right given up is a right lost. Do not consent to a search without a warrant. Never physically resist. Do not sign any documents or statements without an attorney’s advice. All citizens have a Fourth Amendment right to a warrant being issued before their person or premises are searched. Exceptions exist regarding the necessity for a warrant, and a large body of law exists as to when a law enforcement officer has probable cause for a warrantless search. However, whether probable cause for the warrantless search exists or not, one should never consent to a warrantless search. The key here is never consent. Warning: Even if you are not home, the police can search your home based on the consent of your spouse, roommate or a guest. If a law enforcement officer insists on searching your home, do not resist the search. Just make it clear that you are not consenting to this search. Additionally, do not sign any consent form or for that matter any document without the advice of your attorney. Law enforcement officers cannot get a warrant simply based on your refusal, nor can they punish you for not giving consent to search.

If a search is done in violation of your Fourth Amendment rights, the court will suppress the evidence obtained, and the State will not be able to use it against you in a criminal prosecution. When you consent to a search, anything found may be used as evidence — evidence against you — whether there was probable cause or not! Although you may feel that you have nothing to hide, consider that you may inadvertently possess contraband which you believe to be legal, or that a friend may have left contraband in your car, house, or borrowed clothing.

Police Investigations

There is much more of a chance that the police will investigate based on information gleaned from the computerized database of registered gun owners and their registered handguns. It is a relatively simple task for state or local police to look at their database of registered gun owners with their registered handguns and start knocking on doors to talk to suspected possessors of handguns with standard issue Murphy Mags (such as Glock 19, SIG P226, Beretta 92, etc.). No warrant is necessary to investigate. Talking to suspected possessors at their homes will possibly lead to more information justifying a search, seizure, and arrest.

What if the police want to talk to you?

If police knock on your door, do not open the door, ask them through the closed door if they have a warrant. If they don’t have a warrant, do not allow them into your home. Do not answer any questions. Simply say “I do not want to talk to you” and do not talk to the police. The Fifth Amendment right to remain silent and against self-incrimination is one of the most important Constitutional rights. By remaining silent, a person is not assisting the State in its case against him or her. This is the purest form of self-protection. It is something everyone should do, whether the person believes him/herself innocent or not. You cannot be punished for a refusal to answer questions. Basically, only a court can order you to answer questions. Remember, anything you say can be used against you. For instance, merely affirming that you still have the registered handgun, could lead to being searched and arrested. Lying to the police is a crime, but remaining silent is not. So, stay silent!

Not giving consent is not probable cause for a search. Some people feel that if they do not consent to the search, then the officer will think they are guilty of hiding something. Some people are afraid of the improper question: “What do you have to hide?” The proper question you should ask yourself is: “Why does this law enforcement officer feel it is necessary to invade my privacy and conduct a search without a warrant?” This mindset properly shifts the burden to the police. Remember, the Fourth Amendment is there to protect our privacy.

Always remain polite when asserting your rights, but the key is to assert them. Do not be embarrassed or intimidated into giving up your rights. If you give up your rights (apart from making defending you that much harder), you will have substantially increased your chance of becoming another victim of New Jersey gun law.

Intimidation Letters

Law Enforcement agencies might choose to send intimidating letters demanding information based on the computerized database of registered gun owners and their registered handguns. The letters would go to suspected possessors of handguns with standard issue Murphy Mags. It is a simple matter today to send letters via a database. This type of intimidation letter is often used to collect taxes. Any information gleaned could then be followed up with further enforcement actions.

What if you receive an intimidation letter?

Generally, you have no obligation to respond to questions in a such letter. Contact an attorney as soon as possible for specific advice regarding such a letter.

Random Prosecutions

There is no doubt that enforcement will occur by way of random prosecutions. Police will find Murphy Mags due to Red Flag Laws, Domestic Violence Laws, Duty to Warn Laws, safekeeping seizures, house fires, home inspections and the endless other ways that contraband items find their way to the authorities. You can be sure to see criminal charges on these Murphy Mags. This is the default setting for minimum enforcement.

What if you are the subject of a random prosecution?

If you are charged with Murphy Mag possession or any other criminal offense, contact an attorney as soon as possible for specific advice and representation.

Action Items:

- Make sure that your friends and family are aware of this potential threat.

- Make sure that your friends and family are aware of the implications of talking with the police and consenting to searches.

- Make sure that you do not have in your possession any Murphy Mags or other prohibited items.

- Make sure that you, your family and your friends have the mindset to stand on your rights
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:07:30 AM EDT
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New Jersey is a shit hole.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:09:00 AM EDT
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FPNI
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:11:05 AM EDT
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Jesus Fucking Christ. The 4th amendment is dead.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:13:33 AM EDT
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The article author sounds just like an arfcommer.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:14:06 AM EDT
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Problem is we know what needs to be done, but few are willing to do it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:14:20 AM EDT
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I think I would just go full nuclear. Hell I had a good life and I'd die protecting a God given right. Fuck those that would take that away.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:14:40 AM EDT
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That's so fucking bullshit .
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:14:56 AM EDT
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Many more to follow, and it will expand to other states.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:18:33 AM EDT
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Never, ever forget - the liberal endgame is CONFISCATION. Period.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:19:24 AM EDT
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The Constitution is dead.

The 4th Amendment has been dead for a long, long time.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:21:06 AM EDT
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The endgame has nothing to do with confiscation.

The endgame has more to do with mass graves than taking away firearms.

This is little more than proof of concept.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:26:17 AM EDT
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The gun registration in NJ is a pretty good object lesson for those in Free States to remember.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:26:43 AM EDT
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Careful the thin-skinned line will be along shortly to cry

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Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:31:18 AM EDT
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Move.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:36:35 AM EDT
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Even California hasn't gone as full-retard as NJ did
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:37:29 AM EDT
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This country desperately needs a SCOTUS ruling that the second amendment plainly means what it says so all this bullshit will go away once and for all.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:38:24 AM EDT
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OP doing God's work.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:38:49 AM EDT
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The Constitution is dead.

The 4th Amendment has been dead for a long, long time.
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Didn't you used to be a cop in Mn? Did you move to sunny Puerto Rico?
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:40:02 AM EDT
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Not exactly. I think there are plenty willing to do it. Just nobody wants to be the first, and nobody wants to do it alone.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:41:50 AM EDT
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Are you a man? Will you let them rape your Daughters and, your wife to if they pass a law that says it's ok.
After all it is the right of the owner. Primae Noctis.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:46:40 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:47:13 AM EDT
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I know what they should do but no one here likes that plan.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:49:16 AM EDT
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“Nobody is coming door to door for your guns.”

NJSP:  “Hold my beer”
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:54:32 AM EDT
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Been dead since Baby buska and the Patriot Act.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:55:41 AM EDT
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Not exactly. I think there are plenty willing to do it. Just nobody wants to be the first, and nobody wants to do it alone.
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Not exactly. I think there are plenty willing to do it. Just nobody wants to be the first, and nobody wants to do it alone.
And that’s a bingo.jpeg
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:55:50 AM EDT
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Didn't you used to be a cop in Mn? Did you move to sunny Puerto Rico?
Used to, yep. HCSD. Did that shit for ten years.

Went Federal. A few people know what I do now. It's a small field and I like to avoid getting AROCK'd by people whom I make my bitch around here.

After the JoeCoastie incident, I have zero trust in any of you communists, so I put PR.

And I am not in MN anymore either.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:57:32 AM EDT
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Well congrats on the new job and I hope where ever you are it's warmer than St. Paul.

ETA
What happened to Joe Coastie?
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 2:57:51 AM EDT
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Remember the Tea Party?  Part II.  It's time.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:01:03 AM EDT
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So blading at a “45” isn’t going to work then?
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:06:46 AM EDT
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FPNI
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:19:27 AM EDT
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That is a very sad article.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:23:37 AM EDT
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Well congrats on the new job and I hope where ever you are it's warmer than St. Paul.

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He got Arocked, some dip shit took something he said the wrong way and some how tracking down his CO from what I remember
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:23:46 AM EDT
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I imagine that one day they will push too far.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:24:01 AM EDT
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If you own a registered AR-15, get a .458 SOCOM upper for it. Mark all of your standard size AR15 Magazines .458 SOCOM. The capacity is 10 rounds.


Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:28:37 AM EDT
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https://www.calegalmags.com/assets/images/20150728_135800.jpg

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Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:30:23 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:36:55 AM EDT
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Naturally, all of us weak beta types here like me are going to run to all of you tough guy Alpha types to protect us.. You'll save us from the JBT and the Democrats just like you did during the 1994 AWB, the Brady bill, and more recently, the banning of bump-stocks, etc.

Ya gotta love armchair warriors on the web! Saves me having to make a trip to the local bar to hear the same boastful BS
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:39:22 AM EDT
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He got Arocked, some dip shit took something he said the wrong way and some how tracking down his CO from what I remember
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Well congrats on the new job and I hope where ever you are it's warmer than St. Paul.

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What happened to Joe Coastie?
He got Arocked, some dip shit took something he said the wrong way and some how tracking down his CO from what I remember
He was in a small branch of service, he posted something about being depressed, NOT a suicide note, and some total piece of shit figured out his personal details and sent screencaps and whatnot to his CO to fuck with him, saying it was a suicide thing. I think he got messed with, but nothing too serious AFAIK, and he stopped posting. He had some fucking sweet knife making threads and whatnot.

We talk in RL and send funny text messages and shit. I texted his sweet ass just the other day while I was naked, it was hawt.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:42:47 AM EDT
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Gonna be fresh outta free states at some point.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:48:12 AM EDT
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That's one of their hopes. The first guy to take a shot a cop on his doorstep will ignite a firestorm of "OMG see, we were right! We need to ban and confiscate more stuff!" on CNN and Huffpo.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 3:50:12 AM EDT
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That's one of their hopes. The first guy to take a shot a cop on his doorstep will ignite a firestorm of "OMG see, we were right! We need to ban and confiscate more stuff!" on CNN and Huffpo.
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That's one of their hopes. The first guy to take a shot a cop on his doorstep will ignite a firestorm of "OMG see, we were right! We need to ban and confiscate more stuff!" on CNN and Huffpo.
That goes both ways.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 4:12:08 AM EDT
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So basically this sets up the precedent of "Registration leads to Confiscation" that many on the left claim would never happen.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 4:31:26 AM EDT
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Interesting times.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 4:43:21 AM EDT
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Respectfully, no. Confiscation is FAR from the end game.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 5:06:09 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2018 6:02:16 AM EDT
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What to do?

Study Sasha Grey.....

It's what the spineless cunts of the northeast aspire to.

The real question is, when do we forcibly eject the northeastern cunts from the Republic, and strip them of the right to vote as foreign nationals.

Fuck Jersey. They love the taste of Marxist cock in their throat, same as the rest between Virginia and Maine.
Link Posted: 12/16/2018 6:05:18 AM EDT
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Never physically resist.
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Cool. How many bedrooms you got?
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