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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:39:16 AM EDT
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That’s dedication.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:45:40 AM EDT
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And it was for nothing, the Japanese had lousy damage control. The Hanger deck filled with aviation gas fumes and eventually detonated causing the ship to sink.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:47:55 AM EDT
[#3]
Ron Burgundy would be skeptical
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:49:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ron Burgundy would be skeptical Taiho was a embarrassment, this seems like a bad propaganda cover story. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:49:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it was for nothing, the Japanese had lousy damage control. The Hanger deck filled with aviation gas fumes and eventually detonated causing the ship to sink. Yeah, Japan in WWII is the archetype of utterly futile, over-the-top heroic sacrifice. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:50:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Taiho was a embarrassment, this seems like a bad propaganda cover story. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ron Burgundy would be skeptical Taiho was a embarrassment, this seems like a bad propaganda cover story. Could be. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:51:43 AM EDT
[#7]
Taiho sank anyway
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:46:13 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ron Burgundy would be skeptical 
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:49:44 AM EDT
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I guess depending on how far out to sea of the carrier sank he was fucked anyways without a place to land.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:59:03 AM EDT
[#10]
Damn. A lot of Japanese fighting men during the war were definitely not lacking in courage.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:02:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. A lot of Japanese fighting men during the war were definitely not lacking in courage. I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:05:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it was for nothing, the Japanese had lousy damage control. The Hanger deck filled with aviation gas fumes and eventually detonated causing the ship to sink.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:07:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. I suppose the shortest answer to this question is that Japanese culture and American culture are very different.  Failed To Load Title Would Americans fly around aircraft carriers with engines this shitty? |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:26:10 AM EDT
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My first reaction is that this strikes me as an extremely difficult achievement. Especially when you have never been trained to do it, and you only get one shot at it, with presumably almost zero time to prepare. And I would think you would have to do it while inverted or at a steep bank (at the last few moments at least) to realistically time it just right (otherwise good luck tracking a torpedo underneath & just behind you).
Not saying I’m dismissing it outright, but I’m….skeptical. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:35:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first reaction is that this strikes me as an extremely difficult achievement. Especially when you have never been trained to do it, and you only get one shot at it, with presumably almost zero time to prepare. And I would think you would have to do it while inverted or at a steep bank (at the last few moments at least) to realistically time it just right (otherwise good luck tracking a torpedo underneath & just behind you). Not saying I'm dismissing it outright, but I'm.skeptical. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 3:35:53 AM EDT
[#16]
Nice try,.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 3:38:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn. A lot of Japanese fighting men during the war were definitely not lacking in courage. I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. All that fanaticism didn’t work out very well, either. Earned them a whole lot of getting shot with their hands up, cities burned to the ground, and at least one boiled skull decorating a torpedo boat.  Attached FileIn the end, don’t forget they surrendered, too - a whole 1.6 million of them. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:33:34 AM EDT
[#18]
 Ramn the torpedoes!!! |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:46:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2022 5:54:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. SFC Shughart and MSG Gordon immediately come to mind. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 6:51:53 AM EDT
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In the Naval Museum in Bremerton Wa there is a Japanese Long Lance torpedo with a bunch of .50 cal holes in it.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:27:49 AM EDT
[#22]
So it was a slow death and not a fast one.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:31:31 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. Fighting to the death is not usually the Western way. There are exceptions, of course. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 9:02:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it was for nothing, the Japanese had lousy damage control. The Hanger deck filled with aviation gas fumes and eventually detonated causing the ship to sink. So he’s roasting in hell with his shipmates. Happy ending. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 9:19:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. No. As long as they got to keep their cellphone and Netflix, they would roll right over in surrender. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:02:46 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, they can. SFC Shughart and MSG Gordon immediately come to mind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. SFC Shughart and MSG Gordon immediately come to mind. That was almost 30 years ago. I have my doubts today. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:08:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. A lot of Japanese fighting men during the war were definitely not lacking in courage. Yeah, they lost a lot of real warriors. Men in Japan now are reduced to jacking off to anime porn or committing suicide due to sexual repression with a culture that has tried to eliminate the warrior spirit. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:08:33 AM EDT
[#28]
Looks like he went after the wrong torpedo
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:09:24 AM EDT
[#29]
Dedicated but futile effort.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:12:03 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was almost 30 years ago. I have my doubts today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. SFC Shughart and MSG Gordon immediately come to mind. That was almost 30 years ago. I have my doubts today. Fair point. 
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:15:21 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My first reaction is that this strikes me as an extremely difficult achievement. Especially when you have never been trained to do it, and you only get one shot at it, with presumably almost zero time to prepare. And I would think you would have to do it while inverted or at a steep bank (at the last few moments at least) to realistically time it just right (otherwise good luck tracking a torpedo underneath & just behind you). Not saying I’m dismissing it outright, but I’m….skeptical. So today is your turn to be "THAT GUY"? |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:15:44 AM EDT
[#32]
Banzai
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:22:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:33:11 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess depending on how far out to sea of the carrier sank he was fucked anyways without a place to land. Japan had nine carriers in that battle and lost three. He would have had a place to land if he survived the American fighters and AA that claimed hundreds of Japanese aircraft that day. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:37:51 AM EDT
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Dan Carlin mentioned that on his Hardcore History podcast. Just re-listened to that episode last week.
He's up to #6 on his series "Supernova in the East" detailing the rise and fall of the Japanese empire during mid 20th century. Fanatical folks, to say the least. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:43:03 AM EDT
[#36]
How deep were torpedoes set to run? I don't see how an aluminum tube traveling over 100 miles per hour hitting water at high speed and possibly disintegrating on impact would be able to hit a moving target set 20 feet below the surface.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:44:57 AM EDT
[#37]
Interesting.
I just drove past the Albacore yesterday. It is a museum and static display here. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:48:49 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. They didn't know what was coming. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 11:23:29 AM EDT
[#39]
One sub fired six torpedoes?
 Attached FileI stand corrected. The sub had six forward tubes so plausible. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 11:31:01 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How deep were torpedoes set to run? I don't see how an aluminum tube traveling over 100 miles per hour hitting water at high speed and possibly disintegrating on impact would be able to hit a moving target set 20 feet below the surface. Torpedoes of the day were only going about 50 knots, or 55 mph. Not over 100. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 11:37:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. I just drove past the Albacore yesterday. It is a museum and static display here. That's a later ALBACORE. She was a test ship to test new technology before integration into the submarine fleet. The WWII ALBACORE is presumed to have hit an underwater mine off Hokkaido in November 1944 and sunk. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 11:41:26 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Torpedoes of the day were only going about 50 knots, or 55 mph. Not over 100. I think he was referring to the airplane,not the torpedo. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 11:51:43 AM EDT
[#43]
On one of Drachinifel’s videos he describes American pilots successfully strafed torpedoes. Coral Sea maybe?
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:00:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Say what you will about the enemy, but he certainly wasn't lacking in courage.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:00:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On one of Drachinifel's videos he describes American pilots successfully strafed torpedoes. Coral Sea maybe?
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:13:26 PM EDT
[#46]
The equivalent of jumping on a grenade to save your buddies. Quite brave of the pilot. Almost a pity that his sacrifice went in vain.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:21:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On one of Drachinifel’s videos he describes American pilots successfully strafed torpedoes. Coral Sea maybe? Well that seems more productive and repeatable than going kamikaze into one. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 12:28:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn. A lot of Japanese fighting men during the war were definitely not lacking in courage. I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. Uhh... You ever heard of the Battle Off Samar? Torpedo Squadron 8? Waves of bombers flying deep into Germany and Romania without escort?... |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. Uh, Texans and Tennesseans are pretty well known for having done that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 1:38:44 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was almost 30 years ago. I have my doubts today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if americans could ever fight with the same fanaticism they did. Even back in the Philippines in 1941, american soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death. SFC Shughart and MSG Gordon immediately come to mind. That was almost 30 years ago. I have my doubts today. And WWII was 80 years ago… |
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