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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:18:18 AM EDT
The Founding Fathers made a statement in the Declaration of Independence, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

The First 10 Amendments to the Constitution are commonly known as the Bill of Rights. It is also known that those rights are pretty much what the Government can not do, to us, collectively.

But then, they gave us this...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

So, is the 2nd Amendment only for us to defend ourselves if the goobermint goes hot on We the People?
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:25:43 AM EDT
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Have you not read The Federalist Papers?


Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:33:18 AM EDT
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It doesn't really matter much at this point. First, exercising the 2A to fulfill its intended purpose is, always has been and always will be illegal. Second, the 2A is both outdated and nearly dead anyway. All military firearms aside from pistols and marksman rifles are already outright banned and 5th generation warfare isn't fought on traditional battle grounds. Controlling information is far more valuable than who has the most firepower. This has always been true, but is exponentially more so these days.

If you are able to organize and gather actionable intelligence, then guns can be acquired or made. Too many people rely on simply having a gun, when it's of no use without organization or actionable intelligence.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:34:50 AM EDT
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Have you not read The Federalist Papers?


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Imagine if people in gov read them...
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:37:55 AM EDT
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It doesn't really matter much at this point. First, exercising the 2A to fulfill its intended purpose is, always has been and always will be illegal. Second, the 2A is both outdated and nearly dead anyway. All military firearms aside from pistols and marksman rifles are already outright banned and 5th generation warfare isn't fought on traditional battle grounds. Controlling information is far more valuable than who has the most firepower. This has always been true, but is exponentially more so these days.

If you are able to organize and gather actionable intelligence, then guns can be acquired or made. Too many people rely on simply having a gun, when it's of no use without organization or actionable intelligence.
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Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:40:46 AM EDT
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It is there to protect our First Amendment.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:44:08 AM EDT
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No OP, it states the "right of the people". Do what you want within the laws.

As far as outdated?

Negative.

Will the average Joe have laser guided munitions, high-energy lasers or energy beams, 20MM autocannons, etc....no.

The 2nd Ammendment is written as it should, why even question it's place in current times, as with the rest of the Ammendments?
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:30:16 PM EDT
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I have not.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:42:31 PM EDT
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I have not.
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I have not.


https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/full-text
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:45:47 PM EDT
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The founding fathers didn't write that 1948 ruling OP.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:48:33 PM EDT
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It doesn't really matter much at this point. First, exercising the 2A to fulfill its intended purpose is, always has been and always will be illegal. Second, the 2A is both outdated and nearly dead anyway. All military firearms aside from pistols and marksman rifles are already outright banned and 5th generation warfare isn't fought on traditional battle grounds. Controlling information is far more valuable than who has the most firepower. This has always been true, but is exponentially more so these days.

If you are able to organize and gather actionable intelligence, then guns can be acquired or made. Too many people rely on simply having a gun, when it's of no use without organization or actionable intelligence.
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WTF!!! DU is that away—>
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:49:54 PM EDT
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It doesn't really matter much at this point. First, exercising the 2A to fulfill its intended purpose is, always has been and always will be illegal. Second, the 2A is both outdated and nearly dead anyway. All military firearms aside from pistols and marksman rifles are already outright banned and 5th generation warfare isn't fought on traditional battle grounds. Controlling information is far more valuable than who has the most firepower. This has always been true, but is exponentially more so these days.

If you are able to organize and gather actionable intelligence, then guns can be acquired or made. Too many people rely on simply having a gun, when it's of no use without organization or actionable intelligence.





He means killing is easy, the tough part is knowing who to kill and when.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:50:53 PM EDT
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I got nothing to add.....
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:52:23 PM EDT
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People are so stupid today.  The Second Amendment only applies to deer rifles and hunting.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:54:06 PM EDT
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Is there a way to end tyranny defensively? Like tire them out of being all tyrant?
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:55:34 PM EDT
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The states at ratification gave the federal government certain powers - powers that the state held exclusively prior to the ratification of the Constitution. Originally, the idea was that if the constitution didn't give the federal government the power, it didn't have it.

The federalists wanted a strong constitution and federal government, while the anti federalists worried about the centralizing tendencies of a central government. So in order to allay the concerns of the anti federalists, they added the Bill of rights, with the idea that no matter how powerful and centralizing the federal government became, there were some lines it could never cross in regards to the states or the people.

So the answer to your question is, the second amendment is to prevent the federal government from infringing on right of the people to own their individual weapons. This is necessary because if there was no individual right to own a gun (and thus participate in the militia), the sovereignty of the states would trend toward becoming subsumed by the federal government


Link Posted: 1/17/2021 8:02:20 PM EDT
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The Founding Fathers made a statement in the Declaration of Independence, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

The First 10 Amendments to the Constitution are commonly known as the Bill of Rights. It is also known that those rights are pretty much what the Government can not do, to us, collectively.

But then, they gave us this...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

So, is the 2nd Amendment only for us to defend ourselves if the goobermint goes hot on We the People?
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The constitution and it's amendments legally are the final word if things are done legally and not politically. One should look at what the founding fathers meant when they wrote the constitution and bill of rights. Here is and example,

    "O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone...Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation...inflicted by those who had no power at all? "
Patrick Henry.   More at. https://guncite.com/gc2ndfqu.html  But reading more than just their quotes helps.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 8:13:56 PM EDT
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It doesn't really matter much at this point. First, exercising the 2A to fulfill its intended purpose is, always has been and always will be illegal. Second, the 2A is both outdated and nearly dead anyway. All military firearms aside from pistols and marksman rifles are already outright banned and 5th generation warfare isn't fought on traditional battle grounds. Controlling information is far more valuable than who has the most firepower. This has always been true, but is exponentially more so these days.

If you are able to organize and gather actionable intelligence, then guns can be acquired or made. Too many people rely on simply having a gun, when it's of no use without organization or actionable intelligence.
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True that it is illegal so as to make sure that you are willing to pay they ultimate price for your act, but that is academic if you win.
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