There are a few rare cases where a car could be considered an "investment" which is why I said "most."

This is arfcom. If I said "cars are horrible investments" someone would be along to point out a handful of cars that actually appreciated in value.

I guess I was damned no matter what I said.

Only if you have $99 and a Paycheck!

Kia and Hyundai are completely stomping FCA in build quality and reliability.

How about those Jeremy Franklin Mitsubishi commercials here in KC.

"It's a crime to pay more than a dime."

Most of those are wrong wheel drive based/biased.

I think the only car on that list I'd take over the Kia is the IS.

It's crazy to think we're even making these comparisons.

Does it come with a carpet dash mat?

Yeah, with the poorly executed Fran Drescher accent. Worst radio ad ever.

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@DiscoVolante

Versatility gets a car a lot of mileage around here—both literally and figuratively. Family-laden staffers pile children and Cheerios into our sedans and SUVs every day. And the domestically unencumbered use the big vehicles to haul friends on weekend adventures. This, folks, is prime territory for our long-term Kia Stinger GT. And as capable as the hatchback is at performing family freeway duty, it functions just as well when asked to haul a bike or a bookcase.

Certainly, the Stinger will never be a tool dedicated to driving pleasure, but it's solid enough at six-tenths to get the nod over most SUVs from anyone with committed on-ramp intentions. And the more we drive the Stinger, the more we like its mix of utility, style, and, well, the fact that it easily hits 60 mph in less than five seconds.

Not a single person is polarized by this car. It stirs almost nothing from anyone. The empty pages of its logbook at 24,075 miles tell a hard-to-ignore story about the Stinger's depth of character. And the existing comments range from modest compliments to tepid criticism. Some editors call the Stinger boring. Others accuse it of looking sportier than it really is—an assessment, which, though accurate, fails to paint a complete picture of the Kia's broad scope of talents. But most editors just piled on the miles without feeling compelled to say anything at all. So if the Stinger has a great sin, it's that of failing to trigger any emotion among its constituents.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a22993952/kia-stinger-gt-reliability-long-term-update/

Also from Car and Driver for whoever said it was faster...

2018 KIA Stinger (RWD GT):
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 111 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 156 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g

2018 Mustang GT (Manual):
Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.6 sec @ 115 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.96 g

2018 Mustang GT (Auto):
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.1 sec @ 120 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 156 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 g

Also why the fuck would any one compare it to a mustang?

Fucking seriously?

Your comparing a Value Grand Tourer to a Pony Car ...

... Apples to Oranges people, compare it to a BMW 4 series or somthing

I've been thinking about one, or the new Koenigsegg maybe.

I'm only comparing it to a mustang because someone on page 1 said it was faster than any Mustang, Camaro or Challenger except for the things like the Hellcat and GT500.

I realize they're different classes and people probably won't be cross shopping them.

I see

They must be high as a kite

Is that data accurate?

The Mustang GT should be the faster of the two.

Yeah you're right. I was an idiot and copied from the wrong column. That was a GT auto.

You're right.. 99.99% of cars are not investments.  And comparing the depreciation of an economy car (Kia) with a luxury car (Cad/Lincoln) is a bit disingenuous -- ALL luxury cars, even the euro imports, have bad depreciation numbers (percentages) due to their class and elevated MSRP.

However, KIA's around here have MUCH worse depreciation than all other makes, except for possibly Hyundai.  Acquaintances unfortunate enough to own them relate stories of trade-in offers of 30% of MSRP on their cars just a few years old, and that's the dealers who would even make an offer.  Maybe it's different where you live.

I like some of the Kia models.   But I would never buy a new one, and wouldn't even consider a used one unless it was practically a giveaway, knowing their horrid resale values.

Buy a KIA for life, or be prepared to give it away after you are done with it.

I own a 2012 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T, first car I ever bought brand new.  Including navigation system, sunroof, etc. out the door for $24k.  The engine has a 120,000/12 year warranty due to the 2.0T recalls.  I plan on owning the car for at least 10-years so that's $200/mth with full factory warranty power train coverage.

I rented a 2019 Challenger with the 303-hp V6 and what a pile of crap that was.  The interior is awful the acceleration laughable and the fit and finish of the body work, particularly the trunk lid was dismal.  I returned it the next day for a 2019 300 AWD with the same engine.  Very much an improvement.

I drove a 2019 KIA Stinger GT last weekend and no American pony car is going to touch the interior quality and technology that car has.  I believe it had electronically adjustable suspension too.  Losing 0.4-seconds of 0-60 mph acceleration to a utilitrian equipped Mustang GT I'll accept any day of the week.

While I was at the KIA dealership I climbed all over one of their new Sorento's with AWD and full leather interior.  It certainly is a few tier levels higher than what you would think a KIA should be.  Automakers would be wise not to discount KIA's offerings.

I also drove a Mustang Shelby GT350 several years back.  That car's exhaust note was intoxicating.  I just cruised around with the window open to listen to it.

Mackenzieeee...



TC

Shouldn’t be faster than v8 mustang or Camaro it only runs 13.3 at 106, fast for 2001 standards

My mostly stock 17 GT350 got eaten off the line by one. Until about 85 when I caught up to him
AWD TURBO auto VS Natural Aspirated rear wheel drive manual?  Yup, nite nite.
Same car VS me on a road course, it looses badly.

I simply can't imagine wanting to buy a bottom shelf Kia for any reason at any price.

thats one of the biggest reasons for geting a kia or hyundai, our interior quality for its price is unbeatable by anyone in the industry, you can get the same with others but they will be a coulple grand more easy

if you want as many luxury/premium gizmos/stuff for the lowest price possible, well then your choice is three kinds of Korean.

Yep, anyone who is saying KIA is junk I know hasn't been anywhere near a new KIA.  To think the quality and finish of Ford or FCA pony car is better is comical.

Stinger

It’s a nice looking car.

It’s different and not run of the mill.

It’s not earth shattering but it’s capable.

It’s a sporty sedan hatchback.  It’s not a muscle car and wasn’t intended To be one.

True car enthusiasts wouldn’t be tearing it apart because of the badge.  It’s not slow.  It’s not ugly, and it’s a solid try to do something different from an unlikely source.

Buy one if you want one.

I had to go look it up.

Looks like a Nissan Altima.

How dare you compare it to the Chrysler Japan!

My natural instinct would be to stay the fuck away from any dealership holding television/radio circus events with people in costumes.

Although I suppose it could be said that places like that are simply being upfront and honest about the true nature of dealerships.

Hyundai Kia has a solid foundation and is building very nice, reliable cars with best in class technology and features at a price point that is very attractive.

I had a 2013 Turbo Veloster and still have a 2014 Elantra in my family fleet. They are/were both very well put together and entirely reliable. That said, the minor issues we did have were poorly represented and addressed by either of the local to me dealerships. I don't think either one of them had a technician that was over 25 and a general malaise in the shops.

Hyundai Kia has their product pretty well nailed down, if they would focus on best in class SERVICE they would dominate a substantial part of the market.

Hyundai engineers if you're reading this, build a Super Veloster AWD with that 3.3, discard the back seat and second passenger door.

And the gooks that drive them!

These guys might know..

You realize the new mustang's have a significant horsepower advantage, and weigh less...right??

The 2019 Veloster N was originally going to have AWD but it is not offered now that it went on sale.  The Performance Package gets you to 275-hp though.