thank you senators and representatives for inviting me to this important hearing my name is justin c quiter k-w-e-d-e-r i am a resident and registered voter in the city and county of philadelphia i'm an attorney i am barred here in the commonwealth i am a volunteer certified gop canvas observer i was present at the philadelphia convention center during the pre-canvas canvas processing and counting of the ballots cast in this year's general election i was first present as an observer at the convention center and at the count on election day i returned as a volunteer observer to watch the process every day for the next 10 days i'd approximate i was there for about 85 hours over those 10 days part of the reason that i kept going back was so that i could authoritatively speak about what i saw and again thank you for letting me be here because what i saw was problematic to say the least i can tell you that i am an eyewitness to many issues and irregularities that were observed in philadelphia with the processing and counting of the vote i was a witness to too many issues and irregularities to cover in a brief opening statement and as such i will now focus on just two issues that i did personally observe.

first the philadelphia board of elections processed hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots with zero civilian oversight or observation the mail-in ballots were handled processed opened and counted in hall f of the convention center hall f is a vast room approximately 350 feet by 350 feet that's about 120 000 square feet the board of elections erected a fence approximately 50 feet into the hall that ran the length of the room all observers were corralled behind the fence more than a hundred board workers were pros workers processed and opened mail-in ballots on the other side of the fence these masked workers were arranged throughout the 120 thousand square feet at a distance from the observers of about 10 feet to more than 200 feet away from us. unlike what some may have reported in the media the vast majority and i'd estimate at it at at least 96 percent of the board workers were processing mail-in ballots 15 to 200 plus feet from us due to the distance of the workers from the erected fences it was impossible for me or any observer to see what the workers were doing with any type of specif specificity the observers were not able to challenge any decision or determination being made about the processing of these mail-in ballots no civilian oversight over hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots zero opportunity for observers to observe challenge or inspect the mail-ins being opened i find this to be an issue and to be irregular

move on to the second point the pink highlighted duplicate ballots which i haven't heard about at least not in the media as the weeks progressed the observers were informed that the board was going to be duplicating damaged mail-in ballots that could not be read by the scanners i was told that there were more than 5 000 of these damaged ballots i was also told that the actual number was unknown and could be much higher the process for duplicating these ballots was for two workers to work as a pair one worker reading out loud what was marked on the original damage ballot and the second worker using a pink highlighter to mark the choice on the duplicate ballot the board's plan then was to run the pink highlighted ballots through the scanners where they would be counted as votes the board workers did this pink highlighter duplication work over the course of a couple days until thousands of ballots were duplicated with these pink highlighters on thursday november 12th the observers were informed that the pink highlighter could not be read by the scanners they all had to be done again all of the duplicated mail-in ballots had to be fixed and the philadelphia board of elections solution to this problem was to give the workers who were working alone individually stacks of hundreds of what amounted to blank mail-in ballots and the workers individually were to fill in the correct highlighted ovals with dark pen no observation they were marking thousands of blank mailing ballots the workers did this double recreation work for hours before the observers realized what was going on because we weren't told what was going on only when the observers confronted the deputy commissioner about this irregularity was a system set up where the workers would show the observers each double recreated mail-in ballot by flashing it at them for a second from a distance of six to twenty feet away for as good as that was thousands of mail in ballots were ultimately counted in this way again i find this to be an issue and to be irregular.


as senator mastriano recently said elections are a fundamental principle of our democracy unfortunately pennsylvanians have lost faith in the electoral system end quote and let me add a quote that philadelphia city commissioner of elections al smith just made when he said that when he said about these recent elections in philadelphia that these were the most secure and transparent elections in philadelphia's history end quote now i wasn't around for every election in philadelphia's history but i can tell you as an eyewitness for 10 days for more than 80 hours what i saw was not a secure and transparent election there are major concerns about the legitimacy of hundreds of thousands of ballots that were counted in philadelphia a secure and transparent election there are major concerns about the legitimacy of hundreds of thousands of ballots that were counted in philadelphia excuse me all right let me finish with this may i suggest to you that any restoration of faith on the part of pennsylvanians in our electoral system can and will only be accomplished after an investigation into this election only after the law is properly applied to this election the idea that we can just move on by making sure that the law is properly applied in the next election is in my opinion my opinion unacceptable the issues irregularities and illegitimacy of what i saw leads me to conclude that the laws of the commonwealth and of the united states were not being followed in philadelphia when hundreds of thousands of ballots were counted in this year's general election action must be taken now to maintain our free and fair elections and to preserve and protect our elections integrity i look forward to answering any questions that you may have thank you

good afternoon my name is kim peterson and i appreciate that i'm here today thank you all for having me here today i'm from pittsburgh pennsylvania and i am here to tell you what i witnessed as a canvasser where at the warehouse where they open the mail-in ballots and separate them from the envelopes as we've been discussing as the afternoon of election day i went to the um down to the warehouse to be a canvasser to as a republican representative to be able to watch them open the mail-in ballots and as the gentleman justin just described we as i was led back to the area where we were able to view them opening the mail-in ballots we were kept in a corral that was at least 15 to 20 feet from any of the representatives and that was the closest um people opening the ballots there were people that were you know 50 100 feet from us um the closest that was 20 feet about and you could not see at all the envelope the ballot itself what where they were stacking them anything that was required that we were able to be able to see there were also monitors up around the area the monitors were pathetic to be honest um you they were fuzzy looked like they were using old technology as far as i mean we have the most clearest televisions created you know in the world now and these were you know probably from the 60s you're looking at all these multiple cameras screen shots put together of people opening ballots but you could not even see at all or witness anything if anything was any misdoing or anything going wrong it was very discouraging on my part i was very much looking forward to being a part of of that that day and representing representing um myself and pennsylvanians um in a fair election and i was um i guess discouraged about it i love this country and i love pennsylvania i was not born and raised in pennsylvania but i have been here for 30 years and it it is very important to me that this election be fair and thank you again for having me

first and foremost excuse me my name is leah hoops i'm from delaware county pennsylvania i was a poll watcher on the day of election and i was also present at the counting center in chester pennsylvania so first and foremost thank you to this committee and all those involved and especially senator mastriano and former mayor rudy giuliani to our fearless and brave president thank you for being our shield and putting us first and i am forever grateful it is an absolute honor to be a part of this hearing and to finally have an opportunity to speak about what took place in delaware county pennsylvania i feel as an american that is my duty to help protect the integrity of our elections not just for me but for every american there are many who have lost life and limb for my right to vote i want to give a brief introduction in history of how i got involved in this election four years ago donald trump came down an escalator and i knew that he was here to take back our country i was born and raised in delaware county in a conservative home i was taught from an early age to love thy neighbor defend your country and by all means always speak the truth i took those values throughout my life and applied them in every avenue possible

which brings me up to the present and about 18 months ago i became a volunteer and assisted with a campaign for a magisterial judge in that process i was approached by my current chairman and became an appointed committee woman for the bethel township republican party in conjunction with my committee position i also started volunteering for the trump campaign registering voters and assisting with events during this time i started a watchdog group and reached out to the thomas more society now associates we've been focusing our our efforts in election integrity

our greatest efforts have been following closely the newly elected and completely democrat-run delaware county council and the democrat majority election board this also includes any and all contractors support staff and any key players involved

what we found was actually concerning not only was private grant money used for from the center for tech and life owned by google and mark zuckerberg but pop-up voter sites were also approved these pop-up voter sites were placed in heavily democrat cities including chester and upper darby pennsylvania in which case the grant money from the ctcl was used to pay for electioneering it was literally a one-stop shop walk in apply get your ballots submit and you were out the door but where this didn't take place was in heavily republican and independent areas let's also make note that the voting machine warehouse supervisor is a bernie sanders delegate who is also solely responsible for every scanner machine v card and all machines with absolutely zero experience in this area [audio goes bad] again okay okay sorry um sorry i forgot where i was

okay so the real story uh is the 2.1 million dollars spent to move the counting center from the courthouse in media pennsylvania which has been something that has been done for for decades uh to the wharf in chester pennsylvania let me explain to you the layout of the counting center it is in the middle of a huge parking lot which sits back on seaport drive next to loading docks it has multi-million dollar connections to the company power hrg and subaru park soccer stadium the county center was on the first floor in which there were multiple places to bring in ballots in and out of elevators and many rooms in which workers had access i was there for three straight days what became of concern was the back room which had no observers no line of sight or transparency into the process there was no cooperation complete resistance from election night and every day after it took until our lawyer got an injunction to get into that back room in which pre-canvassing was transpiring even with an injunction which was a joke we were granted five minutes every two hours and the setup was sitting in a chair twenty feet from any physical ballot

i truly wish i had enough time today to to recreate what i witnessed and felt during those moments but we did not gather here today just for me and my experience but rather a collection of experience experiences from americans like myself what i hope to achieve is for the public to understand is what we is that we have stuck our necks out have been intimidated threatened bullied have spent countless hours away from our families friends and jobs we have signed affidavits under penalty of perjury which should be consideration enough to know that this is a very serious issue i'm here for one thing only and that is to speak the truth this is not about party this is about my country every american deserves transparency truth and be able to question those in power without fear of intimidation bullying or backlash i hope this committee takes action if needed and justice will be swift to anyone involved in fraudulent activity the republic is angry disgruntled tired beaten up and ready to defend this country thank you without election integrity we are just another banana republic i thank you again for your time efforts and service and it is an honor to be here and to be part of a historical moment thank you

it's a tough group to follow my name is gregory stenstrom i'm from delaware county i'm a father a family man i was a former commanding officer and executive officer in the navy i'm a veteran of foreign wars i'm the ceo of my own private company i'm a data scientist i'm a forensic computer scientist i'm an expert in security and fraud

uh leah had recruited me uh for this election um and uh i was glad i thank you for that so for the first part of the day i was a poll watcher in the city of chester and i was with just another former us marine officer and the two of us were the only gop poll watchers in the city of chester which is about 40 000 people

because of the consolidation for covid uh there were seven polls we were allowed you know that we were able to make it to in 22 precincts what we saw out there was pretty orderly um and uh exciting people were excited about one of the things we saw out in the field was that people quite a few people had done mail-in ballots so they came in and they hadn't been updated in the delaware county database yet so they would come in and say i you know the database is not showing me on the database i'd like to vote so the process one of the processes was to give them a a provisional ballot and and then they would vote provisionally and then later on their vote would be sorted out um that didn't happen uh i i observed and the gentleman that was with me observed seven different polls where the people were given a regular ballot so they cast a vote and put it in you know we let it happen a few times you know we didn't jump all over them you know happened a couple of times we went up uh in all cases the election judges were very forthcoming um very polite they apologized and they said they couldn't do it ...

... but that somewhat spurred me to go down to the counting center which leah described it's on the seaport ave it's a it's a remote building not much around it and i wanted to take a look all day long i had been told that um there were 10 to 20 gop poll watchers down there and that everything was well in hand and out of curiosity i decided to go down i arrived at six o'clock with four other gentlemen uh again former military and some good citizens from the from delaware county and uh we weren't allowed to get in until 11 o'clock at night and we had to get some legal help to get us in

so it took us five hours to get upstairs um after that um you know what we saw here is uh what i saw is i really think the the crux of this in delaware county is uh as an expert in this i think it's impossible to verify the validity of about a hundred and hundred thousand to a hundred and twenty thousand votes

now delaware county has got 425 000 registered voters approximately three hundred thousand of them voted i don't know what the exact number ended up uh mayor giuliani had nailed that number but of that number uh over a hundred thousand are in question in my mind what i saw as a forensics expert was an election process that was forensically destructive in the manner it was conducted with the envelopes being separated from the ballots and gone to the other side of the room the problem with that from being forensically destructive is that when you go to do a recount okay the machines did a pretty good job of recounting so if i have 120 000 ballots mail-in ballots at one side of the room and envelopes at the other side of the room is still going to come out 102 000 votes for president vice president uh biden and 18 000 votes for president trump i don't care how many times you recount those votes you know the ballot's going to come out the same every time so the notion of a recount in a forensically destructive process is is uh doesn't work very well

what we saw there what i saw there was a chain of custody in all cases that was broken it was broken for the mail-in ballots the drop box ballots the election day usb v card flash drives in all cases the chain of custody and the procedures that were defined by the delaware county board of elections and election process review were all they didn't follow one i i couldn't even redline this multi-page document because the entire document would be they didn't follow any of the procedures

so i personally observed usbv cards being uploaded to the voting machines by the uh the voting machine warehouse supervisor on multiple occasions i saw this personally i brought it to the attention of the deputy sheriff who was there stationed who was a senior law enforcement officer and i brought it to the attention of the clerk of elections i brought it to their attention i objected and i said this person is not being observed he's not part of the process that i can see and he's walking in with baggies which we have pictures of and it was submitted to in our affidavits and he was sticking these usbs into the machines so i personally witnessed over that that happened 24 times over 24 times we have multiple other witnesses to start including democrat poll watchers and we were told i was told the next day by the uh solicitors uh v well actually not the solicitor but the attorney that we had secured that they said every election they leave a couple of usbs in the voting machines and they're brought back and generally the warehouse manager comes over and puts them in so in talking to u.s attorney general mcswain and other law enforcement officers i found out that was not the case that generally you know more than more than two is unusual so they denied they did it but as of today 47 usb cards are missing and they're nowhere to be found so i was told personally that these 32 these 24 to 30 cards that were uploaded um weren't there those cards i demanded that the they didn't update the vote live time they only updated it about once every two or three hours i demanded they updated the vote so i could see what the the what the what what the result was and it was uh fifty thousand votes and i think as a computer scientist an american and a patriot it doesn't matter who those fifty thousand votes were i'll tell you they were vice president biden but what was shocking to me as an american as someone who has uh gone to sea gone to war that um that could even happen

so several other things that came up was on thursday it took us three days for them to obey the court order that i secured with leah's help and the help of the thomas moore society uh who we thank uh incredibly uh good patriots they they got us in there they got the order for us to get in and watch that look at the back offices which were locked for five minutes every two hours i went and i was the first one allowed to go in at 1 30 on thursday and then again at 3 30 for five minutes the county solicitor had a stop watch on the first time i was not allowed to touch anything the second time i did what i observed in the locked room in the back office was 70 000 unopened mail-in ballots they were in boxes of 500 stacked in neatly the gentleman that came in with me is a was a dem uh democrat poll watcher is a forensic pathologist a very detailed very dedicated man and he took meticulous notes as well and i verified with him are you seeing what i'm seeing we both agreed as gop poll watchers and a democrat poll watcher that we had uh witnessed 70 60 to 70 000. we had a little bit of a disagreement there the problem with that was by that time the mail-in ballots had already been counted so 120 000 mail-in ballots have already been counted posted and done so my question is where do the seventy thousand ballots go and nobody knows we have a picture in here of a large number of boxes that i took that were filled with what appeared to be ballots sitting by the blue crest machine they were there for about three hours and then they disappeared

i thought notable when i watched it the first when they were taking the ballots up and down i said i am an expert in fraud i saw the ballots going up multiple elevators and racks and i think a lot of well-meaning people and a lot of honest people were there doing that they were trying to participate in the process and i would say that uh 99 percent of the people there the way the process was designed i believe that people thought it was a non-fraudulent process i heard that said many times i was uh you know i said there's no fraud going on here i said well i'm not you know i didn't even bring that up but i think people uh saw what they wanted to see and they saw what was intended for them to see i called it at one point kabuki theater i said it was all designed for us to see it it was entertaining there were cameras on it when we finally got into the back room where the votes were being ingested as a data scientist i want to see where where the data is coming in and i wanted to know the universe of the votes well the universe of the votes was only supposed to be 120 000 mail in ballots we were told there were six thousand ballots remaining so i said okay we have a universe of 126 000 votes and then when i get back there the universe wasn't 126 000 votes the universe was 200 000 votes so that's a problem

i think the last thing i wanted a couple of other things is the blue crest sorter machine uh was only manned by one person you know people ask me all the time how do people commit crimes um i know there's a lot of theories here and i always look for the simplest thing people that stuff you know sticking usb sticks in putting ballots in very simple thing only takes a couple of people doesn't take a big conspiracy i think people look at things and they use inflammatory words and you know like fraud and so forth as a forensic computer scientist my interest is in the data where did it go where did the spoilage go how did the data come in and go out of the system so i think as a scientist we need to look at that we need to audit that

what was really upsetting to me and the most upsetting was i had spoke to multiple law enforcement agencies and literally begged multiple law enforcement agencies to say go in and it's in order to prove you know prove that nothing's happening you need to exonerate yourselves from the process or refute what i'm saying please it's very simple process just go get the forensic evidence from the computers it's a simple process you take that you turn the computer off it's non-destructive it takes moments maybe half an hour 20 minutes to do it properly and collect the evidence you open the computer up you take a a device called a bit blocker you put it in the hard drive it's done under the observation of law enforcement officers they take a forensic image of the drive put it all back together it wouldn't have taken more than an hour to to image all five machines that was never done despite my objections and that was three weeks ago

lastly when they said they said well we've got all the forensic records and so forth we just learned two days ago that virtually all chain of custody logs records yellow sheets everything was gone all forensic evidence all custody seats in delaware county are gone they had a signing party where they sat down and and poll workers were invited back to recreate those logs and our understanding as of today was that they were unsuccessful in getting them all so we have a situation where we have a hundred thousand ballots to 120 000 ballots both mailing and usb they're in question now there's no cure for this there's no remedy for this as a home is a home charter we can we could have a re-election in delaware county for our own representatives within our own town but there is no cure for that for the president of the united states and i don't believe as a citizen and an observer to this that anybody could certify that vote in any good conscience and if the democrats that were part of this process you know were so you know had done things follow their own procedures which they created almost unilaterally we would be in a situation where they could exonerate themselves and they could say mr stenstrom you've been misinformed we have evidence here that refutes what you say but that's not the case they can't do that so i say if you can't certify that vote and you can't certify a hundred thousand votes out of three hundred thousand then you can't certify delaware county and i'm done and thank you for your time and patience

thank you senator my name is gary feldman i am a resident and voter and of philadelphia city and county i'm registered as a republican i have been involved with foot off of republican politics for over 20 years now i've had watcher certificates and on this past november 3rd uh two thousand two thousand twenty i was issued a watcher certificate to be the watcher for president donald trump this is the watchers certificate that i was given and it is issued for president donald trump to me these watcher certificates i'm not sure the exact year i'm going to say about 2002 or 2003 are now for county wide so everywhere in the county the watchers certificate is good for so philadelphia is city and county so this watcher certificate which reads this this certificate authorized the individual to watch in any water division in philadelphia and that's what the the like the top line if you want to see the watch certificate i'll gladly bring it up so anyway uh i was in my vehicle as uh kind of like volunteering for the president with a an attorney and we were he was monitoring any kind of problems that could happen in philadelphia he his name was will chamberlain and he was pretty good on twitter and other social media stuff

so we got a word that they were not letting republican watchers in the polling places in south philly so we went to a place which happened to be a funeral parlor where they were doing the election and i walked in with the watchers certificate in both hands to make sure that they wouldn't snag it out of my hand they immediately identif wanted me to identify myself one of the problems that happens is the republican watcher certificates are this gold orange color where the democrats are like a light blue i've never really seen one but i heard they're light blue so they know right away that we're republicans coming in there to watch

so two two poll workers i don't know who they were they were wearing masks and everything i produced a certificate and she starts saying it's not good here uh and i'm like it is and i said please read the top line the gentleman that was with her said would you like to go outside and talk about this um you know i was not looking for a confrontation i and the other thing is too is i did have my uh bandana on they had their face shield but they weren't practicing fake social distancing they were right on top of me so we did step outside because he wanted to step outside will chamberlain is not a philadelphia resident so he's not issued a philadelphia washer certificate and he proceeded to take a video of me having a confrontation on the street with these two um i don't know who they were i don't know there were poll workers you know they never identified who they were um and uh the video uh which was released to the public was a little over 30 seconds on twitter and it already has 3.8 million hits on will wool's uh twitter page there is a complete video it's on my phone and i know i did give it made it available to the senators it's over a minute about what happened on the street i tried to explain this watchers certificate is for the city of philadelphia you're in the city of philadelphia and you have to let me observe i'm the eyes and ears of the president of the united states and they want to allow that

thank you for the opportunity to be excuse me be here today oh sure yeah i just want to i just want to add another thing that it's really kind of crucial when this happened the fact checkers uh group organization you know what they are started to put disclaimers on my the video fact checker said they contacted me fact trackers never contacted me fact checkers said that it was a misunderstanding they said the commissioner's office tried contacting me they used the name kevin feely from the commissioner's office i don't know who kevin feely is nobody from the fact nobody from fact checkers called me i don't know if they have my phone number and the commissioner's office did nothing to follow up on any of this i did see commissioner al schmidt when we were doing the canvassing but we didn't mention anything about what happened that day

good afternoon i'm dave shastokis i'm an attorney licensed practice law in illinois and florida some time ago i was a cook county assistant state's attorney prosecutor and during that time i actually did election law enforcement during the course of that time including um seeing two of the people had appropriate access and precinct openings and closings that machines were zeroed out since that time i've either been a candidate or a campaign in over 10 other 10 other individual elections and in 2016 i actually worked for as a volunteer for the trump rubio campaign in broward county florida discovered them opening mail-in ballots in a locked room before that was all said and done we actually had a broward county judge monitoring everybody's access he was actually on site monitoring everybody's access to see to it that that could happen to it that everybody would have appropriate access

currently i am lead counsel in conjunction with judicial watch in a suit called illinois conservative union versus the illinois state board of elections for violations of the board in terms of the national voter registration act i given that kind of background to give you some idea of where i'm coming from on on on this subject

on october 24th this year i came to pittsburgh as a volunteer with lawyers for trump and i was asked to organize folks to do monitoring of the pre-canvas pre-canvas activities during the course of the next week about myself with some other volunteers made over 500 phone calls we recruited 50 individuals that were willing to come in canvas or come and monitor the pre-canvas and along with 25 other out-of-state lawyer volunteers we had organized all this because of course we had 19 in in the in allegheny county there were 19 republicans on the ballot and so we were able to have credentials through the rcac uh for 19 watchers at any given moment so we had to organize them so we organized everybody during the course of time and they had given us credentials in advance and then two days before uh the election on well the friday before the election we got a call from the electoral board and said oh by the way you need to submit everybody's credentials in advance and you need to have everybody's signatures on the credentials that you sign in advance and of course we'd already had put together a team of 70 and we'd allocated them four hours four hours of time over in four-hour shifts to be able to monitor uh through the course of the whole period of time and then over the next three days we scrambled like heck to try and get uh signatures uh from the various volunteers and uh other other council that were assisting us needless to say we lost about 20 25 folks that we were unable to get the credentials to in advance uh and get the signatures back and forth and all the things necessary to do that so i just i wanted to mention that you're hearing about global huge global issues but it goes down to the petty as well it goes down to the petty as well in terms of interfering with his uh his his access and interfering with changing rules i know secretary brookville changed some huge rules but the local boards day in and day out were changing rules as well to make make the monitoring process next to next to impossible

at any rate we we did that and then we wound up i went with a group at about 6 45 on election day to 901 pennsylvania avenue in allegheny allegheny county where they were doing the pre-canvas and at the at the time when when we arrived we were herded into what best known as the corral i'm sure you've kind of seen or heard about those things it was a fenced in area that was about the fence was maybe two and a half three feet high um closest uh anybody could get would to uh any uh out make any observations was maybe 15 20 feet from the closest closest ballot processor to the maybe 150 feet because we're in about a 20 000 square foot area where the biggest room was taking place biggest activity was taking place

but i would mention that the mail-in ballots were coming into that room already sliced open at the top we have no idea when or where the slicing took place where the opening took place or what was in fact in inside those ballots inside those mailing envelopes at that point in time folks were then separating the mail-in ballot from the secrecy envelope you could see that you know that's exactly what they're doing they put one on the side and one on the other side and then then they take them and put them put them someplace and i have no idea and then these secrecy envelopes would go to another slicing machine and that be sliced open and at that point then the balance would come back and they'd be divided from the secrecy envelopes we had really no no concept of what was going on

in the room next door there was a smaller room around around the corner that you had to leave the 20 000 square foot room there was one about 7 500 square feet and in that room there was a there was a machine and a machine would be apparently sorting sorting things by by the barcodes and then eventually somehow or other people would come in with big arm loads of ballots from the from the other room apparently with no providence no uh no explanation of where they came from and uh here's uh here's an interesting thing that you guys might consider when when you're doing this in the future the biggest one of the biggest bottlenecks uh would take place at this point in time because all these belts came in folded tri-folded right and all the balance had to be flattened and so they would take the ballots and put them under big stacks of reams and reams of paper to flatten them out and then there'd be workers knaeding the ballots to try and make them so that they could go through the machines and uh when everybody's saying well you haven't counted anything for uh you know x number of hours and they said well we're trying to flatten the ballots um yeah no it just it was it was absurd and obscene

uh so at any rate uh that was that and when everybody was waiting that's what was going on they're flattening and they're flattening the balance for um for most part and then then there was about six machines where they were feeding the ballots and while they would had six machines uh feeding the balance as they would go in two or three would kick out to a different tray than than the other tray and workers sometimes would take the ones that weren't kicked out and put them in a put them in a stack and then sometimes you'd run all of them through again and sometimes run two or three we never had any idea if they were zeroing out a machine what they were doing i asked i asked the solicitor the county solicitor who was there i said what's uh what's going on he told me that this was a pitney bose representative working there that had been sworn in as a county uh representative and uh that uh sometimes um the ballot machine doesn't doesn't count those things and then so he runs them through and but there was absolutely no providence to what uh what was going on in the counting machines i have no idea because of course they would just uh take stacks of take stacks of ballots that had been sitting under reams of paper trying to be flattened and then run them through the machine so we have no idea about that...

... and so at one point i asked the county solicitor i said um can you describe for me the journey of a ballot from the time it hits the door to the time that it's counted what where does it go what's the process etcetera i had a short answer no

i then asked him i said can you give me any written protocol about what is supposed to happen it hits the door then it then it goes to a machine theoretically sorted by barcodes from what i understood from someone else so that if there's a challenge in advance of the election they know where to they know where to look because of course at 5 p.m on the friday before elections you can challenge things for people having died and a few other reasons and but then i said i asked i said is there any written protocol for that and he said uh no we have no written protocol for uh what we're what we're conducting uh what we're doing here

so uh he answered he's supposed to be the one giving legal advice to people on how to legally handle ballots and he tells me that he doesn't know how they're handled and he tells me that there is no written protocol on how they are supposed to be handled so i might suggest uh that there was just literally no way to uh no way to change um i mean there was no way to challenge there was no way to uh look at those ballots and i would say in my experience um electoral experience one of the um one of the things that legitimizes elections is the ability of an not a disinterested third party to to review what the process is but actually an adversarial third party to review what the what the process is and this was completely and utterly absent

i had about 20 25 other affidavits from other folks that had joined me during the during the time that had been part of this that describe essentially the same thing over there in allegheny county most of whom were most of whom were attorneys and have been versed on the comings and goings of the pennsylvania supreme court which i might suggest uh ultimately the last decision uh in ray canvassing when the pennsylvania supreme court ultimately said that it doesn't matter how far you're away from the ballots because you don't have the right to challenge anything anyway i read the opinion and i said to myself the pennsylvania supreme court just called off elections in the state of pennsylvania and i would suggest that the remedy for what the pennsylvania supreme court does lies with the distinguished legislators that are before me but the fact is is if there is no there is no opportunity for anybody to look at them and and the court has the temerity to say you it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if you come in or not it doesn't matter how far you are because even if you're there you don't have the right to do anything sure um

if you could summarize sir we are running (out of time)

yes i'm sorry i'm sorry i apologize for being an attorney no i i i apologize senator but i just um one yeah i'll summarize in one thing one of the guarantees in the united states constitution is that in fact every state shall have a republican form of government and i would suggest to i would suggest to you if the supreme court of pennsylvania determines that they're going to run the state and allow the local election authorities to essentially appoint winners the state of pennsylvania no matter no longer meets that guarantee as a republican former government thank you thank you sir [Applause]

hi my name is elizabeth priet heavy i am an attorney and a resident of montgomery county and the chair of the montgomery county republican committee thank you senators and mayor giuliani for providing me the opportunity to speak

after the primary our committee prepared and provided to the pa legislative leaders and members of the montgomery county staff in charge of the election a 30-page report of the mail-in ballot and election day problems and irregularities we experienced in montgomery county we made detailed recommendations for changes with the hope that the general election would be smoother unfortunately that was not the case

there are a number of issues that evidence a total lack of transparency regarding the handling of the general election in montgomery county

first the montgomery county republican committee was not provided meaningful view of the mail-in ballots at any time despite our requests

second we were not provided with regular detailed information about the mail-in ballots over the course of the election despite our requests

third we still lack complete and detailed information about these ballots despite our written requests

we were provided our first opportunity to view and learn about the canvassing site on sunday november 1st just two days prior to the election at that visit the chief operating officer of the county showed us the room where the canvas was to take place to our shock we were told we could not directly check the mail and ballots after some significant pushback by me the county agreed to allow two watchers inside the room but they were never able to see the ballots up close again there was no meaningful observation of the ballots and absolutely no check of the ballots by anyone other than the county staff which is all run by the democrats as to whether or not these ballots met election code criteria at the most basic level we were not even able to check to see if a voter rule twice or if a voter was deceased...

...and with the removal of the signature being a check for existing voters there was no way to protect against someone fraudulently voting for a registered voter

in addition to having no meaningful observation or review of over two hundred thousand mail in ballots we were not provided with the change in rules by the county to allow the curing of mail-in ballots in a timely manner on thursday october 29th i received an email from frank dean who ran the election for the county with a list of ballots with what they described as defects and if the voter had been contacted by the county to cure the defect at the tour of the county the canvas on november 1 we were shown bundled mail-in ballots divided by precinct which the county identified as having a defect and explain that those individuals had not cured these ballots as of november first the county did not provide the montgomery county republican committee with an opportunity to have an authorized representative present in what was effectively the pre-canvas illegal term pre-canvas of the ballots when it reviewed and contacted voters about their defective mail and ballots after immediate investigation it was clear that other counties across pennsylvania were not allowing this illegal pre-canvassing to take place in particular our neighboring county berks county a county that the president won by over 8 percent interpreted the law as written and did not contact voters to cure ballots weeks prior to the election as montgomery county did a portion of berks county and most of montgomery county share one congressional seat so voters were not treated equally in these two counties in the same district

since the election we have received many calls and emails from republicans with questions about whether their mail-in ballot was counted expressing concerns that they didn't request a mail in ballot but received one anyway that they were made to vote provisional when they shouldn't have that they have great concerns about the efficacy of this election there is a real disenfranchisement of voters across montgomery county many people feel their vote did not count because we lack the information we need to tell them otherwise and because we were not able to have any meaningful check on mail and ballots we cannot provide these concerned voters with the assurance they need that the process was fair and that the election was honest

in addition to the lack of transparency we experienced in montgomery county the kathy barnett for congress campaign found with just the minimal information that we've been able to obtain that at least 188 deceased people in montgomery county voted in 2020. they also found concerning anomalies in the results for example more people voted in the small town of norristown for the very first time than the voters who vote regularly this occurrence is far outside the norm of what we have seen in past elections these numbers must be reviewed and analyzed in fact a full review of the mail and ballots across the state must be done in order for this country to have trust in the electoral process elections must be viewed as open and transparent both the democrats and the republicans should be provided with the same information throughout the process and there should be meaningful opportunity to observe and object not last-minute disclosures and rule changes this legislature must reform the election law to provide for such transparency all along the mail and ballot process from start to finish and people need to feel confident that the same rules apply to each and every voter in every town and in every county in this state thank you

hello thank you for having me here today my name is julie beahy and i'm a resident of montgomery county and the executive director of the montgomery county republican committee

i'm here to speak with you today regarding my experience as an observer of the pre-canvas and canvas of the mail and ballots

in montgomery county we had over 250 000 mail-in ballots requested for the general election in the weeks leading up to the election i personally trained over 100 volunteers to inspect and monitor the counting of these ballots to ensure the legitimacy of the vote in montgomery county unfortunately they were never given this opportunity

on sunday november 1st during a walkthrough of the mail and ballot facility we learned that no watchers were permitted to inspect or even see the outside envelope of the ballot after some significant pushback by our chairman liz heavy the accounting agreed to allow two watchers inside the room of which i was one

as an observer at the canvas i was corralled into a small narrow holding area which is blocked off by tables and plexiglas barriers in the corner of the room due to the room layout and location of the holding area within the room i only had visibility to the space where ballots were flattened and scanned this was a huge area and the closest scanner was roughly six feet away and the farthest approximately 25 yards away from my position within the holding area i had no visibility or access to the room where ballots were sorted outside envelopes were inspected and both outside and secrecy envelopes were open this space was divided from the scanning room by a large white wall blocking all visibility to the slicing machines the blue crest sorter on the back storage room in my opinion this was a totally separate room and not one room as the county election board argued

during our walk through of the campus facility on sunday november 1st we argued that this was a separate room and was told by the county chief operating officer that we would be able to view this space by security camera footage the footage from these cameras was streamed to televisions in a conference room on the other end of the building which was approximately a four minute walk away from where the ballot canvas room was the system was not set up on our walk-through day and it was not until i arrived back at the facility on 7 am on election day that i could see the footage was extremely poor quality and you could only see pixelated images of workers moving around the room and had no meaningful visibility of the ballots

over the last 10 months in my role i have spoken to thousands of voters firsthand who have lost faith in the election processes and procedures in montgomery county and across pennsylvania as a whole today i still lack the information needed to properly inform voters that their vote was in fact counted

i thank you for holding these hearings today and hope that the appropriate legislative changes are made to restore confidence in our elections thank you

my name is * i went to the voting polls on november the 3rd to vote in person i waited two hours in line and when i went in i showed identification and i was taken up to the polling place this polling man showed me what to do turned it on and said go ahead i voted and i printed it out and when i got it and i looked at it trump was not on there i voted for trump and it wasn't there my daughter i called her over and i said to her look his vote is gone i voted for him so i called a poster over and he said it's not supposed to be seen it's for privacy just put it through the scanner and you're done it bothered me it's been bothering me since because i voted and was it counted or was it flipped i don't know

daughter:
and i'm speaking on my mom's behalf also as a witness my name is * i was there that day i drove her to the polls when she got done voting she showed me the printout and she was saying how the president's name that she voted for was not printed out when all the other delegates that she had voted for were on the printout me not knowing because i had not voted yet how the printout was supposed to look we went to the pollster that was there and asked him why the president and vice president's name did not print out when all the other names of the candidates printed out that my mother had voted for it seemed very strange um but not knowing any better we asked well what is the next step and he said oh i'm sorry he said that um it did not print out because that's uh for voters privacy that none of them vote but none of them print out so we asked him what the next step was and he said to put it through the scanner so that's what we did and we left and it seemed very odd then i went to where i live in drums pennsylvania which is about 10 miles uh south of where my mother voted and i voted no problem everything printed out just as um you know it should and i scanned it through so it just seemed very odd and we wanted to report that that in my mother's area um which was fairview township it seemed very odd that it did not print out thank you

son in law:
okay i'm * and uh by the way my mother-in-law's 84 years old uh she forgot to mention that anyway my wife then i'm sorry she's 80. my my wife called me that day and she was distraught and told me everything they just told you so i go to my polling place around 3 30 4 o'clock here in drums and when i first walked in a young gentleman came up to me start explaining how to vote and he said take this stylus make your choices then print it out with a printer that's underneath the machine and i thought that's odd i've been voting since 1992. we never had a print a ballot and i actually thought it was easier to vote 92 on the world war ii surplus voting machines with the curtain if did your choices open the curtain and they went click and everything went all of a sudden we have to print a ballot so anyway i'm pretty good with computers i made my choices i printed it out all my choices are on there from president on down ballot and he said now you have to put it in the scanner and he turned over a sample ballot and pointed at a weird triangle in the corner and smiled at me i didn't know what he meant so i go over to the enter and i'm wondering why scanner works face down when you scan because i have one at home if i put it in face down or face up so he's already across the room talking to another gentleman that's about 20 years older than me trying to tell him how to do it and i said are these face up or face down and he just nodded he didn't say either way he just nodded yes

so i put it in face up so i don't even know if it scanned the blank backside or the voting top side and anyway i overheard that conversation not willingly or that i wanted to a man i'm 58 he was about 78 saying oh they said to him that he understand and he said yeah i think but my memory is not too good and when i walked out of there i realized it's total voter suppression my mother-in-law here did not even get a cell phone until last year has never sat at a computer and keyed anything in her life has no wi-fi or internet service at her house neither does my mother she has a cell phone but it's a flip type and these are the people that went by the thousands or millions to our polls and how to go through this system and i just wanted to point that out and that's all i have thank you

okay my name is olivia jane winters and i'm a professional organizer and a business management consultant and i live in philadelphia um i actually was asked to be a minority inspector in um 3615 that's the ward in the division i was just purely doing this to help my mom out she's a ward leader in a different area of the city um i'm actually not a i'm a registered democrat and i just wanted to help and make sure it was a fair election i don't i don't care who wins i care that it's a fair election

um i showed up to the polls at 6 30 in the morning immediately i was met with a hostile attitude from all of the people that i had to work with that would be the majority inspector the poll watcher the machine operator and a committee man who was electioneering in the polls he was wearing um he was wearing shirts and a hat and a mask for who to vote for

um we are about like an hour and a half in in the morning um we have a long line of people we must have had i don't know 60 people in line um in the building snaking around the building and um a woman came up and said i'd like to turn in my mail-in ballot so that i can vote in the booth and uh the girl who was clerking for me said well if you want to turn in your mail-in ballot we're going to need to have you fill out this form and the majority inspector is going to need to sign the form the majority inspector had decided uh in the middle of the morning to go home and was not in the polling place for over 45 minutes um to my understanding you as the minority as a um i'm sorry not the majority inspector uh the judge of elections my apologies she had gone home and to my understanding the judge of elections is not to leave the polling place um so she was out of the building we needed her to sign this form

uh the man who was electioneering and was a poll watcher but also a committee man um confronted myself and the clerk and said you don't know what you're talking about anybody can sign the affidavit um why don't you stop trying to cause problems why don't you shut up started getting in my face cursing at me telling me that i needed to be quiet that i didn't know what i was talking about and i should just learn to sit down and not say anything and just let it happen and my clerk and i said no we're not going to let that happen that's ridiculous it says very clearly in our training and on this sheet that an affidavit needs to be signed by the judge of elections if somebody's going to turn in a mail-in ballot before they can go vote in the booth

we made her wait finally the judge of elections came back um not of course before he was threatening me the majority inspector threatened to slap me in the face

and uh he told me that it was going to become a quote-unquote racial issue i'm not really sure why that would become a racial issue it has nothing to do with race it has everything to do with following procedure and making sure it's an honest election um i felt threatened i called my ward leader the ward leader then called the commissioner for philadelphia al schmidt al schmidt had me call um and report that to the da um and then about an hour and a half after that uh the majority inspector told me that she wanted to vote because we had a lull in people coming to the polls so it was pretty quiet and i looked her name up so that she could sign the book and it said that she needed to remit her mail-in ballot or vote provisionally she said oh i threw that in the trash and i said well then you have to vote provisionally and the machine operator and the same uh committee man poll watcher who was electioneering that i mentioned before um got up in my face again told me that i didn't belong there that i needed to shut up started cursing expletives at me again told me that they were going to allow her to do that and i better be quiet about it and then they let her go into the polls and vote and she did not vote provisionally at all she voted and who knows maybe she voted twice not to mention it wasn't until i had actually called our ward leader who had called the commissioner who had called the da that they then sent representatives down to discuss this with me and defend me i mean i had maybe six men there because i was being threatened in the polling place and um his the committee man that i mentioned earlier who is threatening me then got his cousin involved who was working the polls as a poll watcher and was also wearing electioneering gear she got up in my face demanded to see my credentials then uh refuse tried to refuse to give them back to me told me that they were illegitimate minority inspector certificates

um they basically told me they were going to call my council rep and he was going to come down and make me leave i just ridiculous threats um i then testified in a hearing for the city of philadelphia for them on the same on election day regarding uh this harassment and meanwhile i had mentioned that um until we had the deputy sheriff come down and tell us how to actually receive a mail-in ballot and how to vote provisionally we were not doing it correctly the judge of elections was not doing it correctly and i cannot stress this enough my brother had the same role as me as a minority inspector in a different polling place and he said they were not doing it correctly either i don't think that anybody actually really knew how to receive a mail-in ballot most of the books that we had to um to get your authorized signature some would have a remit ballot um little box that you could click and others didn't have that at all so if somebody came in and remitted a ballot i'd almost have to like hand write that in just to keep it as honest as possible there was no place for that so i don't see really how they were keeping track of that because you could easily you could easily do both and i mean it happened in front of me my majority inspector definitely voted and then went into the polls and voted again um and i unless you have questions i'm not really sure i think that's pretty much what happened

this is gloria lee snover i am chairman of the northampton county republican committee

northampton county is a democrat counties where republicans win elections i have been involved in a political process in northampton county for more than 25 years i've worked on campaigns for township supervisor to president of the united states

this year with one of the most vast complex elections i have ever had to oversee as party county chairman the complexity was due to the new mail and ballot system an ever-changing rule the unmanned drop boxes in the general election that we did not have in the primary also changing the fact that voters could bring their ballot to the polls and vote on the machine and many other new procedures

there was mass confusion regarding the mail and ballot system i fielded scores of calls from northampton county voters and collected incident reports from voters and poll watchers regarding the november third election the typical calls i would field were:

i didn't ask for a mail and ballot why am i on the mail in ballot list
i did not get my ballot what should i do it's been weeks
how come my wife got her ballot and i didn't get one we applied on the same day
how can i vote on the machines if i applied for a ballot
is it safe to put my ballot in the mail
my ballot says it wasn't received and i turned it into the election office in person
my ballot says canceled what does that mean
i voted in person and it still says not counted
i've been on hold with the election office 70 minutes what do i do

in turn because of these questions i had a number of phone calls and emails correspondence with the election office and the county solicitor before election day trying to make sure i was disseminating information correctly to the voters volunteers and the campaign one call turned heated when the registrar threatened to turn me over to the district attorney for posting a picture of a voter ballot harvesting a large bag of ballots at a northampton county dropbox it was my opinion the registrar was more concerned we exposed it rather than the fact that it was happening

the most pertinent information i have to offer this committee was my conversation with the election office regarding curing the disqualified naked ballots which they unlawfully pre-campus before election day they actually told me on the phone early in october they felt them they held them up to the light they separated them out in different boxes

reflecting back on these three weeks in the experience the major concerns regarding this election are equal protection were the democrats and republicans treated the same were they given the same information an opportunity to vote did they equally have an opportunity to cure their disqualified ballot not in my county there was no ability to properly witness the canvas of the mail-in ballot or see the actual ballot were there signatures the solicitor told me there is absolutely no law that allows us to see the counting or to see the ballot to this day we have no idea what or whose ballots were counted

another one very strange there's a pattern of reactivated old voter rolls that kept reoccurring on the sure system the sure system is our pennsylvania voter system scores of people that had not voted since the 1990s more than 22 years ago were all now reactivated and receiving mail in ballots people that didn't vote for obama or hillary were all of a sudden receiving mail in ballots setting up the opportunity for fraud on a massive scale that would go undetected because voters who never intended to vote would not know

the sure system is not so sure we also found in northampton county more than 1500 votes where the mail-in ballot was received in the election office on a date before it was even mailed we have a problem with this election thank you for allowing me to share my election experience and i plead with you to remedy the mail and ballot process thank you thank you for your testimony