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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:46:35 AM EDT
I haven't seen this posted yet, but it's a pretty good watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB6iAQr8kyw

Dan O'Kelly has testified in 4 cases about the ATF ignoring its own definitions of words like "receiver" and how it's just a matter of time before the courts recognize a lower is not a legal firearm, even though they claim it is.  

CNN even wrote about the guy last February.  https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/us/ex-atf-agent-ar-15/index.html
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 9:48:27 AM EDT
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Nothing should be considered a firearm unless it’s complete and in working condition.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 9:49:07 AM EDT
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Full semi automatic
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 9:57:17 AM EDT
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Problem is you can make a firearm out a trip to home depot that is 100% functional too. PA Luty proved that, there are also manuals out there on how to make hom built scratch ammo(no primers), so at what point does a firearm become a firearm because id be more afraid of the guy with a 100% PA Luty home built, than a 81% brick of aluminum.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:02:42 AM EDT
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything


Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:05:09 AM EDT
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those are just parts.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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I see your date and post count.
Welcome to ARFCOM fellow firearms enthusiasts.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:06:26 AM EDT
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Where do you go from not a complete firearm to stolen property?  You should try out for the Olympics cause you can leap like a mother.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:06:53 AM EDT
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Nothing should be considered a firearm, because they should be controlled the same way a pencil is.
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I see your date and post count.
Welcome to ARFCOM fellow firearms enthusiasts.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those are just parts.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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I see your date and post count.
Welcome to ARFCOM fellow firearms enthusiasts.
Obviously, if the police bust a crackhouse, and there's a sawn apart rifle on the table who's serial number traces to be stolen...that's evidence of stolen property.

This would be more like busting a guy that has bought all of the parts from JC Whitney to build a jeep, they're sitting in a pile in his yard, for having an unregistered car under a zoning regulation.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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That's one of the worst counterarguments I've ever heard. I'm impressed.
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.
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You ignore the cars or guns in your arguments were complete when stolen.

You also ignore stealing is a crime regardless of what was stole.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:19:54 AM EDT
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Fuckin dumb

Let receivers be receivers

You open Pandora's box and next thing you know barrels are now considered the firearm or the bolt or some other tarded fuckin shit
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:22:16 AM EDT
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Problem is you can make a firearm out a trip to home depot that is 100% functional too. PA Luty proved that, there are also manuals out there on how to make hom built scratch ammo(no primers), so at what point does a firearm become a firearm because id be more afraid of the guy with a 100% PA Luty home built, than a 81% brick of aluminum.
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Out of what from home depot

any links?

asking for a friend
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.
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Where do you go from not a complete firearm to stolen property?  You should try out for the Olympics cause you can leap like a mother.

So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.
If there's a hacksaw on the table and the gun is cut apart, there's going to be enough circumstantial evidence that they had it as a working firearm.  

If the gun got stolen 20 years ago, and is covered in rust as well as cut apart, you may not be able to get a conviction for felon in possession of a firearm.  That's perfectly fine.  I've actually seen a similar case get dropped down to stolen property from felon in possession.
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He seems concerned.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:25:42 AM EDT
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We live in a world where a man is a woman on Tuesdays, Thursdays, And Sundays. Riots are peaceful and peaceful is insurrection. I am sure they can easily slip in "A lower is not a lower but is still a machine gun.".
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Nothing should be considered a firearm unless it’s complete and in working condition.

Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5856.jpg


It's still early in the morning and there's some time left, but to put out a more stupid thought will take some extraordinary doing.  Possibly the stupidest post of the day/week/month/year.
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.
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That's not how stolen property charges work...
The traceability (SN) still points to stolen property and has zero to do with whether or not the firearm is functional.

You can't drive a stripped truck frame.
You don't have to register/license a stripped truck frame until you want to drive it.
You can still get a stolen property charge if you steal a stripped truck frame.
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?
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That is some retard logic right there.   What does calling a receiver a gun for someone following the law have to do with someone running a chop shop for cars or parting out stolen guns?  The cars are still stolen rather you call it a car or not.  There is clear intent when you steal a gun and then remove a barrel, you still stole the gun.  Same with the car.   If someone buys a car door from the junk yard I would not expect it to be treated the same as the full car and I would not need a drivers license if I want to walk around carrying my car door.
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?
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They'd still be in possession of stolen property you walnut
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Do you have to title and plate the parts?

Or just the complete car when you want to drive it on the road?


Basically, your analysis is faulty.   Complete car = plates and taxed.   Complete firearm = FFL and "gun."

Otherwise people are stealing expensive parts, whether it be hunks of aluminum, engines or slides etc.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Awesome. Finally someone to take some of the heat off of us '20ers
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Just like the pistol caliber, your username tells me you're not wanted.
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Let receivers be receivers

You open Pandora's box and next thing you know barrels are now considered the firearm or the bolt or some other tarded fuckin shit
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Correct sir, would have to start doing 4473's on uppers also, then the parts next. Leave it alone where the trigger group is.  Bottom line with FJ and the Hoe in charge we are in for worse shit to argue about.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Join date, post count. This is going to be a long ass year
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Let receivers be receivers

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Finally somebody gets it.  One day I'm going to be telling my kids how we used to be able to have every part of an AR15 except the lower receiver shipped to our door like it was candy, but then some guys screwed it up because they kept arguing that the receiver isn't a firearm because it needs all these other parts.  So the government finally listened to them and decided they should regulate all the parts, not just one.
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Just curious if anyone taking the time to respond actually watched the interview?  It was pretty good.
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?
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You're way out of your depth here. This is very poor trolling.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Nothing should be considered a firearm unless it’s complete and in working condition.

Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Of all the dumb shit I’ve heard you’re in the top 5.  You must be a lawyer.
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"it's easier for a child to get a gun than a computer or a book" - Obama
Firearms community: BOO THIS MAN

"guns should be controlled like pencils"
Firearms community: APPLAUDS

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Let receivers be receivers

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Exactly...... I still cant understand why so many smoothbrains think this could possibly benefit anyone...... with the exception of the Felon in CA who was making/selling unserialized lowers.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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I mean other than the fact that those are still stolen fucking property.

One of the shittiest arguments I’ve seen on Arf, and that saying a LOT.
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Lower with a third hole would be a conversion device (thus a MG) for the upper if the upper is reclassified as the receiver.  Just like a "shaved" HK FA trigger pack in a clip on grip frame.

We do NOT want the ATF to go there.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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Nothing should be considered a firearm unless it’s complete and in working condition.

Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909545/2019/06/img_5854.jpg
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good point, new guy.  How about this instead - all gun laws are unconstitutional and should be repealed and failing that, ignored.  See?  now we don't even have to argue about complete or not.
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?
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... lol... gonna block this account.
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Out of what from home depot

any links?

asking for a friend
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Problem is you can make a firearm out a trip to home depot that is 100% functional too. PA Luty proved that, there are also manuals out there on how to make hom built scratch ammo(no primers), so at what point does a firearm become a firearm because id be more afraid of the guy with a 100% PA Luty home built, than a 81% brick of aluminum.

Out of what from home depot

any links?

asking for a friend

no offense, but you are way behind the learning curve bro.
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Finally somebody gets it.  One day I'm going to be telling my kids how we used to be able to have every part of an AR15 except the lower receiver shipped to our door like it was candy, but then some guys screwed it up because they kept arguing that the receiver isn't a firearm because it needs all these other parts.  So the government finally listened to them and decided they should regulate all the parts, not just one.
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Fuckin dumb

Let receivers be receivers

You open Pandora's box and next thing you know barrels are now considered the firearm or the bolt or some other tarded fuckin shit

Finally somebody gets it.  One day I'm going to be telling my kids how we used to be able to have every part of an AR15 except the lower receiver shipped to our door like it was candy, but then some guys screwed it up because they kept arguing that the receiver isn't a firearm because it needs all these other parts.  So the government finally listened to them and decided they should regulate all the parts, not just one.


Too late to climb on board with chase.  None of that was what you have been saying.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

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This isn’t the site for you. Not going to ignore just yet
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:56:52 AM EDT
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

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Your post makes no logical sense.

Are you high right now?
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"it's easier for a child to get a gun than a computer or a book" - Obama
Firearms community: BOO THIS MAN

"guns should be controlled like pencils"
Firearms community: APPLAUDS

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Nothing should be considered a firearm, because they should be controlled the same way a pencil is.


"it's easier for a child to get a gun than a computer or a book" - Obama
Firearms community: BOO THIS MAN

"guns should be controlled like pencils"
Firearms community: APPLAUDS

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uhhh, you ain't all there are ya?

The first statement was a lie - hence the booing.  The second statement is true - hence the applause.
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/thread.

It must be depressing to be an ATF agent and know that the vast majority of your life work is dedicated to a lie.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 10:58:31 AM EDT
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[It's okay, scrote] If someone steals all my gold bars, all they have to do is cut them in half.  Then they didn't really steal my gold bars.  [/It's okay, scrote]

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Where do you go from not a complete firearm to stolen property?  You should try out for the Olympics cause you can leap like a mother.

So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?


[It's okay, scrote] If someone steals all my gold bars, all they have to do is cut them in half.  Then they didn't really steal my gold bars.  [/It's okay, scrote]

I personally would really like to thank @Fowty.  Whether he actually believes this, setting a new bar for the class of 2021 or sucks at trolling:

He has single handedly unified: flubro and doomer, never trumper and trump worshiper, Qtard and realist, beans vs no beans, Taylor Swift is hot vs looks like a 12yr old boy.  


We all agree that the chop shop analogy was quite possibly the most assine argument posted in the last year.

He shows a path out of the darkness for the classes of 2013 and 2020 to no longer be shamed.  
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So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?
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Where do you go from not a complete firearm to stolen property?  You should try out for the Olympics cause you can leap like a mother.

So let's say someone steals all your guns.  Before the police catch them, they remove the barrels.  According to the post I quoted, since they're not "complete and in working condition" that means they're no longer firearms.  So that person shouldn't be arrested and charged with being in possession of stolen firearms.  All they have is some silly parts with numbers stamped into them.  Paperweights really.

Somebody above compared guns to pencils, but somehow my statement was the dumbest?  So if someone steals all your guns, they should be charged the same way they would if they stole that number of pencils right?  Because guns are like pencils?

but still stolen property...
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

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Hello fellow firearm enthusiast! We should probably serial number magazines and ammo too right?
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A fucking pencil !
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 11:04:35 AM EDT
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Honestly, people. Stop feeding the fucking shareblue trolls. Use the ignore feature.
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Using that same logic, no one should ever be arrested or charged with running a chop shop since the vehicles aren't "complete and in working condition"

Oh the 3 DOZEN stolen Tahoes and Silverados these people were arrested for?  Nah those aren't vehicles, those are just parts.  VINs don't mean anything.  Don't charge them with anything

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What's that tactic where somebody starts a thread about something, and then some douchebag comes in and derails the thread using misdirection and shitposting so that the thread is no longer about what the thread was originally about, but is now about whatever the shitposter wanted it to be about?  I can't think of the term.
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Out of what from home depot

any links?

asking for a friend
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Problem is you can make a firearm out a trip to home depot that is 100% functional too. PA Luty proved that, there are also manuals out there on how to make hom built scratch ammo(no primers), so at what point does a firearm become a firearm because id be more afraid of the guy with a 100% PA Luty home built, than a 81% brick of aluminum.

Out of what from home depot

any links?

asking for a friend

There was a guy who built an AK out of an old shovel
https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/diy-shovel-ak-photo-tsunami-warning.179192/

The forum post is so old the pics don’t seem to work. Best place I could find them is at the chive, the other sites don’t have but a picture or two total.
https://thechive.com/2012/12/06/apparently-you-can-make-an-ak-47-out-of-just-about-anything-25-photos/
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