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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:45:33 PM EDT
….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…?
Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:47:51 PM EDT
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Read up on why it was made illegal to begin with...
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:49:38 PM EDT
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Can't have a War on Drugs if the drugs are legal...
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:50:00 PM EDT
[#3]
The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better.
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:50:29 PM EDT
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Are you advocating for moar taxes?
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:50:34 PM EDT
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It's legal in almost half of the country.
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amped: Read up on why it was made illegal to begin with... Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:53:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CenterMass762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:54:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. And no chance of dying from fentanyl. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LostX: And no chance of dying from fentanyl. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LostX: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. And no chance of dying from fentanyl. Yep, you know exactly what you're getting. You can also choose the strain you like for effects you want. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akguy1985: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. Well, looks like they didn't do the best job they could have done. Lol |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 10:58:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. I've heard you are correct. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akguy1985: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:01:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bondservant2: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Yep, you know exactly what you're getting. You can also choose the strain you like for effects you want. Yeah last time I was in Vegas I stopped into a dispensary. Guy was very well educated in his product and showed off their operation. They could trace back every shipment to the day it was planted. I’ll admit I thought the idea of dispensaries were fly by nights. Some may be, but the bigger ones are very legit. Just make the damn thing legal. I’d much rather deal with room full of potheads than a society full of drunks. But most of the smokers are their own worst enemy. Lighting up everywhere they go. People don’t like that and will fight against you. Not everyone wants to smell your shit. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. You don't know very many people in N. California or Oregon |
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USA
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: It goes back further than that. There were concerns about it being habit forming and some states regulated it well prior to the marijuana tax act. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By akguy1985: Yup, they were afraid the African Americans would get hopped up on marijuana and go around raping white women. The war on drugs is racist. Pretty sure it was about the hemp trade. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:06:05 PM EDT
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It should be legal since it is so easy to test drivers for being over the legal limit, right?
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: You don't know very many people in N. California or Oregon Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. You don't know very many people in N. California or Oregon Bingo! And likely very many other places! I surmise most folks that smoke pot and have done so for much time have their supplies in check and have for a very long time, they ain't gonna buy at inflated prices. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:12:28 PM EDT
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Drug prohibition justifies a plethora of state intrusion. Well all know the state loves to intrude.
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:16:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. Lol, that's bait.  You need to find better plugs. 
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:25:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bondservant2: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? The "regulate it and tax it" proved not to work in California, because government greed ruins it all, if legalization is going to get the criminal element out of the trade, it needs to be like radishes... grow it, use it, knock your socks off, and other than maybe sales tax, the government can GTFO. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: Can't have a War on Drugs if the drugs are legal... |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:55:20 PM EDT
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It definitely didn't work in California. People still regularly buy "illegal" marijuana because it is cheaper than the taxed stuff. Think about it, if you could avoid going to the gas station and paying all those taxes for gas when you could go to a corner and buy it for cheaper, and doing so is decriminalized, which would you choose? It is liking trying to tax criminals, what makes you think a criminal is going pay taxes? People who were smoking weed illegally are just not going to volunteer for taxes now, why would they? Especially in California where it isn't even enforced.
I actually talked to a guy in the Marijuana Control Board in CA. He said it is a mess, CA has the worst of both worlds (legal and illegal). Cartels are a strong as ever, they still find illegal grows that number in the many on private land that is rented from land owners, they still find bodies buried on the land. He told me the illegal growers don't follow any of the laws, but because it is decriminalized their punishment is a soft slap on the wrist at best, while the legit companies get hammered with fines for the slightest, least offensive offense. Not to mention, it seems everyone is a pothead in CA. Companies that require drug testing or cannot hire drug users either have to turn a blind eye and risk legal trouble, or they have trouble filing their ranks. My roommate is a cop, they bust people for driving with an open (marijuana) container all the time. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 11:59:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bondservant2: .why isn't it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol ? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified . |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:01:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LostX: And no chance of dying from fentanyl. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LostX: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. And no chance of dying from fentanyl. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:32:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bondservant2: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. Mostly because bible thumpers and old folks think it will ruin society, but alcohol is totally regulated and never abused and no one ever dies from it so we can keep it. Also, the alcohol industry doesn’t like competition. Once the government gets their heads out of their asses and finds out how much they can tax it (ten percent on top of the already excessive use taxes applied by states, cities, and counties) they’ll legalize it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:34:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556NAT0: It definitely didn't work in California. People still regularly buy "illegal" marijuana because it is cheaper than the taxed stuff. Think about it, if you could avoid going to the gas station and paying all those taxes for gas when you could go to a corner and buy it for cheaper, and doing so is decriminalized, which would you choose? It is liking trying to tax criminals, what makes you think a criminal is going pay taxes? People who were smoking weed illegally are just not going to volunteer for taxes now, why would they? Especially in California where it isn't even enforced. I actually talked to a guy in the Marijuana Control Board in CA. He said it is a mess, CA has the worst of both worlds (legal and illegal). Cartels are a strong as ever, they still find illegal grows that number in the many on private land that is rented from land owners, they still find bodies buried on the land. He told me the illegal growers don't follow any of the laws, but because it is decriminalized their punishment is a soft slap on the wrist at best, while the legit companies get hammered with fines for the slightest, least offensive offense. Not to mention, it seems everyone is a pothead in CA. Companies that require drug testing or cannot hire drug users either have to turn a blind eye and risk legal trouble, or they have trouble filing their ranks. My roommate is a cop, they bust people for driving with an open (marijuana) container all the time. Imagine if they had to test you for alcohol to get a job. Yeah, it’s easier to sell something tax free than it is to sell it with massive taxes. I can’t imagine why that is such a popular thing. Also, buying stolen goods is typically a cheaper option than buying things full price at the store. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:38:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. lol There is no black market in recreational legal states. Not much in the bordering states, either. The quality, prices and vast variety in dispensaries have relegated that market to the dustbin. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:39:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tspike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durtychemist: Mostly because bible thumpers and old folks think it will ruin society, but alcohol is totally regulated and never abused and no one ever dies from it so we can keep it. Also, the alcohol industry doesn’t like competition. Once the government gets their heads out of their asses and finds out how much they can tax it (ten percent on top of the already excessive use taxes applied by states, cities, and counties) they’ll legalize it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durtychemist: Originally Posted By bondservant2: ….why isn’t it legal, regulated and taxed like alcohol…? Seems to me .gov could make a killing off taxing it. Also …what stocks are going to be the ones to own when it IS reclassified…. Mostly because bible thumpers and old folks think it will ruin society, but alcohol is totally regulated and never abused and no one ever dies from it so we can keep it. Also, the alcohol industry doesn’t like competition. Once the government gets their heads out of their asses and finds out how much they can tax it (ten percent on top of the already excessive use taxes applied by states, cities, and counties) they’ll legalize it. You honestly think that 10% tax you made up in your head will generate more money for the states/feds than the revenue from "The War on Drugs" can?  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:52:30 AM EDT
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Because republicans want the weed heads at the ballot box.
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:53:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durtychemist: Imagine if they had to test you for alcohol to get a job. Good. Blow over the limit at a drug screen you should have your offer yanked. Not going to waste my time arguing causation, but there is absolutely a correlation that as weed has become more acceptable.... Homelessness has Increased Depression + Suicide Increased Crime Has Skyrocketed Vehicle Accidents and Intoxicated drivers have skyrocketed Vehicle Insurance has increased Drug use in teens has increased The Great Resignation happened Skilled Workers have vanished Our society is sick and getting worse. The push for legalization is because they want us sitting at home, fat, dumb, stoned and watching Netflix of playing Xbox. It's literally the modern day "opium for the masses" . As time goes on more and more research is showing the harm it's causing to people. Pot is not some magical harmless drug. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:54:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bssrf4: I've not heard of fentanyl in weed. Boomer lore Right there with pot needles |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 1:01:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MobileHomie: Boomer lore Right there with pot needles Be more respectful, sonny. We still remember when they hid eight balls in disco albums. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 1:06:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DFARM]
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Originally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. Some of the prices in the dispensaries in Washington are like 10-15% of what it was when some kids I knew in highschool were buying it. Originally Posted By tcfla: It should be legal since it is so easy to test drivers for being over the legal limit, right? That's a legitimate issue, also, how can you tell if the guy who just drove your forklift through a door and off the dock got high two hours ago or on Saturday night last week. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 1:08:44 AM EDT
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REEFER MADNESS!!!
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Posted: 5/25/2024 1:19:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LostX]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bssrf4: I've not heard of fentanyl in weed. It’s a lore apparently, as burning kills off fentanyl. I was exaggerating a bit, but with cartel supplied weed, you’re risking getting a mixed bag of who knows what. Not like they have a quality assurance team. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 1:22:15 AM EDT
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I've never smoked weed, but after I retire I believe I shall take up the habit.
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:19:22 AM EDT
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OP thinks the will of the people matters to the ruling class. Sure would be nice. Legalizing it and taxing it probably increases their net control. Either way it will never be legalized totally. Gotta tax and regulate those plants.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Enzo300: lol There is no black market in recreational legal states. Not much in the bordering states, either. The quality, prices and vast variety in dispensaries have relegated that market to the dustbin. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Enzo300: Originally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. lol There is no black market in recreational legal states. Not much in the bordering states, either. The quality, prices and vast variety in dispensaries have relegated that market to the dustbin. I don't think that's correct talking to people around here. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:24:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LostX: And no chance of dying from fentanyl. Also cant nod off on special k and drown in your hot tub. Hahaha, hella way to go. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:26:06 AM EDT
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Sick of hearing about it non-stop, but why does it need to be taxed?
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:30:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: Can't have a War on Drugs if the drugs are legal... That is probably part of it. Also, from what I've read, states that have "made it legal and tax it" are being undercut by the illegal cartel weed anyway. They aparently tax and regulate it too much. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:35:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Papaw: I've never smoked weed, but after I retire I believe I shall take up the habit.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:39:03 AM EDT
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Reading the OP is like having an conversation with my 70 year old mother. Like almost 100% the same, she just asked me how to invest in legal weed.
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USA
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:40:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Media_Noche: Drug prohibition justifies a plethora of state intrusion. Well all know the state loves to intrude. so true all these states loosening prohibition are giving out licenses by race blacks, then hispanics, then everyone else thankfully we're eliminating the prohibition, thereby getting rid of the state intrusion into people's lives and da free market |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:40:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: You don't know very many people in N. California or Oregon Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By cschaeff: The black market price will always be cheaper and sell better. I don't know a single person in a legal state who still buys black market weed. It might be cheaper but the quality, for the most part, is nowhere near the quality of the legit operations. You don't know very many people in N. California or Oregon I was already proud of that before you brought it up |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 2:40:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Sick of hearing about it non-stop, but why does it need to be taxed? Because this is America. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:14:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amped: Read up on why it was made illegal to begin with... Did anybody ever collect the money put up by the guy who wrote The Emperor Wears No Clothes? |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:21:28 AM EDT
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That's a great idea it's a wonder peeps haven't thought of such a Biz deal with the Fed .Gov.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:24:54 AM EDT
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Teetotalers
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Posted: 5/25/2024 3:29:04 AM EDT
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Biggest guess at a federal level is pharma has a ton of control over the government and if it becomes too legit they lose billions in lack of pain pill sales and probably more billions in drugs to treat people dying from alcohol. I'd imagine corporations invested in alcohol pressure against it as well.
The government tried to ban nicotine vapor products which are exponentially less harmful than smoking just to keep cash flowing from tobacco taxes. The government and corporations have no problem killing you if the price is right |
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