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Posted: 11/14/2018 1:56:44 PM EDT
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That makes one of us...
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Posted: 11/14/2018 1:58:15 PM EDT
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Need more 9x23 Win options, it is mo betta
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:04:22 PM EDT
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Need more 9x23 Win options, it is mo betta Surplus 7.62x25 can be had for around 20 cpr or less, and new production just over 30 cpr. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:07:33 PM EDT
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Zastava does make a modernized Tok (M88A), but it's chambered in 9x19.
https://www.zastava-arms.rs/en/civilianproduct/pistol-m88a |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:09:35 PM EDT
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Zastava does make a modernized Tok (M88A), but it's chambered in 9x19. https://www.zastava-arms.rs/en/civilianproduct/pistol-m88a |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:09:57 PM EDT
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I don’t know why but I’d be down for a Glock in 7.62 TOK.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:11:50 PM EDT
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I like that better too, but ammo prices can be problematic for 9x23. Surplus 7.62x25 can be had for around 20 cpr or less, and new production just over 30 cpr. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:13:55 PM EDT
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I thought the surplus dried up years ago? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like that better too, but ammo prices can be problematic for 9x23. Surplus 7.62x25 can be had for around 20 cpr or less, and new production just over 30 cpr. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:15:02 PM EDT
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I don't know why but I'd be down for a Glock in 7.62 TOK. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:17:10 PM EDT
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I'd buy a modern Tok in 7.62 right now. Zastava does still make the M57 in 7.62x25, or at least they did until recently, because you could buy new-made ones with the new Zastava logo on the grips. I bet they'd do a run of 7.62x25 M88As if enough of a market existed. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:19:35 PM EDT
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A Glock 20 conversion kit would be sweet. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:39:19 PM EDT
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Isn't the OAL too much for pretty much every modern pistol design? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Glock 20 conversion kit would be sweet. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:43:53 PM EDT
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I'd be in for one as well. Sitting on about a dozen sealed tins of the ammo from back when it was dirt cheap.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:45:56 PM EDT
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I've been wanting a modern polymer frame 7.62x25 for years.
It would be sick with a rotating barrel lock-up like the Beretta 8000 series. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:49:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. 10mm AUTO necked down to 7.62 could throw some serious velocity.... If you're into that sort of thing. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:51:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:51:58 PM EDT
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I always thought it was a much better AP/pdw type cartridge as-is than the 5.7 and with a little tweaking would surpass it in every area except capacity. I would definitely carry a modern pistol chambered in it.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:53:34 PM EDT
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Bottle neck wildcat : 10mm AUTO necked down to 7.62 could throw some serious velocity.... If you're into that sort of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. 10mm AUTO necked down to 7.62 could throw some serious velocity.... If you're into that sort of thing. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:54:15 PM EDT
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Tok is 1.38 vs 1.26 for 10mm. I didn't know glock specs, just that 1911s and Witnesses didn't have enough room in the magwell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. The .45 ACP and 10mm cartridges are shorter COL, as are their mags. It needs a new magazine with longer COL, longer grip frame to accommodate that magazine. Since solving these problems are beyond the copy-paste nature of most of the firearms industry, we won't see one anytime soon. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:58:21 PM EDT
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Tok is 1.38 vs 1.26 for 10mm. I didn't know glock specs, just that 1911s and Witnesses didn't have enough room in the magwell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. Love to be proven wrong! |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:58:28 PM EDT
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Why? There's no point. Buy yourself a Glock 20. Get a 357 SIG barrel for it. You can load 90 gr bullets up as fast, possibly faster than 7.62x25. You can load 115 gr bullets to a 1.26" OAL and push them pretty fast too if you're after cheap plinking fun. Brass is common and cheap. Dies are common and cheap. Bullets are standard 9x19 bullets so...common and cheap. Surplus 7.62x25 is gone and was of rather questionable quality anyways.
ETA: Consider this too, necking down pistol cartridges doesn't buy you as much as with rifles. Due to the short barrel, you have a limited amount of time to use the pressure to accelerate a bullet. Pressure applied over a larger surface area generates more force and does more work. 10mm with light bullets is about as fast as 357 SIG and 7.62x25. Heck, 40 S&W with light bullets is no slouch either. 7.62x25 is what? an 85 gr going 1600 fps. 357 SIG will put a 90 gr downrange at 1700 fps and stay inside SAAMI pressures. One manufacturer is claiming 1900 fps, haven't done my due diligence on that yet. 10mm will put a 135 gr downrange at 1600 fps and stay inside SAAMI pressures (I've seen higher claims but...) There are possibly descrepancies in barrel lengths but I don't have time to dig for equal barrel length numbers |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:01:29 PM EDT
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7.62 x 25 CZ needs to remake something like the CZ 52, or someone needs to make a modernized Tokarev. Even a 1911 would be great. I want a modernized evolution of the CZ 52 Roller-locked top, DA/SA bottom, double stack mag. And, of course, modernized 7.62x25 ammo to shoot in it. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:02:07 PM EDT
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That's the problem. The .45 ACP and 10mm cartridges are shorter COL, as are their mags. It needs a new magazine with longer COL, longer grip frame to accommodate that magazine. Since solving these problems are beyond the copy-paste nature of most of the firearms industry, we won't see one anytime soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. The .45 ACP and 10mm cartridges are shorter COL, as are their mags. It needs a new magazine with longer COL, longer grip frame to accommodate that magazine. Since solving these problems are beyond the copy-paste nature of most of the firearms industry, we won't see one anytime soon. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:02:25 PM EDT
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That's the problem. The .45 ACP and 10mm cartridges are shorter COL, as are their mags. It needs a new magazine with longer COL, longer grip frame to accommodate that magazine. Since solving these problems are beyond the copy-paste nature of most of the firearms industry, we won't see one anytime soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. The .45 ACP and 10mm cartridges are shorter COL, as are their mags. It needs a new magazine with longer COL, longer grip frame to accommodate that magazine. Since solving these problems are beyond the copy-paste nature of most of the firearms industry, we won't see one anytime soon. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:04:01 PM EDT
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I'd buy a modern Tok in 7.62 right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Zastava does make a modernized Tok (M88A), but it's chambered in 9x19. https://www.zastava-arms.rs/en/civilianproduct/pistol-m88a |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:04:08 PM EDT
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Why? There's no point. Buy yourself a Glock 20. Get a 357 SIG barrel for it. You can load 90 gr bullets up as fast, possibly faster than 7.62x25. You can load 115 gr bullets to a 1.26" OAL and push them pretty fast too if you're after cheap plinking fun. Brass is common and cheap. Dies are common and cheap. Bullets are standard 9x19 bullets so...common and cheap. Surplus 7.62x25 is gone and was of rather questionable quality anyways. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:05:36 PM EDT
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I've been wanting a modern polymer frame 7.62x25 for years. It would be sick with a rotating barrel lock-up like the Beretta 8000 series. 
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:06:00 PM EDT
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That's the problem. The .45 ACP and 10mm cartridges are shorter COL, as are their mags. It needs a new magazine with longer COL, longer grip frame to accommodate that magazine. Since solving these problems are beyond the copy-paste nature of most of the firearms industry, we won't see one anytime soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nyet, comrade. Glock pistol for 10 mm chambering properly long for 7.62 Tokarev. The .45 ACP and 10mm cartridges are shorter COL, as are their mags. It needs a new magazine with longer COL, longer grip frame to accommodate that magazine. Since solving these problems are beyond the copy-paste nature of most of the firearms industry, we won't see one anytime soon. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9x25 Dillon would be really hot. Basically, I don't think 9x25 outruns 357 SIG by much. Early 9x25 adopters were playing games running comps and loading to god knows what. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:19:04 PM EDT
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7.62 x 25 CZ needs to remake something like the CZ 52, or someone needs to make a modernized Tokarev. Even a 1911 would be great. Actually, i’d Like to buy a PDW in that caliber like an MPX |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a modernized evolution of the CZ 52 Roller-locked top, DA/SA bottom, double stack mag. And, of course, modernized 7.62x25 ammo to shoot in it. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:21:30 PM EDT
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Norinco made a p226 clone in 7.62x25 for the canadian market a few years ago. The frame, slide, and mags had to be extended to fit the longer cartridge.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:25:00 PM EDT
[#33]
cheap surplus dried up a while ago
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:28:54 PM EDT
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Hardly anyone would buy a new model in 7.62x25.
They don't even make a Stechkin APS clone in the original 9x18, and that'd sell well. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 3:36:45 PM EDT
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Why? There's no point. Buy yourself a Glock 20. Get a 357 SIG barrel for it. You can load 90 gr bullets up as fast, possibly faster than 7.62x25. You can load 115 gr bullets to a 1.26" OAL and push them pretty fast too if you're after cheap plinking fun. Brass is common and cheap. Dies are common and cheap. Bullets are standard 9x19 bullets so...common and cheap. Surplus 7.62x25 is gone and was of rather questionable quality anyways. ETA: Consider this too, necking down pistol cartridges doesn't buy you as much as with rifles. Due to the short barrel, you have a limited amount of time to use the pressure to accelerate a bullet. Pressure applied over a larger surface area generates more force and does more work. 10mm with light bullets is about as fast as 357 SIG and 7.62x25. Heck, 40 S&W with light bullets is no slouch either. 7.62x25 is what? an 85 gr going 1600 fps. 357 SIG will put a 90 gr downrange at 1700 fps and stay inside SAAMI pressures. One manufacturer is claiming 1900 fps, haven't done my due diligence on that yet. 10mm will put a 135 gr downrange at 1600 fps and stay inside SAAMI pressures (I've seen higher claims but...) There are possibly descrepancies in barrel lengths but I don't have time to dig for equal barrel length numbers Penetration with it is impressive as it is a narrower bullet. .357 SIG will push a 90gr XTP to 1500fps Double Tap mv is listed as pushing an 80gr TAC-XP to 1725fps Benefit with 7.62x25 is mag capacity since the case head is small. Con is COL of course. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:18:36 PM EDT
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The way around the COL making the grip too big is to not put the magazine in the grip.
 
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:22:00 PM EDT
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Norinco made a p226 clone in 7.62x25 for the canadian market a few years ago. The frame, slide, and mags had to be extended to fit the longer cartridge. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:23:41 PM EDT
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Bottle neck wildcat : 10mm AUTO necked down to 7.62 could throw some serious velocity.... If you're into that sort of thing. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:30:26 PM EDT
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Soon as I read the title that's what my choice would be.
Unfortunately I don't think it'll ever happen because of the outcry from police unions and antis and at least with the bigger manufacturers (Glock, Sig), they won't want to piss off the cops and jeopardize big purchase contracts. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:35:42 PM EDT
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I use 357 SIG as an arguing point as it's a more standard cartridge. I also question the crazy numbers you see with 9x25 Dillon because it's not clear what pressures are being achieved. In theory, you shouldn't exceed the parent case's (10mm) 37.5kpsi SAAMI pressure, but I suspect people are. If you load 357 SIG to 10mm OAL, there isn't that big of a powder capacity difference. 10mm is not a higher pressure cartridge than 357 SIG. Basically, I don't think 9x25 outruns 357 SIG by much. Early 9x25 adopters were playing games running comps and loading to god knows what. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:42:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:48:33 PM EDT
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Norinco made a p226 clone in 7.62x25 for the canadian market a few years ago. The frame, slide, and mags had to be extended to fit the longer cartridge. Does that NP762 have enough "sporting points" to be imported here? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:51:01 PM EDT
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That's pretty cool. Does that NP762 have enough "sporting points" to be imported here? Which, frankly, sucks ass, because they make some neat stuff. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:51:24 PM EDT
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That's pretty cool. Does that NP762 have enough "sporting points" to be imported here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Norinco made a p226 clone in 7.62x25 for the canadian market a few years ago. The frame, slide, and mags had to be extended to fit the longer cartridge. Does that NP762 have enough "sporting points" to be imported here? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:51:49 PM EDT
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That's pretty cool. Does that NP762 have enough "sporting points" to be imported here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Norinco made a p226 clone in 7.62x25 for the canadian market a few years ago. The frame, slide, and mags had to be extended to fit the longer cartridge. Does that NP762 have enough "sporting points" to be imported here? To get that into the US, production would need to be licensed to another country, most likely in Eastern Europe. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:57:00 PM EDT
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30 Luger is a better choice.
I wish it was more popular, it's a great round. All it needs is a cooler name and some marketing and it could take off. 22 TCM is also very interesting if you like the SCHV stuff. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:59:41 PM EDT
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Another batch has been recently imported for sale in Canada. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4827/45157999634_875fcb6b22_b.jpg |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:01:27 PM EDT
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I was considering using an 80% lower and a CZ slide to make such a thing at some point, even started doing some concept work.
I think I still have all the parts here someplace... |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:02:24 PM EDT
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30 Luger is a better choice. I wish it was more popular, it's a great round. All it needs is a cooler name and some marketing and it could take off. 22 TCM is also very interesting if you like the SCHV stuff. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:04:57 PM EDT
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...and a Tok in 10mm.
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