I’ve been on a vintage .22 rifle kick lately (Page 4 of 6)
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Originally Posted By Macchina: I want to love vintage 22's, but the new stuff is just so much better. As you said the old triggers suck. I got a relatively cheap Tikka T1x last year and with the $5 spring it has a perfect 1.5 lbs trigger pull. The barrel is amazing, bolt smooth, and it shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards all day long. On the other hand I picked up a few old Marlins and they are fun for about a range trip or two. After that, I realize the triggers really suck (more takeup than poundage), they just won't shoot great, and the wood and blued steel I bought them for are really not that great. They're great loaner squirrel guns, but not much else. Old cheap 22's had crappy triggers. The middle and upper end Winchesters and Remingtons made in the 40s and 50s are better than anything made today. The trigger on my 74 sucks. The trigger on my 47 is better than any production bolt rimfire made today. I have everything from cheap Stevens to Winchesters to Kimbers (Oregon) to Anschutz. |
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Originally Posted By cmb3366: @shack357 Mine is 177,8xx Originally Posted By cmb3366: Originally Posted By shack357: @cmb3366 How far is your 121 from the 318,000 range? I have one I interited from that range and one I bought as a fixer upper from roughly 175,000. Very cool rifles. @shack357 Mine is 177,8xx I think that's close to my early one. Initially bought it as a parts donor for my nice one-replacements are a bitch. But I looked it over and all it was missing was the bolt assembly, I found one on ebay for $175. |
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| I need to no read this thread or my urge to buy more will kick back in. I’ve pared back a bit and haven’t bought much in a while but I’ve always liked .22s, especially older ones. Picked up a Colt Colteer a while ago for my kid. Needed some work but I couldn’t pass on the deal. I really want a Remington 540X since it was the first rifle I ever fired. |
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Originally Posted By cmb3366: @shack357 Mine is 177,8xx Originally Posted By cmb3366: Originally Posted By shack357: @cmb3366 How far is your 121 from the 318,000 range? I have one I interited from that range and one I bought as a fixer upper from roughly 175,000. Very cool rifles. @shack357 Mine is 177,8xx I was wrong, both of mine are lower than I thought. The nice one is 152xxx, rough one is 117xxx. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By shack357: I was wrong, both of mine are lower than I thought. The nice one is 152xxx, rough one is 117xxx. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146284/1000000912_jpg-3796273.JPG Just looked up mine, 315XX. It has a WH date code, made in August of 1939. |
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Originally Posted By Windustsearch: They have a pretty robust action, not sure what would get wrecked. You could always just close/lock it when you shoot suppressed anyway. Originally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Yeah, not worried about the cost, just don't want to wreck a fine critter getter when I've already got other threaded options... But it will probably happen  Yep, that would be the whole reason for doing it. With the available magazines being 5 or 10rd, it's not like you're ripping off tons of rounds super fast anyways. That's what a 10/22 is for. It's a neat action, that is for sure. My understanding is that the mag fed ones are more difficult to find and the vast majority are tube fed. I've never seen another mag fed one in person. It does use the commonly available folded steel Savage mags. This one is a Coast to Coast branded gun, actually. Fairly accurate after I redid the crown and installed a period correct Weaver 4x scope. |
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Originally Posted By trobertson5-0: The most modern .22 I own was made in the 80s.Pre WW2 vintage.22s weren't considered toys,they fed families. Companies made better .22 rifles then. Even the "budget" ones. For the most part, yeah. It's amazing what the budget guns can do for accuracy these days but the fit/finish/wood and steel and good weight to them made many feel like "real" rifles. Tiny, light ones are fun for certain stuff, but there's nothing quite like vintage blued steel and wood, pristine or with honest patina. Get both. |
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Originally Posted By 302w: As a result of this thread, I won a Stevens 87A "click clack" gill-gun on Gunbroker tonight. This place costs money |
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Originally Posted By BlackdogADV: Here’s my last 2. Top is a 1950s JC Higgins (made by High Standard) and bottom is a Remington 552 made in 1992. Both shoot well however the triggers are terrible. I shoot them 3-4 times a year. I have probably 8 .22s now. Attached File Do you have a "Click-Clack" "Gill Gun"? Any Parlour Guns or Bicycle Guns? Military rimfire trainers? (e.g. Harrington & Richardson MC-58) |
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Originally Posted By 302w: As a result of this thread, I won a Stevens 87A "click clack" gill-gun on Gunbroker tonight. This place costs money Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Andrapos: I was halfway expecting to see a bunch of "gill guns" in here! I've got an old Winchester 74 from the early 1940s, it belonged to my great uncle and is an easy rifle to shoot. I have 6 or 7 of those "Click-Clack" "Gill Guns"; shall I photograph the family for you? |
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Originally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Yep, that would be the whole reason for doing it. With the available magazines being 5 or 10rd, it's not like you're ripping off tons of rounds super fast anyways. That's what a 10/22 is for. It's a neat action, that is for sure. My understanding is that the mag fed ones are more difficult to find and the vast majority are tube fed. I've never seen another mag fed one in person. It does use the commonly available folded steel Savage mags. This one is a Coast to Coast branded gun, actually. Fairly accurate after I redid the crown and installed a period correct Weaver 4x scope. The Model 6 I have is pre-gills, and pre "click-clack"with a different lifter, but it does lock closed. It's a pre-war Utica made gun. Attached File Attached File |
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My submission a Mossberg 44US training rifle from the CMP. Around 2002 I was working at a little shop and the owner’s son was a CMP member. He was ordering an M1, and saw a deal the CMP was running. At the time they were trying to get rid of these things. I think if you bought 4 they were $80 each. So we bought a pile of them, and this one is mine. It’s just from a different era. You guys know what I mean. It is an absolute laser beam. The trigger is heavy, but when it breaks, it’s like breaking the stem of a wine glass. CrazyAttached File |
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Just received this U.S. trainer. Springfield M1922, 1936 mfg. It's a tank... "Over-built" doesn't even begin to describe this gun  Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Atlas-7: Just received this U.S. trainer. Springfield M1922, 1936 mfg. It's a tank... "Over-built" doesn't even begin to describe this gun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179243/1000030842_png-3796451.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179243/1000030843_png-3796452.JPG But at some point manufacturers got away from that and focussed on plinkers and the youth market. I'm not sure anyone was making .22 bit action rifles between the mid 70"s and the mid 90's when Savage cave out with the Mark II - and that was a Canadian gun. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: As someone pointed out earlier, .22's were mainly "working guns" prior to, say, the 70's. They were full size, with a high level of craftsmanship. Yes, they made "boy's rifles", but a lot of them were shortened versions of full sized. And of course target rifles. But at some point manufacturers got away from that and focussed on plinkers and the youth market. I'm not sure anyone was making .22 bit action rifles between the mid 70"s and the mid 90's when Savage cave out with the Mark II - and that was a Canadian gun. This applies to .22 revolvers to some extent as well. While you do still have very well-made (and expensive) .22s revolvers like the Single Six, the "cheap guns" are in a sort of race to the bottom. I recently acquired my grandfather's H&R 999 and it's impressive how well-made it is for a budget .22. |
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Only pic I have at the moment. Nice old Sears model 5. Not quite as pretty as the Browning I used to have, but it doesn't throw the first shot five inches from the rest of the group, either. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By hrt4me: I have 6 or 7 of those "Click-Clack" "Gill Guns"; shall I photograph the family for you? @hrt4me yes, please! Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: I grabbed a gill gun off gunbroker for $155. It's a Stevens Ranger 101.16. I really should get that threaded, it has the perfect action. For those who've never tried one if you hold the trigger back the bolt stays to the rear and you can lock the bolt to make it a single shot.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_oDVqKDhfgNice! A couple of 87A here. From what I understand, when worn out they were somewhat prone to slam fire  so I've got a spare parts kit in case that happens.Originally Posted By Ajax72: My Brother!  I have granddad's old Model 74 that is chambered for Shorts. It's the "funnest" gun I have. It sounds like it's barely spitting the lead out. Not loud at all. Wouldn't trade it for the world! @Ajax72 they are great little rifles! I just double checked mine, it is from 1941 and my great uncle had it drilled to mount a scope. It also has tons of muzzle wear on one side perhaps from being kept in a corner of the basement for 70 years. |
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Originally Posted By Nick_Adams: The old-school Remington "teeners" is what all the Cool Kids used back in the day .... A 514 modified with aperture sight, hasty sling, and stock pak: https://i.imgur.com/wg1YFZr.jpeg Great Appleseed rig .... https://i.imgur.com/clyUdk6.jpeg |
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Originally Posted By kennyrock12: Only pic I have at the moment. Nice old Sears model 5. Not quite as pretty as the Browning I used to have, but it doesn't throw the first shot five inches from the rest of the group, either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108122/sears_jpg-3796700.JPG That Sears looks like the store brand version of a Winchester (I think the lever action was a model 270, a friend had the semi auto version when I was a kid and it was fun to shoot). The store brand versions are often a little plainer but still well made and available at a good bit lower cost since they don’t have the bigger name on them. I’ve had several Marlins, Mossbergs and Winchesters in the store marked versions and all were good. |
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Originally Posted By gunnut284: That Sears looks like the store brand version of a Winchester (I think the lever action was a model 270, a friend had the semi auto version when I was a kid and it was fun to shoot). The store brand versions are often a little plainer but still well made and available at a good bit lower cost since they don't have the bigger name on them. I've had several Marlins, Mossbergs and Winchesters in the store marked versions and all were good. Maybe they stopped doing that when the dropped the JC Higgins brand and switched to Ted Williams? |
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Not a rifle, but vintage. Savage Model 101. Single shot 22. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By JKH62: ... BL-22 Like it way better than my 39A and I converted it into a break down. https://i.imgur.com/oJxzHG5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZhwtzBZ.jpg @JKH62, funny, I just posted the exact same thing in another thread. My buddy has a really nice 39a Golden, and we both like the Browning better. If you ever commercialized whatever is required to do that break down I bet you'd have a metric shit-ton of customers. I'd buy a field grade gun just to be one of 'em. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By gunnut284: That Sears looks like the store brand version of a Winchester (I think the lever action was a model 270, a friend had the semi auto version when I was a kid and it was fun to shoot). The store brand versions are often a little plainer but still well made and available at a good bit lower cost since they don't have the bigger name on them. I've had several Marlins, Mossbergs and Winchesters in the store marked versions and all were good. |
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Originally Posted By Bhart89: Sweet BL22 The BL-22's are really nicely done. Mine was pretty beat up upon receiving it so it was a perfect candidate for a take down conversion. The conversion~ https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Browning-BL-22-take-down-conversion-/47-558954/ |
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Originally Posted By Osprey61: @JKH62, funny, I just posted the exact same thing in another thread. My buddy has a really nice 39a Golden, and we both like the Browning better. If you ever commercialized whatever is required to do that break down I bet you'd have a metric shit-ton of customers. I'd buy a field grade gun just to be one of 'em. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457055/DSC_0285_JPG-3797918.JPG I had a Winchester 94-22 when they 1st came out and absolutely loved that rifle. Never had any luck finding a nice one to bring home. Looked at all the available 22 lever guns and decided on a BL-22 based on its steel receiver and construction. You have the fancy version , lucky guy! |
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Originally Posted By 35Whelen700: https://live.staticflickr.com/1897/30794123978_02d8475b83_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/1895/44664415281_9bd514f418_b.jpg Nice, I've been keeping an eye on those on gunbroker but anything in that condition is fairly expensive. How does it shoot? ETA: At first glance I thought it was a model 65 but the sights and safety is wrong. I assume it's a civilian version but what's the model? |
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Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Nice, I've been keeping an eye on those on gunbroker but anything in that condition is fairly expensive. How does it shoot? ETA: At first glance I thought it was a model 65 but the sights and safety is wrong. I assume it's a civilian version but what's the model? Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Originally Posted By 35Whelen700: https://live.staticflickr.com/1897/30794123978_02d8475b83_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/1895/44664415281_9bd514f418_b.jpg Nice, I've been keeping an eye on those on gunbroker but anything in that condition is fairly expensive. How does it shoot? ETA: At first glance I thought it was a model 65 but the sights and safety is wrong. I assume it's a civilian version but what's the model? It's a Model 65, made in late '43 or early '44. The sling is dated 1944, too. |
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Originally Posted By 35Whelen700: It's a Model 65, made in late '43 or early '44. The sling is dated 1944, too. I thought all 65's had protected front sights, also, they didn't have a blanked out rears from what I've seen. That doesn't mean they didn't exist I just can't find any other photos like yours. |
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Originally Posted By gunnut284: That Sears looks like the store brand version of a Winchester (I think the lever action was a model 270, a friend had the semi auto version when I was a kid and it was fun to shoot). The store brand versions are often a little plainer but still well made and available at a good bit lower cost since they don’t have the bigger name on them. I’ve had several Marlins, Mossbergs and Winchesters in the store marked versions and all were good. Originally Posted By gunnut284: Originally Posted By kennyrock12: Only pic I have at the moment. Nice old Sears model 5. Not quite as pretty as the Browning I used to have, but it doesn't throw the first shot five inches from the rest of the group, either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108122/sears_jpg-3796700.JPG That Sears looks like the store brand version of a Winchester (I think the lever action was a model 270, a friend had the semi auto version when I was a kid and it was fun to shoot). The store brand versions are often a little plainer but still well made and available at a good bit lower cost since they don’t have the bigger name on them. I’ve had several Marlins, Mossbergs and Winchesters in the store marked versions and all were good. Ok, I had to look it up. Looks like the lever action was the 150 or 250, the 250 being a deluxe model. There was a 170/270 that was pump action and a 190/290 that was semi. |
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You inspired me to break out my favorites for a range day. Remington 581 and 582. Look at the walnut on these "budget" rifles. Attached File And Winchesters. Model 67 and 67A "boys rifle". Attached File Attached File They are all certified squirrel murder machines. |
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Originally Posted By trobertson5-0: You inspired me to break out my favorites for a range day. Remington 581 and 582. Look at the walnut on these "budget" rifles. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107119/1000000990_jpg-3798449.JPG And Winchesters. Model 67 and 67A "boys rifle". https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107119/1000000992_jpg-3798450.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107119/1000000993_jpg-3798452.JPG They are all certified squirrel murder machines. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: The 58/59X series weren't budget rifles. They superceded the 51X series, of which the 514 was the budget model and completely different from the 510 through 513 (beehive bolt). They didn't replace the 514 in the lineup when they came out with the 58/59X models. I was under the impression that the 58X series was the cheaper version of the 54X series. The 58X series came out in 1967,the 514 was discontinued in 1969. |
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Originally Posted By trobertson5-0: I was under the impression that the 58X series was the cheaper version of the 54X series. The 58X series came out in 1967,the 514 was discontinued in 1969. I guess it's all relative. |
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Originally Posted By trobertson5-0: You inspired me to break out my favorites for a range day. Remington 581 and 582. Look at the walnut on these "budget" rifles. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107119/1000000990_jpg-3798449.JPG And Winchesters. Model 67 and 67A "boys rifle". https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107119/1000000992_jpg-3798450.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107119/1000000993_jpg-3798452.JPG They are all certified squirrel murder machines. I would love to get my hands on another 581. Amazing shooters, and even though they're "just" .22s they have locking lugs like a centerfire.
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Originally Posted By shack357: I would love to get my hands on another 581. Amazing shooters, and even though they're "just" .22s they have locking lugs like a centerfire.The 591/2 was the same action, but chambered in 5mm Remington Magnum. When Remington (inevitably) stopped making the cartridge people started converting them to center-fire. Some dude was worried about the pressure on the bolt face so he modeled it and did a finite element analysis. Came to something like 45,000 psi case pressure before the lugs started seeing serious stress. I still want to modify one to shoot 7.62x25. |
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