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Originally Posted By TNC: That top one is very close to what I want to build. I'm thinking of SBS'ing a shockwave and putting a side folder on it. This thread motivated me this morning. Just filed Form 1 for my Shockwave and a DDM4V7 pistol. If you have your photo and fingerprints (eft) on digits and know your CLEO, it took all of 10 minutes with eForms  I'm debating on submitting Form 1's for several other "pistols" I have...zero rush as they all have braces right now, but I need to figure out which are the easiest (i.e. cheapest) to modify from brace to stock. ROCK6 |
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Originally Posted By MONGO45: 14” Benelli M4 is very effective. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/86935/IMG_3397_jpeg-3686377.JPG That’s hot. I’d love that to go with my full-size m4. |
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Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: Mark hates making them. Not sure he he will do another run of them. IIRC, Mossberg was supposed to start making them a couple years ago, but not sure what came of that. Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: Mark hates making them. Not sure he he will do another run of them. IIRC, Mossberg was supposed to start making them a couple years ago, but not sure what came of that. I can’t recall the details but PTR sells something similar now called the Jack https://www.ptr-us.com/product/the-jack-12ga-aow/ Originally Posted By Trumpet: I'm thinking the Mossberg 990 would be the "easy button" here... Same here. Would love a semi-auto SBS I’ve got a 930spx but it looks like a PITA to shorten, Remington Tac13s are overpriced & unobtainable. IWI released the Mafteah this year too https://iwi.us/firearms/mafteah-shotgun-series/ |
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Attached File Got the barrel from Brownells. Shotgun is 20 years old this year, pre freedom group. XS big dot epoxied over the bead, and a Surefire 340 that just works so well with the Magpul forend. Loaded with low recoil 8 pell Hornady Tap Versa tite wad. Subsonic in the house, patterns pretty tightly, and penetrates about 15 inches into ballistic gel. 5 +1 with the Wolf +1 extension. Esstac 6 shot side saddle, which you can take or leave. Probably not needed for HD use. Absolute riot to shoot. If I were to do it from scratch, I'd get a Mossberg shockwave, a GG&G forend, and do it pretty much the same. Look for the S version, so you can do hater tots. Totally worth it, and by far the best payload for the money. Or, you can get a Blueline shotgun for 130, cut the Barrel 4 inches, and totally be there. But every house should have one. I don't want to quote Clint, but true is true. |
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Probably gonna pick up a shockwave and a short stock for it, seems like the easiest way. The need to remove the engraving requirement. |
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All of these Remington Model 11s and FN A-5 SBS … 🤩 I remember reading a chart where they chopped a 12 gauge from 28” to 8” and measured velocity, the 18” and 12” had the same velocity due to the burn characteristics of shotgun powder. So you are giving up nothing going from 18” to 12”. |
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Easiest and cheapest reliable option would be to buy a 28 inch barrel Maverick 12ga and chop the barrel/vent rib flush with the end of the tube, using the mid-bead as your new front bead. Total cost $200 or so. Personally I bought a Shockwave, installed a stock, bought stamp, added a new front sight (shockwave bead is wayyyy off) and it’s pretty cool too. This is the only picture I have of it, top left corner 
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Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman: I've wanted a cut down over/under for a while. Narrower than a side by side. My state has a weird C&R requirement for SBS, so that's still a no-go here unless I can buy an unused receiver and AOW it. That's probably possible, but it's low on my wish list. SBSing an 870 receiver would be neat. Have the option to slap a short barrel on there, but still have the capability to put a longer barrel on for bird hunting. An early 870 should be C&R eligible, would that be legal? There's plenty out there. |
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Originally Posted By M41A: but I'd love an 870 like this. https://preview.redd.it/y0wobnaf39w71.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=fc0593bad98dd48036ddf8308cbe899e6ec47c45 I've always liked the vent-rib SBSs. Any details on the barrel / sight combo? |
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This is enough for me, short enough overall but with plenty of capacity and a barrel the same length as the ammo tube. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By anesvick: Probably gonna pick up a shockwave and a short stock for it, seems like them easiest way. Oh it's easy. Attached File |
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Attached File Mossberg 590A1 Factory military SBS 14 inch 5 shot Attached File Now with MagPul fore end. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By shack357: An early 870 should be C&R eligible, would that be legal? There's plenty out there. Originally Posted By shack357: Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman: I've wanted a cut down over/under for a while. Narrower than a side by side. My state has a weird C&R requirement for SBS, so that's still a no-go here unless I can buy an unused receiver and AOW it. That's probably possible, but it's low on my wish list. SBSing an 870 receiver would be neat. Have the option to slap a short barrel on there, but still have the capability to put a longer barrel on for bird hunting. An early 870 should be C&R eligible, would that be legal? There's plenty out there. I have a place just over the border in Iowa. Maybe I should SBS one of mine and keep it there. |
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Originally Posted By Triangle-66: I remember reading a chart where they chopped a 12 gauge from 28” to 8” and measured velocity, the 18” and 12” had the same velocity due to the burn characteristics of shotgun powder. Oh, that's good to know because one of my use cases is bear defense. |
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Originally Posted By Rooster-X: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/76625289474__65F0F91B-66C8-45E0-9C18-E98-3515963.jpg I think I'll SBS this very soon  That is such an awesome & total "No Brainer" to SBS.  Bigger_Hammer 
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Here's a side folder option https://www.kearms.com/kea-590-picatinny-stock-adapter.aspx Anybody use one of these? I have this on my 18" 870 and it works pretty well: https://doublestarusa.com/870rb-remington-870-receiver-block.html With a folding adapter: https://doublestarusa.com/fsm-s-steel-folding-mechanism-with-boss-a500s-k.html And stock: https://doublestarusa.com/ace-pic-rail-akfx-stock-s-8-5.html They make a Mossberg version: https://doublestarusa.com/500rb-mossberg-500-receiver-block.html By the time you tinkertoy all this stuff together it gets expensive. I'd probably go with the pic rail adapter these days. The 870 safety isn't well suited to a pistol grip. |
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Originally Posted By TNC: Here's a side folder option https://www.kearms.com/kea-590-picatinny-stock-adapter.aspx Anybody use one of these? I have this on my 18" 870 and it works pretty well: https://doublestarusa.com/870rb-remington-870-receiver-block.html With a folding adapter: https://doublestarusa.com/fsm-s-steel-folding-mechanism-with-boss-a500s-k.html And stock: https://doublestarusa.com/ace-pic-rail-akfx-stock-s-8-5.html They make a Mossberg version: https://doublestarusa.com/500rb-mossberg-500-receiver-block.html By the time you tinkertoy all this stuff together it gets expensive. I'd probably go with the pic rail adapter these days. The 870 safety isn't well suited to a pistol grip. Not a fan of KE Arms, they stuck beside and supported KKKarl until just a month ago. 
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I plan on cutting this J.C. Higgins model 66 to 14" now that the $200 penalty is gone. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By TNC: Here's a side folder option https://www.kearms.com/kea-590-picatinny-stock-adapter.aspx Anybody use one of these? I have this on my 18" 870 and it works pretty well: https://doublestarusa.com/870rb-remington-870-receiver-block.html With a folding adapter: https://doublestarusa.com/fsm-s-steel-folding-mechanism-with-boss-a500s-k.html And stock: https://doublestarusa.com/ace-pic-rail-akfx-stock-s-8-5.html They make a Mossberg version: https://doublestarusa.com/500rb-mossberg-500-receiver-block.html By the time you tinkertoy all this stuff together it gets expensive. I'd probably go with the pic rail adapter these days. The 870 safety isn't well suited to a pistol grip. I think you meant to say the Mossberg. 870s are great with a pistol grip stock. |
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Originally Posted By M41A: I think you meant to say the Mossberg. 870s are great with a pistol grip stock. This. The Mossberg top tang mounted safety is less than ideal for a pistol grip shotgun. Bigger_Hammer
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: This. The Mossberg top tang mounted safety is less than ideal for a pistol grip shotgun. Bigger_Hammer Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By M41A: I think you meant to say the Mossberg. 870s are great with a pistol grip stock. This. The Mossberg top tang mounted safety is less than ideal for a pistol grip shotgun. Bigger_Hammer Though it's ideal for a birdshead grip like on the shockwave imo. |
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Originally Posted By drobs: +1 but I want a full length stock on mine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/Shockwave-3686505.jpg Originally Posted By drobs: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: I'm planning on throwing a short stock on my shockwave at some point, it'll also be my first SBS. +1 but I want a full length stock on mine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/Shockwave-3686505.jpg Hogue makes a short LOP (I think mine is 11"?) LOP that I put on my Walmart-special 870 SBS that I had made into a Shockwave 10+ years before they were a thing. I hit myself in the mouth the first time I took the birdshead grip shooting when I eased up on my supporting grip and I only had a tight sling from front to back, not a strap on the forearm, and I immediately thought I'd knocked my teeth out.  I immediately ordered the Hogue stock upon arriving home.
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Originally Posted By 302w: I am trying to source a cheap 870 to SBS, because of free stamps. https://ibuyitright.com/product/remington-870-police-magnum-stripped-receiver-with-internal-springs-and-latches-12-gauge/ He was a little slow to ship, had some illness in the family, but I'm happy with what I received. |
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| Pumps are the most practical. Doubles look cool, but often make for an expensive base gun, some of them like the Stevens 311 also partially rely on barrel weight to open the action fully. Even my 30 inch barreled 311 still requires me to physically push it open the rest of the way to load/unload shells. Chopped ones make this problem even worse. Most of the newer Turkish and Brazilian guns aren’t designed like this, so if you insist on chopping a double, go that route. |
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Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: I'm planning on throwing a short stock on my shockwave at some point, it'll also be my first SBS. @Coffin-Nail Get a Streamlight Forgrip (for the shock wave as there are different) along with a MAGPUL stock and the shock wave becomes “useful”. |
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Originally Posted By triode: I have a Benelli M4 Entry (Form4), M1 Super 90 SBS (Form 4 police trade in), 14" Remington 870 (Form 1), and Mossberg 500/ Shockwave (Form 1) that I put a Magpul stock on. Shockwave was by far the cheapest and easiest. I added a Streamlight lighted forearm which works great. What he said. |
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Originally Posted By SiVisPacem: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/242045/bedside_AOW_jpg-3686509.JPG @SiVisPacem That comes with a set of hearing aids if you ever have to use it. |
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Originally Posted By Surf: @Coffin-Nail Get a Streamlight Forgrip (for the shock wave as there are different) along with a MAGPUL stock and the shock wave becomes “useful”. Originally Posted By Surf: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: I'm planning on throwing a short stock on my shockwave at some point, it'll also be my first SBS. @Coffin-Nail Get a Streamlight Forgrip (for the shock wave as there are different) along with a MAGPUL stock and the shock wave becomes “useful”. I was thinking about the 12" Hogue stock to keep things short. |
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Originally Posted By M41A: I think you meant to say the Mossberg. 870s are great with a pistol grip stock. Originally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By TNC: Here's a side folder option https://www.kearms.com/kea-590-picatinny-stock-adapter.aspx Anybody use one of these? I have this on my 18" 870 and it works pretty well: https://doublestarusa.com/870rb-remington-870-receiver-block.html With a folding adapter: https://doublestarusa.com/fsm-s-steel-folding-mechanism-with-boss-a500s-k.html And stock: https://doublestarusa.com/ace-pic-rail-akfx-stock-s-8-5.html They make a Mossberg version: https://doublestarusa.com/500rb-mossberg-500-receiver-block.html By the time you tinkertoy all this stuff together it gets expensive. I'd probably go with the pic rail adapter these days. The 870 safety isn't well suited to a pistol grip. I think you meant to say the Mossberg. 870s are great with a pistol grip stock. No, I have that Ace pistol adapter on my 870 and the crossbolt safety is awkward to manipulate. |
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Originally Posted By Surf: @SiVisPacem That comes with a set of hearing aids if you ever have to use it. Originally Posted By Surf: Originally Posted By SiVisPacem: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/242045/bedside_AOW_jpg-3686509.JPG @SiVisPacem That comes with a set of hearing aids if you ever have to use it. It's not that bad, actually. But I only use the mini shells with it. |
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Originally Posted By optimator: I brought this back from the dead a while back. Looks like a good candidate. https://i.ibb.co/8LLwqD1Q/IMG-4417.jpg Too nice of a gun to chop. I'll buy an express and trade you. Chop that. 
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