Has anyone here done it before? Are there any good dumb phones that do not have tracking? Really do think its negatively impacting my life in general. Thoughts? Opinions

Any cellphone is "trackable."  You don't need GPS and such on the phone at all, there's enough data in tower triangulation.

Thanks for letting us know.

How in the world will you be able to shitpost in GD?!

…….how are you going to watch porn??

If you think that's what it takes, they have some non-smart phones out there.

Of course, I just leave mine on the dresser. I check it every several hours. Usually. Sometimes people get mad when I don't respond immediately, but meh.

Pinephone.

Physical switches to disable gps, data, etc.

Learn to use linux and its reliable enough

How is having a phone negatively impacting your life. Put it away.

Don't even think of it. You need it. It's basically a part of you.

I havn't figured that out yet

Probably a laptop for both I am thinking

Good point

It's still listening though

Pinephone and linux you say?

will have to check that out

Any phone is trackable. Only way you will be able to make sure.it is not tracked it do not let it connect to a cellular network or GPS or any other device that can communicate out.


Most "dumb phones" these days are smart phones in a different package.

Me too. I might be the only Millenial with a flip phone. Have whatever AT&T sent me when my old one no longer worked after the 5g switch.

I have one. It's a lot to learn. I don't use it as a daily driver.

But, you can still have the basics...messaging, web, etc. And you can turn it all off, and the source code is all open so anyone can identify any exploits or backdoors (there are none that I'm aware of).

Be ready to give up some features...for example, the last time I made an effort to use it, you couldn't use bluetooth calling. Had to hook to my vehicle through an aux jack.

And battery life is abysmal, so I had to get a battery case just to make standby times acceptable.

But, if you're willing to do a flip phone, a PinePhone is definitely a step up in functionality from that.

What I've done is learned to hack open ROMs onto consumer grade phones. For example, my last Android was running Lineage OS. As far as the user experience is concerned, that's much easier to live with than the PinePhone, but you do give up the hardware switches.

I carry a flip phone. But keep a tablet with me too for internet stuff but that usually stays in the truck.

Been thinking about a pine phone for a long time but the reviews are not good.

I have plenty of unix and Linux experience, but not a programmer either.  

Any other feedback on a pinephone?

@SmashedRollpin

Everything is listening.

I only use my phone for a couple of specific apps. Other than that I never use it. I'm at work right now and my phone is in my truck in the parking lot.

Nokia still has a few 4g classic phones, one of which can act as an internet hotspot. They still have some apps but at least you can pull the battery. I might go this route when my Motorola E4+ finally dies.

Thank you

Sounds like I would have to learn a lot to use it. Aside from its name I know very little anout linux.

I am so fed ip with the spyware I am about there brother

I have carried one of these for years:

https://orbic.us/products/orbic-journey-v?variant=40474648740046


I don't use my phone for anything but calls and my kids can text me.  

It costs around $100 to buy new and since we are on verizon it works with it just fine.

I have never seen the need for a smart phone but I am 71 so that makes me an old fogey.  I was there when cell phones started.  No social media back then, the world was a better place.  (Off to yell at clouds)

I would love to go back to my Motorola RAZR V8.

The best damn phone ever.

Dumb Phone + Faraday Bag (Get one that works.)

This one works extremely well.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A7MACL2?tag=arfcom00-20

No tracking? In today's world?...



...lol

I don't have cell phone and drive pre ECU truck

Just turn location services off globally on the phone.

Of course, I'm sure there's tracking that's still there.  

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Learn to say "Fuck Joe Biden" in each.

I did it a year or so ago and made it a few months but was weak and went back to my smartphone.  My daughter now uses the flip phone.  I got the Sunbeam Wireless F1.  Sure nothing is totally untraceable but this is pretty offline.  Check out the FAQ and stuff.  It's done by this Mennonite guy.

GPS itself doesn’t communicate out.  But reliability preventing your phone from sharing your location may be difficult.

Get a Google pixel 6 or higher and install GrapheneOS and don't use any apps other than what comes in it. As private and secure as you're going to get.

ETA: you can use apps, just don't use any from Google Store, etc. Only sideload APKs direct from publisher for things like KeePassDX or ProtonVPN, etc.

A cellphone by definition is trackable. Once you connect to cell towers your location can be monitored, and that data sold off.

People that think a flip phone in 2023 is somehow 'dumb' and isn't doing the same shit as a 'smart phone' are equally retarded.

I'm seriously thinking of ditching my iPhone for one of these. Has a QWERTY touchscreen keypad, which is good because I refuse to go back to texting with a number pad only.

Wont be able to read & post in GD when I'm in the can, though.

I have been using the Kycorea duraphone flip phones since 2020 and have been pretty happy with it.  It is very very durable. First on lasted for three years, only had to replace it since it fell off the truck.  It has a web browser but I find the hot spot more useful to connect to my laptop when I need to use the internet for something at job sites.  I think it may use the android operating system since it keeps trying to get me to download the Gmail app when I open my e-mail in the web browser.

Isn't that why people get a couple burners

@DKUltra.

All phones will track you, including the old truly dumb phones that had no gps (basic function of the cellular network that is a required part of how they have always operated).

ALL phones are now required to have GPS in the now. So unless you have the chops and know how to get into them and physically remove the GPS hardware and keep the phone working, that's not an option either.

However...

You can get rid of if not severely cut down on the perot quote, I think ... giant data sucking sound ... that is all the other tracking phones do for advertising (that others can get up onto if they want it for different uses). The amount and places and situations where this stuff is used and collected is mind-bending. We're building society around doing it.

Go here: https://dumbphones.pory.app/

If you want a TRUE dumbphone, you need to select more than just (dumbphone, lifestyle change). You also need to scroll down and find "browser" and select "no" for it.

For network compatability: it has network selection filters. That said, you can also go to your carrier's network page on wikipedia, and look at what channels they use, and than research which of those channels the phone you are looking at covers.

Generically, I would recommend you check the filter for 4G, and 4G Volte (volte just means you can do voice calls over the 4g freqencies). 1 through 3g are all dead or virtually dead here in the usa.

Just a slot worse in the "giant data sucking sound" are feature phones. Which you WILL have to go through and tweak all the settings and permissions on for max privacy.

If you want, tick the filter for "removable battery." That way, you have a way of knowing the bloody thing is OFF, and screw everyone, if that matters to you.

Don't sweat not having google maps and all that. For one thing, you can still get a garmin for the car, if you don't have maps in your car.  You can get used to or even learn for the first time how to get around without all the hand holding. Find a decent paper map of your area and drop it in your car, for just in case.

On road trips you can print out a route for yourself using maps software or sites that are more carefully planned and more thoughtful than the pocket pacifier can do in realtime on the fly.

If you want to do this you can do this.

If you don't want to do this, you will sabotage yourself and make it very hard or impossible.

Most of the carriers have some kind of basic flip phone. Almost all of them are KaiOS, which has some tracking, but not like the smartphones.

Nokia has some non-smartphones, they have a basic non-flip that isn't KaiOS, but AT&T won't activate them. Your options do somewhat depend on what carrier you are on.

https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_us/feature-phones


I'm  not entirely convinced that google doesn't have some hardware stuff in there that can compromise whatever Graphene is trying to do. And not entirely convinced that Graphene is taking the right approach anyway. And wish that one could just buy one already set up correctly, and that they weren't $800 or whatever the price on them is now. I really wish they'd support a ~$150 Nokia or whatever model that would be more affordable.

I have a PinePhone, it's a neat little toy but they are not something I would remotely consider for a regular-use phone witihout some major software advances.

Great info thank you!

More to chew over lol

I just toss my samsung in a faraday bag in my pocket.  When I want to look at it I take it out of the bag.

Buy a Faraday bag from Amazon.  It will stop all RF emissions. I have one and it works. Kind of inconvenient, but security is always inconvenient.  There are a thousand choices and prices.

Truth. Back in the early cell phone days, my brother's company helped locate a carjacking/kidnapping victim.  The perps jacked her car and threw her in the trunk. She dialed 911 from the there. Triangulation put them really close.

There have been some true TRUE dumbphones, almost 90s style, for 2nd world markets that are listed to work on our networks, but I couldn't decipher the frequency coverage lists last time I looked at them.  Site was swearing up and down that it was compatable though.

YMMV and some risk and all that for people who pursue that route.

The only option at this point.

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That only works where you can apply it.

I don't think you can apply that to the NFC/Bluetooth/wifi/rf signal transmitters themselves, or to virtually any of the software on the smartphones that vacuum up the data from those and your usage and shovel them out onto networks.

It would let you encrypt the content you put into some things, though.

There’s always this classic