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Posted: 10/15/2018 6:48:05 AM EDT
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He should teach the Air Force to build hangars... 
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Posted: 10/15/2018 6:48:55 AM EDT
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Exactly. We didn't know about the strength and structure benefits to concrete 50 years ago. And there were no such things as hurricane back then either.  
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Posted: 10/15/2018 6:49:51 AM EDT
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Why is his deck so narrow? You cant even stretch your legs out on that thing. Hardly even get past the chair |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 6:55:30 AM EDT
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Oh yeh - A little Windex will fix that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The three-floor home's ground floor was destroyed, as was the staircase leading to the middle floor. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 6:57:40 AM EDT
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One thing I've noticed in the various pictures of the rubble is a virtual absence of Simpson type brackets. I suspect much of the construction predates Andrew.
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:00:22 AM EDT
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Like many in Mexico Beach, nobody could have predicted that a Category 4 hurricane would directly hit the town. More |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:10:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're now designing houses in hurricane zones with a ground floor designed to be destroyed - or no care is given to build it to withstand the surge water. It's not a main living area. It's the utility space which brings up electrical power, sewer, water, etc to/from the living floors. The walls are designed to give way while the support columns keep the upper floors safe. The water comes in, takes out everything in the ground floor except the pilings, and then allows the water to recede once the hurricane is over. After the hurricane, you bring in an electrician, a plumber, and general construction workers to rebuild the lower walls. You're back in a livable house in a few weeks. I would design in some type of roll-down door for the windows on the seaward side. Flying debris could still cause windows to break and water to get in. The work may be simple, but even with busy rain seasons roofers and others hardly make it out within a few months in many areas. Even in disaster zones, take the deposit and pray to hear back. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:14:12 AM EDT
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Nice job building these 2 house.
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:17:19 AM EDT
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I hope he gets an insurance discount for building his home that way. Every home that's rebuilt needs to be built like that. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:20:02 AM EDT
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A guy out here on Pensacola Beach did a “hurricane proof” house. Actually had a news crew brave/stupid enough to stay in the house with him as he rode out Hurricane Ivan. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310516/A0009CE2-DB35-47A0-8A08-7CE3F52E2267_jpeg-705860.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310516/9734FC05-77C3-4A79-B274-878472BCEAE7_jpeg-705861.JPG Some slight water intrusion at a door was about all the damage the main living area incurred, IIRC. 
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:20:16 AM EDT
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Exactly. We didn't know about the strength and structure benefits to concrete 50 years ago. And there were no such things as hurricane back then either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You mean the hangars that were built 50 years ago? You serious, Clark? |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:22:20 AM EDT
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Climate change and stronger stroms.... blah blah.
Total BS. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:26:21 AM EDT
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Why is his deck so narrow? You cant even stretch your legs out on that thing. Hardly even get past the chair |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:26:56 AM EDT
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King said he believes climate change is a major factor causing the increasingly destructive storms that will make it harder to live near the coasts in future decades.
'I believe the planet’s getting warmer and the storms are getting stronger,' said King. 'We didn’t used to have storms like this. So people who live on the coast have to be ready for it.' |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:35:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The point was pretty clear. We need more government regulation (which Arf is supposed to hate) because the same people get their houses destroyed every time a storm hits (which is just a retarded lie). My Mom and Aunt were both widowed in their 40s. They live together in a house that's of good quality (slab, brick, shingle) and has been paid off for years. It's insured by State Farm. They both worked careers (school admin and nurse) and then retired. They've never taken a dime of public assistance. They don't live on the beach or anywhere near it, really. They live in a nice quiet residential neighborhood that's full of Air Force families from Tyndall. Last week for the very first time in their lives their house was rendered uninhabitable because a hurricane ripped off their roof and then, to add insult to injury, blew the massive sycamore tree in the back yard onto the house. They're staying with family in Alabama. No one knows when (or if) they'll be able to return home. Their world has been completely turned upside down through no fault of their own. But, obviously, the real victim in this story is you. And now the reality is they will need some sort of gov assistance to be made close to "whole". If not - good for them. If they DO need gov assistance - like in all other cases, do you think the people (all of "us") who cut those checks, should have any say in how our money is spent, or the terms on which we lend money |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:40:25 AM EDT
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Exactly. We didn't know about the strength and structure benefits to concrete 50 years ago. And there were no such things as hurricane back then either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You mean the hangars that were built 50 years ago? |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:40:37 AM EDT
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King said he believes climate change is a major factor causing the increasingly destructive storms that will make it harder to live near the coasts in future decades. 'I believe the planet's getting warmer and the storms are getting stronger,' said King. 'We didn't used to have storms like this. So people who live on the coast have to be ready for it.' |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:48:14 AM EDT
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You mean the hangars that were built 50 years ago? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He should teach the Air Force to build hangars...
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:50:01 AM EDT
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Damn, spend all that money on the house and don't build a deck big enough to walk past a chair. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 7:55:46 AM EDT
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I suspect that between the overhead in hurricane-proofing the house during construction, and the cost of repairing the damage the house did sustain from Michael, the stick-shanty builders are probably coming out ahead. The value in the property down there isn't in the structures. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:01:50 AM EDT
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Looters will take care of it now.
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:02:29 AM EDT
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My mother and Aunt live together in Panama City. Mom is 70 and Aunt is 84. This is the first time either has had a hurricane damage their house. In other words, the same people don't get their shit caved in over and over again. But, hey, you keep looking down your nose and wagging your finger at people that lost everything big man. You're flat out wrong in your 'shit caving' theory. There are numerous instances of areas that have been hit by multiple hurricanes. Galveston, TX comes to mind. It was hit in 1980 by Danielle, 1983 by Alicia, 1989 by Jerry, 2005 by Rita, 2007 by Humberto, 2008 by Gustav and Ike, and 2017 by Harvey. The Panama City/Mexico Beach area has been hit in 1953 by Florence, 1966 by Alma, 1985 by Kate, and 1998 by Earl. I don't have a problem with helping people rebuild...but if they're on a barrier island or on the beach the building codes need to be strengthened. The building code in Panama City as they've been until recently - had shelters that needed to be evacuated because they were only built to withstand 120 mph winds. But, hey, you feel free to spew your bullshit about something you obviously have little if any knowledge about and insult someone for advocating for safer building codes for hurricane prone areas. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:06:01 AM EDT
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This is the first one to hit that area, ever. Or for as long as they've been keeping records, anyway. Saying Mexico Beach was eventually bound to be hit by a Cat 4 is like saying the Earth's gonna get hit by an asteroid. It is... the question is when. A lot of folks built their homes down there, retired and lived a happy beach life until they died. The people who just lost everything down there were playing the odds - just like everybody else who owns beachfront property - and this time they lost. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:19:47 AM EDT
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A guy out here on Pensacola Beach did a “hurricane proof” house. Actually had a news crew brave/stupid enough to stay in the house with him as he rode out Hurricane Ivan. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310516/A0009CE2-DB35-47A0-8A08-7CE3F52E2267_jpeg-705860.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310516/9734FC05-77C3-4A79-B274-878472BCEAE7_jpeg-705861.JPG Some slight water intrusion at a door was about all the damage the main living area incurred, IIRC. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:25:01 AM EDT
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I don’t know if I want to be the house standing. If my neighborhood is completely destroyed , take my home with it cause the property value will plummet |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:32:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. It’s extraordinarily expensive and if implemented—like they did in south Florida after Andrew—it will end up in a barren coast. People will not be able to afford to rebuild. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:35:37 AM EDT
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I was thinking the same thing. I'm not seeing any monetary return on the investment. Would be cheaper to rebuild most likely. I can appreciate the effort, but not sure I'd do it the same way. If you are going to live on the beach in an area prone to hurricanes, make the structure part the disposable aspect of th investment....and keep things that can't be replaced at another site. Seems like that would be the wiser investment. To me anyway. To the people who talk about diminished property values - of course, because we build more land in the USA daily, and especially beach front property. (In other words, beachfront property values may DIP, but mostly trend upwards until there is no more beach due to massive erosion). |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:38:29 AM EDT
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I don’t know if I want to be the house standing. If my neighborhood is completely destroyed , take my home with it cause the property value will plummet |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:41:53 AM EDT
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I hope he gets an insurance discount for building his home that way. Every home that's rebuilt needs to be built like that. In MAGA, houses should smile at hurricanes. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:44:27 AM EDT
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Winning!
The county will probably tell him he has to tear it down anyways. Compromised something or other. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:45:42 AM EDT
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A beach house plan of more recent times has the expectation that the first floor will be blown out while maintaining structural integrity. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:48:25 AM EDT
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A guy out here on Pensacola Beach did a “hurricane proof” house. Actually had a news crew brave/stupid enough to stay in the house with him as he rode out Hurricane Ivan. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310516/A0009CE2-DB35-47A0-8A08-7CE3F52E2267_jpeg-705860.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310516/9734FC05-77C3-4A79-B274-878472BCEAE7_jpeg-705861.JPG Some slight water intrusion at a door was about all the damage the main living area incurred, IIRC. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:48:28 AM EDT
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"We didn't used to have storms like this..."
Global warming, blah blah blah. Sure asshole, the gulf coast has never seen hurricanes. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:48:51 AM EDT
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Where do you guys get this shit. The Panama City/Mexico Beach area has been lucky since 1998, but there is a litany of hurricanes that have hit that area over the years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the first one to hit that area, ever. Or for as long as they've been keeping records, anyway. Saying Mexico Beach was eventually bound to be hit by a Cat 4 is like saying the Earth's gonna get hit by an asteroid. It is... the question is when. A lot of folks built their homes down there, retired and lived a happy beach life until they died. The people who just lost everything down there were playing the odds - just like everybody else who owns beachfront property - and this time they lost. The woefully inadequate and misleading Saffir-Simpson scale needs to be revisited. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:53:40 AM EDT
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I was thinking the same thing. I'm not seeing any monetary return on the investment. Would be cheaper to rebuild most likely. I can appreciate the effort, but not sure I'd do it the same way. If you are going to live on the beach in an area prone to hurricanes, make the structure part the disposable aspect of th investment....and keep things that can't be replaced at another site. Seems like that would be the wiser investment. To me anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I suspect that between the overhead in hurricane-proofing the house during construction, and the cost of repairing the damage the house did sustain from Michael, the stick-shanty builders are probably coming out ahead. The value in the property down there isn't in the structures.
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:57:46 AM EDT
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Smart guy. Anyone who builds wood on the coast is a fool.
House I'm planning to build in ~3 years will be ICF, and I'm not even on the coast. Planning on doing 8" walls and a standing seam roof. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 8:58:35 AM EDT
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Childs play.
Heres a dude from my home town. House is basically poured concrete and storm windows. https://homesoftherich.net/2008/10/hutchinson-island-mega-mansion/ Other than flooding the place is a 50,000 sq ft bunker. 
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:04:10 AM EDT
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I don’t know if I want to be the house standing. If my neighborhood is completely destroyed , take my home with it cause the property value will plummet |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:05:36 AM EDT
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I'm with you, brother. We're going to have to mandate much more robust structures along the coasts. This country can't just keep paying people to rebuild their homes that will be destroyed by the next storm. 
Or if we do have to bail them out we should take the property under eminent domain so they can't build there again - they can all take their checks & build new houses somewhere else... |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:09:59 AM EDT
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So it's built up to New Florida keys building code?
Cool. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:11:13 AM EDT
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Childs play. Heres a dude from my home town. House is basically poured concrete and storm windows. https://homesoftherich.net/2008/10/hutchinson-island-mega-mansion/ Other than flooding the place is a 50,000 sq ft bunker. https://homesoftherichest.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/roberteustace.jpg?w=300 |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:11:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The point was pretty clear. We need more government regulation (which Arf is supposed to hate) because the same people get their houses destroyed every time a storm hits (which is just a retarded lie). My Mom and Aunt were both widowed in their 40s. They live together in a house that's of good quality (slab, brick, shingle) and has been paid off for years. It's insured by State Farm. They both worked careers (school admin and nurse) and then retired. They've never taken a dime of public assistance. They don't live on the beach or anywhere near it, really. They live in a nice quiet residential neighborhood that's full of Air Force families from Tyndall. Last week for the very first time in their lives their house was rendered uninhabitable because a hurricane ripped off their roof and then, to add insult to injury, blew the massive sycamore tree in the back yard onto the house. They're staying with family in Alabama. No one knows when (or if) they'll be able to return home. Their world has been completely turned upside down through no fault of their own. But, obviously, the real victim in this story is you. We want less government - meaning we don't have to pay these people for their bad decisions - if you choose to build on the beach then that's on you. And if we do have to reimburse you for your loss, then we should get the land in return so we don't have to do it again next time... |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:11:45 AM EDT
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This is where they built their houses - FEMA shouldn't be paying them shit since they knew the risks; https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/15/12/5056130-6275177-image-a-8_1539604766456.jpg Or if we do have to bail them out we should take the property under eminent domain so they can't build there again - they can all take their checks & build new houses somewhere else... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm with you, brother. We're going to have to mandate much more robust structures along the coasts. This country can't just keep paying people to rebuild their homes that will be destroyed by the next storm. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/15/12/5056130-6275177-image-a-8_1539604766456.jpg Or if we do have to bail them out we should take the property under eminent domain so they can't build there again - they can all take their checks & build new houses somewhere else... |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:13:53 AM EDT
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This is where they built their houses - FEMA shouldn't be paying them shit since they knew the risks; https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/15/12/5056130-6275177-image-a-8_1539604766456.jpg Or if we do have to bail them out we should take the property under eminent domain so they can't build there again - they can all take their checks & build new houses somewhere else... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm with you, brother. We're going to have to mandate much more robust structures along the coasts. This country can't just keep paying people to rebuild their homes that will be destroyed by the next storm. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/15/12/5056130-6275177-image-a-8_1539604766456.jpg Or if we do have to bail them out we should take the property under eminent domain so they can't build there again - they can all take their checks & build new houses somewhere else... NY solutions...
Or we just change / enforce building codes and prosecute municipalities that let them slip for political reasons. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:15:31 AM EDT
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King said he believes climate change is a major factor causing the increasingly destructive storms that will make it harder to live near the coasts in future decades. 'I believe the planet’s getting warmer and the storms are getting stronger,' said King. 'We didn’t used to have storms like this. So people who live on the coast have to be ready for it.' Long Island was getting hit harder with hurricanes & blizzards in the 70's/80's then it does now... |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:16:14 AM EDT
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Often stilt houses like that are designed for the ground floor to be sacrificial. Rather than resist the storm surge they are intended to allow water to flow through once their partitions fail. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:17:09 AM EDT
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A beach house plan of more recent times has the expectation that the first floor will be blown out while maintaining structural integrity. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:19:49 AM EDT
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I’ve rented a house in the Outer Banks in NC. It had the walls in the tiny first floor made to blow out in a storm. One bolt at the top of the wall and one nail at the bottom. The nail was designed to fail and let the wall pivot. Utilities went up through a central stack. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A beach house plan of more recent times has the expectation that the first floor will be blown out while maintaining structural integrity. And the permitting process is a bitch. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:19:51 AM EDT
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It must have a frame made from pipe and have been designed by a fabricator and not some useless engineer. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 9:20:15 AM EDT
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I'm not looking down my nose or wagging my finger at anybody, Junior. You're flat out wrong in your 'shit caving' theory. There are numerous instances of areas that have been hit by multiple hurricanes. Galveston, TX comes to mind. It was hit in 1980 by Danielle, 1983 by Alicia, 1989 by Jerry, 2005 by Rita, 2007 by Humberto, 2008 by Gustav and Ike, and 2017 by Harvey. The Panama City/Mexico Beach area has been hit in 1953 by Florence, 1966 by Alma, 1985 by Kate, and 1998 by Earl. I don't have a problem with helping people rebuild...but if they're on a barrier island or on the beach the building codes need to be strengthened. The building code in Panama City as they've been until recently - had shelters that needed to be evacuated because they were only built to withstand 120 mph winds. But, hey, you feel free to spew your bullshit about something you obviously have little if any knowledge about and insult someone for advocating for safer building codes for hurricane prone areas. |
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