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Posted: 10/30/2021 9:59:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did edit it, hours ago. Starting is $20 with 0 experience, but sounds like they're bumping it to $24 and 20% across the board. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People will keep showing up to this thread and responding to the OP before they dig through 10 pages, if they ever do.. why not edit it lol? So what is the actual pay scale for your wife's company today? I did edit it, hours ago. Starting is $20 with 0 experience, but sounds like they're bumping it to $24 and 20% across the board. So ... the company based on feedback from GD has decided to raise their wages below par for a starting welder? ALL within the time frame of a single thread?  Does the fleet of company vehicles sound like clown cars or ice cream trucks when they drive around? |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:01:12 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I work almost exclusively in pharma. Safety Manager for a GC that builds clean rooms in both existing facilities and greenfield projects. I have never seen the requirements you mention for construction. Never. Me too in maintenance. Somebodys full o shit |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:02:08 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The last full time welding / fab job I had.. (7 years ago) $46.50 hour 8 hours standard time 2 hours OT every day. Weekends 10 hours OT. holidays double time. 401k match, full medical vision and dental 100% covered. Decent pension. 3 weeks paid vacation a year $400 boots and $1,000 tools per year. (Even with all needed tools and PPE supplied by company) $100 day per diem when traveling. Nice, what were you working on? |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:02:31 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably spread aids into welds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why no painted nails? Customer interaction concerns or chemical issues? Kharn Probably spread aids into welds. Lol |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:02:58 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a welder dumbass. And my "career path" is both early days and weird enough that it isn't much use to compare with others. I'm just a rusty economics geek who is capable of seeing the world around them occasionally. But FWIW: $40/hr, Software Architecture. Before that was a $16/hr effectively-an-apprenticeship. So you're making less than these guys per year. Got it cool. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:03:00 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no $13 an hour starting, it's $20 with 0 experience. Target will make you max 50k a year. These dude are making 82-96k with 5 weeks of vacation time. $20/hr is $41600, there is zero reason to work OT anymore. Killing yourself for a company is never worth it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:03:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @C-4 I made $18/hr building coffins on C shift for morning delivery in 1997-9. My customers never complained.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gas stations are paying $15/hr to do essentially nothing. Unemployment was $18/hr. And you expect qualified folks to take $13? @FLchuck8 Why do you hate capitalism? I made $18/hr building coffins on C shift for morning delivery in 1997-9. My customers never complained. 
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:03:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: mmmmm.... arby's.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's literally $16.50 per hour in Ohio with your cost of living, That's fucking terrible. You can make more than that at Arby's here. If a $35 job in Ohio was transferred to Washington it would become a $70 an hour job. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 arby's. Aka thinly sliced rat. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too in maintenance. Somebodys full o shit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I work almost exclusively in pharma. Safety Manager for a GC that builds clean rooms in both existing facilities and greenfield projects. I have never seen the requirements you mention for construction. Never. Me too in maintenance. Somebodys full o shit Little lies become bigger lies. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:05:30 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How would they know if he was wearing gloves? Gloves that shed material in the product as well. Does the client require welders to not wear gloves? Let's just say on multimillion dollar jobs the priority is not hiding Bobby's fingernails. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:05:46 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aka thinly sliced rat.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:06:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's just say on multimillion dollar jobs the priority is not hiding Bobby's fingernails. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:06:28 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One week a year less vacation is absolutely "way worse." I'd give up a dollar an hour for a week of vacation if those were the two job options given . 5 weeks vs 260 days? do that math again. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:07:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you talking about? Nowhere did I say make them pay for anything. Supply all their shit AND give them a boot voucher. AND. Boots are PPE.... Jesus with how rabid you all are for $200 in boots maybe they can just give a boot allowance and say fuck the raises. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Little lies become bigger lies. damn dude wrong account |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:08:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5 weeks vs 260 days? do that math again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One week a year less vacation is absolutely "way worse." I'd give up a dollar an hour for a week of vacation if those were the two job options given . 5 weeks vs 260 days? do that math again. Your wife's company sucks and needs to pay more. Simple as that. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:09:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice, what were you working on? Multimillion dollar jobs. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:09:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 160 hours is 4 weeks And I believe he said 10hours per pay period, not per week. Ok that's 32.5 days vs 28 or 33 days. He's also making the equivalent of $16.50 in Ohio. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:10:08 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok that's 32.5 days vs 28 or 33 days. He's also making the equivalent of $16.50 in Ohio. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 160 hours is 4 weeks And I believe he said 10hours per pay period, not per week. Ok that's 32.5 days vs 28 or 33 days. He's also making the equivalent of $16.50 in Ohio. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:11:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok that's 32.5 days vs 28 or 33 days. He's also making the equivalent of $16.50 in Ohio. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000  John Hiatt - All The Lilacs In Ohio |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:11:43 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's just say on multimillion dollar jobs the priority is not hiding Bobby's fingernails. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How would they know if he was wearing gloves? Gloves that shed material in the product as well. Does the client require welders to not wear gloves? Let's just say on multimillion dollar jobs the priority is not hiding Bobby's fingernails. You don't even know the nomenclature of the industry in question how do you have any idea what the priorities are? As a wise journeyman once told me, never put your initials on your stuff. They can't layoff the guy who forgot his crescent wrench if they can't find out who it was. 
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:11:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's just say on multimillion dollar jobs the priority is not hiding Bobby's fingernails. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How would they know if he was wearing gloves? Gloves that shed material in the product as well. Does the client require welders to not wear gloves? Let's just say on multimillion dollar jobs the priority is not hiding Bobby's fingernails. As I stated earlier on this page. I work almost exclusively in pharma. I have NEVER seen the requirements you have mentioned for construction. Never. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:12:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't live in Seattle  Forget it; he's rollin. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:12:13 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good welder makes way more than that. A private ship welder here is going to cost you $100 an hour. This. Basic welders are getting 50hr and have jobs waiting for months… |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:13:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You keep talking like a company that supplies it's own job materials is some sort of benefit to the worker. Read your own first post. It wasn't appealing to the worker and was so poorly written everyone thinks you are paying $13.00/hr now instead of $20.00. I never considered starting wages seriously because I never in my life made them for more than month or 2. Starting wage too me is not important, if you're good you won't be starting for long. Max wage is always what I worried about. So sorry for confusing everyone with a 10 year old story to prove they don't pay based on seniority. Obviously it's GD and you post anything long or short, detailed or not and it will look like 3,000 different posts are being responded to. Someone worried about starting wage to me doesn't expect much out of themselves. Every great employee I ever interviewed in my job asked one question. How much can I make when I'm good at the job. I guess the commies here want a guaranteed minimum for being to shit at work. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:13:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Holy Hell this thread has gone sideways . Yet OP keeps doubling down .
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:13:39 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Multimillion dollar jobs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nice, what were you working on? Multimillion dollar jobs. Jobs so big even the fire watches drive brodozers. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:14:12 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy Hell this thread has gone sideways . Yet OP keeps doubling down .  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:16:38 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy Hell this thread has gone sideways . Yet OP keeps doubling down . Here is to hoping OP posts this sweet job ad, so we all get a chance at living that big pharma dream. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:16:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. According to op there’s only firing your employees or telling the customer to fuck off. None of that middle-of-the-road stuff here. Also, apparently he and the wife are perfect for each other. It's not my company, not my say. I imagine you have 0.000% dealing with any type of job that 200 people's families rely on for survival. Because you don't go and work for 6 months to get a 10 million dollar job and then said thanks for the job mr customer, let's get down to business. Bobby over there likes to paint his nails. We notice the government and yourself say that's not allowed here. So we need to make a plan to keep Bobby working. Can you tell the government to fuck off? No? Ok bye Bobby. What kind of woke bullshit are you on. If you had any experience working any industrial job you wouldn't ask such a silly question. It only shows your lack of knowledge. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:17:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Rate too low, yearly equiptment allowance isn't even close to being 5 miles from the ballpark let alone in it.
If you offered me $35 an hour for just labor on bench work with zero material costs in my own shop. Id literally laugh out loud and ask if you were serious. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:18:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like you have it all figured out. Not sure why you need anyone. Spots should all be filled. I don't need it figured out. Wife obviously doesn't network with a bunch of tradesmen from similar or other trades. Yes until you voted for Biden because of MUH BUMPSTOCK everything was great. Seeing what is going on out there and showing some gumption and pounding the streets to find out what others are dealing with. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:19:59 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not my company, not my say. I imagine you have 0.000% dealing with any type of job that 200 people's families rely on for survival. Because you don't go and work for 6 months to get a 10 million dollar job and then said thanks for the job mr customer, let's get down to business. Bobby over there likes to paint his nails. We notice the government and yourself say that's not allowed here. So we need to make a plan to keep Bobby working. Can you tell the government to fuck off? No? Ok bye Bobby. What kind of woke bullshit are you on. If you had any experience working any industrial job you wouldn't ask such a silly question. It only shows your lack of knowledge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope. According to op there's only firing your employees or telling the customer to fuck off. None of that middle-of-the-road stuff here. Also, apparently he and the wife are perfect for each other. It's not my company, not my say. I imagine you have 0.000% dealing with any type of job that 200 people's families rely on for survival. Because you don't go and work for 6 months to get a 10 million dollar job and then said thanks for the job mr customer, let's get down to business. Bobby over there likes to paint his nails. We notice the government and yourself say that's not allowed here. So we need to make a plan to keep Bobby working. Can you tell the government to fuck off? No? Ok bye Bobby. What kind of woke bullshit are you on. If you had any experience working any industrial job you wouldn't ask such a silly question. It only shows your lack of knowledge. Please OP provide the government reference to their ban on men wearing nail polish on job sites. Please. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:20:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not my company, not my say. I imagine you have 0.000% dealing with any type of job that 200 people's families rely on for survival. Because you don't go and work for 6 months to get a 10 million dollar job and then said thanks for the job mr customer, let's get down to business. Bobby over there likes to paint his nails. We notice the government and yourself say that's not allowed here. So we need to make a plan to keep Bobby working. Can you tell the government to fuck off? No? Ok bye Bobby. What kind of woke bullshit are you on. If you had any experience working any industrial job you wouldn't ask such a silly question. It only shows your lack of knowledge. Weird… because at least two people in this very thread that work in the same industry say that policy is bullshit…. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:21:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't need it figured out. Wife obviously doesn't network with a bunch of tradesmen from similar or other trades. Yes until you voted for Biden because of MUH BUMPSTOCK everything was great. Seeing what is going on out there and showing some gumption and pounding the streets to find out what others are dealing with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like you have it all figured out. Not sure why you need anyone. Spots should all be filled. I don't need it figured out. Wife obviously doesn't network with a bunch of tradesmen from similar or other trades. Yes until you voted for Biden because of MUH BUMPSTOCK everything was great. Seeing what is going on out there and showing some gumption and pounding the streets to find out what others are dealing with. Pics of wife to see if we should include her in the network? |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:21:24 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet I still make far more in pay and benefits. Your "wife's" company's sounds like hell.  Your pay in WA = 16.50 in OH. You don't even make more than someone starting out with 0 experience here at $20. You have 4.5 extra vacation days if you earn them and Jay Inslee doesn't shut your company down for Covid. I think most guys would take a starting wage $3.50 more per hour and 4 weeks of vacation over 16.50 and 32.5 possible days. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:23:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your pay in WA = 16.50 in OH. You don't even make more than someone starting out with 0 experience here at $20. You have 4.5 extra vacation days if you earn them and Jay Inslee doesn't shut your company down for Covid. I think most guys would take a starting wage $3.50 more per hour and 4 weeks of vacation over 16.50 and 32.5 possible days. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And yet I still make far more in pay and benefits. Your "wife's" company's sounds like hell. Your pay in WA = 16.50 in OH. You don't even make more than someone starting out with 0 experience here at $20. You have 4.5 extra vacation days if you earn them and Jay Inslee doesn't shut your company down for Covid. I think most guys would take a starting wage $3.50 more per hour and 4 weeks of vacation over 16.50 and 32.5 possible days. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:23:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I work almost exclusively in pharma. Safety Manager for a GC that builds clean rooms in both existing facilities and greenfield projects. I have never seen the requirements you mention for construction. Never. You build clean rooms and leave? You're not working anywhere in Pharma with something that can fall into product in a live production facility. I'm assuming you build off site and fully assemble and leave. Are you working in areas with current production running? |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:25:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $35/hr is NOT $82-$96k/yr... At 2280 hours it is. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:25:41 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't have the heart to tell him that I make more than $35 an hour...but in all honestly I am underpaid for my profession and years of experience. That by the average salary for my situation, I should be making more, but for a bunch of small reasons about my company that I like, I am ok with it. I am afraid he will stroke out. There's this thing called overtime that you salaried workers may not be familiar with. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:25:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your pay in WA = 16.50 in OH. You don't even make more than someone starting out with 0 experience here at $20. You have 4.5 extra vacation days if you earn them and Jay Inslee doesn't shut your company down for Covid. I think most guys would take a starting wage $3.50 more per hour and 4 weeks of vacation over 16.50 and 32.5 possible days. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And yet I still make far more in pay and benefits. Your "wife's" company's sounds like hell. Your pay in WA = 16.50 in OH. You don't even make more than someone starting out with 0 experience here at $20. You have 4.5 extra vacation days if you earn them and Jay Inslee doesn't shut your company down for Covid. I think most guys would take a starting wage $3.50 more per hour and 4 weeks of vacation over 16.50 and 32.5 possible days. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/seattle-wa/30000 Yeah .. so many tradesmen are probably living in Seattle proper. Maybe look at the bedroom communities like Tacoma. Do you think the tradesmen in NYC live in downtown Manhattan as well? Don't be obtuse OP. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/columbus-oh/tacoma-wa/30000 |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:26:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You build clean rooms and leave? You're not working anywhere in Pharma with something that can fall into product in a live production facility. I'm assuming you build off site and fully assemble and leave. Are you working in areas with current production running? You like arguing with people who actually do the work you think you know about. But please continue, it’s fun to watch. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:27:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $20/hr for a welder still won't get one, not even in my area. And we save money by shacking up with cousins. If the $100 a year is only meant to cover boots, then that was thought up by somebody who has never spent 8hrs or more a day in a pair of work boots. I know that people that build things are in a lower social-economic class than office people but shit, we still like to go home not all crippled up at the end of the day. Well boot allowance seems near and dear to everyones hearts. I'm definitely telling wifey to up that shit since it seems to have huge importance. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:28:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too in maintenance. Somebodys full o shit It's not me. They tried everything to keep this dude. Customer told him not to come back with it and he put his 2 weeks in. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:29:41 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $20/hr is $41600, there is zero reason to work OT anymore. Killing yourself for a company is never worth it. 35/hr with OT is 96k. Some are motivated and will work 200 extra hours per year to make 70k go to 96k. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:29:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well boot allowance seems near and dear to everyones hearts. I'm definitely telling wifey to up that shit since it seems to have huge importance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $20/hr for a welder still won't get one, not even in my area. And we save money by shacking up with cousins. If the $100 a year is only meant to cover boots, then that was thought up by somebody who has never spent 8hrs or more a day in a pair of work boots. I know that people that build things are in a lower social-economic class than office people but shit, we still like to go home not all crippled up at the end of the day. Well boot allowance seems near and dear to everyones hearts. I'm definitely telling wifey to up that shit since it seems to have huge importance. I have realized after 10 pages that we have been doing things all wrong. I am going to see if one of our HR ladies or maybe one of the admin folks can ask their significant other to poll their internet friends on our wages and benefits to ensure we are fairly compensated and remain competitive in the market place. I have FULL FAITH based on the references provided in this thread their input will be implemented by upper management as swiftly as yours has. ETA: You have basically crowd sourced the entire benefits career field in HR.  |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:29:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's this thing called overtime that you salaried workers may not be familiar with. It means they are working more hours, for less money.Guy, you asked. The bottom line is that this company is having problems with new hires, because they aren't offering enough compensation. Do what that information whatever you want. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:31:30 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At 2280 hours it is. Yeah but who putting in 200 hrs of OT a year anymore. Get your fucking expenses under control and go fishing. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:32:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well boot allowance seems near and dear to everyones hearts. I'm definitely telling wifey to up that shit since it seems to have huge importance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $20/hr for a welder still won't get one, not even in my area. And we save money by shacking up with cousins. If the $100 a year is only meant to cover boots, then that was thought up by somebody who has never spent 8hrs or more a day in a pair of work boots. I know that people that build things are in a lower social-economic class than office people but shit, we still like to go home not all crippled up at the end of the day. Well boot allowance seems near and dear to everyones hearts. I'm definitely telling wifey to up that shit since it seems to have huge importance. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:32:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 35/hr with OT is 96k. Some are motivated and will work 200 extra hours per year to make 70k go to 96k. Nobody under 50 works OT. It's not a thing. |
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