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Posted: 4/5/2021 3:05:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Cant go wrong with any of them IMO. One thing to note is the S Hogster has a slightly bigger display than the other options. (1280x960 vs 1024x768)
That said, I think the S Hogster also has the highest mag of the options, so even with the bigger display it might not be the best choice. The regular Hogster doesnt have video recording which the AGm units do (As does the S Hogster). So, its really down to you. All will be a good tool. Its a matter of deciding what mag you want and if video recording is important. I run the S Hogster and am happy with it, although I am thinking of getting another unit with lower base mag to be more useable closer in. May be worth spending some time in the Night Vision sub as well |
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Posted: 4/5/2021 3:18:16 PM EDT
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I bought a Hogster 35. 6 months later the Super Hogster comes out. Just my luck. I like my Hogster for the price. I would have gotten the Super.
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Posted: 4/5/2021 3:18:50 PM EDT
[#3]
Id roll hogster
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Posted: 4/5/2021 3:33:28 PM EDT
[#4]
The super hogster is worth the premium? And the rattler just doesn't compare? Inside 200 yards I'm good either way, just want to know why I'll spend the extra 5-600. And why the rattler is last picked. I obviously don't have a favorite.
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Posted: 4/5/2021 3:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The super hogster is worth the premium? And the rattler just doesn't compare? Inside 200 yards I'm good either way, just want to know why I'll spend the extra 5-600. And why the rattler is last picked. I obviously don't have a favorite. |
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Posted: 4/5/2021 3:54:39 PM EDT
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I'm really enjoying my Hogster r35 and think it is an incredible value. I personally got the r35 over the Superhogster for the better field of view and lower magnification for shooting rats in the barn all the way to coyotes and bigger stuff at 300-400 yards.
A big plus with the Hogster ( not sure about the rattler) is I have a picatinny mounted cell phone battery pack that I run a short cable to the scope, allowing me to leave the unit on all night. No worries about buying the expensive surefire batteries and the cell phone pack can be recharged with any usb device. *Edited to add that I got mine from Night Goggles Inc. for a great price. |
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Posted: 4/5/2021 4:11:36 PM EDT
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I have a rattler 25 and have nothing but good things to say about it. It comes with a nice ADM mount, and video recording, which kicks the regular hogster’s butts dollar for feature. I can’t really see the reason to spend more for any model of hogster over a rattler.
ETA: not only can you run a battery pack on the rattler, the connector is USB-C which is more durable than mini usb and can be inserted either direction. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 6:03:37 AM EDT
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Bump.
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Posted: 4/6/2021 6:37:13 AM EDT
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I just got a hogster 25. Wow is all I can say. I live on 40 acres surrounded by a few hundred conservation land (open prairie mixed woods). My pvs 14 works great (and even sightmark wrath) , but with this I could see animals a few hundred yards out. They just popped out.
Scanning I could see even rabbits at 100 yds After seeing that taliban sniper vid I had to have one ASAP just incase. Just like nvg’s and suppressors...this is a force multiplier |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 6:44:45 AM EDT
[#10]
I have the same question I'm debating in my head. Tag.
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Posted: 4/6/2021 7:02:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The super hogster is worth the premium? And the rattler just doesn't compare? Inside 200 yards I'm good either way, just want to know why I'll spend the extra 5-600. And why the rattler is last picked. I obviously don't have a favorite. Using an external dvr and battery pack creates issues with cable management that I find slightly annoying. That said the hogster 35 is an outstanding scope. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 12:54:08 PM EDT
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Think I've decided on the rattler 25 since I can get a better deal on one and something throw in for seemingly no added cost. Any vendors I should beware of? Final thoughts before I drop 2k?
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:02:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:04:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think I've decided on the rattler 25 since I can get a better deal on one and something throw in for seemingly no added cost. Any vendors I should beware of? Final thoughts before I drop 2k? |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:11:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:12:26 PM EDT
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I got a Hogster on the way. I chose it due to it being more recommended.
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:15:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Midway USA has them in stock for $1995. I think thats where I'll buy mine when I save a little more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Think I've decided on the rattler 25 since I can get a better deal on one and something throw in for seemingly no added cost. Any vendors I should beware of? Final thoughts before I drop 2k? another member @HiramRanger (I think) got a quote of $1800 and had it price matched elsewhere (arfcom vendor I think?) , so there are better deals out there if you shop around a bit. Sales tax and customer service factor into where I buy things personally, Midway would charge me WA sales tax. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:36:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: another member @HiramRanger (I think) got a quote of $1800 and had it price matched elsewhere (arfcom vendor I think?) , so there are better deals out there if you shop around a bit. Sales tax and customer service factor into where I buy things personally, Midway would charge me WA sales tax. Register with HCC Tactical and you'll get a 10% off coupon code, brought it down to $1,800. Right now it is an issue of who has them in stock and how fast you want it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:42:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:44:27 PM EDT
[#21]
Nox 35mm master race!
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Posted: 4/6/2021 1:45:14 PM EDT
[#22]
Any reason not to deal with nightvisionguys dot com?
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Posted: 4/6/2021 3:42:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any reason not to deal with nightvisionguys dot com? NO, do it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 7:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NO, do it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any reason not to deal with nightvisionguys dot com? NO, do it. That’s who I got mine from |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 2:54:23 AM EDT
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I had the ts25 rattler for a week. Took it hunting once and played with it a few times prior. Batteries lasted about 2-2.5hrs. Image was great. Sighted in pretty easily. Sleep mode stopped working about 2 days in. Selected reticle color disappears after powering off. Color has to be selected again each time it’s powered on. I wasn’t a huge fan of reticle choices. These are fairly new and customer service, while friendly, don’t know much about it. Owners manual sucks but it’s not too hard to figure out. All that being said, My Rattler ts25 is on the way back to the dealer and once received, I’ll be upgrading to the Hogster r35. I’d be going with the super Hogster if it had a lower base magnification. Rattlers are probably gonna be fine but I think they need some more time on the market to get the bugs worked out. Plus the Hogster has an extra year of warranty service.
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Posted: 4/7/2021 3:00:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had the ts25 rattler for a week. Took it hunting once and played with it a few times prior. Batteries lasted about 2-2.5hrs. Image was great. Sighted in pretty easily. Sleep mode stopped working about 2 days in. Selected reticle color disappears after powering off. Color has to be selected again each time it’s powered on. I wasn’t a huge fan of reticle choices. These are fairly new and customer service, while friendly, don’t know much about it. Owners manual sucks but it’s not too hard to figure out. All that being said, My Rattler ts25 is on the way back to the dealer and once received, I’ll be upgrading to the Hogster r35. I’d be going with the super Hogster if it had a lower base magnification. Rattlers are probably gonna be fine but I think they need some more time on the market to get the bugs worked out. Plus the Hogster has an extra year of warranty service. Thanks bud and welcome aboard. I appreciate the insight. |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 5:05:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2021 8:53:42 AM EDT
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Any must have accessories when outfitting a rifle with thermal? Bought a solar powered battery bank and a 3 pack of cables to go with the Agm 25. Trying to think of what else might compliment the weapon.
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Posted: 4/10/2021 9:14:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any must have accessories when outfitting a rifle with thermal? Bought a solar powered battery bank and a 3 pack of cables to go with the Agm 25. Trying to think of what else might compliment the weapon. Do you have a tripod? |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 9:23:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any reason not to deal with nightvisionguys dot com? Better hope you don't need customer service |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 9:54:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any must have accessories when outfitting a rifle with thermal? Bought a solar powered battery bank and a 3 pack of cables to go with the Agm 25. Trying to think of what else might compliment the weapon. Does the AGM have on board recording? If not an external DVR is nice so you can record your hunts. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 10:25:30 AM EDT
[#32]
I'm wanting to get a super hogster pretty soon, due to some of the points already made here
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Posted: 4/10/2021 10:39:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: What's the better buy? This is all new to me but I plan to buy within a day or two. I know there is an Agm rattler 25 and 35, and I think the same for the Bering optics hogster and super hogster. Which should I choose and why? Probably make the plunge tomorrow. Good info here. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 11:23:34 AM EDT
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Anyone have a good recommendation for rechargable cr123 batteries? I have a couple chargers already but no batteries to speak of. I'd also like a solar option to recharge them just in case. Probably USB, mine are currently all 110 v I think.
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Posted: 4/11/2021 11:26:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An external battery pack will save you a ton of money in batteries. TNVC has a good one that comes with a mount. Does the AGM have on board recording? If not an external DVR is nice so you can record your hunts. TNVC battery packs get a ton of bad reviews on the thermal pages I’m on. Apex3d makes a very affordable kit that I’ve been using for 6+ months with no issues |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 11:34:57 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TNVC battery packs get a ton of bad reviews on the thermal pages I'm on. Apex3d makes a very affordable kit that I've been using for 6+ months with no issues Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An external battery pack will save you a ton of money in batteries. TNVC has a good one that comes with a mount. Does the AGM have on board recording? If not an external DVR is nice so you can record your hunts. TNVC battery packs get a ton of bad reviews on the thermal pages I'm on. Apex3d makes a very affordable kit that I've been using for 6+ months with no issues |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 11:57:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Same issue with reticle color on mine, reverts to white/black.
Mine works with usb battery packs and I only keep the cr123s as a backup. It also came with the short single lever adm mount. The manual could use a lot of improvement. The five reticles available are similar but appear to be independently zeroed so effectively 5 rifle profiles. I plan to determine the adjustment units and set a universal mil or moa bdc reticle. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 12:05:02 PM EDT
[#38]
https://thermalopticsplus.com/ has a good battery pack that utilizes anker's.
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Posted: 4/11/2021 12:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have a good recommendation for rechargable cr123 batteries? I have a couple chargers already but no batteries to speak of. I'd also like a solar option to recharge them just in case. Probably USB, mine are currently all 110 v I think. Surefire has rechargeables |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 12:33:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2021 12:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really, What complaints do they get? I haven't had any problems with mine. I’ve seen a couple pictures of broken ones and the price is pretty expensive for what you get. I have no personal experience though so take that with a grain of salt. I was looking for reviews when I got my apex kit and was steered away from it |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 1:00:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Huge fan of the red alert setting on the hogster.
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Posted: 4/11/2021 2:47:27 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Huge fan of the red alert setting on the hogster. Is that like the hotspot detection on the AGM? It puts a marker on the hottest spot in the FOV |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 6:17:17 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same issue with reticle color on mine, reverts to white/black. Mine works with usb battery packs and I only keep the cr123s as a backup. It also came with the short single lever adm mount. The manual could use a lot of improvement. The five reticles available are similar but appear to be independently zeroed so effectively 5 rifle profiles. I plan to determine the adjustment units and set a universal mil or moa bdc reticle. Are you referring to the Rattler? I was not aware that the reticle were independently zeroed. That could cause a real surprise for someone. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 6:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Surefire has rechargeables Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone have a good recommendation for rechargable cr123 batteries? I have a couple chargers already but no batteries to speak of. I'd also like a solar option to recharge them just in case. Probably USB, mine are currently all 110 v I think. Surefire has rechargeables Rechargeables may work but aren't recommended because they can be charged to excess voltage. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 7:02:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rechargeables may work but aren't recommended because they can be charged to excess voltage. I’ll have to check, but I’m pretty sure my charger has a regulator that prevents that and a digital display that tells you what it was charged to in terms of voltage. But now you have me wondering. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 8:03:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that like the hotspot detection on the AGM? It puts a marker on the hottest spot in the FOV Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Huge fan of the red alert setting on the hogster. Is that like the hotspot detection on the AGM? It puts a marker on the hottest spot in the FOV  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 9:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure my charger has a regulator that prevents that and a digital display that tells you what it was charged to in terms of voltage. But now you have me wondering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rechargeables may work but aren't recommended because they can be charged to excess voltage. I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure my charger has a regulator that prevents that and a digital display that tells you what it was charged to in terms of voltage. But now you have me wondering. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 9:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A CR123 is a 3.0 volt nominal, while a rechargeable lithium ion 16350 is 3.7 volts nominal, and stops charging at 4.2 volts. It's common to fry electronics when trying to drop in a rechargeable CR123. I've burned up flashlight bulbs doing that (I knew I was overdriving but meh, wasnt too concerned). The Hogsters can be set for RCR123s (3.7V) in the menu settings. I dont have the gusto to drop rechargeables into my NVDs though. They get the standard 3V CR123.....Or AA. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 9:47:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A CR123 is a 3.0 volt nominal, while a rechargeable lithium ion 16350 is 3.7 volts nominal, and stops charging at 4.2 volts. It's common to fry electronics when trying to drop in a rechargeable CR123. The Rattler has a setting for 3.7V, and if you drop in a pair on power-up it prompts you to switch settings with a confirmation click. My charger from what I recall allows you to cap the voltage and displays what it is charged at as confirmation. My charger These are the batteries I use |
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